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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 11:08 am 
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Is there really a better option than the current arrangement? Can Northern Ireland not just be its own country, and not have to be classified as being strictly Irish or strictly British?


It would be a fairly poor country that would take quite some time to find its niche in the European and global game.
Besides, that population that would accept that solution would be significantly outnumbered by those who wouldn't, whether they be of orange or green hue.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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the commonwealth is a busted flush these days.

India is not interested in it. it has less and less relevance to the modern world.


What rubbish!


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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I read an article in the Guardian by a professor who was head of Commonwealth studies somewhere. He was debunking the idea of easy post brexit trade deals with commonwealth countries. When asked what the commonwealth actually does he could only say that it doesn't cost much.
The Commonwealth is harmless enough and a United Ireland could easily get on with paying lip service to it, like everyone else.

There have been dire predictions on the future of the monarchy and commonwealth post QE2. I don't know how much wish full thinking has informed those opinions. If Australia becomes a republic do others follow?

To voters in ROI, I think Monarchy would not be acceptable but the commonwealth should be.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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eldanielfire wrote:
ukjim wrote:
the commonwealth is a busted flush these days.

India is not interested in it. it has less and less relevance to the modern world.


What rubbish!

I would qualify my statement to ambivalent rather than not interested.

granted modi did actually attend the last commonwealth summit, but indian PMs have been conspicuous by their absence. for the previous 4 summits.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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The Commonwealth issue, while it might be practical, is just fundamentally a non-runner. It's like Winnie saying that the tricolour would have to go; nationalists will simply not agree to joining the Commonwealth on principle.

On what principle? It doesn't change any constitutional arrangements. There's no doffing the cap. Its a trade/democracy talking shop. Non brit colonies have joined. Few have Queen as head of state.


The Queen/sovereign is the head of the commonwealth.


Not anymore.


Yes, she or he is. Until 2030 or whenever it is, when no doubt another British sovereign will be chosen.

No thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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Why on earth would us Brits want to join up with the Isis of the north. Never going to happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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Why?


Firstly I don't see any benefits that isn't already conferred by our membership of other international organisations. I also don't think anything with the British monarch as head is a goer for Ireland, considering our history.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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As I said last night, you can go on about the Commonwealth and the tri-colour all you like, but until there is someone serious to negotiate with on the Northern Unionist side (and that ain't the UK government) there'll be no New Ireland Forum 2. And the longer there are no negotiations, the less leverage the Unionists will have.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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What if the option is to join the Commonwealth, the UK gets kicked out, and Michael D is the new head?


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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There have been dire predictions on the future of the monarchy and commonwealth post QE2. I don't know how much wish full thinking has informed those opinions. If Australia becomes a republic do others follow?

The Monarchy and the Commonwealth are totally separate things.

If Australia becomes a republic - and fully I support us doing so - it would certainly remain in the Commonwealth.

Is the Commonwealth overrated? Possibly. But it is another talking-shop (or intergovernmental forum, if you want to make it sound better) that can be used for influence. Plus as the economies of Africa rise, as they will, the usefulness of the Commonwealth will increase.

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To voters in ROI, I think Monarchy would not be acceptable but the commonwealth should be.

Yep, why not?

If the Nordies want to keep those ties, they should be allowed.

And for Ireland more generally, even if it only extends to sport e.g. the Commonwealth Games, it's a level of competition where they could do some damage instead of being rolled all the time by the Superpowers. :P


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One queen is as good as another.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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What if the option is to join the Commonwealth, the UK gets kicked out, and Michael D is the new head?


Grand, and we can then disband the whole thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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What if the option is to join the Commonwealth, the UK gets kicked out, and Michael D is the new head?


Grand, and we can then disband the whole thing.

Smashing, but before that happens all the flags that have Union Jacks in them have it replaced by the Tricolour.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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What if the option is to join the Commonwealth, the UK gets kicked out, and Michael D is the new head?


