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Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:47 am
by Yourmother
If we do manage not to choke. What is the likelihood of Emirates threatening not to sponsor unless it's hosted in Dubai? Zero?

I appreciate it is the NZ boat club who choose. Though, it will be hard to mount a defense without a ready made sponsor.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:01 am
by Yourmother
badmannotinjapan wrote:
The Native wrote:Some sour grapes in Bermuda it seems. Some people have been slashing and removing New Zealand flags. Imagine the outrage if the same was done to the American flag.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=11879534
Isn't it a criminal charge against deforming the Star Spangled Banner?
Edit: it's not.
I thought of all places in the US it would be. But then again they're in Bermuda.

Vandalism is a crime. Though, let's not forget the kiwis who plastered flags all over Ellisons house last time around.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:10 am
by badmannotinjapan
Yourmother wrote:If we do manage not to choke. What is the likelihood of Emirates threatening not to sponsor unless it's hosted in Dubai? Zero?

I appreciate it is the NZ boat club who choose. Though, it will be hard to mount a defense without a ready made sponsor.
I would figure that the Waitamata Harbour would be a much better venue for sailing than the harbour off Dubai. More variables?

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:26 am
by obelixtim
The Native wrote:Some sour grapes in Bermuda it seems. Some people have been slashing and removing New Zealand flags. Imagine the outrage if the same was done to the American flag.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=11879534
Understandable really. The locals will be losing their gravy train if ETNZ take the cup away.

However providing ETNZ with a bit of extra motivation isn't such a bad thing. Basically they have been up against all the other challengers who went along with Oracles plans, as well as Oracle itself. Backs against the wall isn't a bad place to be.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:30 am
by obelixtim
badmannotinjapan wrote:
Yourmother wrote:If we do manage not to choke. What is the likelihood of Emirates threatening not to sponsor unless it's hosted in Dubai? Zero?

I appreciate it is the NZ boat club who choose. Though, it will be hard to mount a defense without a ready made sponsor.
I would figure that the Waitamata Harbour would be a much better venue for sailing than the harbour off Dubai. More variables?
Sponsors won't be a problem if they are the holders. Kowtowing to Dubai would be a big mistake, and would cost them a massive amount of support.

Its all theoretical at this point anyway. Bad form to get ahead of ourselves at this point. Remember San Francisco?

They've won nothing right now.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:40 am
by Tehuringa
Yourmother wrote:If we do manage not to choke. What is the likelihood of Emirates threatening not to sponsor unless it's hosted in Dubai? Zero?

I appreciate it is the NZ boat club who choose. Though, it will be hard to mount a defense without a ready made sponsor.
Virtually none.... though if they did, it's not exactly going to be hard rustling up a major sponsor even if we do change the rules and race optimists on Lake Wakatipu.

Let's just win it first.... :roll:

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:51 am
by sonic_attack
For what it's worth, I reckon Dubai would be a terrific place to host an America's cup. Regardless of who were staging it. What's not to like about that location?

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:55 am
by obelixtim
sonic_attack wrote:For what it's worth, I reckon Dubai would be a terrific place to host an America's cup. Regardless of who were staging it. What's not to like about that location?
Full of arrogant Arabs who think that money can buy anything, and who exploit their workforce to the max. Its a horrible place. Bling capital of the world.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:01 am
by merlin the happy pig
Really good analysis, especially the bit about how the biggest advantage of cycling is keeping your hands free for splitting the control system among multiple people rather than the extra watts.

That allowing a more radical foil design with less stability.

I doubt the lower windage of better body position is a big factor, aorodynamic drag on people is probably pretty small compared to that of the sail, and hydrodynamic drag of the foils, rudders.

Tldr; It's the control system.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:02 am
by Tehuringa
obelixtim wrote:
sonic_attack wrote:For what it's worth, I reckon Dubai would be a terrific place to host an America's cup. Regardless of who were staging it. What's not to like about that location?
Full of arrogant Arabs who think that money can buy anything, and who exploit their workforce to the max. Its a horrible place. Bling capital of the world.
Agree.... spectacular for sure but the only good thing about Dubai is the lounge at the airport during a layover as you wait for your flight out..... mind you, Ravi's in Satwa is great for Pakistani grub :thumbup:

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:07 am
by The Native
Call it the paranoia in me of the complete and utter lack of trust in OTUSA's morals, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see an "accident" that damages Aotearoa.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:07 am
by sonic_attack
Money can buy anything, isn't that the point of it?

