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Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:36 pm
by Zakar
eldanielfire wrote:
Mick Mannock wrote:
I see they continue to peddle the bullshit
In the past few weeks, two of her interviews have gone viral, with unpleasant results; the first with Jordan Peterson, a controversial Canadian psychologist who has attracted a following among the “alt-right”, the second with Max Mosley, recently exposed for publishing a racist campaign leaflet in the 60s. While a grotesque level of trolling has become a standard part of her job, these two interviews resulted in a heightened spew of unfettered misogyny and abuse online. She even received death threats following her interview with Peterson, and Channel 4 called in security experts.
Hasn't Peterson pointed out he received more abuse then she did over that interview?
That seems hard to prove

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:54 pm
by Boobs not Moobs

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:02 pm
by Mick Mannock
Boobs not Moobs wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-net ... -diversity

Didn't last long
TG usually closes comments when not going well

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:54 pm
by eldanielfire
Boobs not Moobs wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-net ... -diversity

Didn't last long
"16% of new teachers are from a BAME background". So the perfect representation of BAME which is roughly 13% of the population? How on earth can you complain about that?

Virtual signallers and SJW idiots never understand maths.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:03 am
by bimboman
Sefton wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Boobs not Moobs wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-net ... -diversity

Didn't last long
"16% of new teachers are from a BAME background". So the perfect representation of BAME which is roughly 13% of the population? How on earth can you complain about that?

Virtual signallers and SJW idiots never understand maths.
:lol: :lol: Thankfully we have teachers with your high standards of edumication.

Says Mr P.E

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:02 am
by _fatprop
Not the Guardian, but it deserves a giggle

https://jezebel.com/french-activists-tr ... 1823923290

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:11 am
by DragsterDriver
Ramming Speed wrote:Mothers in Derry hand their kids over to paramilitaries for kneecapping. Britain's fault, obviously. Brexit is going to make it worse.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xit-border
:o

Mentalists!

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:16 am
by danny_fitz
_fatprop wrote:Not the Guardian, but it deserves a giggle

https://jezebel.com/french-activists-tr ... 1823923290
Lawmakers are considering a plea to shutter Xdolls, which opened last month in Paris and allows customers to rent a life-size sex doll for $109 an hour, according to the BBC.
I appreciate I might not be up to speed on the current market rates for procuring the services of a prostitute but they can't be much more then the cost of shagging the sex dolls in question.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:02 pm
by Mick Mannock
I do not understand why The Guardian uses any stuff by Afua Hirsch. No sooner is some of her drivel on the site, than comments are closed. Presumably because of the negative comments on her utter crap.

Today, she bangs on about Churchill

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -churchill

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:03 pm
by Woddy
Normally I read her articles to enjoy the warmth of righteous indignation flowing through my veins by the end of her second sentence of complete self-centred and divisive clap-trap. However, her general point in this article is spot-on. We need to be aware of our own propaganda particularly when we tilt at that of others, even Putin's obvious PR machine.

In terms of the Darkest Hour and its colouring of Churchill as a lover of hoi polloi, that is wilfully inaccurate and caused a fred of its own on this bored, I think.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:23 pm
by Mick Mannock
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Woddy wrote:Normally I read her articles to enjoy the warmth of righteous indignation flowing through my veins by the end of her second sentence of complete self-centred and divisive clap-trap. However, her general point in this article is spot-on. We need to be aware of our own propaganda particularly when we tilt at that of others, even Putin's obvious PR machine.

In terms of the Darkest Hour and its colouring of Churchill as a lover of hoi polloi, that is wilfully inaccurate and caused a fred of its own on this bored, I think.
She meets the alt-right in her view of the tube scene in the Darkest Hour. They weren't outraged, just confused as to why the writers felt the need to include it. It didn't seem to have a point, which made it stand out all the more for the rubbish it was.

Agreed - this was by no means her worst work.
It wasn't, that is true. The tube scene was ridiculous.

Hirsch wrote the following
Churchill has been rebranded as a tube-travelling, minority-adoring genius, in line with a general understanding of him as “the greatest Briton of all time”.
I do not think this is correct. It is quite clear in the film that Churchill had no experience of tube travel, nor did the scene suggest he adored minorities. There is also no general understanding of him being "the greatest Briton of all time" of which I am aware. Other than some BBC TV poll in 2002.

