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 Post subject: Self defence shirley
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"A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death"

I sincerely hope that common sense prevails.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Brief description suggests self defence, but there may be details missing.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Druid wrote:
"A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death"

I sincerely hope that common sense prevails.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183


No witness to corroborate, nothing unusual in police holding someone till things can be checked.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?
Surely if it was unplanned and accidental it’s manslaughter at worst.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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backrow wrote:
Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?
Surely if it was unplanned and accidental it’s manslaughter at worst.

If you're heavily medicated you might get it downgraded to manslaughter.

If, on the other hand, you've considered it before the event.......😉


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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That’ll learn him


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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backrow wrote:
Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?
Surely if it was unplanned and accidental it’s manslaughter at worst.


If he stabbed him once by accident, and the guy fell over, then he dragged him to the side, picked up the screwdriver and stabbed him 20 more times, that's murder. If they were wrestling and the guy got stabbed accidentally, then in my mind that's self defence and he walks free.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Arrested? The Police should be thanking him.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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frillage wrote:
Druid wrote:
"A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death"

I sincerely hope that common sense prevails.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183


No witness to corroborate, nothing unusual in police holding someone till things can be checked.



Keep with the narrative. ""Heavy handed police, lack of common sense blah, blah, blah"

Bimbo will be along soon to put the thread back on track.

Edit. I see englishchief got there first.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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We could wait until there's substantially more information available before forming an opinion?


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Mahoney wrote:
We could wait until there's substantially more information available before forming an opinion?


I agree.

Though I think they should bang him up for life. He had a kitchen set made out of his dead wife's bone and was dressed as Princess Peach from Mario when they broke into the house, so he's definitely guilty.

Least that's what a bloke down the pub said.


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Mahoney wrote:
We could wait until there's substantially more information available before forming an opinion?

Fvck off noob


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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happyhooker wrote:
backrow wrote:
Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?
Surely if it was unplanned and accidental it’s manslaughter at worst.

If you're heavily medicated you might get it downgraded to manslaughter.

If, on the other hand, you've considered it before the event.......😉


Typing on phone fail


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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'Stabbed to death' is the official journalistic term, but it grates with me. What's wrong with 'killed by stabbing'?


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Some predictably shrill reaction to this online. Assume it's all pretty standard when a bloke turns up dead with a stab wound and that he'll soon be released if it was just self defence


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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backrow wrote:
Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?


It was when Harold Shipman was around.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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englishchief wrote:
Arrested? The Police should be thanking him.



i dont think you'l get a nibble on that one

I do think that after all of these years even Bill, in his more reflective moments, acknowledges that if someone is stabbed to death they are probably trained not to just take the stabbers word that it was self defence, and that its reasonable to double check before sending him/her off with a pat on the back.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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If there was a tussle it's hard to believe they could prove it wasn't in self defence. It's not like he was shot in the back while fleeing.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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A5D5E5 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?


It was when Harold Shipman was around.

:lol: :thumbup:
'Buried his mistakes' except that they weren't mistakes, he meant to do it.


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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A5D5E5 wrote:
backrow wrote:
Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?


It was when Harold Shipman was around.


that's up there with escaped goat ! :lol:

anyways - find your own face, and fcuk it. :x


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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colonel wrote:
englishchief wrote:
Arrested? The Police should be thanking him.



i dont think you'l get a nibble on that one

I do think that after all of these years even Bill, in his more reflective moments, acknowledges that if someone is stabbed to death they are probably trained not to just take the stabbers word that it was self defence, and that its reasonable to double check before sending him/her off with a pat on the back.


Whatever happened to Bill, did he finally get SoS'd or did he mutate into one of the other mouth breathers?


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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BlackMac wrote:
frillage wrote:
Druid wrote:
"A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death"

I sincerely hope that common sense prevails.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183


No witness to corroborate, nothing unusual in police holding someone till things can be checked.



Keep with the narrative. ""Heavy handed police, lack of common sense blah, blah, blah"

Bimbo will be along soon to put the thread back on track.

Edit. I see englishchief got there first.


I’d challenge you to find a post of that type from me, though when does evidence actually matter :P ?


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Whatever happened to Bill, did he finally get SoS'd or did he mutate into one of the other mouth breathers?


Greece stayed in the EU and after Anthropogenic Global Warming was debunked, he had nothing more to rail against.

I don't think he really had the heart for Brexit Bashing either. :(


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Sandstorm wrote:
crash 669 wrote:
Whatever happened to Bill, did he finally get SoS'd or did he mutate into one of the other mouth breathers?


Greece stayed in the EU and after Anthropogenic Global Warming was debunked, he had nothing more to rail against.

I don't think he really had the heart for Brexit Bashing either. :(


I'll bite. When did that happen??


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Sandstorm wrote:
crash 669 wrote:
Whatever happened to Bill, did he finally get SoS'd or did he mutate into one of the other mouth breathers?


Greece stayed in the EU and after Anthropogenic Global Warming was debunked, he had nothing more to rail against.

I don't think he really had the heart for Brexit Bashing either. :(


I'll bite. When did that happen??


It's called Climate Change now. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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Scrummie wrote:
backrow wrote:
Doesn’t murder have to be pre medicated ?
Surely if it was unplanned and accidental it’s manslaughter at worst.



