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Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

Hellraiser wrote:Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

Have you lot never met northerners on holidays, they act like complete twats. For that reason alone I am completely anti reunification

camroc1 wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

As would I to be honest and I've proposed full provincial devolution in a UI in the past. But that is significantly different to the federalisation of the country.

Hellraiser wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

As would I to be honest and I've proposed full provincial devolution in a UI in the past. But that is significantly different to the federalisation of the country.

We're much too small for federalisation.

Nolanator wrote:It's non-negotiable because of the whole monarchy thing.

I'm not some mad anti-royalist and like to think that I'm fairly reasonable and objective, but I couldn't countenance Ireland ever joining the Commonwealth. It's just not compatible with where the country emerged from.
We can be very closely aligned with the UK on many policy matters and be as buddy-buddy as possible, but as two entirely separate states with no connection at governmental level.

The Commonwealth we left is not the same one that exists today. The one we left we had been forced to be part of. Ourselves and South Africa spent years politicking to get the rules re-written so that we could leave, and once in existence we both left. Mandela brought South Africa back in because he recognised then that it was no longer a tool of control of the empire, but a group of countries largely with a shared experience of having been Brit colonies. While I do not see any great benefit of membership (compared to EU), I do see it as having great symbolism in the context of a United Ireland. There will always be some Irish representative who would like to toast the head of the commonwealth, and good luck to them if they are doing it on behalf of Ireland.

Hellraiser wrote:Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

Wrong attitude if you would want it to be a peaceful success
There simply could not be belief that nothing will change to the nature of the Irish state and oh by the way Northern Ireland you just don’t exist anymore would lead to a peaceful process
If you think so I’ll have a pint of what you are having

Bogbunny wrote:I'm afraid the term "Ireland" will have to be erased as well.

HibernoCaledonia has a nice ring to it, but open to suggestions... Celtranga anyone?

An Saorstát Éireann Mór.

In all seriousness, why not use half from each of the current names,
i.e. Northern Republic, or just Ireland.

Winnie wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

Wrong attitude if you would want it to be a peaceful success
There simply could not be belief that nothing will change to the nature of the Irish state and oh by the way Northern Ireland you just don’t exist anymore would lead to a peaceful process
If you think so I’ll have a pint of what you are having

The Irish constitution wouldn't end, but have some serious amending and a referendum to seal the deal. The language things a read hearing. English and Irish would remain official languages.

camroc1 wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:Stability will be the name of the game with regards to reunification. Which means bugger all change to the nature of the Irish state; the North will be absorbed much as the eastern German Lander were by the BDR in 1990. Indeed it can't go any other way as EU membership is predicated on state continuance, hence an independent Scotland would have had to have to applied for membership as a successor state whereas rUK wouldn't have had IndyRef passed.

Stormont won't continue, NI as any kind of entity will cease to exist.

I'd be in favour of having provincial LA's instead of County ones. There's far far too much duplication in the system we have now.

As would I to be honest and I've proposed full provincial devolution in a UI in the past. But that is significantly different to the federalisation of the country.

We're much too small for federalisation.

Exactly.

iarmhiman wrote:

jezzer wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:Wait no, sorry, "Irish Language Re-education Camps".

Also known as a The Gaelteacht to Irish schoolchildren.

A couple of summers of unionist teenagers suffering dictatorial Bean an Tís, whilst trying to get off with anyone who resembles the opposite sex will sort that out.

Mná an tí.

Take him away.

Mná is plural so women of the houses should translate as:

Mná na tithe

Bean is singular so woman of the house is:

bean an tí

Tuiseal Ginideach and all that

Women of the house is more grammatically correct.

Leinster in London wrote:

Bogbunny wrote:I'm afraid the term "Ireland" will have to be erased as well.

HibernoCaledonia has a nice ring to it, but open to suggestions... Celtranga anyone?

An Saorstát Éireann Mór.

In all seriousness, why not use half from each of the current names,
i.e. Northern Republic, or just Ireland.

United Kingdom of Ireland

And who does the Govt. of Ireland negotiate with, Winnie ?

You can't really complain about the result if you don't have feet under the negotiating table.