We're talking about the America's Cup, the ultimate bling wankfest of them all - Cucumber sandwiches, G&T, pastel polo's, white trousers and boat shoes. Apart from a Polo match, is there anything more flamboyant and gaudy?

Surely it absolutely belongs in a place you describe.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:13 am
by booze
Gospel wrote:
booze wrote:
The Native wrote:
usermame wrote:
Gospel wrote:BT Sport are all over ETNZ.
All the BT commentary team have been supporting Oracle. That Oracle is not returning the favour is beyond their control.
:?

The BT commentary of Ken Read and Alastair Eykyn has been glowing for ETNZ. And whilst they haven't been putting the boot into OTUSA, they haven't been as complimentary.
That's the NBC commentary team.

I really like ken reads commentary. Although, sometimes they are not very quick to speak about what is happening on the water. It's a bit strange.

Then BT presenters lead by Clare balding are the ones who have pinned their colours to the mast of everyone ETNZ has been sailing.
Booze, Ken Read and Alastair Eykyn are the BT Sport commentary team. Alastair Eykyn usually does rugby [AP] and tennis and knows sweet fuck all about sailing.
Yeash, I mentioned above I got that wrong. They have been amazed by the kiwi boat and the plaudits have kept on coming.

The shore crew lead by Clare Balding always seems to side with the other sider for some reason. I suppose it is a pretty sweet gig in Bermuda and the thought of it being taken away by the kiwis means they are not on our side!

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:13 am
by obelixtim
sonic_attack wrote:Money can buy anything, isn't that the point of it?

We're talking about the America's Cup, the ultimate bling wankfest of them all - Cucumber sandwiches, G&T, pastel polo's, white trousers and boat shoes. Apart from a Polo match, is there anything more flamboyant and gaudy?

Surely it absolutely belongs in a place you describe.
That would be Auckland then....

Seriously what the AC brings to the local economy is what will be the deciding factor. And Auckland already has everything set up for it. Plus holding it there will piss off the other teams greatly apparently, but after they all climbed into bed with Oracle, why would we do them any favours.

Anyway, as already posted, its a bit early to jump the gun on this. Oracle aren't dead and buried yet.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:14 am
by The Native
IF ETNZ win it'll be in Auckland.

It'll also be great for the Warkworth economy!

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:25 am
by merlin the happy pig
The Native wrote:IF ETNZ win it'll be in Auckland.

It'll also be great for the Warkworth economy!
I heard someone suggest Wellington harbour has some great natural vantage points (not to mention a southerly that freezes Nitrogen)

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:47 am
by Gazzamonster
merlin the happy pig wrote:
The Native wrote:IF ETNZ win it'll be in Auckland.

It'll also be great for the Warkworth economy!
I heard someone suggest Wellington harbour has some great natural vantage points (not to mention a southerly that freezes Nitrogen)
These boats would literally take off if the southerly blows in!

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:24 pm
by badmannotinjapan
You'd need super maxis to sail Wellington Harbour. You may as well sail a course with a finish line in Picton.

The longer this break goes on, the more nervous I become. It's brutal :blush:
I just wonder what it is that OTUSAUS can do to come back from this. What tricks do they have? Do we have enough in the bank? Or will our development flatline?

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:28 pm
by True Blue
merlin the happy pig wrote:
The Native wrote:IF ETNZ win it'll be in Auckland.

