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Which oven?
Bosch 23%  23%  [ 5 ]
Miele 27%  27%  [ 6 ]
Westinghouse 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
Other 9%  9%  [ 2 ]
Gavin Henson 36%  36%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 22
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Getting a new (electric) oven.

60cm aperture.

They all come with (additional cost) matching ceramic cook tops so no real difference there.

I have narrowed it down to three - a Westinghouse, a Miele, and a Bosch.

Bosch is winning - if we're talking ovens, the Germans certainly have plenty of expertise.

Anyone have any experience of these three or similar?

Thoughts please.

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Bosch Serie 6 Electric Built-in Oven HBT578FS1A

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Miele - H 2265 BP - Pyrolytic Oven - cleansteel

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Westinghouse WVEP618S Pyrolytic Electric Built-in Oven

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I'm confused, there's no Gavin Henson option in the poll.


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I'm confused, there's no Gavin Henson option in the poll.


FFS.


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I considered buying a pyrolytic oven when we replaced ours a couple of years back but after reading a bunch of reviews, I decided against it.

Essentially, the reviews said the self cleaning function wasn't really that impressive and more worryingly, a lot of components in the oven may not actually stand up to the high temps needed in the process.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:46 am 
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If only the forum had someone who could provide truthful, terse , relevant, and helpful advice.

I wouldn’t bother with pyrolytic ovens as has been mentioned.

I’ve always chosen SMEG or AEG ovens for my own properties , they seem bombproof , are not expensive to fix (unlike Miele) and in case of SMEG actually have another layer of glass so the window stays safe to touch if you’ve small kids. The decent initial outlay extra seems worth it for me for something that looks nice, Cooks well, and seems to last. Have only had to replace one bulb and one heat coil in 25 years ownership (across 3 ovens , 2 of which in rental properties)

I don’t know the Westinghouse make at all.
Our Bosch washing machine and fridge have lasted very well indeed.


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Would only buy Bosch or Miele for ovens, and largely for any kitchen appliance. Miele is usually a fair bit more expensive on a like for like though


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As fate would have it I recently had a similar dilemma installing a new wall oven

We compared all the brands you looked at but went with a 90 cm pyrolytic Electrolux - it’s great, they also do 60cms as well

https://www.electrolux.co.nz/cooking/ovens/evep916sb/

https://www.electrolux.co.nz/cooking/ovens/

We liked Miele as well, Bosch was 3rd choice

I ended up doing loads of research but they all have similar type functions but went for Electrolux as it looked slightly better and had better reviews but was slightly more expensive than the Miele

Of the brands you looked at I preferred the Miele - not sure if this helps!


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Neff or Siemens seem to have the edge over Bosch these days

Also in the UK, Belling still make fantastic quality ovens


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
I considered buying a pyrolytic oven when we replaced ours a couple of years back but after reading a bunch of reviews, I decided against it.

Essentially, the reviews said the self cleaning function wasn't really that impressive and more worryingly, a lot of components in the oven may not actually stand up to the high temps needed in the process.


Yeh it’s a bit of a gimmick to be fair -definitely not an essential


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Miele if you want 15 years, neff or Bosch’s if you want 10


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Not the first thread I’ve seen that has had SMEG and Siemens tbf

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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
I considered buying a pyrolytic oven when we replaced ours a couple of years back but after reading a bunch of reviews, I decided against it.

Essentially, the reviews said the self cleaning function wasn't really that impressive and more worryingly, a lot of components in the oven may not actually stand up to the high temps needed in the process.

Bought a Miele for our new Kitchen and the pyro cleaning function stopped working and Miele wanted €120.
Everything else is working fine now 6 years old and it's not difficult to clean.
Meant to say it was a little under 2 years when the pryo stopped working, as an electrician I was never mad about something in a domestic scenario going up in temp to 375 centigrade.


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
I considered buying a pyrolytic oven when we replaced ours a couple of years back but after reading a bunch of reviews, I decided against it.

Essentially, the reviews said the self cleaning function wasn't really that impressive and more worryingly, a lot of components in the oven may not actually stand up to the high temps needed in the process.


