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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:50 am 
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With transformation quotas increasing it still isn't going to entice players to stay in SA. This isn't just the Boks it's other levels below.


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Excellent decision by SARU. Not quite a "no overseas based players" policy yet but great to see them trying to pull it back. Maybe in a year or two who can see only domestic players in the Bok team


I would love to see that Jens, we need you guys back, bad....


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A no overseas based players policy is simply not going to work. The ANC is getting more aggressive with its enforcement of the transformation policy and numbers in match day squads. I don't think any team bar maybe the 7s are meeting the current targets. Throw in the Rand which is performing woefully on the markets. SARU and the provinces are competing against wages offered in far stronger currencies under large salary caps.

Players in their early 20s have been leaving over the past 5 years in large numbers. Paul Willemse, Jacques du Plessis, Abrie Greisel and countless others barely made it to Super Rugby level after breaking out of under age. They then chose to leave.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:17 am 
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Who knows what's going to happen in the next few years you dour quasi Irish plum


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Maybe not bok quality, be I would prefer him in SA than at Northampton.

Teichmann makes a lot of sense, let's hope he gets into the Bok setup in some way in future.


I'm sorry but why is it up to SARU to keep him at the Sharks? If you make an exception for Reinach, then there are all the others that have to be covered too. Too many. If you can't pay them all then you can't pay one or two.


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What a ridiculous comment. This is not about the Sharks. It's about the damage being done to Springbok rugby. Of course SARU need to come to the party to try solve the issue.


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Who knows what's going to happen in the next few years you dour quasi Irish plum

Try and post that in English next time


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I am sorry P Bivvy, what part didn't you understand? You are expouting tired old cliches that aren't helping anyone....


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sunnybanana wrote:
Slider wrote:
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Maybe not bok quality, be I would prefer him in SA than at Northampton.

Teichmann makes a lot of sense, let's hope he gets into the Bok setup in some way in future.


I'm sorry but why is it up to SARU to keep him at the Sharks? If you make an exception for Reinach, then there are all the others that have to be covered too. Too many. If you can't pay them all then you can't pay one or two.


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What a ridiculous comment. This is not about the Sharks. It's about the damage being done to Springbok rugby. Of course SARU need to come to the party to try solve the issue.

SARU is simply not going to break the bank to keep a 27 year old scrum half with 9 caps in the country and they are having to blood the likes of Rudy Paige


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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
sunnybanana wrote:
Slider wrote:
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Maybe not bok quality, be I would prefer him in SA than at Northampton.

Teichmann makes a lot of sense, let's hope he gets into the Bok setup in some way in future.


I'm sorry but why is it up to SARU to keep him at the Sharks? If you make an exception for Reinach, then there are all the others that have to be covered too. Too many. If you can't pay them all then you can't pay one or two.


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What a ridiculous comment. This is not about the Sharks. It's about the damage being done to Springbok rugby. Of course SARU need to come to the party to try solve the issue.

SARU is simply not going to break the bank to keep a 27 year old scrum half with 9 caps in the country and they are having to blood the likes of Rudy Paige


I'm not saying that they should. They should be getting involved in the discussions at an early stage though to at least see whether there's anything they can do to persuade him to stay. Scrumhalf is easily SA's weakest position right now and with no great prospects coming through SARU can't just sit back and let the likes of Reinach leave without a fight.


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If we play France today it will be a total spacker fest
One team can't finish off and we can't even get started


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:06 am 
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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
With transformation quotas increasing it still isn't going to entice players to stay in SA. This isn't just the Boks it's other levels below.



That is the intention of quotas. In South AFrica.

Let's say it is "monetary value"
If a certain politician (politician A)can, by implementing quotas, increase job opportunities and income for a constituent who can really identify with him (say Player A, a not totally "deserving" player as far as talent and performance are measured )
He (the politician) will be sure of quite a few votes. Family, friends and supporters. In Africa family is important, and in some cultures a player might have to support many members of the family, even friends . Altruism is a way of life, sometimes. Needs to be, Africa is a tough country.