Grand, and we can then disband the whole thing.

Smashing, but before that happens all the flags that have Union Jacks in them have it replaced by the Tricolour.

What about a green, white and orange fleg in the UJ pattern.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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Nolanator wrote:
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What if the option is to join the Commonwealth, the UK gets kicked out, and Michael D is the new head?


Grand, and we can then disband the whole thing.

Smashing, but before that happens all the flags that have Union Jacks in them have it replaced by the Tricolour.

What about a green, white and orange fleg in the UJ pattern.

I've seen that before, not a fan of the look.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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I think the crux of some of these issues is getting your head around the fact that a UI would be a new country, it wouldn't just be adding 6 more counties into the Irish Republic. It would be an independent republic, but there would have to be significant changes to the symbolism and governance. And if the symbolic entry into a non entity like the Commonwealth is too much for some to stomach well then you're unlikely to stomach the rest. And given the consessions the unionist community would have to make it seems incredibly mealy-mouthed.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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I think the crux of some of these issues is getting your head around the fact that a UI would be a new country, it wouldn't just be adding 6 more counties into the Irish Republic. It would be an independent republic, but there would have to be significant changes to the symbolism and governance. And if the symbolic entry into a non entity like the Commonwealth is too much for some to stomach well then you're unlikely to stomach the rest. And given the consessions the unionist community would have to make it seems incredibly mealy-mouthed.

Aye, but we need to keep the brand identity together for the Yanks.


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I think the crux of some of these issues is getting your head around the fact that a UI would be a new country, it wouldn't just be adding 6 more counties into the Irish Republic. It would be an independent republic, but there would have to be significant changes to the symbolism and governance. And if the symbolic entry into a non entity like the Commonwealth is too much for some to stomach well then you're unlikely to stomach the rest. And given the consessions the unionist community would have to make it seems incredibly mealy-mouthed.

Aye, but we need to keep the brand identity together for the Yanks.

Sure they're all into Scotch Irish these days. Need to tap into that southern WASP money.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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etherman wrote:
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I think the crux of some of these issues is getting your head around the fact that a UI would be a new country, it wouldn't just be adding 6 more counties into the Irish Republic. It would be an independent republic, but there would have to be significant changes to the symbolism and governance. And if the symbolic entry into a non entity like the Commonwealth is too much for some to stomach well then you're unlikely to stomach the rest. And given the consessions the unionist community would have to make it seems incredibly mealy-mouthed.

Aye, but we need to keep the brand identity together for the Yanks.

Sure they're all into Scotch Irish these days. Need to tap into that southern WASP money.

Right so, St Patrick's cross flag with his blue as the background instead of white. Cash money.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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To get a reunification over the line, there'd have to be a serious amount of give and take on both sides, both for practical reasons and to grease the wheels (not just of the act of reunification but the integration of the two societies).

What should "Rep." Ireland want?
1) Government based solely in Dublin. Stormont closed.
2) Very strong role in redrawing electoral boundaries and administrative regions both sides.
3) Compulsory integration of the education system in the north (maybe a chance to do some overdue housekeeping south also). I have a feeling this would be fudged and it's the single most important job of all.
4) No significant cost to the handover of infrastructure from UK, given NI is a cost centre and not a contributor and will continue to be for some time.
5) Transition to the euro asap, but EU to adjust budgetary and fiscal limits to allow overspend/defecits during and following integration.

NI should want:
1) New symbols of State. New flag, new anthem, new protocols
2) Specific Minister or ministers for Ulster Affairs for at least 15 years. Tánaiste to be NI appointee for a specific period?
3) Department or Junior Ministry under Dept of Arts Heritage for Ulster Scots heritage
4) Dedicate budget for Transition/Integration
5) They'll want very long lead times for integration of many Ulster public services and benefits
6) Commonwealth membership seems to me an easy concession but a very outmoded institution. Maybe reunification could provide a new platform for a strategic alliance with the UK and partners that isn't steeped in imperialism and irrelevant connections.
7) Recognition of the Ulster Fry as the de facto Irish breakfast. Can see this being a deal-breaker.

