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Kuz can score and make his own play. He would thrive under the radar. AD and Bron can shoot 3s.


AD ain't there to shoot 3s...

You need the other guys to do that.

Bron/AD PnR surrounded by shooting. Kuz at 30% from 3 last year? Not gonna cut it.

Kuz as a 6th man gunner is fine, but I wouldn't like to close with him come the playoffs.


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Is there room in the Lakers cap for Kyrie?


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The #4 pick is worth more to the Pellies than him. Easily.


No it’s not. And they got stuck with Lonzo Bust. Lakers straight finessed em.


Yes, it is. :lol: It's way more attractive to other teams than Kuzma.

And Lonzo is better than Kuz as well.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:03 am 
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I hadn't heard about the pick swap options, that improves the deal for the Pels but realistically the Lakers don't want rookies anyway. They're mortgaging the future to try and win in the next two years and to rebuild around AD once LeBron's contract finishes.


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Marshall Banana wrote:
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Kuz can score and make his own play. He would thrive under the radar. AD and Bron can shoot 3s.


AD ain't there to shoot 3s...

You need the other guys to do that.

Bron/AD PnR surrounded by shooting. Kuz at 30% from 3 last year? Not gonna cut it.

Kuz as a 6th man gunner is fine, but I wouldn't like to close with him come the playoffs.

AD obviously can do more than shoot 3s.
This situation is made for Kuz. Bron will pass more and Kuz would have his best season. Kuz's value is to take load of bron and AD who ultimately will be the two you'd look to come playoffs.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:06 am 
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I hadn't heard about the pick swap options, that improves the deal for the Pels but realistically the Lakers don't want rookies anyway. They're mortgaging the future to try and win in the next two years and to rebuild around AD once LeBron's contract finishes.


For sure.

Bron is 35 in December. They're in win now mode.


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Marshall Banana wrote:
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The #4 pick is worth more to the Pellies than him. Easily.


No it’s not. And they got stuck with Lonzo Bust. Lakers straight finessed em.


Yes, it is. :lol: It's way more attractive to other teams than Kuzma.

And Lonzo is better than Kuz as well.

Kuz is a better scorer


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Picks are power. Plenty of options to make things happen


Which brings to mind the Celtics. It's surprising that they haven't pulled the trigger on some of these big boys over the past few seasons (PG, AD, Kawhi) with all the assets they accumulated... Kyrie leaving now, they might end up thinking what could have been


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I see Kuz in a Siakam type impact.


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CrazyIslander wrote:
I see Kuz in a Siakam type impact.


OK, calm down. :lol:

Siakam can actually rebound, defend, and pass.


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vintage_cox wrote:
Picks are power. Plenty of options to make things happen


Which brings to mind the Celtics. It's surprising that they haven't pulled the trigger on some of these big boys over the past few seasons (PG, AD, Kawhi) with all the assets they accumulated... Kyrie leaving now, they might end up thinking what could have been


Yeah, the Celtics acquired so many assets but other than the Kyrie trade, they've never made the big move. I wouldn't bet against Ainge fleecing someone again, but at the moment it's looking like they've missed their shot for a really big play.


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CrazyIslander wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
Bowens wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
The #4 pick is worth more to the Pellies than him. Easily.


No it’s not. And they got stuck with Lonzo Bust. Lakers straight finessed em.


Yes, it is. :lol: It's way more attractive to other teams than Kuzma.

And Lonzo is better than Kuz as well.

Kuz is a better scorer


He’s a better player. Always has been always will be.

The picks are a wildcard obviously but looking at the deal today it’s a W for LA.


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vintage_cox wrote:
Picks are power. Plenty of options to make things happen


Which brings to mind the Celtics. It's surprising that they haven't pulled the trigger on some of these big boys over the past few seasons (PG, AD, Kawhi) with all the assets they accumulated... Kyrie leaving now, they might end up thinking what could have been


Isn't it fucking wonderful?

Ainge biding his time... for what? Naught!

Some Cs fans are calling for his head. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:19 am 
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Marshall Banana wrote:
Isn't it fucking wonderful?

Ainge biding his time... for what? Naught!


Something we can all agree on.


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Marshall Banana wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
I see Kuz in a Siakam type impact.


OK, calm down. :lol:

Siakam can actually rebound, defend, and pass.
He's Melo (not even hoodie Melo)


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Bowens wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
Bowens wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
The #4 pick is worth more to the Pellies than him. Easily.


No it’s not. And they got stuck with Lonzo Bust. Lakers straight finessed em.


Yes, it is. :lol: It's way more attractive to other teams than Kuzma.

And Lonzo is better than Kuz as well.

Kuz is a better scorer


He’s a better player. Always has been always will be.

The picks are a wildcard obviously but looking at the deal today it’s a W for LA.


Nah.

But next to Bron? Better fit.


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Bowens wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
Bowens wrote:
Marshall Banana wrote:
The #4 pick is worth more to the Pellies than him. Easily.


