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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:56 am 
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Could this be the first time in a hundred years that the Spurs do not make the playoffs?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:09 am 
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Could this be the first time in a hundred years that the Spurs do not make the playoffs?


It's possible, but they've got a decent enough draw that they could sneak into 8th. If Kawhi comes back, they should do.

They've already broken another streak of winning road records and look likely to miss winning 50 games for the first time in ages also.


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Actually, that mention of the Spurs - who are, I believe the only team to have won a title with a #1 lottery pick on his rookie contract - got me thinking about the actual likelihood of success via tanking.

Has anyone got any decent examples of a team that got long term success - ie, finals appearances - out of tanking and getting a legacy player from the draft?

I guess Cleveland would fit, even though Lebron was resigned as veteran free agent, but they got Kyrie through the draft also.


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^ the Bulls and Rose would have been a good example, but...

Dwight and the Magic had some success. Durant and the Sonics/Thunder...

What could have been for Charlotte? They were in pole to win the lottery for AD with their historically garbage 7-win season (they got Kemba the year before) but dropped to 2 and ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist


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We only out-clutched by GS, Houston n the Cavs


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:24 pm 
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Mil
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Wiz
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Heat
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GS
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What's your tip?


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^ the Bulls and Rose would have been a good example, but...

Dwight and the Magic had some success. Durant and the Sonics/Thunder...

What could have been for Charlotte? They were in pole to win the lottery for AD with their historically garbage 7-win season (they got Kemba the year before) but dropped to 2 and ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist


I did a quick look at NBA Finals in recent years and - while I've probably missed some - here are the teams that made a finals with a top pick that they drafted. This is going back to the 90's

Orlando with Shaq/Penny & then with Howard
Cleveland with James/Irving
Philadelphia with AI
OKC with Durant
Spurs with Duncan
Miami with Wade (stretching it, but he was a top 5 pick).

So only two teams have actually won with a #1 lottery* pick they drafted. 3 teams had lasting success, 3 and a half if you count OKC making a finals/conf finals. Not exactly a resounding recipe for success but I guess if a team's in a small market it's not got a lot of options for recruitment generally.


*eg, not the old coin flip, so Hakeem with the Rockets doesn't count.


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CrazyIslander wrote:
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No Kyrie, Horford, Smart, Brown... I'll lean Wizards


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vintage_cox wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
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No Kyrie, Horford, Smart, Brown... I'll lean Wizards

:thumbup:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:52 pm 
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
^ the Bulls and Rose would have been a good example, but...

Dwight and the Magic had some success. Durant and the Sonics/Thunder...

What could have been for Charlotte? They were in pole to win the lottery for AD with their historically garbage 7-win season (they got Kemba the year before) but dropped to 2 and ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist


I did a quick look at NBA Finals in recent years and - while I've probably missed some - here are the teams that made a finals with a top pick that they drafted. This is going back to the 90's

Orlando with Shaq/Penny & then with Howard
Cleveland with James/Irving
Philadelphia with AI
OKC with Durant
Spurs with Duncan
Miami with Wade (stretching it, but he was a top 5 pick).

So only two teams have actually won with a #1 lottery* pick they drafted. 3 teams had lasting success, 3 and a half if you count OKC making a finals/conf finals. Not exactly a resounding recipe for success but I guess if a team's in a small market it's not got a lot of options for recruitment generally.


*eg, not the old coin flip, so Hakeem with the Rockets doesn't count.

Melo and the Nuggets were as successful as you could be, playing against Kobe and those Spurs

And there was a season where CP3 should've been MVP in New Orleans. We ran into the Spurs in the playoffs


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:59 pm 
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vintage_cox wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
^ the Bulls and Rose would have been a good example, but...

Dwight and the Magic had some success. Durant and the Sonics/Thunder...

What could have been for Charlotte? They were in pole to win the lottery for AD with their historically garbage 7-win season (they got Kemba the year before) but dropped to 2 and ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist


I did a quick look at NBA Finals in recent years and - while I've probably missed some - here are the teams that made a finals with a top pick that they drafted. This is going back to the 90's

Orlando with Shaq/Penny & then with Howard
Cleveland with James/Irving
Philadelphia with AI
OKC with Durant
Spurs with Duncan
Miami with Wade (stretching it, but he was a top 5 pick).

So only two teams have actually won with a #1 lottery* pick they drafted. 3 teams had lasting success, 3 and a half if you count OKC making a finals/conf finals. Not exactly a resounding recipe for success but I guess if a team's in a small market it's not got a lot of options for recruitment generally.


*eg, not the old coin flip, so Hakeem with the Rockets doesn't count.

Melo and the Nuggets were as successful as you could be, playing against Kobe and those Spurs

And there was a season where CP3 should've been MVP in New Orleans. We ran into the Spurs in the playoffs


Yeah, but that kind of reinforces the point doesn't it, draft picks will only get a team so far without good coaching & recruitment (I guess the Cavs can get away with not having good coaching, tbf).


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:10 am 
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
^ the Bulls and Rose would have been a good example, but...

Dwight and the Magic had some success. Durant and the Sonics/Thunder...

