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Jensrsa wrote:

It seems like the Cheetahs, coached by Springbok assistant-coach Franco Smith, have forgotten that the tactical kick is still an integral part of setting up the platform from which you can create attack.

The one-dimensional way in which they tried – without success – to bridge the Jaguares’ defence during their 41-14 loss by running every ball made them extremely predictable. The team frustrated themselves, and in doing so their Argentinian opponents played off their mistakes.

The Jaguares have a flat defence, so you have to create doubt in their minds by varying your play. It’s good to try and keep possession, but it’s what you do with the ball that counts. Like a team playing a forward-orientated game, or a team that kicks everything, running every ball makes it easy to defend against.

This should be of some concern for South African rugby fans, because Cheetahs head coach Franco Smith is our country’s new attack coach. And if it is tough for him to understand this, how on earth will he be able to improve the Springboks’ attack?

http://www.kwesesports.com/rugby/peter- ... nco-smith/

The Springbok selectors invited a group of 13 Sharks players, 10 each from the Lions and Stormers as well as eight Cheetahs players to the three-day camp.

There are no players from the Bulls or the Southern Kings in the latest training group as these two franchises are in action abroad

There are no players from the Bulls in the latest training group because they are shithouse

Jensrsa wrote:

The Springbok selectors invited a group of 13 Sharks players, 10 each from the Lions and Stormers as well as eight Cheetahs players to the three-day camp.

There are no players from the Bulls or the Southern Kings in the latest training group as these two franchises are in action abroad

Invited players for the second Springbok camp in Stellenbosch (April 2-4):
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springbo ... p-20170327

No Name and surname Position Franchise
*1 Ruan Ackermann Loose forward Emirates Lions
2 Lukhanyo Am Centre Sharks
3 Clayton Blommetjies Fullback Toyota Cheetahs
*4 Curwin Bosch Flyhalf/Fullback Sharks
5 Ruan Botha Lock Sharks
6 Uzair Cassiem Flank Toyota Cheetahs
7 Andries Coetzee Fullback Emirates Lions
8 Ruan Combrinck Wing Emirates Lions
9 Ruan Dreyer Prop Emirates Lions
10 Jean-Luc du Preez Flank Sharks
11 Pieter-Steph du Toit Lock DHL Stormers
12 Eben Etzebeth Lock DHL Stormers
13 Rohan Janse van Rensburg Centre Emirates Lions
14 Elton Jantjies Flyhalf Emirates Lions
15 Siya Kolisi Flank DHL Stormers
16 Jaco Kriel Flank Emirates Lions
17 Pat Lambie Flyhalf Sharks
18 Dillyn Leyds Wing DHL Stormers
*19 Wilco Louw Prop DHL Stormers
20 Frans Malherbe Prop DHL Stormers
21 Lionel Mapoe Centre Emirates Lions
22 Malcolm Marx Hooker Emirates Lions
23 Bongi Mbonambi Hooker DHL Stormers
24 Oupa Mohoje Flank Toyota Cheetahs
25 Beast Mtawarira Prop Sharks
26 Lubabalo Mtembu No 8 Sharks
27 Lwazi Mvovo Wing Sharks
*28 Ox Nche Prop Toyota Cheetahs
29 Coenie Oosthuizen Prop Sharks
30 Etienne Oosthuizen Lock Sharks
31 Chiliboy Ralepelle Hooker Sharks
32 Cobus Reinach Scrumhalf Sharks
33 Raymond Rhule Wing Toyota Cheetahs
34 Seabelo Senatla Wing DHL Stormers
35 Kobus van Wyk Wing Sharks
36 Jano Vermaak Scrumhalf DHL Stormers
37 Francois Venter Centre Toyota Cheetahs
38 Shaun Venter Scrumhalf Toyota Cheetahs
*39 EW Viljoen Centre DHL Stormers
40 Warren Whiteley No 8 Emirates Lions
41 Fred Zeilinga Flyhalf Toyota Cheetahs

*Indicates Young Guns

Rassie Erasmus is, in ’n verstommende U-draai, straks nog voor die Springbokke se drie tuistoetse teen Frankryk in Junie terug in Suid-Afrikaanse rugby.

Rapport verneem onderhandelinge tussen die Suid-Afrikaanse Rugbyunie (Saru) en Erasmus se Ierse klubspan, Munster, om dié voormalige Bok-flank se terugkeer te bewerkstellig, is in ’n gevorderde stadium. Drie onberispelike bronne het aan Rapport gesê sy terugkeer is nou “ ’n blote formaliteit”.