She simply made this up in that sneery way that she has.

I will not be watching her upcoming documentary.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:32 am
by eldanielfire
Mick Mannock wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Woddy wrote:Normally I read her articles to enjoy the warmth of righteous indignation flowing through my veins by the end of her second sentence of complete self-centred and divisive clap-trap. However, her general point in this article is spot-on. We need to be aware of our own propaganda particularly when we tilt at that of others, even Putin's obvious PR machine.

In terms of the Darkest Hour and its colouring of Churchill as a lover of hoi polloi, that is wilfully inaccurate and caused a fred of its own on this bored, I think.
She meets the alt-right in her view of the tube scene in the Darkest Hour. They weren't outraged, just confused as to why the writers felt the need to include it. It didn't seem to have a point, which made it stand out all the more for the rubbish it was.

Agreed - this was by no means her worst work.
It wasn't, that is true. The tube scene was ridiculous.

Hirsch wrote the following
Churchill has been rebranded as a tube-travelling, minority-adoring genius, in line with a general understanding of him as “the greatest Briton of all time”.
I do not think this is correct. It is quite clear in the film that Churchill had no experience of tube travel, nor did the scene suggest he adored minorities. There is also no general understanding of him being "the greatest Briton of all time" of which I am aware. Other than some BBC TV poll in 2002.

She simply made this up in that sneery way that she has.

I will not be watching her upcoming documentary.

I disagree. Both before and after Churchill has long been regarded as one or our greatest leader/Brition/PM widely.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:22 pm
by danny_fitz
Well that didn't take long
Winnie Mandela was a hero. If she’d been white, there would be no debate
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -apartheid

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:32 pm
by Mick Mannock
danny_fitz wrote:Well that didn't take long
Winnie Mandela was a hero. If she’d been white, there would be no debate
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -apartheid
AF is an odious twat. Comments closed early once more.

She even managed to reference Churchill, a standard Guardian ploy.

She needs sacking

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:44 am
by kiwinoz
Mother of the Nation or Evil Stepmother of the Nation?

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:19 pm
by Mick Mannock
The Guardian rarely leaves its comments open for long these days.

They employ utter deadbeats to write opinion pieces, often missing the mark by a wide margin.

Lazy, lazy writers
Hirsch
Moore
Jones

Their latest contributor is Tuju Adisa-Farrar
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... pen-letter

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:23 am
by Rowdy
"Teju Adisa-Farrar is an urban geographer, writer and poet." Of course.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:24 am
by Boobs not Moobs
Good article, may find someone's been cutting onions near you though.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... -114380341

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:15 pm
by Edinburgh01
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/he ... 01346.html

There is a wee bit of a point buried in there (i.e. the relatives of the dead man have a right to grieve even if he was a burglar), but by going right over the top then down the other side it is completely lost in the hyperbole.

Assuming I am not being over generous of course, it may just be as mental as it seems.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:59 pm
by zzzz
Edinburgh01 wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/he ... 01346.html

There is a wee bit of a point buried in there (i.e. the relatives of the dead man have a right to grieve even if he was a burglar), but by going right over the top then down the other side it is completely lost in the hyperbole.

Assuming I am not being over generous of course, it may just be as mental as it seems.
Mark Steel innit. Thick as shit and funny as cock cancer.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:28 pm
by fatcat
I'm surprised no one posted this from everyone's favourite baby-faced, whiny twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... a-politics

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:50 pm
by Lorthern Nights
fatcat wrote:I'm surprised no one posted this from everyone's favourite baby-faced, whiny twat.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... a-politics
Why does this wee gobshite get any airtime, he seems to be a self proclaimed expert on everything and is barely out of nappies which also explains the bollocks he spouts?

