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kiwinoz wrote:

c69 wrote: You are seriously plundering a country on its knees?

Is that a serious comment? Go troll another thread.

Maybe you should tell bimbo the same thing.

As for what's f**ked up, certainly the economy, but also putting 2 girls on retainer as "guides". If I'm understanding that correctly.

Anyway, my girlfriends brother got a job over there yesterday. Good news. What worries her most is the instability, food shortages less so.

Bullettyme wrote:

kiwinoz wrote:

c69 wrote: You are seriously plundering a country on its knees?

Is that a serious comment? Go troll another thread.

Maybe you should tell bimbo the same thing.

As for what's f**ked up, certainly the economy, but also putting 2 girls on retainer as "guides". If I'm understanding that correctly.

Anyway, my girlfriends brother got a job over there yesterday. Good news. What worries her most is the instability, food shortages less so.

Explain what the problem Is. Should he pay them more? Should he not have them?

I don't have to explain myself to you, captain one liner.

Bullettyme wrote:I don't have to explain myself to you, captain one liner.

I'm suprised you couldn't get a job for your girlfriends brother with the guys you know running successful businesses there.

bimboman wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:I don't have to explain myself to you, captain one liner.

I'm suprised you couldn't get a job for your girlfriends brother with the guys you know running successful businesses there.

I don't know them, I have heard anecdotally. I've also heard people living normal lives.

Why would I get a job in Venezuela anyway? You mental, mental twat.

Bullettyme wrote:

bimboman wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:I don't have to explain myself to you, captain one liner.

I'm suprised you couldn't get a job for your girlfriends brother with the guys you know running successful businesses there.

I don't know them, I have heard anecdotally. I've also heard people living normal lives.

Why would I get a job in Venezuela anyway? You mental, mental twat.

Eh "for your girlfriends brother" was fairly clear I didn't mean you you mental mental twat.

Oh yeah fair enough, apols.

Again though, who says he didn't have a job like that? Now he has a job in his field as a lecturer. Weird question all the same. It might shock you deeply bimbo but people still live normal lives there, some even half decent lives.

Bullettyme wrote:Oh yeah fair enough, apols.

Again though, who says he didn't have a job like that? Now he has a job in his field as a lecturer. Weird question all the same. It might shock you deeply bimbo but people still live normal lives there, some even half decent lives.

Who lives a normal life with 700% inflation ?

c69 wrote:

xhooker wrote:

kiwinoz wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:Interesting post, but that's kind of f**ked up.

A very interesting post. Please explain whats fcuked up other than the economy?

XHooker - thanks for sharing. Knowing what you know now, what would you have done differently, earlier, later etc?

Everything is f***ed.
In a shopping mall 60% of the escalators are broken I think it is because the Government
decide what spare parts can be imported.

The roads are never repaired now pot holes everywhere, manhole lids missing when the roads where
repaired rather then fix they just laid more more McTarmach on top of the old so it maybe 200mm thick
and in this temperature it moves so where the buses go it's pushed to the side.

That reminds me hardly ever see any trucks on the road.

Higher education is not valued well there is no jobs for the well educated.

I'm holding a little to must Boliver today and as the currency has moved in the last 6 weeks from
4,400 to 19,000 to the USD tomorrow I will buy perfume, anything the pharmacy's have for sale
because their stock is about a tenth of the western prices but little to choose from
plus shoes and clothes (yesterday the Adidas where $9 a pair) I just export out heaps of goods.

You are seriously plundering a country on its knees?[/q

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As any economist will tell you spending is good for most counties economy.

I like buying goods in Venezuela as some are up to a 20th of western prices.

I make a lot of money by exporting the same as have great margins to work on.

I help employ shop keepers, importers, and many other services.

My 2 guides think I'm Christmas they are on unbelievable money their extended families now can eat.

I will not be responsible to idiots who try to control exchange rates

Neither you or any government should be able to tell me what I can spend my money on.

That is what Venezuela, Communists and You have in common.

Communists and You have in common.

They're one and the same where chubs is concerned.

c69 wrote:

bimboman wrote:

Communists and You have in common.

They're one and the same where chubs is concerned.

Play nice Mr IRA terrorist apologist

Haven't you got some workers to starve to death for the greater good ?

why don't you guys keep the bantz for the CPAP thread, I want to hear more about those guides

Which adidas are they?

DragsterDriver wrote:Which adidas are they?

Some designed by Porsche which are the best, some blades like bladerunner, others ordinary

So Trump has now turned a regional effort to restore democracy in Venezuela to a regional effort to thwart the "imperialistic" ambitions of the USA. Well done.

Pence got a lovely dressing down from Santos, Colombia's President.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/14/polit ... index.html

Reagan would have him long dead by now and the people back to prosperity

Mullet 2 wrote:Reagan would have him long dead by now and the people back to prosperity

Life under Venezuelan Socialism well it's really probably communism.

The official exchange rate is still 10 to the USD the free market (Black) rate is now 52,000, at the
end of June it was 4,400 to the USD and late August 20,000.

