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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:17 am 
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... od-culture

Jussie Smollett shows why we are intolerant of victims. I mean didn't he garner lost of sympathy when people thought he was assaulted?


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Apparently a film, The Green Book, about the friendship in racist times between a black and white dude winning a the bets picture Oscar and the black actor winning an acting one undermines the awards being full of diversity and progressive. I shit you not!

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https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/25/green-books-victory-undoes-the-conspicuous-diversity-of-this-years-oscars

Apparently a film, The Green Book, about the friendship in racist times between a black and white dude winning a the bets picture Oscar and the black actor winning an acting one undermines the awards being full of diversity and progressive. I shit you not!

The comments are a joy.


Closing for comments soon. There's a surprise.


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Considering the UK press includes the remarkably informative and unbiased fonts of erudition: The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, The Sun, The Express, The Daily Star, and even The Times; which could never reasonably be accused of following an explicit or even the same political and social agenda, why is there a thread here dedicated to the perceived foibles of the Guardian?


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Raison D'etre wrote:
Considering the UK press includes the remarkably informative and unbiased fonts of erudition: The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, The Sun, The Express, The Daily Star, and even The Times; which could never reasonably be accused of following an explicit or even the same political and social agenda, why is there a thread here dedicated to the perceived foibles of the Guardian?


Because there is a certain side to the Guardian where it like to sit in judgement and high mindedness of everything and everyone around it while simultaneously engaging in hypocrticial and ridiculous overtly opinion and life style in some kind of cult like following for the well-off. It's cupcake fascism. It's not as if 'Peak' Guardian observations are unique to the PR Forums. There have been internet pages for years highlight the ridiculous, often double standard of it's claimed liberal values coupled with a passive aggressive fascism of opposing everything.


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Considering the UK press includes the remarkably informative and unbiased fonts of erudition: The Daily Mail, The Daily Telegraph, The Sun, The Express, The Daily Star, and even The Times; which could never reasonably be accused of following an explicit or even the same political and social agenda, why is there a thread here dedicated to the perceived foibles of the Guardian?


Because there is a certain side to the Guardian where it like to sit in judgement and high mindedness of everything and everyone around it while simultaneously engaging in hypocrticial and ridiculous overtly opinion and life style in some kind of cult like following for the well-off. It's cupcake fascism. It's not as if 'Peak' Guardian observations are unique to the PR Forums. There have been internet pages for years highlight the ridiculous, often double standard of it's claimed liberal values coupled with a passive aggressive fascism of opposing everything.

.........and because that nasty piece of work Owen Jones writes for them. He's just as bad in his own way as the Littlejohn's, Moirs, Vines, Johnsons etc.


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So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


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It's almost as if the Grauniad is aware of the clickbaitery quality of so many of it's opinion pieces.


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Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:

You sound just like a Guardian writer!

You could start a Peak Mail (I expect you call it the Hate or Wail or Fail) thread if you like.


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Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:



You're much more likely to get an Oxbridge/privately educated writer at the Gaurdian.


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Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


Nah, taking the piss out of the Guardian and it's particular flavour of double standards which comes over as ridiculous doesn't mean we are endorsing other hate-filled rags.


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It's almost as if the Grauniad is aware of the clickbaitery quality of so many of it's opinion pieces.


Some are clearly cynically put together, but it's also obvious many are not. Even meeting some 'journalists' in real life, they clearly do live in their own bubble and believe what they write.


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By far the best thread I ever started :lol:


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By far the best thread I ever started :lol:


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Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


Can you share with us the relative liberalism of the Guardian over the Telegraph? Serious question.

To be honest, you sound like a Guardian reader who's feeling triggered by this thread's mockery of the right-on, bien pensants clickbait that pervades this 'broadsheet'.
Perhaps create an alternative one for whichever periodical you dislike the most and you can invite the nutters from the Brexit thread over for an open minded discussion.


