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How would/will you vote in a referendum?
Keep the law as it stands. 20%  20%  [ 32 ]
Repeal the 8th. 80%  80%  [ 125 ]
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Who the fúck are the Iona institute anyway? They seem to always pop up in these discussions, but who do they actually represent?


Catholic think tank

https://ionainstitute.ie/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iona_Institute


I should add that they claim not to be specifically catholic.

They are also a Ltd company Lolek Ltd 'The meaning of the name Lolek is Free Man. The origin of the name Lolek is Polish. This is the culture in which the name originated, or in the case of a word, the language.

Polish form of Karol (Charles) used by Pope John Paul II.'


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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I still think it's weird how much airtime they get given how few people actually belong to it.


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I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.


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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


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The directors are listed as Sean & Tom Ascough

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/ ... tee-424940

anyone interested can check out more about these guys here

http://ionawatch.tumblr.com/post/736465 ... f-the-iona


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I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.



I get the feeling this is the way its going to go.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


My point was that he gave a religious argument that it doesn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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CM11 wrote:
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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


My point was that he gave a religious argument that it doesn't.


Does anyone seriously still listen to what these guys say


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


An Irish Bishop...!! As much as any man on past experience.


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


An Irish Bishop...!! As much as any man on past experience.

How's the son?


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


My point was that he gave a religious argument that it doesn't.


Does anyone seriously still listen to what these guys say


Well, I'm hoping some on the no side are!

I mentioned it in the context of religious nutters like the Iona institute being so vehemently on the no side, presuming they're backed by their religion.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Duff Paddy wrote:
I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.


i've been pretty sure of the same from the outset - there's a lot of undecideds out there that will swing towards keeping things as they are especially when they look at some of the No posters out there. I'll vote yes but think the way the vote has been set up is almost doomed to failure. Should have aimed lower and guarantee that we're not left with the clusterfcuk we currently find ourselves in.


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I still think it's weird how much airtime they get given how few people actually belong to it.


yup - David Quinn's got his own column in the Sunday Times for a while now also


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Duff Paddy wrote:
I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.



I get the feeling this is the way its going to go.


Yep, I think old Ireland is alive and well and will be out in force. I think the referendum may have won if they had just brought in a very limited proposal at first for the hard cases and then expanded it after.


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.



I get the feeling this is the way its going to go.


Yep, I think old Ireland is alive and well and will be out in force. I think the referendum may have won if they had just brought in a very limited proposal at first for the hard cases and then expanded it after.


agree


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


My point was that he gave a religious argument that it doesn't.


Does anyone seriously still listen to what these guys say

Irish Roman Catholics, I'd have thought.


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Todays IT survey is 58:42 for repeal when the undecideds are excluded. That's a 16 point difference with a week to go.

I don't think there has ever been that sort of swing in such a short time in any contentious referendum here before.


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Todays IT survey is 58:42 for repeal when the undecideds are excluded. That's a 16 point difference with a week to go.

I don't think there has ever been that sort of swing in such a short time in any contentious referendum here before.


I'm not getting involved in the debate but yes is 1/3 with PP. It's done.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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Duff Paddy wrote:
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I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.



I get the feeling this is the way its going to go.


Yep, I think old Ireland is alive and well and will be out in force. I think the referendum may have won if they had just brought in a very limited proposal at first for the hard cases and then expanded it after.


I feel that the No might win, I think living in a big city with a liberal, young bunch of friends has insulated me abit. My missus is a stone cold No with no discussion but she can't vote and her arguments are religious based, but the rest of the people I know (family included are yes). But, then again, the marriage referendum was a complete landslide.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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And if it's a No will the government fall? I hope whatever the outcome we don't see the nasty backbiting we saw over in the UK following Brexit, idiots talking about a re-referendum.

EDIT: I'd say it would be best to stop, reflect, give it a few more years and get the campaign up again.


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 Post subject: Re: Repealing the 8th
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james garner wrote:
The directors are listed as Sean & Tom Ascough

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/ ... tee-424940

anyone interested can check out more about these guys here

http://ionawatch.tumblr.com/post/736465 ... f-the-iona


You know they're good when people start playing them rather than the ball


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Bullettyme wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
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I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.



I get the feeling this is the way its going to go.


Yep, I think old Ireland is alive and well and will be out in force. I think the referendum may have won if they had just brought in a very limited proposal at first for the hard cases and then expanded it after.


