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Gospel wrote:

globus wrote:It was nice to get an accolade.

Bullshitter of the year?

Close, but no cigar.

Sailors always treat those in difficulty. I am no exception.

So far I have lost nobody overboard and rescued a few.

That goes for my rugby career too.

lexpat wrote:

Yourmother wrote:

globus wrote:This is getting mad.

It certainly proves the concept works. Wish there was a video with it. Claims it can foil in just 10 knots.

No, it doesn't, photoshop.
Transparent mast and no battens in the mainsail? It's a rendered pic by Philippe Briand studio concept.

Yes, think you might be right, the sailing anarchy guys suggested the same. Though apparently the Brit team have something built already, though it’s not yet functional.

Footage of BAR testing foiling...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-spor ... pp-android

Impressive!

That looks great. It's the sheer speed of these foiling boats that grabs my attention. I don't think the British team have a hope in hell in winning the cup - ever - but it's nice have a teensy little bit of skin in the game.

A 75 footer is absolutely going to motor. It's going to be fun.

Gospel wrote:That looks great. It's the sheer speed of these foiling boats that grabs my attention. I don't think the British team have a hope in hell in winning the cup - ever - but it's nice have a teensy little bit of skin in the game.

I think Ainsley has as good a chance, probably better than most.
He's no fool, people know it, and are backing him.

sonic_attack wrote:

Gospel wrote:That looks great. It's the sheer speed of these foiling boats that grabs my attention. I don't think the British team have a hope in hell in winning the cup - ever - but it's nice have a teensy little bit of skin in the game.

I think Ainsley has as good a chance, probably better than most.
He's no fool, people know it, and are backing him.

A good chance but not a great one. ETNZ and Prada will be favourites.

Hindsight says TNZ had the benefit of surprising the shit out of everyone with a boat the others couldn't realistically compete with. They practically walked it in Bermuda.
My understanding is there's a lot of one design aspects now which will make it all pretty tight.

I'm sure TNZ were favourites in 2003? And we just ate shit and were humiliated.

Kudos going to a challenger getting the first model up and running. They’ll be learning a lot from this.

sonic_attack wrote:Hindsight says TNZ had the benefit of surprising the shit out of everyone with a boat the others couldn't realistically compete with. They practically walked it in Bermuda.
My understanding is there's a lot of one design aspects now which will make it all pretty tight.

I'm sure TNZ were favourites in 2003? And we just ate shit and were humiliated.

ETNZ did surprise everyone by not revealing their design too early. On the flip side, they were also learnig how to sail the boat right up to and throughout the LVC and AC series.

So will everyone have bicycle grinders in the next AC?

terryfinch wrote:So will everyone have bicycle grinders in the next AC?

No, they've nixed it. Traditional grinders only.

sonic_attack wrote:Hindsight says TNZ had the benefit of surprising the shit out of everyone with a boat the others couldn't realistically compete with. They practically walked it in Bermuda.
My understanding is there's a lot of one design aspects now which will make it all pretty tight.

I'm sure TNZ were favourites in 2003? And we just ate shit and were humiliated.

That was the boat that needed bailing out wasn't it? And kept breaking.

This is warming up nicely. I hope coverage of the races will be comprehensive.

dinsdale wrote:

sonic_attack wrote:Hindsight says TNZ had the benefit of surprising the shit out of everyone with a boat the others couldn't realistically compete with. They practically walked it in Bermuda.
My understanding is there's a lot of one design aspects now which will make it all pretty tight.

I'm sure TNZ were favourites in 2003? And we just ate shit and were humiliated.

That was the boat that needed bailing out wasn't it? And kept breaking.

Not necessarily favourites once ButterCoutts and the tight five bailed.

Black Magic was actually a very very quick boat but was tuned all wrong with some design flaws. The Millennium rig was a great idea in theory but couldn't handle the seas.

Our biggest issue was Sir Peter.