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eldanielfire wrote:
Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


Nah, taking the piss out of the Guardian and it's particular flavour of double standards which comes over as ridiculous doesn't mean we are endorsing other hate-filled rags.


Pretty much this.

For example, they have long criticised zero hour contracts while their very own offices were serviced by cleaning companies that operate zero hour contracts.

They will shame sharp employment practises while their very own freelance journalists are required to take an enforced work breaks once a year so they do not qualify for any additional workers rights.

They lament the practice of unpaid internships at Westminster as being the preserve of of the rich middle class kids who can afford to work extended periods for free while offering unpaid internships themselves or being guilty of rampant nepotism with their own offspring.

They will criticise the likes of vodafone, amazon and facebook for tax avoidance when the Guardians own parent company is based in the Caymen Islands.

etc etc

The paper is capable of some excellent journalism but that is often overshadowed by their own smug self righteousness and hypocrisy.


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danny_fitz wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


Nah, taking the piss out of the Guardian and it's particular flavour of double standards which comes over as ridiculous doesn't mean we are endorsing other hate-filled rags.


Pretty much this.

For example, they have long criticised zero hour contracts while their very own offices were serviced by cleaning companies that operate zero hour contracts.

They will shame sharp employment practises while their very own freelance journalists are required to take an enforced work breaks once a year so they do not qualify for any additional workers rights.

They lament the practice of unpaid internships at Westminster as being the preserve of of the rich middle class kids who can afford to work extended periods for free while offering unpaid internships themselves or being guilty of rampant nepotism with their own offspring.

They will criticise the likes of vodafone, amazon and facebook for tax avoidance when the Guardians own parent company is based in the Caymen Islands.

etc etc

The paper is capable of some excellent journalism but that is often overshadowed by their own smug self righteousness and hypocrisy.


You've just reminded me of Max Gogerty, the poor sod.


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inactionman wrote:
danny_fitz wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


Nah, taking the piss out of the Guardian and it's particular flavour of double standards which comes over as ridiculous doesn't mean we are endorsing other hate-filled rags.


Pretty much this.

For example, they have long criticised zero hour contracts while their very own offices were serviced by cleaning companies that operate zero hour contracts.

They will shame sharp employment practises while their very own freelance journalists are required to take an enforced work breaks once a year so they do not qualify for any additional workers rights.

They lament the practice of unpaid internships at Westminster as being the preserve of of the rich middle class kids who can afford to work extended periods for free while offering unpaid internships themselves or being guilty of rampant nepotism with their own offspring.

They will criticise the likes of vodafone, amazon and facebook for tax avoidance when the Guardians own parent company is based in the Caymen Islands.

etc etc

The paper is capable of some excellent journalism but that is often overshadowed by their own smug self righteousness and hypocrisy.


You've just reminded me of Max Gogerty, the poor sod.


That was brutal how he was chewed up and spat out.


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He’s pretty successful at Vice now so he came out of it fine afaik.

Edit, here he is, a commissioner at BBC. https://twitter.com/maxgogs

Not doing too badly at all.


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He's successful at The Beeb now.


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danny_fitz wrote:
inactionman wrote:
danny_fitz wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


Nah, taking the piss out of the Guardian and it's particular flavour of double standards which comes over as ridiculous doesn't mean we are endorsing other hate-filled rags.


Pretty much this.

For example, they have long criticised zero hour contracts while their very own offices were serviced by cleaning companies that operate zero hour contracts.

They will shame sharp employment practises while their very own freelance journalists are required to take an enforced work breaks once a year so they do not qualify for any additional workers rights.

They lament the practice of unpaid internships at Westminster as being the preserve of of the rich middle class kids who can afford to work extended periods for free while offering unpaid internships themselves or being guilty of rampant nepotism with their own offspring.

They will criticise the likes of vodafone, amazon and facebook for tax avoidance when the Guardians own parent company is based in the Caymen Islands.

etc etc

The paper is capable of some excellent journalism but that is often overshadowed by their own smug self righteousness and hypocrisy.