I feel that the No might win, I think living in a big city with a liberal, young bunch of friends has insulated me abit. My missus is a stone cold No with no discussion but she can't vote and her arguments are religious based, but the rest of the people I know (family included are yes). But, then again, the marriage referendum was a complete landslide.


Thing is, in the marriage referendum, pretty much all voters under the age of what, 35?, voted in favour. With this, the younger "liberal" vote is more split. Can't just rely on the young vote winning through sheer numbers.


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True, although I'm sure there were quite a few young people opposed to the marriage referendum repealing the 8th is a whole lot more emotive.

I just hope yes mobilise the vote and really get people out there, because you know the Nos will be out in force/bussed to the stations.


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Think the crucial part of that poll is that it shows most undecideds leading towards yes so with that in mind I just don't see such a dramatic swing in under a week

Same thing about older Ireland showing up was said during the Marriage Ref but that was counteracted by the high youth turnout, which I'd expect again.

I think there'll be about 4 points in it in favour of repeal.


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Duff Paddy wrote:
I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.


It's heading that way alright by the looks of things.


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I’m fairly certain that No will win. If it’s this close in the polls at this stage then the hidden No voters will probably swing it.


It's heading that way alright by the looks of things.



As far as I can tell it would be an unprecedented swing if it was to pass, considering the polls. 11/4 with PP though if you fancy it.

Just want to whole thing to be over with at this stage. Never seen so many posters for any ref/election


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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Interesting to read an argument from a Catholic bishop that life doesn't begin at conception. Will find the link later.


What the fudge would a bishop know about it


My point was that he gave a religious argument that it doesn't.


Does anyone seriously still listen to what these guys say

Irish Roman Catholics, I'd have thought.


Get real cammy


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40% of the population still go to mass every week or summit.


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The directors are listed as Sean & Tom Ascough

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/ ... tee-424940

anyone interested can check out more about these guys here

http://ionawatch.tumblr.com/post/736465 ... f-the-iona


You know they're good when people start playing them rather than the ball


You honestly think they are good? First person I have ever heard say anything positive about them


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Gavin Duffy wrote:
40% of the population still go to mass every week or summit.


Nah


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Duff Paddy wrote:
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40% of the population still go to mass every week or summit.


Nah

Dublin isn't Ireland, laddie.


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Gavin Duffy wrote:
40% of the population still go to mass every week or summit.

:lol:


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Bullettyme wrote:
And if it's a No will the government fall? I hope whatever the outcome we don't see the nasty backbiting we saw over in the UK following Brexit, idiots talking about a re-referendum.

EDIT: I'd say it would be best to stop, reflect, give it a few more years and get the campaign up again.


Not really comparable to Brexit though.

And of course there'll be another one if it fails. Just not instantly.

The number who've said they'd vote no has been pretty consistent across all polls. I'd be surprised at this stage if no won. Yes needs less than a third of undecided. No needs around 70/75% of them.


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I fear No will knick it.


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CM11 wrote:
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And if it's a No will the government fall? I hope whatever the outcome we don't see the nasty backbiting we saw over in the UK following Brexit, idiots talking about a re-referendum.

EDIT: I'd say it would be best to stop, reflect, give it a few more years and get the campaign up again.


Not really comparable to Brexit though.

And of course there'll be another one if it fails. Just not instantly.

The number who've said they'd vote no has been pretty consistent across all polls. I'd be surprised at this stage if no won. Yes needs less than a third of undecided. No needs around 70/75% of them.


I'm not comparing it to brexit, rather the reaction (Trump as well).


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I still think it's weird how much airtime they get given how few people actually belong to it.

They're great at being the default voice of the Irish authoritarian Catholic tradition. RTÉ at al have always rigidly interpreted balanced coverage as equating to 50/50 in terms of airtime.

Its why fringe groups come out of the woodwork to oppose referenda.


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I fear No will knick it.

Think that's pretty certain now from the poll today. Shame on the IT for misrepresenting the result.


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Didn't really happen in marriage equality referendum but in divorce referendum, all the undecideds eventually translated into no votes.


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Didn't really happen in marriage equality referendum but in divorce referendum, all the undecideds eventually translated into no votes.


If the urban young vote are out then it will be about 54 Yes 46 No


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