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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:32 am 
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Whatever were they thinking?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I actually don't see a problem with the ad. Have you watched it?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I actually don't see a problem with the ad. Have you watched it?


Yes I have. It matters little if you or I have a problem with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I will actively be boycotting Gillette now.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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What's the issue with the ad? Some people moaning that it panders to SJWs, virtue signalling etc?
I've seen it mentioned that Gilette don't have a particularly good track record with human rights abuses in it's manufacturing or something, so the whole campaign is a bit hypocritical. I don't know enough to comment either way.

I don't see how the message in the ad is an especially bad thing?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Nolanator wrote:
What's the issue with the ad? Some people moaning that it panders to SJWs, virtue signalling etc?
I've seen it mentioned that Gilette don't have a particularly good track record with human rights abuses in it's manufacturing or something, so the whole campaign is a bit hypocritical. I don't know enough to comment either way.

I don't see how the message in the ad is an especially bad thing?


neither do I, whingers gonna whinge tbf

having said that, I'm boycotting anything that is pro snowflake / anti gawping at womens bangers


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I am not convinced that Gillette intended to have such an overwhelming negative response to an ad for shaving products.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Said it on the shaving thread they would want to sack their quality control dept as well.
For the fusion shít.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Its more than a bit corny, but other than that I don't get the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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What bit of the ad are you looking at and saying thats wrong? Theres always the argument that these big companies shouldnt be lecturing you, but lets face it they do it all the time, in ways more directly corresponding to their brand and you dont complain. I watch that ad and think, well yeah, thats the kind of father, partner etc I try to be, and I see a fudge load of guys who dont act like that so hell yeah. Women getting battered, raped and killed is a real thing. Children getting treated like they are in fight club is a real thing, that happens. Catcalling happens. You mighnt do any of these things but you probably know guys who do, or who would. if you dont like SJW, what every the f*ck that bullshit term means to you, help to cut out the real shit they have to complain about and they'll not be such a massive intrussion on your life as the bleating blokes seem to think they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Who is your question directed to?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Too edgy?
Cuts a bit too close to the bone?
Got people in a lather?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Too edgy?
Cuts a bit too close to the bone?
Got people in a lather?


If they had tagged these on to the end of the ad


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I am f**king outraged, this will be the end of MANkind as we know it! PC gone made! Feminazis and SJW's have taken over the world!

A little bullying, misogyny and stiff upper lip is how Brittania ruled the waves. How dare we try put an end these traditions we hold so dear. How will the "different" kid grow stronger if they are not beaten up everyday, how will women know if they have done a good job unless they are touched inappropriately in the work place.

When we can put an end to this assault on our masculinity that we have faced for the last TWO years. Thank god we have male rights activists fighting against the oppression that I face on a daily basis.

Piers Morgan is on my side on this so I can't be wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Hey @Gillette, I have an idea, stay out of politics. Real men already stop other guys from acting badly. A razor company should want me to shave with your product. And, btw, I'm extremely masculine. And there's nothing wrong with that. #TheBestMenCanBe


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I am f**king outraged, this will be the end of MANkind as we know it! PC gone made! Feminazis and SJW's have taken over the world!

A little bullying, misogyny and stiff upper lip is how Brittania ruled the waves. How dare we try put an end these traditions we hold so dear. How will the "different" kid grow stronger if they are not beaten up everyday, how will women know if they have done a good job unless they are touched inappropriately in the work place.

When we can put an end to this assault on our masculinity that we have faced for the last TWO years. Thank god we have male rights activists fighting against the oppression that I face on a daily basis.

Piers Morgan is on my side on this so I can't be wrong.

Er, what?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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What do Gillette define as real men?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Mick Mannock wrote:
BokJock wrote:
I am f**king outraged, this will be the end of MANkind as we know it! PC gone made! Feminazis and SJW's have taken over the world!

A little bullying, misogyny and stiff upper lip is how Brittania ruled the waves. How dare we try put an end these traditions we hold so dear. How will the "different" kid grow stronger if they are not beaten up everyday, how will women know if they have done a good job unless they are touched inappropriately in the work place.

When we can put an end to this assault on our masculinity that we have faced for the last TWO years. Thank god we have male rights activists fighting against the oppression that I face on a daily basis.

Piers Morgan is on my side on this so I can't be wrong.

Er, what?


I thought this was the thread where we manufacture fake outrage about a razor commercial, no?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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This ad should be judged, like others, on sales and share price.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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BokJock wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
BokJock wrote:
I am f**king outraged, this will be the end of MANkind as we know it! PC gone made! Feminazis and SJW's have taken over the world!

A little bullying, misogyny and stiff upper lip is how Brittania ruled the waves. How dare we try put an end these traditions we hold so dear. How will the "different" kid grow stronger if they are not beaten up everyday, how will women know if they have done a good job unless they are touched inappropriately in the work place.

When we can put an end to this assault on our masculinity that we have faced for the last TWO years. Thank god we have male rights activists fighting against the oppression that I face on a daily basis.

Piers Morgan is on my side on this so I can't be wrong.

Er, what?


I thought this was the thread where we manufacture fake outrage about a razor commercial, no?

You did well then


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Mick Mannock wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
BokJock wrote:
I am f**king outraged, this will be the end of MANkind as we know it! PC gone made! Feminazis and SJW's have taken over the world!