You've just reminded me of Max Gogerty, the poor sod.


That was brutal how he was chewed up and spat out.


I'll admit to feeling some sense of satisfaction at the comeuppance when he was first called out, but over the next few days any sort of proportion seemed to fly out of the window.


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He’s pretty successful at Vice now so he came out of it fine afaik.

Edit, here he is, a commissioner at BBC. https://twitter.com/maxgogs

Not doing too badly at all.



Of course, as the Guardian incident showed his family was well connected in the press industry.


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eldanielfire wrote:
Raison D'etre wrote:
So what you're saying is the fascistic illiberal, intolerant and bigoted views and the selective printing of news that suit a comparable narrative are perfectly ok providing they're overt propaganda but not if there's a stink of liberal elite hypocrisy about them? Its nice to know that in the court of public opinion good old-fashioned mainstream middle-England salt-of-the-earth bigotry and hate, invariably written and packaged by Oxbridge/privately educated elites to play to the plebs gallery, can get off scot free.

I agree on Owen Jones though :nod:


Nah, taking the piss out of the Guardian and it's particular flavour of double standards which comes over as ridiculous doesn't mean we are endorsing other hate-filled rags.


Pretty much this.

For example, they have long criticised zero hour contracts while their very own offices were serviced by cleaning companies that operate zero hour contracts.

They will shame sharp employment practises while their very own freelance journalists are required to take an enforced work breaks once a year so they do not qualify for any additional workers rights.

They lament the practice of unpaid internships at Westminster as being the preserve of of the rich middle class kids who can afford to work extended periods for free while offering unpaid internships themselves or being guilty of rampant nepotism with their own offspring.

They will criticise the likes of vodafone, amazon and facebook for tax avoidance when the Guardians own parent company is based in the Caymen Islands.

etc etc

The paper is capable of some excellent journalism but that is often overshadowed by their own smug self righteousness and hypocrisy.



You forgot relentlessly criticising the elitism of the public school sector and lack of diversity in Oxbridge admissions, while at the same time flashing the cash to send their own children to best of those very same schools to ensure they get into those very same universities.


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eldanielfire wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/25/green-books-victory-undoes-the-conspicuous-diversity-of-this-years-oscars

Apparently a film, The Green Book, about the friendship in racist times between a black and white dude winning a the bets picture Oscar and the black actor winning an acting one undermines the awards being full of diversity and progressive. I shit you not!

The comments are a joy.


I got called a racist on there once because I said I didn't rate the film "black panther". I couldn't believe it. I don't like any superhero films, including all marvel with all their white characters. I thought that was pretty peak guardian.


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eldanielfire wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/25/green-books-victory-undoes-the-conspicuous-diversity-of-this-years-oscars

Apparently a film, The Green Book, about the friendship in racist times between a black and white dude winning a the bets picture Oscar and the black actor winning an acting one undermines the awards being full of diversity and progressive. I shit you not!

The comments are a joy.


I got called a racist on there once because I said I didn't rate the film "black panther". I couldn't believe it. I don't like any superhero films, including all marvel with all their white characters. I thought that was pretty peak guardian.


What, the Guardian itself called you racist?

I also fucken hate super hero movies (apart from Deadpool) so I guess I'm a racist also.


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I spent three days making the smoked watermelon ham – but at what cost?

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/m ... -what-cost


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I spent three days making the smoked watermelon ham – but at what cost?

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/m ... -what-cost

Damn you. I just saw that headline and thought immediately of this thread.


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The Guardian: Stop making fun of us.

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Various right-leaning commentators have been thoroughly delighted by the arrival of Woke, a speedy cash-in by comedian and writer Andrew Doyle, who created the character of Titania McGrath to poke fun at what he calls the “hyper-inclusive” identity politics that especially flourishes on Twitter. Unsurprisingly, what that version of identity politics mainly comes down to is discussions of race and gender and, despite all the gags and folderol, it’s little more sophisticated than the familiar howl of those who never shut up: “Aren’t I allowed to say anything any more?”