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:56 pm
by Lobby
I see Historic England (the organisation that used to be called English Heritage) has invited everyone's favourite Guardian Columnist Afua Hirsch to propose the destruction of various historic monuments, including Nelson's Column:

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/eve ... d-history/

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:49 pm
by Ramming Speed
Deserves to be in this company. The Christian Right’s creepy infiltration of New York through the noxious use of fried chicken.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newy ... k-city/amp

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:02 pm
by Dobbin
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Lobby wrote:I see Historic England (the organisation that used to be called English Heritage) has invited everyone's favourite Guardian Columnist Afua Hirsch to propose the destruction of various historic monuments, including Nelson's Column:

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/eve ... d-history/
These are the history wars we are having…Statues have become lightning rods for a struggle we are going to have to have about our history
Fucking scum.
It's only "our" history when it suits

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:27 pm
by Boobs not Moobs

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:54 pm
by flaggETERNAL
Boobs not Moobs wrote:She's back.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... own-people
What's wrong with the article?

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:02 am
by happyhooker
Dobbin wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Lobby wrote:I see Historic England (the organisation that used to be called English Heritage) has invited everyone's favourite Guardian Columnist Afua Hirsch to propose the destruction of various historic monuments, including Nelson's Column:

https://www.intelligencesquared.com/eve ... d-history/
These are the history wars we are having…Statues have become lightning rods for a struggle we are going to have to have about our history
Fucking scum.
It's only "our" history when it suits
Nice balanced panel discussing it as well.

I'm pretty damn moderate, but it's getting silly now. I may have lost a couple of old friends tonight by simply saying that corbyn may not be the pm this country needs.

Vitriol spouted for about 10 mins from people who own a 1.2m house and a rental flat worth about 600k.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:43 pm
by Akkerman
not an article, but quite funny to see how many mumsnetters are giving up on the gaurdian, the replacement of choice seems to be the Times :lol:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rig ... cotting-it
Yup. Gave up the Guardian ages ago. Full of brocialists who couldn't give a shit about women as long as they can virtue signal in peace.
I grew up with the Guardian and I loved the women's page. But it's come a long way from its feminist past - pure brocialism. With the honourable exception of Hadley they mostly only seem to give space to women writers who know our place at the bottom of the heap. Cologne was a disgrace, as was the recent coverage of the transwoman prisoner.
Times and Telegraph have a stronger stable of feminist writers and a stronger commitment to representing women even if there are also some awful old sexists in there.
The Guardian began morphing into a vacuous, smug, decadently complacent comment-fest a long while ago, relying on self righteously writing about right wing folk devils. I blame political tribalism. Even when Labour were In government the Guardian would never challenge the party line on women’s issues.

It like losing an old friend, it was our family newspaper for decades. But the Guardian really has changed, CIF comment section is a cesspit and literally anyone and their dog can be commissioned to write a CIF article. I think that crowdsourced vibe is what brought the newspaper itself into trouble as it got less newsy and more commenty and CIF-like in content.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:06 pm
by eldanielfire
Akkerman wrote:not an article, but quite funny to see how many mumsnetters are giving up on the gaurdian, the replacement of choice seems to be the Times :lol:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rig ... cotting-it
Yup. Gave up the Guardian ages ago. Full of brocialists who couldn't give a shit about women as long as they can virtue signal in peace.
I grew up with the Guardian and I loved the women's page. But it's come a long way from its feminist past - pure brocialism. With the honourable exception of Hadley they mostly only seem to give space to women writers who know our place at the bottom of the heap. Cologne was a disgrace, as was the recent coverage of the transwoman prisoner.
Times and Telegraph have a stronger stable of feminist writers and a stronger commitment to representing women even if there are also some awful old sexists in there.
The Guardian began morphing into a vacuous, smug, decadently complacent comment-fest a long while ago, relying on self righteously writing about right wing folk devils. I blame political tribalism. Even when Labour were In government the Guardian would never challenge the party line on women’s issues.

It like losing an old friend, it was our family newspaper for decades. But the Guardian really has changed, CIF comment section is a cesspit and literally anyone and their dog can be commissioned to write a CIF article. I think that crowdsourced vibe is what brought the newspaper itself into trouble as it got less newsy and more commenty and CIF-like in content.
The Times has always been a quality paper though. Probably the nearest to being centralist as possible, only tainted by Murdoch's association. I miss it when it went behind a paywall. It was commonly a moderating voice of the political extremes.