However, if politician A loses his place in public life, his power, another politician (of another philosophy and party, politician B) might cancel the quotas and Player A might lose his job and a few family/friends/supporters might lose their livelihood/kick from Player A. Those will be more dependent on State for a living. Which will impact the politicians' spending for own good. Which should not be, in their eyes.

Politician A depends on quotas for public support and power. Fokkol to do with "redressing past wrongs" (how can you redress a supposed rugby career for a man that is dead or has been an invalid for fifty years or never even had an opportunity to showcase his supposed talents ? ) It is all a thumbsuck and petty politicking, nothing gets "adressed" or redressed", just the politcians' pockets.


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If we play France today it will be a total spacker fest
One team can't finish off and we can't even get started


France will hammer us into the ground. We were never as weak, not even after the Boer War.

We will have to hope the players will play for Franco. They definitely do not want to play for AC.


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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
With transformation quotas increasing it still isn't going to entice players to stay in SA. This isn't just the Boks it's other levels below.



That is the intention of quotas. In South AFrica.

Let's say it is "monetary value"
If a certain politician (politician A)can, by implementing quotas, increase job opportunities and income for a constituent who can really identify with him (say Player A, a not totally "deserving" player as far as talent and performance are measured )
He (the politician) will be sure of quite a few votes. Family, friends and supporters. In Africa family is important, and in some cultures a player might have to support many members of the family, even friends . Altruism is a way of life, sometimes. Needs to be, Africa is a tough country.

However, if politician A loses his place in public life, his power, another politician (of another philosophy and party, politician B) might cancel the quotas and Player A might lose his job and a few family/friends/supporters might lose their livelihood/kick from Player A. Those will be more dependent on State for a living. Which will impact the politicians' spending for own good. Which should not be, in their eyes.

Politician A depends on quotas for public support and power. Fokkol to do with "redressing past wrongs" (how can you redress a supposed rugby career for a man that is dead or has been an invalid for fifty years or never even had an opportunity to showcase his supposed talents ? ) It is all a thumbsuck and petty politicking, nothing gets "adressed" or redressed", just the politcians' pockets.


That sounded like a brief summary of the reign of D.F to De Klerk :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:14 am 
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:lol:

So you reckon payback is the answer ?



Not quite.

The quality of Afrikaans speaking player were the best ever seen in this country. And the amount of English speaking players in that era was amazing - guys like Lofty Nel andOsler and the Morkels and others were English speaking Saffers, not Boere. Paul Roos was of totally bilingual lineage, but regarded himself as English, first.

The 1974 Bok team consisted of several centers in different positions.
And likewise also other teams had the odd (undeserved) Broederbonder here and there, like John Williams. (At the cost of Kevin de Klerk) Dawie de Villiers should never have been in the 1961 team, he was not nearly the best scrummie in South Africa at the time. But he was a Broer ... Darius Botha - a Broeder. A few others. But many were deserved (Johann Claassen, Mannetjies Roux, Theuns Stoffberg, others) because they were excellent rugby players and the Broeders recruited the best.

Errol Tobias was our first national quota, and he was also invited to the Broederbond, later years (actually they made earlier overtures, but stalled his acceptance)

English speakers were only discriminated against when they bopped off the reigning bunch. (Tommy Bedford) Afrikaans speakers were discriminated against when they were not Broederbonders/loyal to the British queen etc. etc. - establishment figures.

The Nats were followers of the Jan Hofmeyr philosophy, which classed Afrikaans and Ebglish speaking South Africans as one nation. (Close to the Rhodian philosophy, in fact Hofmeyr and Rhodes were close mqates, and Hofmeyr supported the British Empire during the Boer Wars)

And they all hated the Boers (few people realise that DF Malan was an ardent opponent of the Boer States, and drummed out General JBM Hertzog from teh National Party and politics. As was JG Strijdom, who served under Jan Smuts in the Government Forces in the 1914 Rebellion and was an ardent and vocal opponent of the Ossewabrandwag) Not that they hesitated in usurping Boer heritage to further their own political agenda and build a narrative that suited them ... fokken politicians.