Like all such inventions, Tits operates according to the law of diminishing returns: you laugh at first, but quickly realise she’s no Dorothy Parker. You begin to suspect that the comedy is secondary to the grinding axe, which matters not a whit if you’ve already been persuaded to part with your £12.99 by such high-profile fans as Sarah Vine.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, by which I mean the theatre of the absurd, real people said real things and then attempted to persuade us that they didn’t really mean them. Karen Bradley, secretary of state for Northern Ireland, didn’t mean to say that security forces had committed no crimes during the Troubles, despite an ongoing investigation into the possibility of prosecuting agents of the state in relation to the Bloody Sunday killings. The home secretary, Amber Rudd, didn’t mean to refer to Diane Abbott as “a coloured woman” while defending her, and other women of colour, against the kind of rampant abuse Abbott suffers.

We seem to dislike this obvious information. When Margaret Beckett appeared on Question Time last week she was roundly booed for pointing out that Brexit will have consequences and that the electorate might wish to comment on them by means of a second vote; a second vote that you don’t have to support to find that reaction weird and disproportionate.

We’re not, currently, keen on proportionality. We’re keen on bad faith (you), good faith (me), finding out who we don’t agree with and cancelling them, yanking off their masks to reveal the villain beneath. The left say the right do it, the right say the left do it, and they all use the bizarre language of gammons, melts, snowflakes, elites. It doesn’t get us much further than the temporary glow of self-praise, and it certainly doesn’t get us off the bus to hell.


https://amp.theguardian.com/culture/201 ... ssion=true


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Perhaps not peak Guardian, but a decent effort nonetheless

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/12/birthstrikers-meet-the-women-who-refuse-to-have-children-until-climate-change-ends


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Bet they'll have lots of cats though.

Climate will keep changing until the Sun goes cold.


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Another victory for Darwin-Wallace


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??? Will anybody really care? Or change their behaviour because of this?


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??? Will anybody really care? Or change their behaviour because of this?


I think that article actively encouraged people to pollute more.


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??? Will anybody really care? Or change their behaviour because of this?

No


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The anti-peak Guardian?

A Guardian journalist/columnist just tweeted that her prior claims in support of Trans-women being called women was her "pretending" she believed in it. Mostly horrified at the way the trans lobby has treated women who disagree with them.

https://twitter.com/DeborahJaneOrr/stat ... 8253101056

The original article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ale-enough

Rare that a political columnist changes their views, even rarer for one to state "I no longer pretend to believe...."


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -128411184

Roger Scruton is not the victim of a leftwing witch-hunt. Here’s why
Zoe Williams gets a kicking in the comments section.


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We must have more articles by BAME authors on the biochemistry curriculum. It’s good for everyone.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/may/02/as-a-black-student-i-know-why-our-grades-are-worse-universities-dont-listen-to-us


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Maybe this has already been covered, but I thought this was a classic humourlessly PC review of a popcorn movie:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/apr/30/avengers-endgame-cinema-fat-shaming

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But here I am, the morning after seeing Avengers: Endgame, and I am still shocked, angry and hurt.


FFS. These people are a parody.


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BAME includes Asians who I seriously doubt are not getting decent marks. The gap according to the author is 13% and that's due to racism. I doubt she is after a PhD in statistics.


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The anti-peak Guardian?

A Guardian journalist/columnist just tweeted that her prior claims in support of Trans-women being called women was her "pretending" she believed in it. Mostly horrified at the way the trans lobby has treated women who disagree with them.

https://twitter.com/DeborahJaneOrr/stat ... 8253101056

The original article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ale-enough

Rare that a political columnist changes their views, even rarer for one to state "I no longer pretend to believe...."


I signed my missus up for the Channel 4 app last night and when it came to gender I clicked on the drop down and to my hilarity, because I am a dick, it had all the binary/trans/ non binary trans binary lads listed. Gave my white male face a right chuckle


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