My Druze friend has a appliance shop where most of the goods are priced at about half of
there replacement cost which he has to use USD for.
It is impossible for a retailer to make money with hyper inflation especially with Government
controls on your profit margins (30%).

I have lost one of my guides on Margarita as an Arabic boyfriend brought her silicone and a car.

No problem Manual my 20yr University Student Gofer has lined me up with a new guide every day
in Caracas I'm only to happy to help these girls with a scholarship.

Very little for me to export now except hand tools been buying Stanley 38mm chisels for $1.50,
Chinese ones for 20c, 100's of 3M sandpaper for 1c per sheet, Octopus driwall trowels for under $1,
vice grips for around $1, pliers from 15c to a $1 the list goes on.

Best restaurants filet steak, Lobster, fresh fish $2 - $3, the 4 star hotel is down to $4 per night and the
taxis are 10c - 25c, coke is hard to find but fresh fruit drinks are plentiful at 20c.

Last I looked petrol was still one bolivar per litre that is 52,000 litre for a dollar crazy

xhooker wrote:I have lost one of my guides on Margarita as an Arabic boyfriend brought her silicone and a car.

No problem Manual my 20yr University Student Gofer has lined me up with a new guide every day
in Caracas I'm only to happy to help these girls with a scholarship.

but still the regime has some popular support, no ? how long do you think it can last

but still the regime has some popular support, no ? how long do you think it can last[/quote]

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I think the regime has about 20% support from the general population.

The military are big part of the government Chavism grew from the military and today about a third of
ministers are active military and all new recruits are subject to full indoctrination in Bolivian Socialism
as first part of there training they come out like born again Christians or Allah's lot.

The opposition are fractured into maybe 6 different groups with no sign of unification in the future.

I don't know how the richest country on earth can get rid of Socialism
Not from the Military as they are a big part of the Government.
Not from the Unions (Poland style) as all striking workers in the oil industry have been replaced by
party loyalists (now oil production is down to a seventh per worker as before the strike)
Not from the legal system as most judges and all the supreme court have been replaced by party loyalists.
Not from democracy as last national elections the Government got 18% of the vote and got the supreme court to nullify the elected parliament.

That only leaves a mass uprising by the people it would be bloody

I see new presidential elections have been called, while the opposition is busy fighting with each other and nonsensically boycotting elections. Maduro is so unpopular it's going to require a serious ballot box stuffing exercise to get him re-elected you'd think.

In other news they killed the rogue policeman, Oscar Perez, who stole the helicopter and dropped grenades onto the national assembly.

I also hear the Venezuelans are trying to keep people in the country and not allowing them to leave, which doesn't bode well for my girlfriend who is visiting on Monday. Tough to figure out what is not propaganda and what is real information though.

Mullet 2 wrote:Reagan would have him long dead by now and the people back to prosperity

The fact that he hasn't done this from beyond the grave shows what a piece of crap he really was.

Trump needs to step up here.

Send in the 1st Marines to the strains of Rock Me Like a Hurricane.

Maduro wins the presidential elections with some 65% of the vote. A huge vote of confidence in his rule and repudiation of the opposition.

poor venezuela

wonder how xhooker's "guides" voted ?

Akkerman wrote:poor venezuela

wonder how xhooker's "guides" voted ?

My girlfriends family didn't vote. The first time ever she said. There was a huge amount of apathy.

I'm wondering about the effectiveness of boycotting the vote and abstaining though.

Is Venezuela not still oil rich?

Fly Half wrote:Is Venezuela not still oil rich?

It needs oil prices to be higher to be profitable. And now the rot has set in they've mismanaged their oil fields and state-owned oil company so their production is way, way down. They can't afford parts, or can't get them due to US sanctions. Plus brain drain.

That's right, Venezuelans would rather have no toilet paper than be ruled by right wingers!

Before the United States decides to impose even more economic sanctions for such a result, did it ever occur to them that the no toilet paper thing might be because of the economic sanctions already in place?

It is one of the favourite questions from the rabid right over the last few years, how is socialism working out in Venezuela? Have they ever considered how that country might fare without economic meddling by the United States?

Bullettyme wrote:

Fly Half wrote:Is Venezuela not still oil rich?

It needs oil prices to be higher to be profitable. And now the rot has set in they've mismanaged their oil fields and state-owned oil company so their production is way, way down. They can't afford parts, or can't get them due to US sanctions. Plus brain drain.

Prices are higher than when the fields were built, the rot is they're run by corrupt communists not that oil prices need to be higher, they're base cost of production is 1/2 that of US shale which is ticking along again .....

There's a catch all thread for this located just a bit further down the page.

Whatever the previous merits of change in Venezuelan society and poverty alleviation are completely moot now, the government is controlled by drug runners and a new oligarchy beholden to the military and Cuban security.

The toilet paper isn't because of US sanctions, it's because of currency and price controls by the Venezuelan government so it's completely un-economical to manufacture toilet paper now, along with many other things. Although not entirely the PSUVs fault, they've also neglected any part of their economy that is not oil so they relied on imports, even to manufacture things, which are ridiculously expensive now.