A little bullying, misogyny and stiff upper lip is how Brittania ruled the waves. How dare we try put an end these traditions we hold so dear. How will the "different" kid grow stronger if they are not beaten up everyday, how will women know if they have done a good job unless they are touched inappropriately in the work place.

When we can put an end to this assault on our masculinity that we have faced for the last TWO years. Thank god we have male rights activists fighting against the oppression that I face on a daily basis.

Piers Morgan is on my side on this so I can't be wrong.

Er, what?


I thought this was the thread where we manufacture fake outrage about a razor commercial, no?

You did well then


:thumbup: :smug:


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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eldanielfire wrote:
Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.

And yet there are those who demand 16 yo's should get the vote


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I wasn't even aware of this ad until this thread, so the ad campaign has worked as we wouldn't be talking about it if it was just the usual pish from them.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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eldanielfire wrote:
Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.

So you disagree with the message of the ad?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I wasn't even aware of this ad until this thread, so the ad campaign has worked as we wouldn't be talking about it if it was just the usual pish from them.

It works if it increases profit above the cost of the ad.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Mick Mannock wrote:
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I wasn't even aware of this ad until this thread, so the ad campaign has worked as we wouldn't be talking about it if it was just the usual pish from them.

It works if it increases profit above the cost of the ad.


Doesn't even necessarily need to be that for the big brands, it's about keeping them in people's conscious.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Mick Mannock wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.

And yet there are those who demand 16 yo's should get the vote


Because there are no ads targeted at the gullibility of 35 -70 year olds?!?


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Lorthern Nights wrote:
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I wasn't even aware of this ad until this thread, so the ad campaign has worked as we wouldn't be talking about it if it was just the usual pish from them.

It works if it increases profit above the cost of the ad.


Doesn't even necessarily need to be that for the big brands, it's about keeping them in people's conscious.

They cannot do that indefinitely


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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BokJock wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.

And yet there are those who demand 16 yo's should get the vote


Because there are no ads targeted at the gullibility of 35 -70 year olds?!?

Which ones do you have in mind?


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Mick Mannock wrote:
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Mick Mannock wrote:
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I wasn't even aware of this ad until this thread, so the ad campaign has worked as we wouldn't be talking about it if it was just the usual pish from them.

It works if it increases profit above the cost of the ad.


Doesn't even necessarily need to be that for the big brands, it's about keeping them in people's conscious.

They cannot do that indefinitely


Well they don't necessarily need to increase profits, maintain or even manage profit erosion can be equally valid for ad campaigns. Sure they can't continue running the business down indefinitely but there is a lot more to it than just ad campaigns and the return or otherwise they give.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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etherman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.

So you disagree with the message of the ad?


There was no comment there on the message of the ad, just what motivated Proctor and Gamble's marketing department. Probably saw the massive free publicity Nike got from their recent campaign.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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I actually don't see a problem with the ad. Have you watched it?


Yes I have. It matters little if you or I have a problem with it.

Woah dude that’s so not cool. Toxic masculinity. What if young boys were reading his bad example.


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I am not convinced that Gillette intended to have such an overwhelming negative response to an ad for shaving products.

Are you dim


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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a friend says typing 'gillette' into the search function on various Porn sites yields some interesting movie clips :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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Mick Mannock wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.

And yet there are those who demand 16 yo's should get the vote


Because there are no ads targeted at the gullibility of 35 -70 year olds?!?

Which ones do you have in mind?


Payday lenders to gambling sites to new fad workout equipment to miracle cleaning products - take your pick.

the point being, there are huge swathes of really dumb older people that get to vote too - in Britain at least, you can serve in the forces at 16 so you should get the vote at 16.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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BokJock wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Tim Pool had a good term for the current trend in advertising it's called "feel bad liberalism" because there's so much SJW bollocks going around companies are simply cynically taking advantage of middle class millennials who have been drilled into their head about white privilege and other distorted bollocks. It's a way to make them part their money by feeling they are doing something good or just guilting it away.

Basically cynical greedy company works cynically to exploit the young and stupid shocker. It's as it's always been.

And yet there are those who demand 16 yo's should get the vote


Because there are no ads targeted at the gullibility of 35 -70 year olds?!?

Which ones do you have in mind?


Payday lenders to gambling sites to new fad workout equipment to miracle cleaning products - take your pick.

the point being, there are huge swathes of really dumb older people that get to vote too - in Britain at least, you can serve in the forces at 16 so you should get the vote at 16.

Those 16 year olds are no different to other 16 year olds in full time employment or education.


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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You all know there is a nuanced take that is possible in this, right?

The Guardian writer Ally Fogg lays it out quite well on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/allyfogg/status/108 ... 57952?s=21


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You all know there is a nuanced take that is possible in this, right?

The Guardian writer Ally Fogg lays it out quite well on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/allyfogg/status/108 ... 57952?s=21



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Putting aside the message of the ad, the clarity of message of the collective online reaction is palpable - it screams "do not dare to criticise our behaviour or challenge us to change" & that reaction can go swivel. >


Talk about missing the point


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 Post subject: Re: Gillette
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It seems to be annoying the sort of people who are very quick to accuse others of being "snowflakes"

For that reason, it must be brilliant :thumbup:


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