Cheers.

Bosch still winning.


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We went with NEFF 10 years ago, never regretted it. Does everything it says it will (including self cleaning) well.

Edit, we are gradually replacing the white goods in rental properties with Bosch. We have not put a Bosch oven in yet, but a friend in the trade told us they are the best compromise between price, robustness and repairability.


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lorcanoworms wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
I considered buying a pyrolytic oven when we replaced ours a couple of years back but after reading a bunch of reviews, I decided against it.

Essentially, the reviews said the self cleaning function wasn't really that impressive and more worryingly, a lot of components in the oven may not actually stand up to the high temps needed in the process.

Bought a Miele for our new Kitchen and the pyro cleaning function stopped working and Miele wanted €120.
Everything else is working fine now 6 years old and it's not difficult to clean.
Meant to say it was a little under 2 years when the pryo stopped working, as an electrician I was never mad about something in a domestic scenario going up in temp to 375 centigrade.



Meile have a standard 2 year warranty.


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Ellafan wrote:
if we're talking ovens, the Germans certainly have plenty of expertise.



Yikes.

We have a Bosch. Haven't installed it yet so have nothing useful to say about it, but I voted for it anyway :thumbup:


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Buy German. They make the best ovens.


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bimboman wrote:
Miele if you want 15 years, neff or Bosch’s if you want 10


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bimboman wrote:
lorcanoworms wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
I considered buying a pyrolytic oven when we replaced ours a couple of years back but after reading a bunch of reviews, I decided against it.

Essentially, the reviews said the self cleaning function wasn't really that impressive and more worryingly, a lot of components in the oven may not actually stand up to the high temps needed in the process.

Bought a Miele for our new Kitchen and the pyro cleaning function stopped working and Miele wanted €120.
Everything else is working fine now 6 years old and it's not difficult to clean.
Meant to say it was a little under 2 years when the pryo stopped working, as an electrician I was never mad about something in a domestic scenario going up in temp to 375 centigrade.



Meile have a standard 2 year warranty.

It was a demo model, normally parts and labour 2 years.
The pryo started giving trouble at just under 2 years and stopped altogether a little while after.
When we belatedly rang Miele they said parts would be provided labour €120.
I asked would an electrician be doing she it said no, so der missus was quite happy to do without.


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backrow wrote:
in case of SMEG actually have another layer of glass so the window stays safe to touch if you’ve small kids.
Our Bosch washing machine and fridge have lasted very well indeed.


+1 for SMEG then - this one might still be around when some grandkids arrive. Though most SMEGs seem to be Pyrolytic, which doesn't seem to be worth it judging by the comments.

Never had a self cleaning oven, so fuck it.

Bosch does seem to get good reviews.

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SFPA6604NX

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brat wrote:
all have similar type functions but went for Electrolux as it looked slightly better and had better reviews but was slightly more expensive than the Miele

Of the brands you looked at I preferred the Miele - not sure if this helps!


Does not surprise - Miele kit is good - more exxy though - but ruling out the self cleaning extends the budget.


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backrow wrote:
Not the first thread I’ve seen that has had SMEG and Siemens tbf

:?


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lorcanoworms wrote:
as an electrician I was never mad about something in a domestic scenario going up in temp to 375 centigrade.


Don't need to hear anything more on the pyro cleaning option, TBF.


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Get a Weber or ask a Bok.

Otherwise try Mumsnet.


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Edinburgh01 wrote:
We went with NEFF 10 years ago, never regretted it. Does everything it says it will (including self cleaning) well.

Edit, we are gradually replacing the white goods in rental properties with Bosch. We have not put a Bosch oven in yet, but a friend in the trade told us they are the best compromise between price, robustness and repairability.


Yes. The Germans know how to build ovens.


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What do people think of Zannusi, had a lot of trouble with their stuff lately.
I'd like to say their vacuum cleaner sucked but that it did not do.
Daewoo fridge freezers is another item I would not rate.


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Get a Weber or ask a Bok.

Otherwise try Mumsnet.