Maduro is a dictator with limited legitimacy, if any at all.

bimboman wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:

Fly Half wrote:Is Venezuela not still oil rich?

It needs oil prices to be higher to be profitable. And now the rot has set in they've mismanaged their oil fields and state-owned oil company so their production is way, way down. They can't afford parts, or can't get them due to US sanctions. Plus brain drain.

Prices are higher than when the fields were built, the rot is they're run by corrupt communists not that oil prices need to be higher, they're base cost of production is 1/2 that of US shale which is ticking along again .....

You can't even spell their properly so I'm not sure you have a lot to add.

You also missed out the bit about US sanctions.

bimboman wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:

Fly Half wrote:Is Venezuela not still oil rich?

It needs oil prices to be higher to be profitable. And now the rot has set in they've mismanaged their oil fields and state-owned oil company so their production is way, way down. They can't afford parts, or can't get them due to US sanctions. Plus brain drain.

Prices are higher than when the fields were built, the rot is they're run by corrupt communists not that oil prices need to be higher, they're base cost of production is 1/2 that of US shale which is ticking along again .....

So, exactly what I said yeah. Just I didn't include the hysteria.

Bullettyme wrote:There's a catch all thread for this located just a bit further down the page.

Whatever the previous merits of change in Venezuelan society and poverty alleviation are completely moot now, the government is controlled by drug runners and a new oligarchy beholden to the military and Cuban security.

The toilet paper isn't because of US sanctions, it's because of currency and price controls by the Venezuelan government so it's completely un-economical to manufacture toilet paper now, along with many other things. Although not entirely the PSUVs fault, they've also neglected any part of their economy that is not oil so they relied on imports, even to manufacture things, which are ridiculously expensive now.

Maduro is a dictator with limited legitimacy, if any at all.

I'm pretty sure the situation would not be the way it is without the very base cause which is US sanctions. They should be allowed to trade freely.

Thai guy wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:There's a catch all thread for this located just a bit further down the page.

Whatever the previous merits of change in Venezuelan society and poverty alleviation are completely moot now, the government is controlled by drug runners and a new oligarchy beholden to the military and Cuban security.

The toilet paper isn't because of US sanctions, it's because of currency and price controls by the Venezuelan government so it's completely un-economical to manufacture toilet paper now, along with many other things. Although not entirely the PSUVs fault, they've also neglected any part of their economy that is not oil so they relied on imports, even to manufacture things, which are ridiculously expensive now.

Maduro is a dictator with limited legitimacy, if any at all.

I'm pretty sure the situation would not be the way it is with out the very base case which is US sanctions. They should be allowed to trade freely.

There's probably an element of that to be fair from the outset, however there's been rakes of nationalisations of various plants which has seriously disrupted production and which prompted sanctions.

They're also locking up opposition politicians, putting protesters in front of military tribunals, locking up dissidents in secret police prisons as well as firing on unarmed demonstrators, so maybe some sanctions are deserved?

As usual the victims are the ordinary people who now have to deal with rampant violence and hyperinflation.

John McDonnell on Venezuela “I don’t think it was a socialist country”

So now we know why its a failed regime.

Per Latin American commentator bloggingsbyboz.com,
the opposition organized a boycott, and turnout was pretty low.

Bullettyme wrote:

Thai guy wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:There's a catch all thread for this located just a bit further down the page.

Whatever the previous merits of change in Venezuelan society and poverty alleviation are completely moot now, the government is controlled by drug runners and a new oligarchy beholden to the military and Cuban security.

The toilet paper isn't because of US sanctions, it's because of currency and price controls by the Venezuelan government so it's completely un-economical to manufacture toilet paper now, along with many other things. Although not entirely the PSUVs fault, they've also neglected any part of their economy that is not oil so they relied on imports, even to manufacture things, which are ridiculously expensive now.

Maduro is a dictator with limited legitimacy, if any at all.

I'm pretty sure the situation would not be the way it is with out the very base case which is US sanctions. They should be allowed to trade freely.

There's probably an element of that to be fair from the outset, however there's been rakes of nationalisations of various plants which has seriously disrupted production and which prompted sanctions.

They're also locking up opposition politicians, putting protesters in front of military tribunals, locking up dissidents in secret police prisons as well as firing on unarmed demonstrators, so maybe some sanctions are deserved?

As usual the victims are the ordinary people who now have to deal with rampant violence and hyperinflation.

Which did come first? The unrest and the 'locking up opposition politicians', or US imposed economic sanctions against energy production in the country?

Flyin Ryan wrote:Per Latin American commentator bloggingsbyboz.com,
the opposition organized a boycott, and turnout was pretty low.

Turnout was 45% or something (I think they're government figures so probably much less), only Henri Falcon of the opposition took part and was branded a traitor for his troubles.

If Maduro has done anything well it has been his complete manhandling of the opposition. They're completely spent, and seem to be busier fighting each other than the regime.