It'll also be great for the Warkworth economy!
I heard someone suggest Wellington harbour has some great natural vantage points (not to mention a southerly that freezes Nitrogen)
Imagine those boats in Wellington harbour :lol: I would totally pay money to watch that carnage.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:49 pm
by Gospel
booze wrote:The shore crew lead by Clare Balding always seems to side with the other sider for some reason. I suppose it is a pretty sweet gig in Bermuda and the thought of it being taken away by the kiwis means they are not on our side!
Doesn't matter to BT where the next AC is hosted provided there's British interest for their viewers. After BAR went out early they were left pulling for Artemis with four Brits in the boat including Artemis Team Manager, Tactician and Ainslie's best mate - Iain Percy.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:52 pm
by Gospel
The Native wrote:Call it the paranoia in me of the complete and utter lack of trust in OTUSA's morals, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see an "accident" that damages Aotearoa.
To be fair your lads have already pitch-poled the boat themselves and managed to avoid losing any race time. So nothing short of explosives will get that job done. I wonder if there are any Frenchies still about..

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:58 pm
by Turbogoat
guy smiley wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote: OTUSAUS
Oracle Team United States of America United States?

Seriously?
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Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:59 pm
by Gazzamonster
Everything I'm reading is saying that their is only four areas that Oracle can improve:
FOILS
The key area to generating more speed. But, while building new foils from scratch is out of the question - they take 80 days to complete and require up 15,000 pieces of carbon fibre, according to Oracle trimmer Joey Newton - there is some scope for modification. Teams are permitted to make unlimited changes of up to 10 per cent of the daggerboards (which usually pertains to the tip), while they have four chances to make alterations of up to 30 per cent. It will be a race against time to make significant modifications but Newton said they had spare parts available to speed up the process. "We have a few of these plates and we will be trying them this week to find some speed."

WINGSAIL CONTROL
While teams have to follow the same design for the size and shape of the sails, they can change how they control them. Team NZ is the only team that does not use ropes to control the wing, with skipper Glenn Ashby instead manipulating it with a mystery black box, dubbed the 'Playstation', which appears to have played a key role in their ability to sail at a higher point into the wind. Spithill said during Sunday's (Monday NZ time) post-race press conference they would be open to copying elements from Team NZ and this may be an area they want to analyse. "You're allowed to do quite a lot of significant changes to not only the appendages but the control systems, the set up of the wing; the list is so long and we've got opportunities," he said.

CHANGE IN PERSONNEL
In 2013, Oracle's bold decision to replace tactician John Kostecki with Sir Ben Ainslie while trailing 4-0 proved to be a masterstroke. Of course, unless there is a drastic last-minute rule change (this is the America's Cup so it cannot be ruled out), we know Ainslie will not be coming to the rescue. Their ability to make changes has also been limited by the reduction of the crew size from 11 to six members. This means if someone new is brought into the afterguard, unlike Ainslie he will have to have the brawns to match the brains to help with the grinding work. Spithill and his right-hand man, tactician Tom Slingsby, are unlikely to be going anywhere but the skipper has said they have enough depth to bring in fresh faces if required.


PRAY FOR MORE WIND
Regardless of any improvements Oracle make, it may not be enough if the winds fail to pick up on Bermuda's Great Sound. Team NZ have dominated in winds between 6-14 knots, with their 'kinky' light air foils giving them a clear edge in speed. If there is a team that won't be getting ahead of themselves it is the Kiwi syndicate. But with the early forecast for this weekend's looming races predicting a range of between 5-11 knots, the signs do not look promising for Oracle.
The wingsale control frightens me a bit as money can sort that out - but it still requires human input so can it be developed, perfected, taught and put into action in 5 days?

Foils - surely they can't design, manufacture, test and implement in 5 days??? Surely not??

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:29 am
by badmannotinjapan
Gazzamonster wrote:Everything I'm reading is saying that their is only four areas that Oracle can improve:
FOILS
The key area to generating more speed. But, while building new foils from scratch is out of the question - they take 80 days to complete and require up 15,000 pieces of carbon fibre, according to Oracle trimmer Joey Newton - there is some scope for modification. Teams are permitted to make unlimited changes of up to 10 per cent of the daggerboards (which usually pertains to the tip), while they have four chances to make alterations of up to 30 per cent. It will be a race against time to make significant modifications but Newton said they had spare parts available to speed up the process. "We have a few of these plates and we will be trying them this week to find some speed."

