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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:13 am 
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Can we also talk about how embarrassing Gareth Rees' commentary has become? :?


After years of lurking I have joined to comment on this.

Gareth is likely our greatest ever International but his commentary is a complete joke. Not a critical word for "the lads" who are "all heart" and commit basic error after basic error.

Constant whining about the ref. Constant. The fact is Gareth is an RC employee and basically a propagandist in the booth. The same pablum that gets fed to us in press releases and town hall meetings becomes the colour commentary. Bad luck, bad calls, oh so close. I know Blake Price is a smart enough guy and must roll his eyes.

I played against Gareth in his final days - second division UBCOB Ravens. It was neat to play against him, but he basically just stood there, jersey not covering his stomach, directing the ref all game. I had flashback to those days Saturday. In classic homer fashion, he commented more on the officiating than the game.

Speaking of the game, that has to be a low point for the men's XV. Is it the bottom? As the Drive-By Truckers said "I'll meet you at the bottom if there really is one, they always gold me when you hit it you'll know it. But I've been falling so long it's like gravity's gone and I'm just floating."


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OttawaKat wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Can we also talk about how embarrassing Gareth Rees' commentary has become? :?


After years of lurking I have joined to comment on this.

Gareth is likely our greatest ever International but his commentary is a complete joke. Not a critical word for "the lads" who are "all heart" and commit basic error after basic error.

Constant whining about the ref. Constant. The fact is Gareth is an RC employee and basically a propagandist in the booth. The same pablum that gets fed to us in press releases and town hall meetings becomes the colour commentary. Bad luck, bad calls, oh so close. I know Blake Price is a smart enough guy and must roll his eyes.

I played against Gareth in his final days - second division UBCOB Ravens. It was neat to play against him, but he basically just stood there, jersey not covering his stomach, directing the ref all game. I had flashback to those days Saturday. In classic homer fashion, he commented more on the officiating than the game.

Speaking of the game, that has to be a low point for the men's XV. Is it the bottom? As the Drive-By Truckers said "I'll meet you at the bottom if there really is one, they always gold me when you hit it you'll know it. But I've been falling so long it's like gravity's gone and I'm just floating."



:thumbup: Quality first post! Welcome to the Bored.


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Morgan14 wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Can we also talk about how embarrassing Gareth Rees' commentary has become? :?



Was it bad? I couldn't tell my facebook feed was so inferior


As noted above, very one sided and very harsh on the ref. I think one line was something like: "If the ref doesn't give a penalty try, he knows nothing about rugby." The ironing was delicious, because the - admittedly yellow card - infringement was not during a moment where a try was likely to be scored, so a penalty try was not even a factor.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:52 pm 
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Nieghorn,

Send me an email or message or something. I have an interesting update.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:58 pm 
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Anybody else going on Saturday? I'm a glutton for punishment.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:39 pm 
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I guess the only benefit of attending the last two games was not listening to Rees', ahem, observations of the games. I recorded Saturday's game but have not had the stomach to watch it. TSN should fire Rees if he was that bad.

Morgan14 - Keith, Barton and Beukeboom were on the ARC team so, technically, they have graduated. The two forwards have big futures; Barton does not have the speed to play at #13. Jake Thiel and McMullan (if they do not go to 7s) have very good chances. I think two others (Kotze and O'Neill, say) have shots. The tournament coming up will say more.

Remember, RC made the decision in 2013 for Canada to be a 7s rugby country, and make no mistake, we are that. One read of Rugby Canada's Strategic Plan will tell all.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:47 pm 
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canuckles wrote:
I recorded Saturday's game but have not had the stomach to watch it. TSN should fire Rees if he was that bad.


Hi, I look to find the game from few days already...can you share it somehow trough wetransfer or something similar?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:52 pm 
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canuckles wrote:
I guess the only benefit of attending the last two games was not listening to Rees', ahem, observations of the games. I recorded Saturday's game but have not had the stomach to watch it. TSN should fire Rees if he was that bad.

