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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:03 pm 
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Normally I read her articles to enjoy the warmth of righteous indignation flowing through my veins by the end of her second sentence of complete self-centred and divisive clap-trap. However, her general point in this article is spot-on. We need to be aware of our own propaganda particularly when we tilt at that of others, even Putin's obvious PR machine.

In terms of the Darkest Hour and its colouring of Churchill as a lover of hoi polloi, that is wilfully inaccurate and caused a fred of its own on this bored, I think.


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Normally I read her articles to enjoy the warmth of righteous indignation flowing through my veins by the end of her second sentence of complete self-centred and divisive clap-trap. However, her general point in this article is spot-on. We need to be aware of our own propaganda particularly when we tilt at that of others, even Putin's obvious PR machine.

In terms of the Darkest Hour and its colouring of Churchill as a lover of hoi polloi, that is wilfully inaccurate and caused a fred of its own on this bored, I think.


She meets the alt-right in her view of the tube scene in the Darkest Hour. They weren't outraged, just confused as to why the writers felt the need to include it. It didn't seem to have a point, which made it stand out all the more for the rubbish it was.

Agreed - this was by no means her worst work.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:23 pm 
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Normally I read her articles to enjoy the warmth of righteous indignation flowing through my veins by the end of her second sentence of complete self-centred and divisive clap-trap. However, her general point in this article is spot-on. We need to be aware of our own propaganda particularly when we tilt at that of others, even Putin's obvious PR machine.

In terms of the Darkest Hour and its colouring of Churchill as a lover of hoi polloi, that is wilfully inaccurate and caused a fred of its own on this bored, I think.


She meets the alt-right in her view of the tube scene in the Darkest Hour. They weren't outraged, just confused as to why the writers felt the need to include it. It didn't seem to have a point, which made it stand out all the more for the rubbish it was.

Agreed - this was by no means her worst work.


It wasn't, that is true. The tube scene was ridiculous.

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Churchill has been rebranded as a tube-travelling, minority-adoring genius, in line with a general understanding of him as “the greatest Briton of all time”.


I do not think this is correct. It is quite clear in the film that Churchill had no experience of tube travel, nor did the scene suggest he adored minorities. There is also no general understanding of him being "the greatest Briton of all time" of which I am aware. Other than some BBC TV poll in 2002.

She simply made this up in that sneery way that she has.

I will not be watching her upcoming documentary.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:32 am 
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Woddy wrote:
Normally I read her articles to enjoy the warmth of righteous indignation flowing through my veins by the end of her second sentence of complete self-centred and divisive clap-trap. However, her general point in this article is spot-on. We need to be aware of our own propaganda particularly when we tilt at that of others, even Putin's obvious PR machine.

In terms of the Darkest Hour and its colouring of Churchill as a lover of hoi polloi, that is wilfully inaccurate and caused a fred of its own on this bored, I think.


She meets the alt-right in her view of the tube scene in the Darkest Hour. They weren't outraged, just confused as to why the writers felt the need to include it. It didn't seem to have a point, which made it stand out all the more for the rubbish it was.

Agreed - this was by no means her worst work.


It wasn't, that is true. The tube scene was ridiculous.

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Churchill has been rebranded as a tube-travelling, minority-adoring genius, in line with a general understanding of him as “the greatest Briton of all time”.


I do not think this is correct. It is quite clear in the film that Churchill had no experience of tube travel, nor did the scene suggest he adored minorities. There is also no general understanding of him being "the greatest Briton of all time" of which I am aware. Other than some BBC TV poll in 2002.

She simply made this up in that sneery way that she has.

I will not be watching her upcoming documentary.



I disagree. Both before and after Churchill has long been regarded as one or our greatest leader/Brition/PM widely.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:22 pm 
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Well that didn't take long

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Winnie Mandela was a hero. If she’d been white, there would be no debate


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/winnie-mandela-hero-white-protest-apartheid


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Well that didn't take long

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Winnie Mandela was a hero. If she’d been white, there would be no debate


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/winnie-mandela-hero-white-protest-apartheid


AF is an odious twat. Comments closed early once more.

She even managed to reference Churchill, a standard Guardian ploy.

She needs sacking


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:40 pm 
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Winnie Mandela was a hero. If she’d been white, there would be no debate


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/winnie-mandela-hero-white-protest-apartheid


I could easily envisage Afua presiding over the necklacing of her enemies. I doubt there is much she wouldn't do in the name of her hate. A terrifying woman and a portent of things to come.


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Mother of the Nation or Evil Stepmother of the Nation?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:19 pm 
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The Guardian rarely leaves its comments open for long these days.

They employ utter deadbeats to write opinion pieces, often missing the mark by a wide margin.

Lazy, lazy writers
Hirsch
Moore
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Their latest contributor is Tuju Adisa-Farrar
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... pen-letter


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"Teju Adisa-Farrar is an urban geographer, writer and poet." Of course.