WINGSAIL CONTROL
While teams have to follow the same design for the size and shape of the sails, they can change how they control them. Team NZ is the only team that does not use ropes to control the wing, with skipper Glenn Ashby instead manipulating it with a mystery black box, dubbed the 'Playstation', which appears to have played a key role in their ability to sail at a higher point into the wind. Spithill said during Sunday's (Monday NZ time) post-race press conference they would be open to copying elements from Team NZ and this may be an area they want to analyse. "You're allowed to do quite a lot of significant changes to not only the appendages but the control systems, the set up of the wing; the list is so long and we've got opportunities," he said.

CHANGE IN PERSONNEL
In 2013, Oracle's bold decision to replace tactician John Kostecki with Sir Ben Ainslie while trailing 4-0 proved to be a masterstroke. Of course, unless there is a drastic last-minute rule change (this is the America's Cup so it cannot be ruled out), we know Ainslie will not be coming to the rescue. Their ability to make changes has also been limited by the reduction of the crew size from 11 to six members. This means if someone new is brought into the afterguard, unlike Ainslie he will have to have the brawns to match the brains to help with the grinding work. Spithill and his right-hand man, tactician Tom Slingsby, are unlikely to be going anywhere but the skipper has said they have enough depth to bring in fresh faces if required.


PRAY FOR MORE WIND
Regardless of any improvements Oracle make, it may not be enough if the winds fail to pick up on Bermuda's Great Sound. Team NZ have dominated in winds between 6-14 knots, with their 'kinky' light air foils giving them a clear edge in speed. If there is a team that won't be getting ahead of themselves it is the Kiwi syndicate. But with the early forecast for this weekend's looming races predicting a range of between 5-11 knots, the signs do not look promising for Oracle.
The wingsale control frightens me a bit as money can sort that out - but it still requires human input so can it be developed, perfected, taught and put into action in 5 days?

Foils - surely they can't design, manufacture, test and implement in 5 days??? Surely not??
Not the foils. They reckon 8 months. But the tips.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:30 am
by badmannotinjapan
guy smiley wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote: OTUSAUS
Oracle Team United States of America United States?

Seriously?
Wow.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:52 am
by sonic_attack
I doesn't take 8 months to manufacture a few pair of foils. That's ridiculous. Anyone with any fibreglass knowledge could bang a set out inside a week.

They might be talking 8 months of painstakingly hand crafting some and testing along the way. We have CAD and CNC that'll bang this stuff out quick as fudge. The longest part of that process is waiting 24 hours for resin to cure.

The only two things Oracle need to turn this around is time and money. They have both. About the only thing that would trip them up in a radical rapid design change is learning how to operate the changes before ETNZ's gets another 4 races won. They'll be learning as they race, or they'll squeeze in one day of practice to come to terms with their changes.

There will be an entire industry working for Oracle right now, let alone what's going on in their boatshed.

Don't have any doubt Oracle will be right on top of this come race day.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:44 am
by merlin the happy pig
sonic_attack wrote:I doesn't take 8 months to manufacture a few pair of foils. That's ridiculous. Anyone with any fibreglass knowledge could bang a set out inside a week.

They might be talking 8 months of painstakingly hand crafting some and testing along the way. We have CAD and CNC that'll bang this stuff out quick as fudge. The longest part of that process is waiting 24 hours for resin to cure.

The only two things Oracle need to turn this around is time and money. They have both. About the only thing that would trip them up in a radical rapid design change is learning how to operate the changes before ETNZ's gets another 4 races won. They'll be learning as they race, or they'll squeeze in one day of practice to come to terms with their changes.

There will be an entire industry working for Oracle right now, let alone what's going on in their boatshed.

Don't have any doubt Oracle will be right on top of this come race day.

Would be interested to hear from anyone with knowledge of this, but I though they were carbon fibre, the epoxy may.may not be the same, had also been told they were a composite of 15,000 parts or something equally ridiculous..

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:59 am
by Denirostaxidriver
merlin the happy pig wrote:
sonic_attack wrote:I doesn't take 8 months to manufacture a few pair of foils. That's ridiculous. Anyone with any fibreglass knowledge could bang a set out inside a week.

They might be talking 8 months of painstakingly hand crafting some and testing along the way. We have CAD and CNC that'll bang this stuff out quick as fudge. The longest part of that process is waiting 24 hours for resin to cure.

