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Dad’s already got in his ear. Happens all the time for junior provincial rugby. Why not senior national as well?CanNZ2000 wrote:All coaches have their favourites and their whipping boys. Jones is no exception. I think DSD has had a number of chances to prove his value to our side. Staller has had fewer. Yes, Parfrey does, seem, to get a free pass.
Happens in all sports, and life, unfortunately.Nieghorn wrote:Dad’s already got in his ear. Happens all the time for junior provincial rugby. Why not senior national as well?CanNZ2000 wrote:All coaches have their favourites and their whipping boys. Jones is no exception. I think DSD has had a number of chances to prove his value to our side. Staller has had fewer. Yes, Parfrey does, seem, to get a free pass.
Prop: Where is the Saffer Lemkus? I thought RC was waiting for him to be eligible. Or has his attitude pissed off enough people nobody wants him around? Lynott and Forrest might be better props than Barker, but they are not from Vancouver Island and do not play for JBAA.CanNZ2000 wrote:I will try to give my take on the 31 man roster Canada will send to Japan. The list will not be who I select, but who I think Jones will select.
For the squad I will assume all on healthy and willing to go.
Forwards (17)
Props: (6)
LH: Buydens, Brouwer, Barker(also hooker cover)
TH: Tienery, Ilnicki, Keith
Hooker: (2)
Piffero, Olsen
Locks: (4)
Olmstead, Beukeboom, Larsen, Sheppard
Backrow: (5)
Ardron, Baille, Rumball, Blanchett, Heaton
Backs (14)
Halfbacks: (3)
Mack, McRorie (10 Cover), Perciller
1st5 (2)
O'Leary, Parfrey (FB cover)
Centres (4)
Hearn, Trainor, LeSage, Blevins(wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it too)
Outside Backs (5)
DTH, Evans, Paris, Sauder, Coe
My big Calls: Barkwill won't make it. Age has finally caught up to him. DSD has just blown too many chances and will not make it. Parfrey will but mainly due to being a FB cover as well.
Starting line up, if all are healthy:
1. Buydens
2. Piffero
3. Tienery
4. Olmstead
5. Baille
6. Blanchett
7. Rumball
8. Ardron
9. Mack
10. O'Leary
11. DTH
12. Hearn
13. Trainor
14. Paris
15. Evans
16. Olsen
17. Brouwer
18. Ilnicki
19. Beukeboom
20. Sheppard
21. McRorie (9-10 cover)
22. Coe
23. Sauder
Forgot about Lemkus, Could see him there instead of one of the others, but who?canuckles wrote:Prop: Where is the Saffer Lemkus? I thought RC was waiting for him to be eligible. Or has his attitude pissed off enough people nobody wants him around? Lynott and Forrest might be better props than Barker, but they are not from Vancouver Island and do not play for JBAA.CanNZ2000 wrote:I will try to give my take on the 31 man roster Canada will send to Japan. The list will not be who I select, but who I think Jones will select.
For the squad I will assume all on healthy and willing to go.
Forwards (17)
Props: (6)
LH: Buydens, Brouwer, Barker(also hooker cover)
TH: Tienery, Ilnicki, Keith
Hooker: (2)
Piffero, Olsen
Locks: (4)
Olmstead, Beukeboom, Larsen, Sheppard
Backrow: (5)
Ardron, Baille, Rumball, Blanchett, Heaton
Backs (14)
Halfbacks: (3)
Mack, McRorie (10 Cover), Perciller
1st5 (2)
O'Leary, Parfrey (FB cover)
Centres (4)
Hearn, Trainor, LeSage, Blevins(wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it too)
Outside Backs (5)
DTH, Evans, Paris, Sauder, Coe
My big Calls: Barkwill won't make it. Age has finally caught up to him. DSD has just blown too many chances and will not make it. Parfrey will but mainly due to being a FB cover as well.