What would be the practically required concessions/demands to make it work? Let's face it, when it comes to ROI/NI (and particularly but not exclusively Unionists), there is no hill too small to die on, so bargaining will be excruciating and rife.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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To get a reunification over the line, there'd have to be a serious amount of give and take on both sides, both for practical reasons and to grease the wheels (not just of the act of reunification but the integration of the two societies).

What should "Rep." Ireland want?
1) Government based solely in Dublin. Stormont closed.
2) Very strong role in redrawing electoral boundaries and administrative regions both sides.
3) Compulsory integration of the education system in the north (maybe a chance to do some overdue housekeeping south also). I have a feeling this would be fudged and it's the single most important job of all.
4) No significant cost to the handover of infrastructure from UK, given NI is a cost centre and not a contributor and will continue to be for some time.
5) Transition to the euro asap, but EU to adjust budgetary and fiscal limits to allow overspend/defecits during and following integration.

NI should want:
1) New symbols of State. New flag, new anthem, new protocols
2) Specific Minister or ministers for Ulster Affairs for at least 15 years. Tánaiste to be NI appointee for a specific period?
3) Department or Junior Ministry under Dept of Arts Heritage for Ulster Scots heritage
4) Dedicate budget for Transition/Integration
5) They'll want very long lead times for integration of many Ulster public services and benefits
6) Commonwealth membership seems to me an easy concession but a very outmoded institution. Maybe reunification could provide a new platform for a strategic alliance with the UK and partners that isn't steeped in imperialism and irrelevant connections.
7) Recognition of the Ulster Fry as the de facto Irish breakfast. Can see this being a deal-breaker.

What would be the practically required concessions/demands to make it work? Let's face it, when it comes to ROI/NI (and particularly but not exclusively Unionists), there is no hill too small to die on, so bargaining will be excruciating and rife.


There'd be a hefty transition payment for the UK to pay for a significant amount of time. Former NI residents to retain dual citizenship. Losing the NHS would be seen as a massive loss. Rightly or wrongly.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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Don't see the issue with joining the commonwealth at all, it's one of the softest sops we could give to the unionist side and would probably be beneficial for us anyway


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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Don't see the issue with joining the commonwealth at all, it's one of the softest sops we could give to the unionist side and would probably be beneficial for us anyway

This.


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 Post subject: Re: Irish reunification
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etherman wrote:
There'd be a hefty transition payment for the UK to pay for a significant amount of time. Former NI residents to retain dual citizenship. Losing the NHS would be seen as a massive loss. Rightly or wrongly.


You're prob right about the UK. Very difficult to avoid a payment given Brexit and Scots referendum.


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There'd be a hefty transition payment for the UK to pay for a significant amount of time. Former NI residents to retain dual citizenship. Losing the NHS would be seen as a massive loss. Rightly or wrongly.


You're prob right about the UK. Very difficult to avoid a payment given Brexit and Scots referendum.


There'd be a shit load of civil servants to pay off!


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etherman wrote:
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There'd be a hefty transition payment for the UK to pay for a significant amount of time. Former NI residents to retain dual citizenship. Losing the NHS would be seen as a massive loss. Rightly or wrongly.


You're prob right about the UK. Very difficult to avoid a payment given Brexit and Scots referendum.


There'd be a shit load of civil servants to pay off!


Ireland pay off a civil servant to facilitate an integration? Are you daft??!!


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jezzer wrote:
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There'd be a hefty transition payment for the UK to pay for a significant amount of time. Former NI residents to retain dual citizenship. Losing the NHS would be seen as a massive loss. Rightly or wrongly.


You're prob right about the UK. Very difficult to avoid a payment given Brexit and Scots referendum.


There'd be a shit load of civil servants to pay off!