The only two things Oracle need to turn this around is time and money. They have both. About the only thing that would trip them up in a radical rapid design change is learning how to operate the changes before ETNZ's gets another 4 races won. They'll be learning as they race, or they'll squeeze in one day of practice to come to terms with their changes.

There will be an entire industry working for Oracle right now, let alone what's going on in their boatshed.

Don't have any doubt Oracle will be right on top of this come race day.

Would be interested to hear from anyone with knowledge of this, but I though they were carbon fibre, the epoxy may.may not be the same, had also been told they were a composite of 15,000 parts or something equally ridiculous..
The previous post just makes it all sound a little bit simple. If the US team were smart (indeed, any of the teams) they would have been making these weeks ago then. If it really was that simple.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:08 am
by The Native
Foil development is 8 months. Foil manufacture is relatively quick.

When OTUSA narrowed the scope for design, they also narrowed their ability to make any radical changes that would actually work. At this stage you're looking at refinement of current design rather than development of new design.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:11 am
by usermame
obelixtim wrote: Sponsors won't be a problem if they are the holders.
Omega would be jizzing in their fondue.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:16 am
by badmannotinjapan
sonic_attack wrote:I doesn't take 8 months to manufacture a few pair of foils. That's ridiculous. Anyone with any fibreglass knowledge could bang a set out inside a week.

They might be talking 8 months of painstakingly hand crafting some and testing along the way. We have CAD and CNC that'll bang this stuff out quick as fudge. The longest part of that process is waiting 24 hours for resin to cure.

The only two things Oracle need to turn this around is time and money. They have both. About the only thing that would trip them up in a radical rapid design change is learning how to operate the changes before ETNZ's gets another 4 races won. They'll be learning as they race, or they'll squeeze in one day of practice to come to terms with their changes.

There will be an entire industry working for Oracle right now, let alone what's going on in their boatshed.

Don't have any doubt Oracle will be right on top of this come race day.
It's not just epoxy and carbon. It's loadings, design etc. Besides they can only have 4 sets.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:53 am
by The Native
Wind pressure looks to be in ETNZ's favour - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... d=11880142

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:05 am
by _fb_
badmannotinjapan wrote:
sonic_attack wrote:I doesn't take 8 months to manufacture a few pair of foils. That's ridiculous. Anyone with any fibreglass knowledge could bang a set out inside a week.

They might be talking 8 months of painstakingly hand crafting some and testing along the way. We have CAD and CNC that'll bang this stuff out quick as fudge. The longest part of that process is waiting 24 hours for resin to cure.

The only two things Oracle need to turn this around is time and money. They have both. About the only thing that would trip them up in a radical rapid design change is learning how to operate the changes before ETNZ's gets another 4 races won. They'll be learning as they race, or they'll squeeze in one day of practice to come to terms with their changes.

There will be an entire industry working for Oracle right now, let alone what's going on in their boatshed.

Don't have any doubt Oracle will be right on top of this come race day.
It's not just epoxy and carbon. It's loadings, design etc. Besides they can only have 4 sets.

Pretty sure it's only 4 all up - 2 sets of 2.


from Gazza's quote...
FOILS
The key area to generating more speed. But, while building new foils from scratch is out of the question - they take 80 days to complete and require up 15,000 pieces of carbon fibre, according to Oracle trimmer Joey Newton - there is some scope for modification. Teams are permitted to make unlimited changes of up to 10 per cent of the daggerboards (which usually pertains to the tip), while they have four chances to make alterations of up to 30 per cent. It will be a race against time to make significant modifications but Newton said they had spare parts available to speed up the process. "We have a few of these plates and we will be trying them this week to find some speed.
I'm guessing that would have to be surface area. How on earth is that being monitored?