As for the comments, I don't blame them. A fair bit of the nu-left wing meta isn't particularly friendly to women themselves beyond virtual signalling and demands societies trends become just like the men's regardless of what women want.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:12 pm
by Glaston
flaggETERNAL wrote:
Boobs not Moobs wrote:She's back.....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... own-people
What's wrong with the article?

Its a pile of dross.
No one is forced to join the Commonwealth, Its a voluntary organisation, so thats most of her argument out the window.

The idea that PLC's investing in countries somehow "control" the resources of a country is just more bullshit. British companies have many many more trillions invested in Europe and USA but no one is going to make an argument that somehow they control key resources in those regions. (No mention of the Chinese investment and control in Africa)

As for bringing up slavery reparations. LOL

All in all just a collection of crap that she constantly spouts.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:16 pm
by Glaston
Akkerman wrote:not an article, but quite funny to see how many mumsnetters are giving up on the gaurdian, the replacement of choice seems to be the Times :lol:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rig ... cotting-it
Yup. Gave up the Guardian ages ago. Full of brocialists who couldn't give a shit about women as long as they can virtue signal in peace.
I grew up with the Guardian and I loved the women's page. But it's come a long way from its feminist past - pure brocialism. With the honourable exception of Hadley they mostly only seem to give space to women writers who know our place at the bottom of the heap. Cologne was a disgrace, as was the recent coverage of the transwoman prisoner.
Times and Telegraph have a stronger stable of feminist writers and a stronger commitment to representing women even if there are also some awful old sexists in there.
The Guardian began morphing into a vacuous, smug, decadently complacent comment-fest a long while ago, relying on self righteously writing about right wing folk devils. I blame political tribalism. Even when Labour were In government the Guardian would never challenge the party line on women’s issues.

It like losing an old friend, it was our family newspaper for decades. But the Guardian really has changed, CIF comment section is a cesspit and literally anyone and their dog can be commissioned to write a CIF article. I think that crowdsourced vibe is what brought the newspaper itself into trouble as it got less newsy and more commenty and CIF-like in content.
You dont think they might be aiming a little at Owen Jones :lol: :lol:

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:05 pm
by Ramming Speed

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:47 pm
by Red Chopper
Ramming Speed wrote:Back of the net...

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... ce-procter
From the BTL comments; ''Sorry Alice, Afua Hirsch has cornered the one eyed, post modernist claptrap, revisionist history postion at the G.
Good effort though.''

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:17 pm
by Mick Mannock
Red Chopper wrote:
Ramming Speed wrote:Back of the net...

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig ... ce-procter
From the BTL comments; ''Sorry Alice, Afua Hirsch has cornered the one eyed, post modernist claptrap, revisionist history postion at the G.
Good effort though.''
Some total idiot wrote:
History is not about the truth, it's not even about the facts. It's about who has the best argument.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:28 pm
by fatcat
Seneca of the Night wrote:Image
To be fair the bloke who penned the piece treated the subject with about as much derision as one could expect from The Guardian.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:46 pm
by Glaston
Seneca of the Night wrote:
c69 wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:This article is the front page lead for the Observer today:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... poll-hopes

(including the photo).

Oh I know this is a contentious issue. THE issue. But how much longer are people going to cling to the notion that the likes of Sadiq Khan are anything but the vanguard of an invading force. One that seeks not mild immigration and integration, but power and control of a new land. The Windrush issue is being seized upon to take the fight right to the heart of government.

This has been going on as long as humans have moved around the globe. To see it happening in real time in front of one's eyes is quite something.
What is this invading force you talk about?
I thought it was pretty clear: third world cognitive elites.
Will there be Rivers of blood?

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 12:55 pm
by Ramming Speed
Special prize for wishful thinking. This is the second story on the site now.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -contracts

11 workers striking out of 120,000. Less than 0.01%

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 5:02 pm
by Zakar
It's not bad advice, even if the reason for such advice is poor.

Re: Have we reached peak Guardian?

Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 1:07 pm
by bessantj
BBC getting in on the commentisfree act! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-3 ... ch-at-work