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BlackMac wrote:
Neff or Siemens seem to have the edge over Bosch these days

Also in the UK, Belling still make fantastic quality ovens


What have you got Inspector?


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Otherwise try Mumsnet.


Got IP banned there about 10 years ago.


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Nobody got a kitchenaid? Always liked the look of them they feel more premium than most others. The new neffs don’t have the heavyweight feel of the old ones.


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Nobody got a kitchenaid? Always liked the look of them they feel more premium than most others. The new neffs don’t have the heavyweight feel of the old ones.


Kitchenaid is a whirlpool brand, innit?


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We are currently renovating our whole house , the kitchen is nearly finished and we have most of our appliances installed.

I research the fck out of everything before buying and we ended up installing two Bosch HRG 6767S2A Series 8 60cm pyrolytic ovens with steam.

We were replacing a 90cm Westinghouse which had done us well over it's life but really liked the functionality of these ovens.

The cook assist function is incredible, it practically cooks things for you without you even having to prewarm the oven. Select what you want to cook, adjust the weight and off it goes. If it senses things are starting to dry out a little it will blast the oven with steam to keep things moist.

We picked them up from Harvey Norman for $1900 each, next cheapest was appliances online at $2300, just be cheeky with the sales staff.

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By the way the Miele hob, cooker and washing machine look like new approx 6 years on.


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Ellafan wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
Nobody got a kitchenaid? Always liked the look of them they feel more premium than most others. The new neffs don’t have the heavyweight feel of the old ones.


Kitchenaid is a whirlpool brand, innit?


Dunno. They’re even more expensive than Miele.


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Taffia wrote:
We are currently renovating our whole house , the kitchen is nearly finished and we have most of our appliances installed.

I research the fck out of everything before buying and we ended up installing two Bosch HRG 6767S2A Series 8 60cm pyrolytic ovens with steam.

We were replacing a 90cm Westinghouse which had done us well over it's life but really liked the functionality of these ovens.

The cook assist function is incredible, it practically cooks things for you without you even having to prewarm the oven. Select what you want to cook, adjust the weight and off it goes. If it senses things are starting to dry out a little it will blast the oven with steam to keep things moist.

We picked them up from Harvey Norman for $1900 each, next cheapest was appliances online at $2300, just be cheeky with the sales staff.

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Is Globus franchising now?


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Taffia wrote:

I research the fck out of everything before buying and we ended up installing two Bosch HRG 6767S2A Series 8 60cm pyrolytic ovens with steam.



Hello Taffia, hope RAAF [redacted] is treating you well.

Your photos looked like gas burners - alas I have no gas.

However I see this is electric -

Do you think the Pyrolytic is worth it though? Do you use it?

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Ellafan wrote:
Taffia wrote:

I research the fck out of everything before buying and we ended up installing two Bosch HRG 6767S2A Series 8 60cm pyrolytic ovens with steam.



Hello Taffia, hope RAAF [redacted] is treating you well.

Your photos looked like gas burners - alas I have no gas.

However I see this is electric -

Do you think the Pyrolytic is worth it though? Do you use it?

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Hey mate, haven’t been at the RAAF base for a while, busting my balls on the waratah fleet around Sydney these days.

Wouldn’t get anything without pyrolysis cleaning these days , takes a lot of the hassle away. The functions on these Bosch models are insane, for Miele equivalent you can quadruple the price at least.

Thank god for gas cooktops , not a fan of electric tops.

You’ll need a 20 amp separate circuit per oven for install .

At work at the moment and trains are starting to rock up in the yards so will catch up with the thread in a few hours.


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I got this one, haven't installed it yet but it came top in my research.
https://www.smeguk.com/product/dosp6390x/

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Taffia wrote:
Wouldn’t get anything without pyrolysis cleaning these days , takes a lot of the hassle away. The functions on these Bosch models are insane, for Miele equivalent you can quadruple the price at least.

You’ll need a 20 amp separate circuit per oven for install .


Well it wouldn't be PR if views didn't swing back and forth...

but seriously, what do you think of LCW's views about 375degress etc?

Must say you have swung my thinking back towards the Bosch.


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