Ireland pay off a civil servant to facilitate an integration? Are you daft??!!

We have more civil servants than we have people.


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etherman wrote:
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There'd be a shit load of civil servants to pay off!


Ireland pay off a civil servant to facilitate an integration? Are you daft??!!

We have more civil servants than we have people.

So does the HSE


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What if the option is to join the Commonwealth, the UK gets kicked out, and Michael D is the new head?

Husht now, the big boys are talking


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I can't help noting everyone is skirting around the real issue. The fact is our national bread would have to change from brown/wheaten, to Veda. Its not as good with soup or smoked salmon but it is a belter on its own with hot butter and goes equally well with raspberry jam or cheese. Also, its scottish origins can be marketed as a sop to unionists.


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jezzer wrote:
To get a reunification over the line, there'd have to be a serious amount of give and take on both sides, both for practical reasons and to grease the wheels (not just of the act of reunification but the integration of the two societies).

What should "Rep." Ireland want?
1) Government based solely in Dublin. Stormont closed.
2) Very strong role in redrawing electoral boundaries and administrative regions both sides.
3) Compulsory integration of the education system in the north (maybe a chance to do some overdue housekeeping south also). I have a feeling this would be fudged and it's the single most important job of all.
4) No significant cost to the handover of infrastructure from UK, given NI is a cost centre and not a contributor and will continue to be for some time.
5) Transition to the euro asap, but EU to adjust budgetary and fiscal limits to allow overspend/defecits during and following integration.

NI should want:
1) New symbols of State. New flag, new anthem, new protocols
2) Specific Minister or ministers for Ulster Affairs for at least 15 years. Tánaiste to be NI appointee for a specific period?
3) Department or Junior Ministry under Dept of Arts Heritage for Ulster Scots heritage
4) Dedicate budget for Transition/Integration
5) They'll want very long lead times for integration of many Ulster public services and benefits
6) Commonwealth membership seems to me an easy concession but a very outmoded institution. Maybe reunification could provide a new platform for a strategic alliance with the UK and partners that isn't steeped in imperialism and irrelevant connections.
7) Recognition of the Ulster Fry as the de facto Irish breakfast. Can see this being a deal-breaker.

What would be the practically required concessions/demands to make it work? Let's face it, when it comes to ROI/NI (and particularly but not exclusively Unionists), there is no hill too small to die on, so bargaining will be excruciating and rife.

Some fair comments there.
If and its a very big IF it were to ever happen it cannot be seen as a victory for anyone, that is a sure fire road to civil war.
If they went up and down Belfast with tricolours out in jubilation it would be in flames by the end of the day.

It has to be seen as a new country being created, one that is designed for everyone and to make everyone feel comfortable.
Ironically for it to work the initial solution would need to actually piss off everyone, unionists go reluctantly and Nationalists get a dilution of something that was their dream
Losing your country is a massive thing to stomach, nationalists are in return going to have to stomach the loss of lots of things they hold dear to as well or it wouldnt work, well at least wouldnt be peaceful.

This is why the Commonwealth membership would need to be an integral part to negotiations for the first ever unification of the island as one country.
Then as you say Tricolour - binned, Soldier Song - binned, Taoiseach - binned (its Prime Minister), Tánaiste - binned (its deputy prime minister), Angelus - binned, Dail - binned (its Parliament).

As someone stated just amalgamating NI into the current ROI structure would not work.


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jezzer wrote:
To get a reunification over the line, there'd have to be a serious amount of give and take on both sides, both for practical reasons and to grease the wheels (not just of the act of reunification but the integration of the two societies).

What should "Rep." Ireland want?
1) Government based solely in Dublin. Stormont closed.
2) Very strong role in redrawing electoral boundaries and administrative regions both sides.
3) Compulsory integration of the education system in the north (maybe a chance to do some overdue housekeeping south also). I have a feeling this would be fudged and it's the single most important job of all.
4) No significant cost to the handover of infrastructure from UK, given NI is a cost centre and not a contributor and will continue to be for some time.
5) Transition to the euro asap, but EU to adjust budgetary and fiscal limits to allow overspend/defecits during and following integration.