Erasmus sal in sy vorige pos – as Saru se direkteur van rugby – aangestel word, skaars ’n jaar nadat hy skielik uit dié pos bedank het.

Die voormalige Cheetahs- en Stormers-afrigter het in April verlede jaar ’n aanbod aanvaar om hom as direkteur van rugby by Munster aan te sluit, te midde van gerugte van ’n uitval met Oregan Hoskins, Saru se afgesette president, en kort nadat Allister Coetzee as Bok-afrigter aangestel is.

Sou Erasmus terugkeer, sal hy na verneem word beheer hê oor die Bokke, die Junior Bokke, die Blitsbokke en die Suid-Afrikaanse skolespan.

In hoe ’n mate Erasmus by die Springbokke betrek sal word, is egter steeds duister – nadat Coetzee onlangs die valbyl oorleef het ná die Bokke se vrotsige 2016-toetsjaar.

Saru se aanvanklike plan, ná verlede jaar se mislukte toer na Europa, was om Erasmus in Coetzee se plek as hoofafrigter aan te stel.

Daardie onderhandelinge het egter ontspoor toe Saru se uitvoerende bestuur besluit het dat Coetzee se prestasiebeoordeling eers ná die drie toetse teen Frankryk kan geskied.

’n Finale besluit oor of hy (Coetzee) as Bok-afrigter sal aanbly, sal dus eers ná die reeks teen die Hane geneem word.

Die moontlikheid bestaan egter dat Erasmus by Coetzee kan oorneem, sou dié Kapenaar wel gepos word.

Erasmus se vertrek het verskeie turksvye vir die land se rugbybase opgelewer, insluitend die kontraktering van nasionale spelers, die aanstelling van die afrigtingspan van die Junior Bokke en die funksionering van Saru se hoëprestasie-eenheid, wat deur Erasmus op die been gebring is.

Laasgenoemde se agteruitgang was die rede waarom Jacques Nienaber, Erasmus se jare lange regterhand, en die skrumspesialis Pieter de Villiers koers gekies het.

Die voormalige Bok-losskakel Louis Koen moes hom gevolglik met administratiewe take bemoei, eerder as om die skoppers van die land se onderskeie nasionale spanne op die oefenveld te slyp.

Aan Rapport is gesê Erasmus sal eers sy verpligtinge vir die res van die seisoen by Munster nakom voordat hy terugkeer.

Rassie Erasmus could return to South Africa before the Springboks’ three-Test series against France in June.

According to Rapport newspaper, negotiations between SA Rugby and Munster to bring him back to SA are at an advanced stage. Three impeccable sources told Rapport that his return is now ‘a mere formality’.

Erasmus will take up his previous post as SA Rugby’s director of rugby.

He joined Munster as their director of rugby in April last year after reportedly falling out with then-Saru president Oregan Hoskins, and shortly after the appointment of Allister Coetzee as Bok coach

saffer13 wrote:I realize this is just a training group, still no need for these okes.

Beaver_Shark wrote:

saffer13 wrote:I realize this is just a training group, still no need for these okes.

Zeilinga is the leading point scorer in Super Rugby this season. He's had a fine start to the year.

houtkabouter wrote:

Beaver_Shark wrote:

saffer13 wrote:I realize this is just a training group, still no need for these okes.

Zeilinga is the leading point scorer in Super Rugby this season. He's had a fine start to the year.

Ruan Ackerman has been excellent since he came into the scene. Too much lion for Saffer he needs more stormer

Beaver_Shark wrote:

saffer13 wrote:I realize this is just a training group, still no need for these okes.

Zeilinga is the leading point scorer in Super Rugby this season. He's had a fine start to the year.

Chilli wrote:

Beaver_Shark wrote:

saffer13 wrote:I realize this is just a training group, still no need for these okes.

Zeilinga is the leading point scorer in Super Rugby this season. He's had a fine start to the year.

Damn side better that Pollard.

After I read yet another article of a Kiwi coach appointed abroad I thought to myself why so many of them get picked up from Japan to Australia, across Africa and all over Europe?

To name a few: Wales (Warren Gatland), Ireland (Joe Schmidt), Scotland (Vern Cotter), Canada (Mark Anscombe), Fiji (John McKee), Georgia (Milton Haig) and Japan (Jamie Joseph). At club level, Todd Blackadder (DOR at Bath), Pat Lam (Connacht), Darrel Gibson (Waratahs), Dave Rennie (Glasgow) are all led by New Zealanders. These coaches are building and leading cutting-edge rugby programs at both club and international level.

So you are probably wondering what this have to do with the problem in South Africa Rugby?