The Native wrote:

terryfinch wrote:So will everyone have bicycle grinders in the next AC?

No, they've nixed it. Traditional grinders only.

It seems an odd decision.
an innovative idea, why lock this down?

Also given the general opinion that these things will be incredibly hard to sail, I would have thought having hands free for a distributed control system would be even more vital than the last time.

merlin the happy pig wrote:

The Native wrote:

terryfinch wrote:So will everyone have bicycle grinders in the next AC?

No, they've nixed it. Traditional grinders only.

It seems an odd decision.
an innovative idea, why lock this down?

Also given the general opinion that these things will be incredibly hard to sail, I would have thought having hands free for a distributed control system would be even more vital than the last time.

They wanted to get back to using sailors rather than cyclists. Not sure why they think they will get sailors just because there are grinders (gym rats), but that was their statement. But the monohull won't have the space for grinders so I think it's a moot point. And isn't the foresail cloth again? I seem to remember something about that. But I think the lack of requirement for a spinnaker is an opportunity missed. The deck work required for gybe sets etc is where sailors earn their worth.

Snooze wrote:

merlin the happy pig wrote:

The Native wrote:

terryfinch wrote:So will everyone have bicycle grinders in the next AC?

No, they've nixed it. Traditional grinders only.

It seems an odd decision.
an innovative idea, why lock this down?

Also given the general opinion that these things will be incredibly hard to sail, I would have thought having hands free for a distributed control system would be even more vital than the last time.

They wanted to get back to using sailors rather than cyclists. Not sure why they think they will get sailors just because there are grinders (gym rats), but that was their statement. But the monohull won't have the space for grinders so I think it's a moot point. And isn't the foresail cloth again? I seem to remember something about that. But I think the lack of requirement for a spinnaker is an opportunity missed. The deck work required for gybe sets etc is where sailors earn their worth.

Space? It's a 75 footer. The same as the IACCs. They need grinders to push hydraulic fluid. Both sails will be cloth but I believe they are going for a cloth wing on the main.

badmannotinjapan wrote:

Snooze wrote:

merlin the happy pig wrote:

The Native wrote:

terryfinch wrote:So will everyone have bicycle grinders in the next AC?

No, they've nixed it. Traditional grinders only.

It seems an odd decision.
an innovative idea, why lock this down?

Also given the general opinion that these things will be incredibly hard to sail, I would have thought having hands free for a distributed control system would be even more vital than the last time.

They wanted to get back to using sailors rather than cyclists. Not sure why they think they will get sailors just because there are grinders (gym rats), but that was their statement. But the monohull won't have the space for grinders so I think it's a moot point. And isn't the foresail cloth again? I seem to remember something about that. But I think the lack of requirement for a spinnaker is an opportunity missed. The deck work required for gybe sets etc is where sailors earn their worth.

Space? It's a 75 footer. The same as the IACCs. They need grinders to push hydraulic fluid. Both sails will be cloth but I believe they are going for a cloth wing on the main.

Yip, I've sailed the 65 footers and no way there's room for much apart from those controlling the sails. Nothing forward of the mast, and last 20ft taken up with helm and transom.

Snooze wrote: Yip, I've sailed the 65 footers and no way there's room for much apart from those controlling the sails. Nothing forward of the mast, and last 20ft taken up with helm and transom.

Deck layout will be vital for balance.

Didn't realise this but J.Spit has jumped ship to LR.

badmannotinjapan wrote:Didn't realise this but J.Spit has jumped ship to LR.

His ship sank to be fair

Yourmother wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:Didn't realise this but J.Spit has jumped ship to LR.

His ship sank to be fair

Still, he's an AC whore.

badmannotinjapan wrote:

Snooze wrote: Yip, I've sailed the 65 footers and no way there's room for much apart from those controlling the sails. Nothing forward of the mast, and last 20ft taken up with helm and transom.

Deck layout will be vital for balance.