A great deal of White South Africa were perennial losers in the political and sporting stakes, as well as coloured and black people. I remember withdrawing from the school's cricket team, because I was told "Cricket is a game for the English, you are not really suited to be here" (I am, like many South African, multi lingual, with English a third or fourth language, even though my mother was English speaking. I am and was mistaken for being English all the time.)

It is easy to draw lines in the sand on basis of colour, alone, and claim "Discrimination !!!!" It is much less easy to get to the truth. let alone "redress wrongs of the past" when it is recognised that CULTURE was even a bigger cause of discrimination than colour, at times.

It is, however, extremely easy to repeat the "wrongs of the past" . As we can see.


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The rather unpopular national coach believes there’s an early lesson from the Durbanites that his side can apply as well.

Springbok coach Allister Coetzee, who earlier this week kept his job following a protracted performance review, wants his national side to have the same mental strength the Sharks showed against the Brumbies on Saturday .

“The Sharks set a great example when they were 3-15 behind but had the resilience to come back,” Coetzee said in reference to the 27-22 win.

You need that even more in Test rugby, to show that resilience and to grind out matches.”

41 players convened in Sandton on Sunday for the first of numerous planned national camps, aimed at getting the Boks back to a level where they belong.

“By the time the Test series against France starts in June, we would have had six solid sessions where we put technical and organisational things in place. We want the players to understand the way we want to play and everyone needs to understand his role and responsibility,” said Coetzee.

“This is basically the start of our 2017 campaign. It’s a great way to start.”

The two-day camps holds big personal significance for Coetzee.

Because of his late appointment last year – Coetzee was only confirmed as coach in April – he wasn’t able to conduct these camps and stamp his authority on things.

“The big thing to understand is that the players know where we are going to, the strategy for this year but also up to 2019,” said the Bok mentor.

“Starting here and also the next two camps in April and May, we want to ensure continuity.

“Come 2019 these 40-45 players have been through this whole development programme, where they have grown and improved. It’s also a way to make sure we don’t chop and change but that there is continuity in terms of conditioning and fundamental skills. Hopefully the players will also be able to be mentally strong to win Test matches.”

http://citizen.co.za/sport/sport-rugby/1447535/boks-can-take-leaf-out-of-the-sharks-book-says-allister-coetzee/


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Springbok coach Allister Coetzee welcomed the new ruling that only overseas-based players who have played more than 30 test matches will be eligible for the Springboks, saying it would go a long way to helping keep younger players in South Africa.

And while the ruling still needs to be implemented to see its effect, Coetzee said there has been no limit placed on him on the number of overseas-based players that qualify under the rule that he could pick.

This means while borderline cases like Marcell Coetzee (28 tests) are in danger, there may be new lifeblood for overseas-based players such as Francois Louw, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Duane Vermeulen and others.

Coetzee said he hoped the move would make players think twice about going overseas, where there are currently around 350 South Africans playing abroad at the moment, draining the stocks of local Super Rugby sides.

“No there is no limit to the guys over 30 caps we can pick. I’m happy with that,” Coetzee said at the beginning of the three-day Bok training camp in Sandton on Sunday.

“The players have done the hard work in South Africa, they have played their 30 test matches. These players must also – in terms of succession planning – perform in World Cup 2019 and be available for that. So that is the policy and I’m really pleased with the policy.

“The big thing in the policy is to retain our players. And hopefully it will retain a young player thinking that – as a potential Springbok – thinking twice before playing overseas, rather opting to stay and be available and play for South Africa.”

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/170305/No_limit_placed_on_overseas_Boks_Coetzee


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Coetzee doesn't even know who should be in his best side so what is reducing the amount of players he can select from going to achieve? It took him till the tour to cap Rohan Janse van Rensburg who was far and away the form centre in SA.

His confusion over selections was mentioned several times on the Super Sport post match analysis that is up on You Tube.


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Win or lose the three-Test series against France in June, Allister Coetzee will be the Springbok coach up to and including the World Cup in 2019.

Coetzee was retained as national coach in December after a poor 2016 season in charge of the Boks; his team winning only four of 12 Tests.

While his management team for this year has been changed to include a new attack coach in Franco Smith and an as-yet-unnamed defence coach – expected to be Brendan Venter – Coetzee will be under pressure to change the team’s fortunes, and quickly.