NI should want:
1) New symbols of State. New flag, new anthem, new protocols
2) Specific Minister or ministers for Ulster Affairs for at least 15 years. Tánaiste to be NI appointee for a specific period?
3) Department or Junior Ministry under Dept of Arts Heritage for Ulster Scots heritage
4) Dedicate budget for Transition/Integration
5) They'll want very long lead times for integration of many Ulster public services and benefits
6) Commonwealth membership seems to me an easy concession but a very outmoded institution. Maybe reunification could provide a new platform for a strategic alliance with the UK and partners that isn't steeped in imperialism and irrelevant connections.
7) Recognition of the Ulster Fry as the de facto Irish breakfast. Can see this being a deal-breaker.

What would be the practically required concessions/demands to make it work? Let's face it, when it comes to ROI/NI (and particularly but not exclusively Unionists), there is no hill too small to die on, so bargaining will be excruciating and rife.

Some fair comments there.
If and its a very big IF it were to ever happen it cannot be seen as a victory for anyone, that is a sure fire road to civil war.
If they went up and down Belfast with tricolours out in jubilation it would be in flames by the end of the day.

It has to be seen as a new country being created, one that is designed for everyone and to make everyone feel comfortable.
Ironically for it to work the initial solution would need to actually piss off everyone, unionists go reluctantly and Nationalists get a dilution of something that was their dream
Losing your country is a massive thing to stomach, nationalists are in return going to have to stomach the loss of lots of things they hold dear to as well or it wouldnt work, well at least wouldnt be peaceful.

This is why the Commonwealth membership would need to be an integral part to negotiations for the first ever unification of the island as one country.
Then as you say Tricolour - binned, Soldier Song - binned, Taoiseach - binned (its Prime Minister), Tánaiste - binned (its deputy prime minister), Angelus - binned, Dail - binned (its Parliament).

As someone stated just amalgamating NI into the current ROI structure would not work.

I do think it'd be a federal set up with Stormont remaining as a regional seat of government at least for some period.


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Just a little bit of history regarding Ireland and the Commonwealth -

After we were booted out for declaring a republic, the rules were changed practically overnight to prevent India from suffering the same expulsion fate.

De Velera was a significant critic of the Costello government for not applying to re-join the Commonwealth, a change from his earlier position of an independent Ireland having an external association with the Commonwealth. So from the birth of the Free State, to the birth of the Republic, Dev was all for the Commonwealth.

So I think the fact that Republican Jesus was mad for a bit of the auld Commonwealth should make rejoining it a lot more palatable to the armchair republicans.


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jezzer wrote:
To get a reunification over the line, there'd have to be a serious amount of give and take on both sides, both for practical reasons and to grease the wheels (not just of the act of reunification but the integration of the two societies).

What should "Rep." Ireland want?
1) Government based solely in Dublin. Stormont closed.
2) Very strong role in redrawing electoral boundaries and administrative regions both sides.
3) Compulsory integration of the education system in the north (maybe a chance to do some overdue housekeeping south also). I have a feeling this would be fudged and it's the single most important job of all.
4) No significant cost to the handover of infrastructure from UK, given NI is a cost centre and not a contributor and will continue to be for some time.
5) Transition to the euro asap, but EU to adjust budgetary and fiscal limits to allow overspend/defecits during and following integration.

NI should want:
1) New symbols of State. New flag, new anthem, new protocols
2) Specific Minister or ministers for Ulster Affairs for at least 15 years. Tánaiste to be NI appointee for a specific period?
3) Department or Junior Ministry under Dept of Arts Heritage for Ulster Scots heritage
4) Dedicate budget for Transition/Integration
5) They'll want very long lead times for integration of many Ulster public services and benefits
6) Commonwealth membership seems to me an easy concession but a very outmoded institution. Maybe reunification could provide a new platform for a strategic alliance with the UK and partners that isn't steeped in imperialism and irrelevant connections.
7) Recognition of the Ulster Fry as the de facto Irish breakfast. Can see this being a deal-breaker.