Starting line up, if all are healthy:
1. Buydens
2. Piffero
3. Tienery
4. Olmstead
5. Baille
6. Blanchett
7. Rumball
8. Ardron
9. Mack
10. O'Leary
11. DTH
12. Hearn
13. Trainor
14. Paris
15. Evans
16. Olsen
17. Brouwer
18. Ilnicki
19. Beukeboom
20. Sheppard
21. McRorie (9-10 cover)
22. Coe
23. Sauder
Never said logic is part of RC method of operation. But I have heard it from good sources but he will be used as the 3rd hooker. About Olsen, my gut feeling is that Howard is on the way out as he has never seem to be a favourite of Jones. Piffero provides the energy of Barkwill.canuckles wrote:Hooker: If Barker can play hook, perhaps Jones should, ya' know, kinda play him there to see if he is a #2, or is it presumptive. Olsen has been in Canada for 10 minutes and is on the team! Start him against the Eagles. The Yanks will likely beat us by 20+; it is more instructive to see a player perform in a tough situation than in an easy one. I thought Barkwill is on a central contract? Rugby Canada is paying him to not play for the country? That sounds about the logic of Rugby Canada.
I think this is quite settle. Also I think Baille will be used as a lock cover too. Just a gut feeling I have.canuckles wrote:Lock: Looks right, but, Jesus, where is the beef? It would have been good if guys like Ciulini and Fahlman could have taken two steps forward. Oh, well.
canuckles wrote:Back Row: Looks right, but, you might need a cover at #8, unless you think Baillie can dig the ball out on our feed from a retreating scrum.
Agree.canuckles wrote:SH: Looks right. Hopefully, Jones does not pull a Crowley and start three different scrummies in three straight RWC games.
I think Jones will give O'Leary a second chance. O'Leary is leading the league in scoring and kicking over crucial penalties to win games at the death. He will get another chance, question is, how long will his leash be? McRorie was seen as a super sub that would allow them to put another player on the bench.canuckles wrote:FH: Jones did not want O'Leary in the repechage, but he wants him for the RWC? It would be like admitting to a mistake, and rugby coaches on national teams never admit to an error. It is always someone else's fault.
Agree.canuckles wrote:Centre: Looks right, but, man, three guys are 30 or over. Little speed or elusiveness.
DTH injury has thrown a wrench into their plans. It will probably get Paris back on the plane who apparently Jones is not a fan of.canuckles wrote:OB: Looks right, but Jones does not like Paris. DTH and Evans are damaged, so, hopefully, they can make it through the world cup. Again, little speed. Coe is probably the fastest and he is not a burner. Where is McClelland? I thought RC was waiting for him to be eligible. I also thought one of the reasons he is not on the Arrows is he has to stay in the country, so he does not lose his eligibility? Or is McClelland going to straight to the 7s?
Agree. The centralized group is suppose to be there to build depth, not guarantee spots on a plane.canuckles wrote:One question about your team is very few of the centralized guys are on it. Why are Rugby Canada paying these guys? To pump weights at the CoE? Canada just has to get through the RWC. Guys like Sauder, Percillier and Coe will have to lead the XVs in the next four year period. It will be tough. Countries like Uruguay and Brazil are concentrating on XVs and are serious about improving their programs. The USA 7s team will be prequalified for the Olympics. Canada and Rugby Canada will, essentially, get a free pass to the Olympics. (Who said the Americans never look out for Canada?) RC should have more money available for 2020-2023.
It will be tough. I really wish Italy's and Namibia's schedules were reversed. Oh well, can't have everything.canuckles wrote:Italy know they cannot beat NZ and SA. The Italians will be ready for us, and they expect fully to pump us up front. NZ and SA will likely put 80-100 on us. Namibia is a mess of the field. They could put together more guys playing a better brand of rugby than us, but the Namibia game is our RWC.
About O'Learycanuckles wrote:CanNZ:
I am unsure of your bit when you said Jones will give O'Leary a second chance. I don't think O'Leary has done anything wrong.
Paying guys to be depth players seems, I don't know, crazy? Rugby Canada does not have the money to centralize guys. Match payments should be made to guys who have shown they belong on the NSMT. The centralization money should be spent on the U20s.
McRorie, Buydens and Piffero were known players. Blanchet is an addition. He helps us on the field. He is a good #6, in the first half of the Canada/USA game he was becoming a lineout option. Jones and Rugby Canada could pick Campbell over Blanchet. It would not be too surprising. I think Rugby Canada will take a centralized guy or two.CanNZ2000 wrote:So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.
So, who's stock has increased?
Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter
Decreased
DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.