There was even talk that should the Bok coach lose the series to the Tricolors in June, he’d be sent packing, but he dispelled those rumours on Sunday when a 41-man squad gathered in Johannesburg for the first of three national training camps.

At the end of last year, I signed until 2019,” said Coetzee. “My contract (with Saru) hasn’t changed.

He, however, admitted he would be under pressure to get the Boks winning again. “When you coach the Boks, there is always a gun to your head. You simply have to perform, you have to win.

“What I have learnt from last year is that in Test rugby, winning is everything, no matter the opposition. It’s not about entertainment... the only game plan is to play winning rugby.

“I can tell the South African public that whenever the Boks run out, they can be sure the players will leave nothing out there. They will give it their all, they will show they respect the jersey, that they’ll do it for their country.”

Coetzee added that while he will continue to encourage the Boks to play an attacking style of rugby, getting the right balance between attack and defence would be crucial going forward.

It is one of the reasons why he has called for three training camps, the first of which is under way in Joburg.

“The big thing here, to start with an assessment camp like this one, is to make sure all the players understand where we are going, what the strategy is, what the plan is,” said Coetzee.

“The planning has been done until 2019 and even 2023... there is a long-term view, with this just being the start.

“What we want is to build continuity in terms of player conditioning, putting fundamental skills in place and being mentally strong to win Test matches... this camp is the start of the process.”

Coetzee further stated that because all the Super Rugby franchises had bought into the national plan, the players will now be able to go back to their franchises from a Bok training camp and develop their skills; that the players will all understand their specific roles and responsibilities.

“The biggest difference to where I am right now compared to a year ago is that I have already done my planning for the year... this time a year ago, I hadn’t even been appointed.

“This is the first camp, I’ve had three meetings with the Super Rugby coaches, there is a conditioning strategy, there is uniformity around fundamental skills and there is collaboration between us at national level and the franchises.

“The crucial thing is that when we get together two weeks before the first French Test, every player would have developed his game, worked on his conditioning and so on, and we’re not starting from scratch.”

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/when-you-coach-the-boks-theres-always-a-gun-to-your-head-8054395


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Overseas based players who qualify to play for the Boks:
Bryan Habana (124), Ruan Pienaar (88), Schalk Burger (86), Bismarck du
Plessis (79), JP Pietersen (70), Jannie du Plessis (70), Morné Steyn (66),
Frans Steyn (53), Pierre Spies (53), Francois Louw (52), Willem Alberts (43),
Willie le Roux (41), Francois Hougaard (39), Wynand Olivier (38), Duane
Vermeulen (37), Flip van der Merwe (37) en Zane Kirchner (31).

Marcel Coetzee (28) can still qualify if selected for at least 2 tests against the French as the new rules only start in July.

Some overseas based players who don't qualify:
Heinrich Brüssow (23), Cobus Reinach (10),
Steven Kitshoff (10), Vincent Koch (9), Marcel van der Merwe (7) en Lourens
Adriaanse (6).

Players who have to play is SA to be selected:
Jan Serfontein (26, foto), Coenie Oosthuizen (23), Damian de Allende
(22), Chiliboy Ralepelle (22), Pieter-Steph du Toit (20), Handré Pollard (20),
Juan de Jongh (19), Lwazi Mvovo (17), Jesse Kriel (17), Siya Kolisi (16), Warren
Whiteley (15), Frans Malherbe (15), Oupa Mohoje (15), Faf de Klerk (11), Elton
Jantjies (11), Lionel Mapoe (11), Jaco Kriel (7), Francois Venter (3), Uzair
Cassiem (1).


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A poor French team will be beaten in a boring low quality series.


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A poor French team will be beaten in a boring low quality series.



Or a poor French team will beat the Springboks in a low quality series.


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Chilli wrote:
A poor French team will be beaten in a boring low quality series.



Or a poor French team will beat the Springboks in a low quality series.


No chance then of AC putting together a Bok team that plays good and attractive rugby?


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Jensrsa wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Chilli wrote:
A poor French team will be beaten in a boring low quality series.