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Good article, may find someone's been cutting onions near you though.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... -114380341


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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/he ... 01346.html

There is a wee bit of a point buried in there (i.e. the relatives of the dead man have a right to grieve even if he was a burglar), but by going right over the top then down the other side it is completely lost in the hyperbole.

Assuming I am not being over generous of course, it may just be as mental as it seems.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/henry-vincent-burglar-tributes-pensioner-kill-home-london-crime-police-a8301346.html

There is a wee bit of a point buried in there (i.e. the relatives of the dead man have a right to grieve even if he was a burglar), but by going right over the top then down the other side it is completely lost in the hyperbole.

Assuming I am not being over generous of course, it may just be as mental as it seems.


Mark Steel innit. Thick as shit and funny as cock cancer.


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I'm surprised no one posted this from everyone's favourite baby-faced, whiny twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... a-politics


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I'm surprised no one posted this from everyone's favourite baby-faced, whiny twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... a-politics


Why does this wee gobshite get any airtime, he seems to be a self proclaimed expert on everything and is barely out of nappies which also explains the bollocks he spouts?


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I see Historic England (the organisation that used to be called English Heritage) has invited everyone's favourite Guardian Columnist Afua Hirsch to propose the destruction of various historic monuments, including Nelson's Column:

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/revere-or-remove-the-battle-over-statues-heritage-and-history/


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Deserves to be in this company. The Christian Right’s creepy infiltration of New York through the noxious use of fried chicken.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-gastronomy/chick-fil-as-creepy-infiltration-of-new-york-city/amp


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Lobby wrote:
I see Historic England (the organisation that used to be called English Heritage) has invited everyone's favourite Guardian Columnist Afua Hirsch to propose the destruction of various historic monuments, including Nelson's Column:

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/revere-or-remove-the-battle-over-statues-heritage-and-history/


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These are the history wars we are having…Statues have become lightning rods for a struggle we are going to have to have about our history


Fucking scum.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Lobby wrote:
I see Historic England (the organisation that used to be called English Heritage) has invited everyone's favourite Guardian Columnist Afua Hirsch to propose the destruction of various historic monuments, including Nelson's Column:

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/revere-or-remove-the-battle-over-statues-heritage-and-history/


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These are the history wars we are having…Statues have become lightning rods for a struggle we are going to have to have about our history


Fucking scum.


It's only "our" history when it suits


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She's back.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... own-people


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What's wrong with the article?


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Dobbin wrote:
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Lobby wrote:
I see Historic England (the organisation that used to be called English Heritage) has invited everyone's favourite Guardian Columnist Afua Hirsch to propose the destruction of various historic monuments, including Nelson's Column:

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/revere-or-remove-the-battle-over-statues-heritage-and-history/


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These are the history wars we are having…Statues have become lightning rods for a struggle we are going to have to have about our history


Fucking scum.


It's only "our" history when it suits

Nice balanced panel discussing it as well.

I'm pretty damn moderate, but it's getting silly now. I may have lost a couple of old friends tonight by simply saying that corbyn may not be the pm this country needs.

Vitriol spouted for about 10 mins from people who own a 1.2m house and a rental flat worth about 600k.


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not an article, but quite funny to see how many mumsnetters are giving up on the gaurdian, the replacement of choice seems to be the Times :lol:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rig ... cotting-it

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Yup. Gave up the Guardian ages ago. Full of brocialists who couldn't give a shit about women as long as they can virtue signal in peace.

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I grew up with the Guardian and I loved the women's page. But it's come a long way from its feminist past - pure brocialism. With the honourable exception of Hadley they mostly only seem to give space to women writers who know our place at the bottom of the heap. Cologne was a disgrace, as was the recent coverage of the transwoman prisoner.
Times and Telegraph have a stronger stable of feminist writers and a stronger commitment to representing women even if there are also some awful old sexists in there.

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The Guardian began morphing into a vacuous, smug, decadently complacent comment-fest a long while ago, relying on self righteously writing about right wing folk devils. I blame political tribalism. Even when Labour were In government the Guardian would never challenge the party line on women’s issues.

It like losing an old friend, it was our family newspaper for decades. But the Guardian really has changed, CIF comment section is a cesspit and literally anyone and their dog can be commissioned to write a CIF article. I think that crowdsourced vibe is what brought the newspaper itself into trouble as it got less newsy and more commenty and CIF-like in content.


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not an article, but quite funny to see how many mumsnetters are giving up on the gaurdian, the replacement of choice seems to be the Times :lol:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rig ... cotting-it

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Yup. Gave up the Guardian ages ago. Full of brocialists who couldn't give a shit about women as long as they can virtue signal in peace.