Nolanator wrote:

Winnie wrote:Everyone is being very defensive of the Irish language
I’m not saying bin it I’m saying that English would need to be used officially
The Taoiseach needs to be replaced by something else, in English
You can still call it what you like but officially it must not be Irish so when RTE (that will need to go/be amended too by the way) is reporting on the days events they do not use the Irish title
Little sacrifices like that surely are not too much to have one peaceful nation now would they?
Remember in a new rainbow nation sacrifices will need to be made by all

They aren't little sacrifices. Partition for the foreseeable future it is, so.

Theres a perfect compromise. We dump Irish titles like Taoiseach etc but Belfast is renamed to Béal Feirste and LondonDerry to CahirsiveenDerry

camroc1 wrote:And who does the Govt. of Ireland negotiate with, Winnie ?

You can't really complain about the result if you don't have feet under the negotiating table.

Why would they be negotiating? Currently any unionist negotiating a UI would be shunned forever. Pure Lundy.

Why negotiate? Wait for the 50+1 vote and then thats it. The prods will do as they're told

HighKingLeinster wrote:Why negotiate? Wait for the 50+1 vote and then thats it. The prods will do as they're told

Well that's the alternative as set down in the GFA.

It's a little pointless this anyway since I don't believe that a Unification Referendum with ever happen under a Conservative government.

camroc1 wrote:

HighKingLeinster wrote:Why negotiate? Wait for the 50+1 vote and then thats it. The prods will do as they're told

Well that's the alternative as set down in the GFA.

Suddenly a referendum you approve of.

You obviously haven't read the thread.

jezzer wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

jezzer wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

unseenwork wrote:Wait no, sorry, "Irish Language Re-education Camps".

Also known as a The Gaelteacht to Irish schoolchildren.

A couple of summers of unionist teenagers suffering dictatorial Bean an Tís, whilst trying to get off with anyone who resembles the opposite sex will sort that out.

Mná an tí.

Take him away.

Mná is plural so women of the houses should translate as:

Mná na tithe

Bean is singular so woman of the house is:

bean an tí

Tuiseal Ginideach and all that

Women of the house is more grammatically correct.

In English yes.

Wonder if any bookies give odds on this happening in the next 50 years. No chance in my opinion, unless you want a full scale war.

englishchief wrote:Wonder if any bookies give odds on this happening in the next 50 years. No chance in my opinion, unless you want a full scale war.

Nobody cares what your opinion is, now jog on.

englishchief wrote:Wonder if any bookies give odds on this happening in the next 50 years. No chance in my opinion, unless you want a full scale war.

It could be done peacefully if the Mexicans do as they are told

Winnie wrote:

englishchief wrote:Wonder if any bookies give odds on this happening in the next 50 years. No chance in my opinion, unless you want a full scale war.

It could be done peacefully if the Mexicans do as they are told

It will be you fùckers in the minority this time. Poetic (and regular) justice will be swift and unmerciful with irish language everywhere

The oraiste order
Uladh rugby
The Apprentice buachaillí
Linfield Celtic

The Republican Black Preceptory
Gerry Adams Park (home of Linfield Celtic)

High Street in Belfast to be renamed Neil Lennon Boulevard.

iarmhiman wrote:The Republican Black Preceptory
Gerry Adams Park (home of Linfield Celtic)

High Street in Belfast to be renamed Neil Lennon Boulevard.

Neil Lennon Bothár shirley? And George Best Airport will be Aenghus MacGrianna aerfort

Giants causeway will be called shit, underwhelming pile of volcanic rock

HighKingLeinster wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:The Republican Black Preceptory
Gerry Adams Park (home of Linfield Celtic)

High Street in Belfast to be renamed Neil Lennon Boulevard.

Neil Lennon Bothár shirley? And George Best Airport will be Aenghus MacGrianna aerfort

Giants causeway will be called shit, underwhelming pile of volcanic rock

Change the capital of Northern Ireland province to Derry.

The best deal Irish unionism was ever going to get was set out in the Irish Convention in 1917-18. That was a genuine negotiation; any future constitutional settlement will be dictated not negotiated.

Hellraiser wrote:The best deal Irish unionism was ever going to get was set out in the Irish Convention in 1917-18. That was a genuine negotiation; any future constitutional settlement will be dictated not negotiated.