Morgan14 - Keith, Barton and Beukeboom were on the ARC team so, technically, they have graduated. The two forwards have big futures; Barton does not have the speed to play at #13. Jake Thiel and McMullan (if he does not go to 7s) have very good chances. I think two others (Kotze and O'Neill, say) have shots. The tournament coming up will say more.

Remember, RC made the decision in 2013 for Canada to be a 7s rugby country, and make no mistake, we are that. One read of Rugby Canada's Strategic Plan will tell all.



Thanks Canuckles, good to hear there are some prospects at least.

Agreed about us being a 7s country, on the men's side at least. I just don't understand how RC monetizes that - my understanding is they don't make a huge amount from Vancouver 7s, which is the one and only showcase, but maybe I'm misinformed.


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OttawaKat wrote:
Nieghorn,

Send me an email or message or something. I have an interesting update.


Congrats! :thumbup: Very happy for you both.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:46 am 
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canuckles wrote:
TSN should fire Rees if he was that bad.


It was a complete embarrassment.


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CanNZ2000 wrote:
OttawaKat wrote:
Nieghorn,

Send me an email or message or something. I have an interesting update.


Congrats! :thumbup: Very happy for you both.


Without getting into details, I posted a gripe about Gareth on the RC facebook page.

A well known figure in Canadian rugby contacted me, said they agreed with me wholly, and asked me to pursue the compliant further. I suspect the act is wearing thin with more than just the public.


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OttawaKat wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
OttawaKat wrote:
Nieghorn,

Send me an email or message or something. I have an interesting update.


Congrats! :thumbup: Very happy for you both.


Without getting into details, I posted a gripe about Gareth on the RC facebook page.

A well known figure in Canadian rugby contacted me, said they agreed with me wholly, and asked me to pursue the compliant further. I suspect the act is wearing thin with more than just the public.



Oh, very interesting! These people are supposed to help grow the game, not turn people off it... especially in trying to defend DTH's yellow as 'controversial'. Head contact, had to walk. No one intends to do it, to be fair, but to downplay it as not that bad is irresponsible, imo.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:59 pm 
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Yeah it was a clear yellow. Rees is the Don Cheery of rugby.

oh and by the way, Trainor is done with an Achilles injury.


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CanNZ2000 wrote:
Yeah it was a clear yellow. Rees is the Don Cheery of rugby.

oh and by the way, Trainor is done with an Achilles injury.


Looking at Cherry, it's not a bad career steategy.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:31 pm 
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CanNZ2000 wrote:
Yeah it was a clear yellow. Rees is the Don Cheery of rugby.

oh and by the way, Trainor is done with an Achilles injury.


Yeah, the Trainor injury happened in front of the stand I was in. He was carried off with his right foot turned out. Don't tell me Rugby Canada actually announced the injury? Our national union cares so little for its supporters it has not even announced the 26 player roster for the next two games. When we do qualify Rugby Canada will give the ultimate insult to Canadian rugby fans and say "The NSMT has met Rugby Canada's objective."


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Flyin Ryan wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
Yeah it was a clear yellow. Rees is the Don Cheery of rugby.

oh and by the way, Trainor is done with an Achilles injury.


Looking at Cherry, it's not a bad career steategy.


Rees continues to demonstrate the same competance and nuance that allowed him to excel as Rugby Canada's CEO.


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Congrats to DTH for setting the new try mark for Canada. Thought he was the difference today, class apart from everyone else on the pitch. Too bad he wasn't quite able to bag a third there near the very end.

As for the rest of it, well, I'm still angered by that fumble by Coe, that's rugby 101 stuff


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Decent article below by Cathal Kelly in the G & M before Saturday's game. Kelly has done some good stuff on rugby in Canada. I wish the article below would hit a bit harder. The sport needs more of this stuff in the press.

Kelly: Men’s rugby must get over being nice Canadian losers
CATHAL KELLY
TORONTO — The Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Jun. 23, 2017 8:05PM EDT

Three months ago, Mark Anscombe, the New Zealander who recently took control of Canada’s senior men’s rugby union team, gave a depressing assessment of where the program stands.