No it’s not. And they got stuck with Lonzo Bust. Lakers straight finessed em.


Yes, it is. :lol: It's way more attractive to other teams than Kuzma.

And Lonzo is better than Kuz as well.

Kuz is a better scorer


He’s a better player. Always has been always will be.

The picks are a wildcard obviously but looking at the deal today it’s a W for LA.

Definitely.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:22 am 
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But this thread is really lacking this

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more of this


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:23 am 
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Lonzo is great until you realise he'd never be more than a solid player.


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vintage_cox wrote:
But this thread is really lacking this

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more of this




Keith Quinn wrote:
Oh! OH!


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vintage_cox wrote:
But this thread is really lacking this

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more of this

AD has just left yet you think Zion won't.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:28 am 
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CrazyIslander wrote:
Lonzo is great until you realise he'd never be more than a solid player.


It was never going to be any other way. And that’s before you look at the questionable durability.


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CrazyIslander wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
But this thread is really lacking this

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more of this

AD has just left yet you think Zion won't.

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That block is ridiculous :lol:


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Also, Jrue and Lonzo could be a nasty backcourt to play against

https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1115029043089481728



Remember when Jrue was next to an engaged playoff Rondo. Dame had a bad time


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Oh yeah, Lonzo's defence doesn't get much press but he's really good at that. His passing on the break is gonna be great with Zion too.


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Marshall Banana wrote:
vintage_cox wrote:
Picks are power. Plenty of options to make things happen


Which brings to mind the Celtics. It's surprising that they haven't pulled the trigger on some of these big boys over the past few seasons (PG, AD, Kawhi) with all the assets they accumulated... Kyrie leaving now, they might end up thinking what could have been


Isn't it fucking wonderful?

Ainge biding his time... for what? Naught!

Some Cs fans are calling for his head. :lol:

Especially with Brooklyn being back on the up.... now if Kyrie leaves Boston for Brooklyn :o


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Vegas released their win totals for next season yesterday...

Nets opened at 50.5 wins. Currently sit at 47.5.

Celtics opened at 48.5. Currently sit at 44.5.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:19 am 
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C's fans salty
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I hate the Lakers. They do everything wrong for a decade and fall ass backwards into LeBron. They then completely bungle that offseason, but end up getting the #4 pick they didn’t expect to have and a total Celtics collapse and Kyrie departure, and now fall ass backwards into AD.

Imagine if Kyrie actually went ot LA

(I ain't gonna bitch about their luck in the draft though :D 8) )


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:32 am 
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Next year's season just got more interesting already. Will be fascinating to see how Lebron & AD team up together.


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The thing is, no matter your opinion on Kuzma, this is Anthony Davis we’re talking about. That means you ought to be getting everything and the kitchen sink. Even if they didn’t want him he would have been a useful trade asset. In all likelihood they could have had him and the #4 pick.

Does anybody actually know what the offer was in February? Cuz if memory serves, the rumor was it was Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Zubac, and picks. Hard to see how this beats that (if that was true).

BTW Kuzma shot 36% from 3 his rookie year, so last year could well have just been a sophomore slump. He’s not a star but he’s no scrub either. I find it funny when people scoff at “pure scorers” who can put up 30-40 on a given night. Yes, he’s not a complete player, but that isn’t just something any player can do, especially as a non-first option.

And as I’ve said before, picks for drafts years in advance when the rank is undetermined are highly overrated, and especially so those of a good team likely to be choosing in the 20s. But, this is mystery box thinking and people love to think they’ll uncover the next Jokic hiding deep in the draft, rather than the far, far, far likelier outcome of a guy who plays 3 minutes a game for two or three seasons before heading off to Europe.

Unless there’s actually more to this, I gotta think this is a somewhat poor haul without Kuzma. Let’s see what they can do with that #4 pick, though.

Nevertheless, the Lakers won this trade.


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The only question is whether the Pels could've gotten an all star for AD. And whether a year with Zion could've convinced AD to stay.


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Good trade for Lakers. They have AD and he will take over the team when LeBron leaves and they can build around them then him.

No guarantee how they will go but will be interesting watching...


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CrazyIslander wrote:
The only question is whether the Pels could've gotten an all star for AD. And whether a year with Zion could've convinced AD to stay.


Thing is, AD kinda tanked his value by letting it be known he wasn’t going to resign for all but like 2 teams.

I would’ve really loved to have seen Zion, Jrue, and AD together. Oh well...

But yeah, the best player the Pels got is...Brandon Ingram? Even the Spurs shopping a disgruntled, injured Kawhi managed to get Demar Derozan out of it.


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vintage_cox wrote:
Guys, no, just no


Sounds like there's A LOT more to this regarding the picks/swaps/protections...