What could have been for Charlotte? They were in pole to win the lottery for AD with their historically garbage 7-win season (they got Kemba the year before) but dropped to 2 and ended up with Michael Kidd-Gilchrist


I did a quick look at NBA Finals in recent years and - while I've probably missed some - here are the teams that made a finals with a top pick that they drafted. This is going back to the 90's

Orlando with Shaq/Penny & then with Howard
Cleveland with James/Irving
Philadelphia with AI
OKC with Durant
Spurs with Duncan
Miami with Wade (stretching it, but he was a top 5 pick).

So only two teams have actually won with a #1 lottery* pick they drafted. 3 teams had lasting success, 3 and a half if you count OKC making a finals/conf finals. Not exactly a resounding recipe for success but I guess if a team's in a small market it's not got a lot of options for recruitment generally.


*eg, not the old coin flip, so Hakeem with the Rockets doesn't count.

Melo and the Nuggets were as successful as you could be, playing against Kobe and those Spurs

And there was a season where CP3 should've been MVP in New Orleans. We ran into the Spurs in the playoffs


Yeah, but that kind of reinforces the point doesn't it, draft picks will only get a team so far without good coaching & recruitment (I guess the Cavs can get away with not having good coaching, tbf).

On the flipside, who has landed a legacy player and failed to find success (yet :blush: )


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:39 am 
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I have a feeling Philly might win a championship with their No1s.


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Marshall Banana wrote:
Damn good rant, FR. :thumbup:


Meanwhile, looks like the Thunder are signing Corey Brewer. :lol: :blush: :((

He's beyond trash.

Melo + Brewer on the same team. x(

Beyond trash!? :shock: Still early days but so far he’s been better than anyone could’ve predicted.


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vintage_cox wrote:
On the flipside, who has landed a legacy player and failed to find success (yet :blush: )


Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy though, if a player doesn't bring some success they're not regarded as a legacy player.

Looking at the list of #1 picks, and discounting Rose & Chris Webber, the most talented player who didn't bring any genuine success would be maybe Yao Ming. I mean, he improved the team but they didn't translate that to meaningful playoff runs.


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CrazyIslander wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
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No Kyrie, Horford, Smart, Brown... I'll lean Wizards

:thumbup:


After double OT and Tatum missing a game winner free throw....the Wiz eventually got there.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
On the flipside, who has landed a legacy player and failed to find success (yet :blush: )


Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy though, if a player doesn't bring some success they're not regarded as a legacy player.

Looking at the list of #1 picks, and discounting Rose & Chris Webber, the most talented player who didn't bring any genuine success would be maybe Yao Ming. I mean, he improved the team but they didn't translate that to meaningful playoff runs.

Yeah but I was talking about guys who were always going to be great, even at the draft they were expected to be franchise foundations like LeBron and AD


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Boil up wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
Damn good rant, FR. :thumbup:


Meanwhile, looks like the Thunder are signing Corey Brewer. :lol: :blush: :((

He's beyond trash.

Melo + Brewer on the same team. x(

Beyond trash!? :shock: Still early days but so far he’s been better than anyone could’ve predicted.


He's making a late push for MVP... :lol:

Dude has been terrific. I'm eating so much crow.


Good win by the Thunder. A well rested Adams is a monster.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:46 am 
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Red alert.

UMBC up on Virginia 29-22 with 17:30 to go in game.

A 16 has never beat a 1.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:02 am 
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Thanks, FR. :thumbup:

Up 16 now...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:03 am 
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Virginia look beyond awful. This is a team that only lost 2 games all year.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:23 am 
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They're done!

17 points down and they are shook! :lol:

holy shit.


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Unbelievable, not just a #1 seed but the overall number one seed..... Kentucky are the winners here, Zona and Virginia would have been their opponents in the next two rounds.


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20.5 point underdogs annihilating the tournament favourites. :lol:

Great stuff!


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Been watching this tournament for almost 30 years, and I wanted to at least be watching the game where a 16 seed finally won. This is one of the last great magical things to happen in sports.


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Don’t usually watch the tournament but had nothing to do and happened to put that game on...wow.

UMBC has some talented players...and a classic nifty Puerto Rican point guard :smug:


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Marshall Banana wrote:
Boil up wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
Damn good rant, FR. :thumbup:


Meanwhile, looks like the Thunder are signing Corey Brewer. :lol: :blush: :((

He's beyond trash.

Melo + Brewer on the same team. x(

Beyond trash!? :shock: Still early days but so far he’s been better than anyone could’ve predicted.


He's making a late push for MVP... :lol:

Dude has been terrific. I'm eating so much crow.


Good win by the Thunder. A well rested Adams is a monster.

:lol: Brewer was a freak tonight, Adams is crazy good too. No one will be looking forward to playing them.


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Pel's schedule this week:

sun - ROCKETS
mon - CELTICS
tue -
wed - MAVS
thu - PACERS
fri - LAKERS
sat -
sun - ROCKETS

:uhoh: the back-to-back-to-back back-breaker





Also, go Jayhawks!