Or a poor French team will beat the Springboks in a low quality series.


No chance then of AC putting together a Bok team that plays good and attractive rugby?



A very good chance. If he starts using his head AND get the players to buy into the thing.
Which, maybe, Franco will be able to achieve.
Then we can beat most, I suppose even the All Blacks, on a good day.

But, going on AC's past Bok record, very little likelihood.


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Jensrsa wrote:
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Chilli wrote:
A poor French team will be beaten in a boring low quality series.



Or a poor French team will beat the Springboks in a low quality series.


No chance then of AC putting together a Bok team that plays good and attractive rugby?


Jens, I hope that he can do that, but given the mans track record I very much doubt it.


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Coetzee made his name as a back line coach going back a long way and none of those teams were that innovative on attack. They had the players to do it.


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Coetzee made his name as a back line coach going back a long way and none of those teams were that innovative on attack. They had the players to do it.



Coetzee never had such a wonderful name.

He was Jake White's backline coach, and Eddie Jones won the bloody thing for them.


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Towards the end of last year AC said that he made a mistake by not going with the Lions players and use their game as a base for the Boks' game.

Now he seems to be changing his opinion again
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“What I have learnt from last year is that in Test rugby, winning is everything, no matter the opposition. It’s not about entertainment... the only game plan is to play winning rugby."

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/when-you-coach-the-boks-theres-always-a-gun-to-your-head-8054395

The million dollar question is what does he see as "winning rugby"? Does he even know or will we have another year of confused game plans?


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Towards the end of last year AC said that he made a mistake by not going with the Lions players and use their game as a base for the Boks' game.

Now he seems to be changing his opinion again
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“What I have learnt from last year is that in Test rugby, winning is everything, no matter the opposition. It’s not about entertainment... the only game plan is to play winning rugby."

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/when-you-coach-the-boks-theres-always-a-gun-to-your-head-8054395

The million dollar question is what does he see as "winning rugby"? Does he even know or will we have another year of confused game plans?

Lions players added nothing......overrated internationally.


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Kick and chase, probably.

That is what was successful for them with Jake and Rassie, why would he change ?


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Sards wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Towards the end of last year AC said that he made a mistake by not going with the Lions players and use their game as a base for the Boks' game.

Now he seems to be changing his opinion again
Quote:
“What I have learnt from last year is that in Test rugby, winning is everything, no matter the opposition. It’s not about entertainment... the only game plan is to play winning rugby."

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/when-you-coach-the-boks-theres-always-a-gun-to-your-head-8054395

The million dollar question is what does he see as "winning rugby"? Does he even know or will we have another year of confused game plans?

Lions players added nothing......overrated internationally.

Sards, the Sharks play the Lions later on in the competition. Keep your ammo dry till then. ;)


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Chilli wrote:
Sards wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Towards the end of last year AC said that he made a mistake by not going with the Lions players and use their game as a base for the Boks' game.

Now he seems to be changing his opinion again
Quote:
“What I have learnt from last year is that in Test rugby, winning is everything, no matter the opposition. It’s not about entertainment... the only game plan is to play winning rugby."

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/when-you-coach-the-boks-theres-always-a-gun-to-your-head-8054395

The million dollar question is what does he see as "winning rugby"? Does he even know or will we have another year of confused game plans?

Lions players added nothing......overrated internationally.

Sards, the Sharks play the Lions later on in the competition. Keep your ammo dry till then. ;)


Not interested in local derbies in the Springbok match thread.

The much vaunted and heavily overrated Marx and Whitely and kriel added absolutely nothing........Probably were the dissenting factor that made the Springboks perform so badly


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Sards wrote:
Chilli wrote:
Sards wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Towards the end of last year AC said that he made a mistake by not going with the Lions players and use their game as a base for the Boks' game.

Now he seems to be changing his opinion again
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“What I have learnt from last year is that in Test rugby, winning is everything, no matter the opposition. It’s not about entertainment... the only game plan is to play winning rugby."

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/when-you-coach-the-boks-theres-always-a-gun-to-your-head-8054395

The million dollar question is what does he see as "winning rugby"? Does he even know or will we have another year of confused game plans?