From Windhorst: "The Lakers just acquired one of the top five to ten players in the league .. He's a superstar. He's in his prime. One year from now we could be looking at the Lakers holding the trophy. What they gave up for him is POTENTIALLY SCANDALOUS. It's an unbelievable haul they gave. ... It is the Nets-Celtics trade Part 2."
Went on to call it "one of the most lopsided trades" in league history when it comes to draft pick compensation. The Lakers gave Pelicans control of their picks for the "next 5 to 7 years."
"It was the best possible deal I think the Pelicans could squeeze out of the Lakers. From what I understand is the details, there's more than just the draft picks. I can't say right now. Just know that this was an incredible haul that they had to give up from a draft standpoint."


I hate this sensationalism ESPN BS. Why can't he say? Why bring it up at all then.

BTW I seriously doubt the Lakers will win the trophy (exempting more major moves), I think Davis will experience what almost everyone else does, your numbers have to go down for LeBron's isoplay style and IMO Davis is a tad overrated as it is.


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This is a breakdown of the picks received:

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2019 pick (#4)
2021 pick - top 8 protected in 2021, defers to 2022 where it is unprotected
2023 pick swap
2024 pick unprotected
2025 pick swap


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This is a breakdown of the picks received:

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2019 pick (#4)
2021 pick - top 8 protected in 2021, defers to 2022 where it is unprotected
2023 pick swap
2024 pick unprotected
2025 pick swap

Can u explain that?


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CrazyIslander wrote:
fonzeee wrote:
This is a breakdown of the picks received:

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2019 pick (#4)
2021 pick - top 8 protected in 2021, defers to 2022 where it is unprotected
2023 pick swap
2024 pick unprotected
2025 pick swap

Can u explain that?


Pick swap means they have the right to swap picks with the Lakers if they so choose, ie if the Lakers finish with a worse record and have a better pick.

2021 pick is Pels’ basically, unless Lakers’ pick goes top 8. If it does, then they get the Lakers’ 2022 pick with no strings attached.

I think.


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fonzeee wrote:
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The only question is whether the Pels could've gotten an all star for AD. And whether a year with Zion could've convinced AD to stay.


Thing is, AD kinda tanked his value by letting it be known he wasn’t going to resign for all but like 2 teams.

I would’ve really loved to have seen Zion, Jrue, and AD together. Oh well...

But yeah, the best player the Pels got is...Brandon Ingram? Even the Spurs shopping a disgruntled, injured Kawhi managed to get Demar Derozan out of it.


This is a way better haul than the Spurs got for Kawhi. A ton of draft picks and some players who could potentially show better outside a dysfunctional Lakers org (see Julius Randle, Dlo) compared to an overpaid Derozan, Poeltl and a late first, where Raptors also got Danny Green as part of the deal.

This also could go horribly wrong for the Lakers. They have something like $27 million in cap room. Last year they managed to get KCP, Stephenson and Rondo for $25 million. Maybe a decent organization could find some good value to fill that, but this is the Lakers. So they will likely either go for another star and have straight up garbage from 4-12 spots on the roster or they'll overpay some washed up names to come fill out the rotation. Let's say they get bounced early in the playoffs, with a future draft situation completely stripped of assets and a poorly run organization. AD might take a look at that, plus an aging Lebron and decide that a long term deal would be better with another franchise.


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goeagles wrote:
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The only question is whether the Pels could've gotten an all star for AD. And whether a year with Zion could've convinced AD to stay.


Thing is, AD kinda tanked his value by letting it be known he wasn’t going to resign for all but like 2 teams.

I would’ve really loved to have seen Zion, Jrue, and AD together. Oh well...

But yeah, the best player the Pels got is...Brandon Ingram? Even the Spurs shopping a disgruntled, injured Kawhi managed to get Demar Derozan out of it.


This is a way better haul than the Spurs got for Kawhi. A ton of draft picks and some players who could potentially show better outside a dysfunctional Lakers org (see Julius Randle, Dlo) compared to an overpaid Derozan, Poeltl and a late first, where Raptors also got Danny Green as part of the deal.

This also could go horribly wrong for the Lakers. They have something like $27 million in cap room. Last year they managed to get KCP, Stephenson and Rondo for $25 million. Maybe a decent organization could find some good value to fill that, but this is the Lakers. So they will likely either go for another star and have straight up garbage from 4-12 spots on the roster or they'll overpay some washed up names to come fill out the rotation. Let's say they get bounced early in the playoffs, with a future draft situation completely stripped of assets and a poorly run organization. AD might take a look at that, plus an aging Lebron and decide that a long term deal would be better with another franchise.


I would agree that overall this is better than what the Spurs got, it's just that there’s very little to show for it in terms of known quantities. And I’m a relatively big Lonzo fan.

As CI said, I just wonder if they could have gotten a star, especially since all the GS injuries have pretty much blown the West wide open next year. They could have convinced someone to take a swing for a title next year with a one-year AD rental, even if there was zero chance of resigning him. Hell, it just worked for Toronto.

I don’t think anybody in this deal, including the future draft picks, will ever rise to the level of even a DeRozan. Unfortunately for them this is a pretty weak draft, but let’s see what they do with the #4 pick.


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