What would be the practically required concessions/demands to make it work? Let's face it, when it comes to ROI/NI (and particularly but not exclusively Unionists), there is no hill too small to die on, so bargaining will be excruciating and rife.

Some fair comments there.
If and its a very big IF it were to ever happen it cannot be seen as a victory for anyone, that is a sure fire road to civil war.
If they went up and down Belfast with tricolours out in jubilation it would be in flames by the end of the day.

It has to be seen as a new country being created, one that is designed for everyone and to make everyone feel comfortable.
Ironically for it to work the initial solution would need to actually piss off everyone, unionists go reluctantly and Nationalists get a dilution of something that was their dream
Losing your country is a massive thing to stomach, nationalists are in return going to have to stomach the loss of lots of things they hold dear to as well or it wouldnt work, well at least wouldnt be peaceful.

This is why the Commonwealth membership would need to be an integral part to negotiations for the first ever unification of the island as one country.
Then as you say Tricolour - binned, Soldier Song - binned, Taoiseach - binned (its Prime Minister), Tánaiste - binned (its deputy prime minister), Angelus - binned, Dail - binned (its Parliament).

As someone stated just amalgamating NI into the current ROI structure would not work.

Binning the Irish language in a unified Irish state? Not a chance. What's your objection to it?


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Then as you say Tricolour - binned, Soldier Song - binned, Taoiseach - binned (its Prime Minister), Tánaiste - binned (its deputy prime minister), Angelus - binned, Dail - binned (its Parliament).

As someone stated just amalgamating NI into the current ROI structure would not work.

Binning the Irish language in a unified Irish state? Not a chance. What's your objection to it?

Yep. Surely the Irish language titles could stay.

I'm guessing the practicalities of the world today mean that English will remain the main language used regardless.

So it's only fair a few Irish words are promoted.


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Given it's a language we share with our scottish cousins, I'm not sure what the big issue is with it.


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Then as you say Tricolour - binned, Soldier Song - binned, Taoiseach - binned (its Prime Minister), Tánaiste - binned (its deputy prime minister), Angelus - binned, Dail - binned (its Parliament).

As someone stated just amalgamating NI into the current ROI structure would not work.

Binning the Irish language in a unified Irish state? Not a chance. What's your objection to it?

Yep. Surely the Irish language titles could stay.

I'm guessing the practicalities of the world today mean that English will remain the main language used regardless.

So it's only fair a few Irish words are promoted.

Irish and English are the official languages of (this) Irish state, most people still use English. No need for that to change. Objecting to official titles being in Irish just seems petty, IMO.


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You may as well ask for Cobh or Dun Laoighaire to be renamed.


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You may as well ask for Cobh or Dun Laoighaire to be renamed.

The Roaring Donkey in Queenstown (*cough* Cobh) is in my all-time top 5 pubs :thumbup:


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People still talking about this?

It’s minimum 50 years away ....... a lot of bigoted voters in the dup and Sinn Fein/IRA have to die off before it’s possible.

Status quo is fine with me but I’d like to see the UK gradually reduce its subvention in order to knock some sense into the electorate up there

Moderate nationalists and unionists up there are constantly handwringing and giving out about the bigots on both sides ...... they need to have an honest conversation with themselves and their voters ..... because ultimately a country gets the politicians and politics it deserves.

Until we see a pact between SDLP, UU and alliance that offers a credible centrist alternative government, then the same old sectarian shit show will prevail up there

Until the plain people of NI realize this, then there’s nothing anyone can do for them.

Start voting for centrist parties or go fvck yourselves ...... that’s the message nordies need to hear


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