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I grew up with the Guardian and I loved the women's page. But it's come a long way from its feminist past - pure brocialism. With the honourable exception of Hadley they mostly only seem to give space to women writers who know our place at the bottom of the heap. Cologne was a disgrace, as was the recent coverage of the transwoman prisoner.
Times and Telegraph have a stronger stable of feminist writers and a stronger commitment to representing women even if there are also some awful old sexists in there.

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The Guardian began morphing into a vacuous, smug, decadently complacent comment-fest a long while ago, relying on self righteously writing about right wing folk devils. I blame political tribalism. Even when Labour were In government the Guardian would never challenge the party line on women’s issues.

It like losing an old friend, it was our family newspaper for decades. But the Guardian really has changed, CIF comment section is a cesspit and literally anyone and their dog can be commissioned to write a CIF article. I think that crowdsourced vibe is what brought the newspaper itself into trouble as it got less newsy and more commenty and CIF-like in content.


The Times has always been a quality paper though. Probably the nearest to being centralist as possible, only tainted by Murdoch's association. I miss it when it went behind a paywall. It was commonly a moderating voice of the political extremes.

As for the comments, I don't blame them. A fair bit of the nu-left wing meta isn't particularly friendly to women themselves beyond virtual signalling and demands societies trends become just like the men's regardless of what women want.


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Boobs not Moobs wrote:


What's wrong with the article?



Its a pile of dross.
No one is forced to join the Commonwealth, Its a voluntary organisation, so thats most of her argument out the window.

The idea that PLC's investing in countries somehow "control" the resources of a country is just more bullshit. British companies have many many more trillions invested in Europe and USA but no one is going to make an argument that somehow they control key resources in those regions. (No mention of the Chinese investment and control in Africa)

As for bringing up slavery reparations. LOL

All in all just a collection of crap that she constantly spouts.


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not an article, but quite funny to see how many mumsnetters are giving up on the gaurdian, the replacement of choice seems to be the Times :lol:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rig ... cotting-it

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Yup. Gave up the Guardian ages ago. Full of brocialists who couldn't give a shit about women as long as they can virtue signal in peace.

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I grew up with the Guardian and I loved the women's page. But it's come a long way from its feminist past - pure brocialism. With the honourable exception of Hadley they mostly only seem to give space to women writers who know our place at the bottom of the heap. Cologne was a disgrace, as was the recent coverage of the transwoman prisoner.
Times and Telegraph have a stronger stable of feminist writers and a stronger commitment to representing women even if there are also some awful old sexists in there.

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The Guardian began morphing into a vacuous, smug, decadently complacent comment-fest a long while ago, relying on self righteously writing about right wing folk devils. I blame political tribalism. Even when Labour were In government the Guardian would never challenge the party line on women’s issues.

It like losing an old friend, it was our family newspaper for decades. But the Guardian really has changed, CIF comment section is a cesspit and literally anyone and their dog can be commissioned to write a CIF article. I think that crowdsourced vibe is what brought the newspaper itself into trouble as it got less newsy and more commenty and CIF-like in content.

You dont think they might be aiming a little at Owen Jones :lol: :lol:


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Back of the net...

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/apr/24/slaver-invader-tour-guide-ugly-truth-empire-uncomfortable-art-tours-alice-procter


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I so want to go on this.


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Ramming Speed wrote:

From the BTL comments; ''Sorry Alice, Afua Hirsch has cornered the one eyed, post modernist claptrap, revisionist history postion at the G.
Good effort though.''


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From the BTL comments; ''Sorry Alice, Afua Hirsch has cornered the one eyed, post modernist claptrap, revisionist history postion at the G.
Good effort though.''


Some total idiot wrote:
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To be fair the bloke who penned the piece treated the subject with about as much derision as one could expect from The Guardian.


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This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.


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This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.

What is this invading force you talk about?


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.

What is this invading force you talk about?


I thought it was pretty clear: third world cognitive elites.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
c69 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.

What is this invading force you talk about?


I thought it was pretty clear: third world cognitive elites.

Not seen any in my neck of the woods.
What do you mean by third world? By ancestry or birth or both?


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c69 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
c69 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.

What is this invading force you talk about?


I thought it was pretty clear: third world cognitive elites.

Not seen any in my neck of the woods.
What do you mean by third world? By ancestry or birth or both?


Where do you live?


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
c69 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.

What is this invading force you talk about?


I thought it was pretty clear: third world cognitive elites.

Will there be Rivers of blood?


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
c69 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
c69 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.

What is this invading force you talk about?


I thought it was pretty clear: third world cognitive elites.

Not seen any in my neck of the woods.
What do you mean by third world? By ancestry or birth or both?


Where do you live?

In a sleepy seaside town ooop North.


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Special prize for wishful thinking. This is the second story on the site now.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/01/mcstrike-mcdonalds-workers-walk-out-over-zero-hours-contracts

11 workers striking out of 120,000. Less than 0.01%


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