As for this...
WINGSAIL CONTROL
While teams have to follow the same design for the size and shape of the sails, they can change how they control them. Team NZ is the only team that does not use ropes to control the wing, with skipper Glenn Ashby instead manipulating it with a mystery black box, dubbed the 'Playstation', which appears to have played a key role in their ability to sail at a higher point into the wind. Spithill said during Sunday's (Monday NZ time) post-race press conference they would be open to copying elements from Team NZ and this may be an area they want to analyse. "You're allowed to do quite a lot of significant changes to not only the appendages but the control systems, the set up of the wing; the list is so long and we've got opportunities," he said.
I won't be surprised if Oracle protests ETNZ's wingsail control system.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:17 am
by obelixtim
_fb_ wrote:
badmannotinjapan wrote:
sonic_attack wrote:I doesn't take 8 months to manufacture a few pair of foils. That's ridiculous. Anyone with any fibreglass knowledge could bang a set out inside a week.

They might be talking 8 months of painstakingly hand crafting some and testing along the way. We have CAD and CNC that'll bang this stuff out quick as fudge. The longest part of that process is waiting 24 hours for resin to cure.

The only two things Oracle need to turn this around is time and money. They have both. About the only thing that would trip them up in a radical rapid design change is learning how to operate the changes before ETNZ's gets another 4 races won. They'll be learning as they race, or they'll squeeze in one day of practice to come to terms with their changes.

There will be an entire industry working for Oracle right now, let alone what's going on in their boatshed.

Don't have any doubt Oracle will be right on top of this come race day.
It's not just epoxy and carbon. It's loadings, design etc. Besides they can only have 4 sets.

Pretty sure it's only 4 all up - 2 sets of 2.


from Gazza's quote...
FOILS
The key area to generating more speed. But, while building new foils from scratch is out of the question - they take 80 days to complete and require up 15,000 pieces of carbon fibre, according to Oracle trimmer Joey Newton - there is some scope for modification. Teams are permitted to make unlimited changes of up to 10 per cent of the daggerboards (which usually pertains to the tip), while they have four chances to make alterations of up to 30 per cent. It will be a race against time to make significant modifications but Newton said they had spare parts available to speed up the process. "We have a few of these plates and we will be trying them this week to find some speed.
I'm guessing that would have to be surface area. How on earth is that being monitored?

As for this...
WINGSAIL CONTROL
While teams have to follow the same design for the size and shape of the sails, they can change how they control them. Team NZ is the only team that does not use ropes to control the wing, with skipper Glenn Ashby instead manipulating it with a mystery black box, dubbed the 'Playstation', which appears to have played a key role in their ability to sail at a higher point into the wind. Spithill said during Sunday's (Monday NZ time) post-race press conference they would be open to copying elements from Team NZ and this may be an area they want to analyse. "You're allowed to do quite a lot of significant changes to not only the appendages but the control systems, the set up of the wing; the list is so long and we've got opportunities," he said.
I won't be surprised if Oracle protests ETNZ's wingsail control system.
I'm sure they will protest anything and everything they can. Its been a tactic in the past which has had some success in psyching out NZ teams (KZ7 fibreglass hull, Bowsprits etc) but hopefully Burling and co know what might be coming and just focus on their job on the water. They should not be caught out by protests.

Oracle will become increasingly desperate if ETNZ win the next race. So they will try any tactic they can.

Bring on the light winds.....

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:20 am
by The Native
Can they protest so late in the regatta though? It's been given the once over by the measuring committee and given the all clear.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:24 am
by usermame
_fb_ wrote:I'm guessing that would have to be surface area. How on earth is that being monitored?
Weight, as I understand it.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:25 am
by obelixtim
The Native wrote:Can they protest so late in the regatta though? It's been given the once over by the measuring committee and given the all clear.
Whether they can or not, it won't stop them trying. They'll be trying to get inside Burlings head.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:25 am
by usermame
_fb_ wrote:I won't be surprised if Oracle protests ETNZ's wingsail control system.
Already been put to the measurement committee or whatever and passed.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:27 am
by usermame
obelixtim wrote: Whether they can or not, it won't stop them trying. They'll be trying to get inside Burlings head.
They'll just be laughed at. Maybe an eye roll.

Re: Americas Cup - OFFICIAL match thread

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:37 am
by sonic_attack
Good on Oracle if they claw it back again.

I'd rather they didn't but you have to admire the absolute frantic horror of where they are now, and to be able to pull it out of the hat as they did in 2013. Imagine the pressure they're under as a syndicate right now.