He may have known they were coming.

Has to be investigated first and all facts known.

You think he invited them over for tea & scones?


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I guess he must have said something to make them believe it wasn't self defence? Anything that might possibly be racist will also set alarm bells ringing in police politics ... not that anything leads one you believe that's anything to do with this case.


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I guess he must have said something to make them believe it wasn't self defence? Anything that might possibly be racist will also set alarm bells ringing in police politics ... not that anything leads one you believe that's anything to do with this case.



That or he admitted to stabbing the bloke who died of his wounds and bloody Brussels red tape means the Police have to ask a person who does that some questions

Hopefully, after brexit we'll be able to stab anyone we like and be given the benefit of the doubt

I assume we will drift more toward the american model where this guy would currently be signed up as a contributor to Fox News and a Black family of 4 sitting outside a Pret 4 streets over will have been executed by the police because they couldnt take any risks that the tuna baguette might have a gun hidden in it


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I guess he must have said something to make them believe it wasn't self defence? Anything that might possibly be racist will also set alarm bells ringing in police politics ... not that anything leads one you believe that's anything to do with this case.



That or he admitted to stabbing the bloke who died of his wounds and bloody Brussels red tape means the Police have to ask a person who does that some questions

Hopefully, after brexit we'll be able to stab anyone we like and be given the benefit of the doubt

I assume we will drift more toward the american model where this guy would currently be signed up as a contributor to Fox News and a Black family of 4 sitting outside a Pret 4 streets over will have been executed by the police because they couldnt take any risks that the tuna baguette might have a gun hidden in it



Gotta laugh, although it could happen. :lol:


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englishchief wrote:
Arrested? The Police should be thanking him.



i dont think you'l get a nibble on that one

I do think that after all of these years even Bill, in his more reflective moments, acknowledges that if someone is stabbed to death they are probably trained not to just take the stabbers word that it was self defence, and that its reasonable to double check before sending him/her off with a pat on the back.


:lol:

Possibly, possibly


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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colonel wrote:
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I guess he must have said something to make them believe it wasn't self defence? Anything that might possibly be racist will also set alarm bells ringing in police politics ... not that anything leads one you believe that's anything to do with this case.



That or he admitted to stabbing the bloke who died of his wounds and bloody Brussels red tape means the Police have to ask a person who does that some questions

Hopefully, after brexit we'll be able to stab anyone we like and be given the benefit of the doubt

I assume we will drift more toward the american model where this guy would currently be signed up as a contributor to Fox News and a Black family of 4 sitting outside a Pret 4 streets over will have been executed by the police because they couldnt take any risks that the tuna baguette might have a gun hidden in it

:lol: :-(


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 Post subject: Re: Self defence shirley
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colonel wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
I guess he must have said something to make them believe it wasn't self defence? Anything that might possibly be racist will also set alarm bells ringing in police politics ... not that anything leads one you believe that's anything to do with this case.



That or he admitted to stabbing the bloke who died of his wounds and bloody Brussels red tape means the Police have to ask a person who does that some questions

Hopefully, after brexit we'll be able to stab anyone we like and be given the benefit of the doubt

I assume we will drift more toward the american model where this guy would currently be signed up as a contributor to Fox News and a Black family of 4 sitting outside a Pret 4 streets over will have been executed by the police because they couldnt take any risks that the tuna baguette might have a gun hidden in it

Funny.
In my defence, I read that he was charged with GBH that was upgraded to murder after questioning, rather than suspicion of murder.


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message #2527204 wrote:
colonel wrote:
message #2527204 wrote:
I guess he must have said something to make them believe it wasn't self defence? Anything that might possibly be racist will also set alarm bells ringing in police politics ... not that anything leads one you believe that's anything to do with this case.



That or he admitted to stabbing the bloke who died of his wounds and bloody Brussels red tape means the Police have to ask a person who does that some questions

Hopefully, after brexit we'll be able to stab anyone we like and be given the benefit of the doubt

I assume we will drift more toward the american model where this guy would currently be signed up as a contributor to Fox News and a Black family of 4 sitting outside a Pret 4 streets over will have been executed by the police because they couldnt take any risks that the tuna baguette might have a gun hidden in it

Funny.
In my defence, I read that he was charged with GBH that was upgraded to murder after questioning, rather than suspicion of murder.


It's not murder until the thief dies.


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The ' arrested on suspicion of' being the important part. Rather than 'charged with'


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crash 669 wrote:
colonel wrote:
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Arrested? The Police should be thanking him.



i dont think you'l get a nibble on that one

I do think that after all of these years even Bill, in his more reflective moments, acknowledges that if someone is stabbed to death they are probably trained not to just take the stabbers word that it was self defence, and that its reasonable to double check before sending him/her off with a pat on the back.


Whatever happened to Bill, did he finally get SoS'd or did he mutate into one of the other mouth breathers?

Bill did used to make me laugh.

Absolutely right to question the pensioner, I hope they made him nice tea and fed him while he was in custody though.


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Have you seen the crime roll call of this family. Regardless of what happened that night what do you do with families like that becuase jail made no difference.


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Pensioner has been released, no further action to be taken.


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Look at this great picture of him

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:shock: I didn't know Leinster in London was 78!


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