I realized that Kiwi coaches are in such a demand that I wondered what it is that separates them from the rest. Why is such a small country producing most of World Rugby’s coaches?

In 2001 the retired Murray Mexted started the famous International Rugby Academy of New Zealand (IRANZ) in alliance with New Zealand Rugby to focus solely on the development of coaches and players so information can be shared. Mexted is such an advocate for sharing knowledge, even challenging curtain information and believe it is the best way to grow.

So here we go again, another know-it-all saying South African rugby should follow the Kiwi’s. Maybe, Yes.

How much of our time and money go into development of coaches? Players, yes maybe a few thousand rand, but don’t you think we should invest more in the coaches who coach those players? Ex Bok coaches should be able to share their knowledge that they accumulated over the period of say 4 years to our schools coaches. Yes, in an ideal world. But the problem comes in when most of our ex-players’ and coaches attitude is “you can’t teach me anything”. Most of those ex-players are appointed as DOR’s or First Team coaches but can’t even teach a player the fundamentals of a good pass.

Teachers who is coaching first teams focus on set moves and plays that they saw one of the Super Rugby teams did over the weekend, but the players can barely catch and pass correct under pressure. What is your basic coaching course teach you about different approaches to holistic coaching (Game-Based approach or Player Centred Approach)

Ex-players in New Zealand that is interested in coaching start at mini rugby where they learn the FUNdamentals of coaching. New Zealand Rugby Union’s chief executive, Steve Tew, believes if you don’t produce good coaches then you won’t produce good players.

The coaches comes first! After every season, the NZRU holds workshops for its Super Rugby and ITM Cup coaches to come together. Coaches who have spent most of the season trying to outsmart each other sit around a table to exchange ideas.

So what I am basically trying to say is that the system in South Africa has let its players and coaches down. Coaches in SA has been left on their own to develop their coaching knowledge and style and because of that we don’t like to share our knowledge that we accumulated over the years because that is “the journey of coaching”. Coaching the coaches will only work if we share our knowledge with each another for the benefit of SA Rugby.

If South African Rugby are to be no.1 in World Rugby again SA Rugby should look at the way we develop and treat our coaches!

I agree 100%

Cartman wrote:Well our ex-player coaches are actually doing a good job atm
The only one that isnt one is Marais and he's not an ex-player (a well known one anyway)

Jensrsa wrote:

Cartman wrote:Well our ex-player coaches are actually doing a good job atm
The only one that isnt one is Marais and he's not an ex-player (a well known one anyway)

Franco, Robert, Ackers, and Fleckie all paid their dues through coaching at lower levels

Slider wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Cartman wrote:Well our ex-player coaches are actually doing a good job atm
The only one that isnt one is Marais and he's not an ex-player (a well known one anyway)

Franco, Robert, Ackers, and Fleckie all paid their dues through coaching at lower levels

Just to be clear, I'm not saying they shouldn't be coaches, just that the net needs to be cast wider than ex-Springboks. The appointment of Jake White was basically a fluke that worked. The system is weighted against guys like that.

I'm an especially big admirer of Robert du Preez, he spent many years learning the trade before getting the Sharks top job.

Jensrsa wrote:

Cartman wrote:Well our ex-player coaches are actually doing a good job atm
The only one that isnt one is Marais and he's not an ex-player (a well known one anyway)

Franco, Robert, Ackers, and Fleckie all paid their dues through coaching at lower levels

SA Rugby rugby needs to change - and massively - if it is to be a financial force again.

SA Rugby last week released its financial statements, proclaiming a R23.3m loss as “satisfactory” after a tough year where it lost its biggest sponsor and the Springboks failed to perform on the field.

And now SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux believes that unless the national body changes the way it thinks, and operates, and this applies to the provincial unions as well, there will be more financial pain in the future.

Roux explained that the hole left by the loss of Absa as SA Rugby’s main sponsor was a massive one, and that some clever accounting by the union managed to keep the losses a lot lower than they could have been.

“It is a complex question and on the results, it is a poor year for us. We need to be honest why it was a bad year for us. In the first place we lost a sponsor at the 99th hour, along with one or two smaller sponsors which left a R130m hole in our finances,” he told supersport.com.

“A sponsorship of that value takes around 18 months to negotiate, easily. To try and save that in a year is very difficult. When we talked about a “satisfactory” result - I see people are a bit upset at the word, but the reality is that we faced R130m loss and we ended on a R23m loss.

“A part of that is because of affiliates that will be rectified or reclaimed at some stage. Actually we only made a R12m loss and that in a year where you lost 70 percent of your games, and that isn’t actually so bad.”