Lions players added nothing......overrated internationally.

Sards, the Sharks play the Lions later on in the competition. Keep your ammo dry till then. ;)


Not interested in local derbies in the Springbok match thread.
Nothing to do with AC then?
The much vaunted and heavily overrated Marx and Whitely and kriel added absolutely nothing........Probably were the dissenting factor that made the Springboks perform so badly


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:34 am 
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Sards wrote:
Chilli wrote:
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Jensrsa wrote:
Towards the end of last year AC said that he made a mistake by not going with the Lions players and use their game as a base for the Boks' game.

Now he seems to be changing his opinion again
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“What I have learnt from last year is that in Test rugby, winning is everything, no matter the opposition. It’s not about entertainment... the only game plan is to play winning rugby."

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/when-you-coach-the-boks-theres-always-a-gun-to-your-head-8054395

The million dollar question is what does he see as "winning rugby"? Does he even know or will we have another year of confused game plans?

Lions players added nothing......overrated internationally.

Sards, the Sharks play the Lions later on in the competition. Keep your ammo dry till then. ;)


Not interested in local derbies in the Springbok match thread.

The much vaunted and heavily overrated Marx and Whitely and kriel added absolutely nothing........Probably were the dissenting factor that made the Springboks perform so badly


We can therefore assume you are quite happy with AC's performance last year and support his continued tenure as Bok coach until 2019 at least :thumbup:


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Not interested in local derbies in the Springbok match thread.

The much vaunted and heavily overrated Marx and Whitely and kriel added absolutely nothing........Probably were the dissenting factor that made the Springboks perform so badly
Nothing to do with AC then?


Had everything to do with AC......he couldnt handle it.....my suspicions were that there was a sort of player revolt led by the Lions players who wanted their coach .........what else would explain such dire performance.


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We can therefore assume you are quite happy with AC's performance last year and support his continued tenure as Bok coach until 2019 at least :thumbup:


Its like the ANC ......you know that they are feckin useless but have absolutely no control over the situation............Just do what John Smit did with poesbek......tell AC to take a chill pill and manage the sdministrative side of it and let the real coaches get on with the job. its a win win for everyone .


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Sards wrote:
handyman wrote:
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Not interested in local derbies in the Springbok match thread.

The much vaunted and heavily overrated Marx and Whitely and kriel added absolutely nothing........Probably were the dissenting factor that made the Springboks perform so badly
Nothing to do with AC then?


Had everything to do with AC......he couldnt handle it.....my suspicions were that there was a sort of player revolt led by the Lions players who wanted their coach .........what else would explain such dire performance.

:lol: :lol:

I see, a bunch of rookie Boks staged a coup and the senior Boks joined in.

Now that's an interesting conspiracy theory and can only make sense in your mind


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Jensrsa wrote:
Sards wrote:
handyman wrote:
Sards wrote:

Not interested in local derbies in the Springbok match thread.

The much vaunted and heavily overrated Marx and Whitely and kriel added absolutely nothing........Probably were the dissenting factor that made the Springboks perform so badly
Nothing to do with AC then?


Had everything to do with AC......he couldnt handle it.....my suspicions were that there was a sort of player revolt led by the Lions players who wanted their coach .........what else would explain such dire performance.

:lol: :lol:

I see, a bunch of rookie Boks staged a coup and the senior Boks joined in.

Now that's an interesting conspiracy theory and can only make sense in your mind


Unless you were on another planet , nothing made sense about Springbok rugby last year


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Excellent decision by SARU. Not quite a "no overseas based players" policy yet but great to see them trying to pull it back. Maybe in a year or two who can see only domestic players in the Bok team

The sooner they get no overseas player policy going the better. Take the knock now and move forward.


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Excellent decision by SARU. Not quite a "no overseas based players" policy yet but great to see them trying to pull it back. Maybe in a year or two who can see only domestic players in the Bok team

The sooner they get no overseas player policy going the better. Take the knock now and move forward.

Agree with this. We are at a low point anyway.


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:shock:

AC SAYS HE STILL WANTS TO MENTOR STICK

WTF....................................


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