I'm still in "how the fudge" mode. The side pressures on the fin must be huge (somebody in fluid dynamics can chime in any time) to be able to help keep the boat laterally (port/starboard) stable, given there's 400,000 sq m of sail above the water. And the skillz of the crew being able to keep it fore/aft stable is equally cool.

I'm gonna try and time my next trip home to coincide with this.

Snooze wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:

Snooze wrote: Yip, I've sailed the 65 footers and no way there's room for much apart from those controlling the sails. Nothing forward of the mast, and last 20ft taken up with helm and transom.

Deck layout will be vital for balance.

I'm still in "how the fudge" mode. The side pressures on the fin must be huge (somebody in fluid dynamics can chime in any time) to be able to help keep the boat laterally (port/starboard) stable, given there's 400,000 sq m of sail above the water. And the skillz of the crew being able to keep it fore/aft stable is equally cool.

I'm gonna try and time my next trip home to coincide with this.

Similar to keeping a plane in the air. 250,000kgs of fuel plus the passengers, cargo weight etc....

badmannotinjapan wrote:

Snooze wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:

Snooze wrote: Yip, I've sailed the 65 footers and no way there's room for much apart from those controlling the sails. Nothing forward of the mast, and last 20ft taken up with helm and transom.

Deck layout will be vital for balance.

I'm still in "how the fudge" mode. The side pressures on the fin must be huge (somebody in fluid dynamics can chime in any time) to be able to help keep the boat laterally (port/starboard) stable, given there's 400,000 sq m of sail above the water. And the skillz of the crew being able to keep it fore/aft stable is equally cool.

I'm gonna try and time my next trip home to coincide with this.

Similar to keeping a plane in the air. 250,000kgs of fuel plus the passengers, cargo weight etc....

One is to assume these boats will be on a conveyor . . .

Ineos Team GB are quick off the mark in case others haven’t seen their scaled down version.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPWHWK0TT0

Looks exciting.

How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

The new AC boats will be bloody exciting.

Good article here explaining why/how the AC75 will be faster than the AC50 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bNO0t2s02I

exciting barely describes it. There won't have been much harbour sailing thats seen the public being able to watch yachts whizzing around at 40+ knot.
If they get some days that will see 50+ knot, well...

usermame wrote:How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

Crikey. We used to use something similar years ago in lift design, but this is the dog's biscuits.

Things have moved on a bit!

Wot? There's another America's Cup?

usermame wrote:How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

So no tacking duels...

badmannotinjapan wrote:

usermame wrote:How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

So no tacking duels...

Looks unlikely. It's why I have always thought that the races should be in monohulls.

Much more technical fun than brute force.

globus wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:

usermame wrote:How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

So no tacking duels...

Looks unlikely. It's why I have always thought that the races should be in monohulls.

Much more technical fun than brute force.

They are mono hulls.

globus wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:

usermame wrote:How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

So no tacking duels...

Looks unlikely. It's why I have always thought that the races should be in monohulls.

Much more technical fun than brute force.

I suppose it depends on the mode of sailing as well...

badmannotinjapan wrote:

globus wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:

usermame wrote:How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

So no tacking duels...

Looks unlikely. It's why I have always thought that the races should be in monohulls.

Much more technical fun than brute force.

I suppose it depends on the mode of sailing as well...

And in the last AC there were a few tacking "duels". But the boats were so fast that it didn't resemble the ponderous stuff that was seen in the old monos.

The Native wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:

globus wrote:

badmannotinjapan wrote:

usermame wrote:How the foils will raise and lower.

https://youtu.be/_B37zmJpBv4

So no tacking duels...

Looks unlikely. It's why I have always thought that the races should be in monohulls.

Much more technical fun than brute force.

I suppose it depends on the mode of sailing as well...

And in the last AC there were a few tacking "duels". But the boats were so fast that it didn't resemble the ponderous stuff that was seen in the old monos.

Yes the starts were a brilliant demonstration too.

The no look gybe was a stupendous brilliant moment in the America’s cup.