SA Rugby is close to a deal to replace Absa and is confident of having a new sponsor for the Springboks by the June Tests.

But as Roux says, the bigger question is how South African rugby reinvents itself in the face of the entertainment challenges posed by so many competitors in the current climate.

“That doesn’t answer the bigger question. I have a simple answer, and people say I over-simplify the matter, but before we don’t change the product on the field and before we don’t change the experience that people have at the field, we will have the same problems the whole time,” Roux said.

“So let’s talk about the problems on the field. We need to play rugby that people like. People talk about running rugby and other things, but there is only one type of rugby that people like, and that is running rugby.

“It is as simple as that. People are always carrying on about running rugby. People always carry on about New Zealanders who play running rugby.

“Anyone who knows their rugby and analyses it will know they kick you into submission, defend into submission and when the gaps open up, then they run it. They play that sort of rugby at Test level and at Super Rugby level they play open rugby but at Test level they know how they want to play.”

Roux also said the “experience” for the general fan needs to be a lot better than it currently is.

“The field experience needs to be better. It shouldn’t be a problem for people to find parking, it shouldn’t be a problem for them to get food.

“Our demographics of our supporters has changed. More than 40 percent of our spectators are women. We can’t have stadiums where there aren’t enough toilets for women or basic amenities. The product must change.

“Then we need to look at the teams that are playing, how they are playing and how they are composed.

“It is a much more complex question but we don’t have to reinvent the wheel. The world has already reinvented the wheel. The NFL, NBA have reinvented the wheel already.

“I always use the example - the Sydney Cricket Ground realised five years ago the average spectator is getting bigger. They took out 15 000 seats and made seats bigger, more comfortable and made the facilities better. They got more people to come to games.

“We need to have a look at the holistic picture and if we don’t do that, then we are going to continue to bleed. It won’t stop.”

SA Rugby is set to make a decision about the number of Super Rugby regions in the next few weeks.

Minister of Police, Mr Fikile Mbalula
Minister of Sports and Recreation, Mr Thembelani Nxesi

saffer13 wrote:Zuma having a field day

Venter officially joins Boks

Brendan Venter has joined the Springboks in a consulting capacity as their new defence and exits coach.

The 47-year-old medical doctor is an experienced coach with considerable international experience gained from various coaching stints and as a director of rugby in South Africa, England and Italy.

Venter, a World Cup winner with the Springboks in 1995, will join the Springbok coaching staff on Sunday for the second of three preparation camps at the Stellenbosch Academy of Sports.

Springbok coach Allister Coetzee said he was delighted that Venter had agreed to join the Bok coaching staff.

'We know each other well since our time together at the DHL Stormers, and we share the same values. He will be responsible for defence and "exit" strategies.

'Brendan is passionate about Springbok rugby, and wants to help turn things around. He was part of my plans in 2016 already, but unfortunately, he was not available because of commitments elsewhere.

'We delayed confirming this appointment out of respect for Italy’s Six Nations campaign. The public delay did not interrupt our background planning.'

Sards wrote:This is South Africa. Get other people to do the actual work and get paid a shit load for doing nothing.

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:This is South Africa. Get other people to do the actual work and get paid a shit load for doing nothing.

Isn't that called good management?

Sards wrote:This is South Africa. Get other people to do the actual work and get paid a shit load for doing nothing.

Sards wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:This is South Africa. Get other people to do the actual work and get paid a shit load for doing nothing.

Isn't that called good management?

Normally. But in this case it's because they cannot afford to pay out AC s contract

Slider wrote:

Sards wrote:

Jensrsa wrote:

Sards wrote:This is South Africa. Get other people to do the actual work and get paid a shit load for doing nothing.

Isn't that called good management?

Normally. But in this case it's because they cannot afford to pay out AC s contract

Keeping him on the payroll costs just as much. Granted, the payments are spread out more.

saffer13 wrote:So B. Venter only consulting with the Boks.

Jensrsa wrote:

saffer13 wrote:So B. Venter only consulting with the Boks.

And with Italy

Cape Town - Springbok coach Allister Coetzee says that he will continue to pick overseas-based Springboks, but only if they arrive at national camps in the right condition.

Coetzee can pick whoever he wants for the three Tests against France in June, but following that series only Boks who have 30 or more Test caps will be available for selection in line with SA Rugby's new policy on overseas-based players.

Cape Town - Springbok coach Allister Coetzee is yet to decide who his captain will be for the 2017 season, but he has not ruled out the possibility of it being an overseas-based player.