Speaking to an audience at Rugby Canada’s annual general meeting, he notched off which of his charges were playing professional club rugby at what he called “a reasonable level.” He came up almost empty. On one 29-man squad, he judged that three men hit the bar. Many were coming into the team having not played at all in the weeks and even months previous.

“We keep bringing out the same old guy that we know is not good enough to play rugby at the high level, but because we have to make the numbers to get the squad together, we keep throwing out names that get found out time and time again,” Anscombe said. Although the words were not used, the message was clear: Good enough is no longer good enough. As such, Canadian men’s rugby at the international level is in the midst of an existential crisis.

This weekend, facing the United States with a berth in the 2019 Rugby World Cup at stake, it will either start tipping forward or begin toppling back.

The history of Canadian men’s rugby is one of workmanlike perseverance. That is the charm of the team – a group of part-timers, semi-pros and the odd star slugging it out with the very best.

Canada has been part of every Rugby World Cup since the tournament’s inception 30 years ago. They’ve lost three times as many matches as they’ve won. Canadian rugby doesn’t deliver many punches, but it knows how to take one. For most of our history, the country seemed happy if one team – the national hockey team – mattered. Every one else was free to travel around the world showing good spirit and losing with dignity. That was the Canadian way. It was both a shield from criticism and a hindrance to performance.

That’s changed. The women’s soccer team is ascendant. The women’s basketball team has entered the public consciousness. Based on the young talent in the NBA, the men’s basketball team will very soon. The women’s rugby sevens team won a medal in Rio.

It’s a bad time to be slipping, which is where the men’s rugby team finds itself.

Six years ago, they were ranked 12th in the world. Today, they are 23rd. They’ve won only one game this year. Many of the losses came to iffy competition.

After its most recent setback to Romania, Anscombe said: “We didn’t do anything we set out to do.” They aren’t in a great head space.

The Canadian team continues to be filled largely by players who do not play at the highest professional level. An exception is 26-year-old Tyler Ardron, who just signed to a team in New Zealand’s Super Rugby competition. Rugby Canada officials likened it to a kid from New Zealand making the NHL.

Ardron is a good example of the sort of player that could help Canadian rugby become a mainstream concern. Not because he’s good at the game, but because he has that easy charisma that marks most of the sport’s participants. The real allure of rugby is its brutality on the field contrasted with its gentleness off it.

Ardron is the exact type – a quiet, quick-witted man with a slight lisp and a lot of confidence. In Canada’s last game, he got punched in the face by a Romanian, then had a friendly chat with his attacker afterward.

“We just bumped into each other at the dinner table. He said he was sorry. I just laughed and said, ‘That was pretty dumb.’ And he said, ‘Yeah.’”

It’s like that after every game at every level – both teams get together for a tipple (although for pros, the post-match beers have largely given way to energy drinks and recovery shakes). Ardron’s advantage is that he’s doing it with the best players in the world.

“In Canada, you don’t think of rugby as a professional sport. It’s something people do on the weekend for fun,” he said. “The main thing for Canadians is just playing rugby every day and making it your full-time job.”

Those jobs are hard to come by. Ardron is only the third Canadian to plant our flag in New Zealand – and only managed it because he’d already spent three years as a standout pro in Wales. In order to make the move, he had to pass up more lucrative offers in Europe.

A few others are scattered throughout the United Kingdom, Ireland and France, but most still play here. The bulk of them work out of a practice facility near Victoria.

The national women’s soccer team tried a variation of this approach heading into the 2015 World Cup. Then, coach Carolina Morace persuaded her players to abandon their pro teams and move en masse to an Italian resort for months of group training. They came dead last in that tournament.

Of course, there are many chickens and many eggs involved here, and it’s hard to say which should come first. You can’t get a pro team until you have exposure. You don’t get exposure when you’re playing pretend games in British Columbia. And you certainly don’t get it if your national side is slipping into the world’s also-rans. For many Canadian players, their only opportunity to make a deep impression on the international rugby community is at a World Cup.