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vintage_cox wrote:
Pel's schedule this week:

sun - ROCKETS
mon - CELTICS
tue -
wed - MAVS
thu - PACERS
fri - LAKERS

sat -
sun - ROCKETS

:uhoh: the back-to-back-to-back back-breaker

Also, go Jayhawks!


I've never heard of an NBA side having 3 games over 3 days. Is this correct?


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Tehui wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
Pel's schedule this week:

sun - ROCKETS
mon - CELTICS
tue -
wed - MAVS
thu - PACERS
fri - LAKERS

sat -
sun - ROCKETS

:uhoh: the back-to-back-to-back back-breaker

Also, go Jayhawks!


I've never heard of an NBA side having 3 games over 3 days. Is this correct?

Yep. The Pacers game was postponed way back, so they decided to slot it in there!

Here's the Pacers' schedule:
Sun - @Wiz
Mon
Tue - Lakers
Wed
Thu - @Pels
Fri
Sat - Clippers
Sun

:roll:


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vintage_cox wrote:
Tehui wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
Pel's schedule this week:

sun - ROCKETS
mon - CELTICS
tue -
wed - MAVS
thu - PACERS
fri - LAKERS

sat -
sun - ROCKETS

:uhoh: the back-to-back-to-back back-breaker

Also, go Jayhawks!


I've never heard of an NBA side having 3 games over 3 days. Is this correct?

Yep. The Pacers game was postponed way back, so they decided to slot it in there!

Here's the Pacers' schedule:
Sun - @Wiz
Mon
Tue - Lakers
Wed
Thu - @Pels
Fri
Sat - Clippers
Sun

:roll:


Unbelievable. The coach surely has to rotate and use the entire squad. It's what Popovich would do.


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JESUSFUCKINGCHRIST WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A FOUL CALL!!!!

You're gonna give 3 shots to harden for that shit and AD gets repeatedly hammered and shoved and NOTHING!!! I hate this game and I quit


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:40 am 
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and now the Rockets talking post game about their great defence

fudge RIGHT OFF

I hope Alvin vents at the presser and takes a fine. No one will blame him

You don't often hear the NOLA crowd booing coz they're usually half on the bandwagon of whoever we're playing, but they were furious


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Proud of you Coach :proud:

https://twitter.com/FOXSportsNOLA/status/975185754606333952

He cops a lot of shit but we're all Team Gentry tonight


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Preach
https://twitter.com/FletcherWDSU/status/975188151391215617

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I needed to hear that. I'll calm down now :lol: :x


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JESUSFUCKINGCHRIST WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A FOUL CALL!!!!

You're gonna give 3 shots to harden for that shit and AD gets repeatedly hammered and shoved and NOTHING!!! I hate this game and I quit


I don't know what play you're talking about, but the inconsistency between big and small men receiving foul calls is probably the most frustrating thing for me to watch as a fan.


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Tehui wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
JESUSFUCKINGCHRIST WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A FOUL CALL!!!!

You're gonna give 3 shots to harden for that shit and AD gets repeatedly hammered and shoved and NOTHING!!! I hate this game and I quit


I don't know what play you're talking about, but the inconsistency between big and small men receiving foul calls is probably the most frustrating thing for me to watch as a fan.

It was the classic feather on the wrist on a 3pt attempt. It was a foul and that's fine if your going to call it. But in the context of the game it was such a bail out call and the last straw

We'd come back from being 20 down, taking it to them in the paint (I think we ended up about 50-38 winners, blocked Harden on 3 drives) and getting nothing from the refs. AD was hot and they started to triple team him with little guys. Eric Gordon blatantly shoved him in the back, Tucker and Ariza were holding him and clearly pulling his jersey. Jrue drives gets bumped, nothing. Refs just let em go, didn't matter we were still closing but it was getting frustrating as fuk. Also doing a relatively good job on Harden (4/13 from deep)

Then he gets the bail out call on another well guarded 3. There was contact but Harden had also been getting his off arm all over his defenders chest to make space throughout the game. Gentry lost it at that call and got T'd (Rondo had gotten one earlier from the bench, he wasn't playing, for calling the refs on their bullshit) Still got to within 4 and then Ian Clark (our guard) gets wiped out (that's the undercut play Gentry was ranting about) and they say no foul, out of bounds, Rockets ball!!! We should have been at the line closing within 2. It was over from there, foul, they shoot 6 pt lead

(edited for being slightly disingenuous ;) )


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It was good from Gentry to put the refs on blast though. This is gonna be a brutal week and if teams are allowed to mug AD like that then this season is over




Edit: Here is the Harden call. If that contact is a foul, fine, but be consistent!!!
https://twitter.com/FearTheBrown/status/975196782396432384


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Glad I got up early to watch this one!

Russ/Adams 2-man game just killed it. Steve with the best offensive game of his career - 2 short of his career high.

Massive win.


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The shit Ibaka was doing to try & keep Adams off the boards was hilarious - that tackle into the padding at the end was the icing on the cake.

Plus another installment of "Steven Adams gets hit in the nuts".

But that's a huge win, especially with the T-Wolves & Pelicans having difficult games to come. The Thunder still has a super difficult run in, but they've got a bit of breathing space now and beating the Raptors on the road is damned impressive.


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