You keep saying this. What makes you so sure? Is that coming from your head or your gut?

iarmhiman wrote:The Republican Black Preceptory
Gerry Adams Park (home of Linfield Celtic)

High Street in Belfast to be renamed Neil Lennon Boulevard.

I was thinking more 'Bobby Sands Street'.

Linfield All Ireland Champions .

They beat Glentoran 3-11 to 0-12

camroc1 wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:The Republican Black Preceptory
Gerry Adams Park (home of Linfield Celtic)

High Street in Belfast to be renamed Neil Lennon Boulevard.

I was thinking more 'Bobby Sands Street'.

Wouldn't be the first

FIA and the FAI to destroy each other. Association Football in Ireland (AFiI) to be set up instead.

Nolanator wrote:FIA and the FAI to destroy each other. Association Football in Ireland (AFiI) to be set up instead.

Actually the IFA has to be retired as the name is already used by the Irish Farmers Association.

Channel 4 news reporting that a group of eminent non party political Unionists have been down to Dublin to discuss protections for the Unionist community in the event of a United Ireland. The tectonics are shifting.

https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-g ... -of-orange

iarmhiman wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:The best deal Irish unionism was ever going to get was set out in the Irish Convention in 1917-18. That was a genuine negotiation; any future constitutional settlement will be dictated not negotiated.

You keep saying this. What makes you so sure? Is that coming from your head or your gut?

Bit of both. The dynamics of the situation are such that I just can't see a New Ireland Forum Mark 2 as anything other than pie in the sky. There is this idea out there that reunification is driven by the internal dynamics of NI when really it's not. 50%+1 just gets the ball rolling, the actual reality of reunification will be set by the South, and I don't mean the government I mean the population at large. The Southern people (and remember this includes Protestants like TSG, Diego, et al) will have no interest in seeing Ireland cease to be Ireland as a result of a final settlement, FF and FG are well aware of this.

As for threats of violence, Ulster unionism has long since shot it's bolt. It's 2018, not 1912. The UVF/UDA has neither the wit nor the ability to do anything other than wreck their own sink estates and are ultimately more interested in protecting their drug dealing profits than anything else at this stage.

Ulster unionism has always existed as a pendulum ever swung to an extreme against gravity. In the end gravity wins.

Hellraiser wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:

Hellraiser wrote:The best deal Irish unionism was ever going to get was set out in the Irish Convention in 1917-18. That was a genuine negotiation; any future constitutional settlement will be dictated not negotiated.

You keep saying this. What makes you so sure? Is that coming from your head or your gut?

Bit of both. The dynamics of the situation are such that I just can't see a New Ireland Forum Mark 2 as anything other than pie in the sky. There is this idea out there that reunification is driven by the internal dynamics of NI when really it's not. 50%+1 just gets the ball rolling, the actual reality of reunification will be set by the South, and I don't mean the government I mean the population at large. The Southern people (and remember this includes Protestants like TSG, Diego, et al) will have no interest in seeing Ireland cease to be Ireland as a result of a final settlement, FF and FG are well aware of this.

As for threats of violence, Ulster unionism has long since shot it's bolt. It's 2018, not 1912. The UVF/UDA has neither the wit nor the ability to do anything other than wreck their own sink estates and are ultimately more interested in protecting their drug dealing profits than anything else at this stage.

Ulster unionism has always existed as a pendulum ever swung to an extreme against gravity. In the end gravity wins.

Of all the last half dozen wind up posts that one wins hands down fair play

alliswell wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:The Republican Black Preceptory
Gerry Adams Park (home of Linfield Celtic)

High Street in Belfast to be renamed Neil Lennon Boulevard.

I was thinking more 'Bobby Sands Street'.

Wouldn't be the first

alliswell wrote:

camroc1 wrote:

iarmhiman wrote:The Republican Black Preceptory
Gerry Adams Park (home of Linfield Celtic)

High Street in Belfast to be renamed Neil Lennon Boulevard.

I was thinking more 'Bobby Sands Street'.

Wouldn't be the first

"Just off down Bobby Sands Street for a KFC"