Some have taken drastic measures to make that happen.

Dan Moor, a 26-year-old wing, was until recently an associate at a Bay Street private-equity firm, working 70-hour weeks. He would shoehorn two hours of training in before he went to work. He quit that job to train full-time in B.C. with the senior team on a carding salary, with a small bonus per game played.

How much money did you give back to make that change?

“A lot,” Moor said ruefully. “Like, multiples.”

This week, the national team did a publicity junket at the TSX. With his connections to finance, Moor was pencilled in to ring the opening bell. However, at the last minute, he was told he wouldn’t be going because it was too much of a time commitment.

Moor stood there looking perplexed. It only gradually dawned on him that the only reason he was being held back was because he was about to be named to the team for Saturday’s game.

Moor didn’t look happy, exactly. More stunned. It’s a rare treat to see someone’s life-altering gamble pay off in real time.

It won’t mean much if the Canadian men fail in their World Cup qualifying adventure. They play the U.S. – another middling international side – in Hamilton on the weekend. They’ll play again in San Diego in a week’s time. The winner, determined by aggregate points, qualifies for Japan 2019.

The loser enters a two-game playoff against Uruguay, with a second and final entry at stake. Paradoxically, the latter route leads into a slightly easier World Cup group. Not that it matters much on paper. For Canada, every group is a group of death. The only worthwhile goal at this point is getting there. Once that happens, who knows what’s possible?

“The times most of us got over to professional rugby were the times Canada was climbing the ranks,” Ardron said. “Now that our ranking has gone down, we’re not getting as many signings for professional rugby.”

Can you believe Canada is 23rd now?

“No, I can’t,” Ardron said, suddenly very serious. “It hurts.”

However this turns out, in the years before Japan, there will be more of the usual handwringing about funding, grass-roots development and long-term planning that dominates the conversation around every sport in Canada that is not hockey.

But Ardron has identified the only issue that matters. The way out of the problem – at least temporarily – is moving up and recreating the virtuous circle of a good national team with good prospects playing at high-profile tournaments being noticed by good club teams elsewhere.

If that momentum stalls, the real trouble begins.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:38 pm 
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Morgan14 wrote:
Congrats to DTH for setting the new try mark for Canada. Thought he was the difference today, class apart from everyone else on the pitch. Too bad he wasn't quite able to bag a third there near the very end.

As for the rest of it, well, I'm still angered by that fumble by Coe, that's rugby 101 stuff


Had to record and watch - as others have said, very messy.

Canada has produced two rugby greats, Rees and Charron, but DTH is the best player to have worn the Maple Leaf. Anscombe realized he has one international class player on his team and it is no use having the guy on the wing where he will touch the ball once or twice a game. Crowley made two silly moves in his second term as coach, moving Carpenter from #8 to hooker and moving DTH from centre to wing. The NSMT has not been the same since those moves were made.

Coe messed up, but I thought he played well. I thought it was a bit strange putting him at wing, but Anscombe clearly wanted experience at #15. I felt I was going into cardiac arrest when Spanton said there is going to be an issue between the 7s and the NSMT for Coe. FFS, why would a major leaguer want to play in the minors? There is no debate: Coe is on the NSMT.

hp18 - if you are reading this, we have told you for two years to tell Glasgow to sign Coe. We have to get Coe out of the country. He cannot develop here.

I thought the pack played well, would like to see a bit more from the back row. Capenter, who always plays well against the Yanks, and Blevins were excellent subs. The latter ran hard and forward, which made a difference when he came on.

I would be tempted to start the same XV. Perhaps Baillie at #6 or Carpenter at #8, and Ardron switching to blind, to start. We have no cover at lock if Baillie starts, but he or Ardron would move over to the second row. Braid has to do more at #12, and we need to get Paris much more into the game next weekend.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:31 am 
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Great being at the the game. Lots to enjoy at a great stadium.
The difference between the teams ?
......DTH.
Our boy Aaron and his great pick up and go at the end....the crowd were screaming encouragement at him..thrilling rugby.


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