For LH: Buydens Brouwer, Barker. Think Brouwer could get a recall in the summer to see if he is up to it. I suspect DSD to be in the long list for the WC but ultimately dropped.canuckles wrote:McRorie, Buydens and Piffero were known players. Blanchet is an addition. He helps us on the field. He is a good #6, in the first half of the Canada/USA game he was becoming a lineout option. Jones and Rugby Canada could pick Campbell over Blanchet. It would not be too surprising. I think Rugby Canada will take a centralized guy or two.CanNZ2000 wrote:So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.
So, who's stock has increased?
Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter
Decreased
DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.
Unless Barkwill has retired, he will be on the team. If DSD is not the second LHP, who is it?
Sauder was shaky. He is young and inexperienced at FB, but he was shaky. He should be off to the Arrows now, so we have to wait and see how the Arrows use Sauder. Unless, RC is telling Toronto where to play some guys.
The repechage team is the RWC team with a couple of additons (for me, Blanchet and Coe).
Against the Eagles, Kingsley Jones kept a 37 year old LHP on the field for 80 minutes. It said much about his backup loosehead prop for that game. I can't see how Barker has jumped DSD when the former has barely played any rugby and the latter was on the repechage team. Barker has not beat out DSD on the field.CanNZ2000 wrote:For LH: Buydens Brouwer, Barker. Think Brouwer could get a recall in the summer to see if he is up to it. I suspect DSD to be in the long list for the WC but ultimately dropped.canuckles wrote:McRorie, Buydens and Piffero were known players. Blanchet is an addition. He helps us on the field. He is a good #6, in the first half of the Canada/USA game he was becoming a lineout option. Jones and Rugby Canada could pick Campbell over Blanchet. It would not be too surprising. I think Rugby Canada will take a centralized guy or two.CanNZ2000 wrote:So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.
So, who's stock has increased?
Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter
Decreased
DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.
Unless Barkwill has retired, he will be on the team. If DSD is not the second LHP, who is it?
Sauder was shaky. He is young and inexperienced at FB, but he was shaky. He should be off to the Arrows now, so we have to wait and see how the Arrows use Sauder. Unless, RC is telling Toronto where to play some guys.
The repechage team is the RWC team with a couple of additons (for me, Blanchet and Coe).
Yes, I suspect the repechage to mostly be the WC team. Blanchet and Coe will be on it. Brouwer probably too. Paris will be an interesting call. He should be in it but as I have said before, the word on the street is that Jones doesn't like him.
Barkwill might be better coming in for 30 minutes off the bench. I’d like to see a young hooker included but I don’t know if one fits the bill.CanNZ2000 wrote:So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.
So, who's stock has increased?
Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter
Decreased
DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.
DSD was available for selection these past 3 weeks and wasn't picked. It appears he is on his way out, probably out of the starting line up/bench maybe out of the squad. Apparently Lemkus has been injured and is out for the long haul, DSD is lucky.canuckles wrote:Against the Eagles, Kingsley Jones kept a 37 year old LHP on the field for 80 minutes. It said much about his backup loosehead prop for that game. I can't see how Barker has jumped DSD when the former has barely played any rugby and the latter was on the repechage team. Barker has not beat out DSD on the field.CanNZ2000 wrote:For LH: Buydens Brouwer, Barker. Think Brouwer could get a recall in the summer to see if he is up to it. I suspect DSD to be in the long list for the WC but ultimately dropped.canuckles wrote:McRorie, Buydens and Piffero were known players. Blanchet is an addition. He helps us on the field. He is a good #6, in the first half of the Canada/USA game he was becoming a lineout option. Jones and Rugby Canada could pick Campbell over Blanchet. It would not be too surprising. I think Rugby Canada will take a centralized guy or two.CanNZ2000 wrote:So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.
So, who's stock has increased?
Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter
Decreased
DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.
Unless Barkwill has retired, he will be on the team. If DSD is not the second LHP, who is it?
Sauder was shaky. He is young and inexperienced at FB, but he was shaky. He should be off to the Arrows now, so we have to wait and see how the Arrows use Sauder. Unless, RC is telling Toronto where to play some guys.
The repechage team is the RWC team with a couple of additons (for me, Blanchet and Coe).
Yes, I suspect the repechage to mostly be the WC team. Blanchet and Coe will be on it. Brouwer probably too. Paris will be an interesting call. He should be in it but as I have said before, the word on the street is that Jones doesn't like him.
Jones has to pick a team to beat Namibia. That game is our RWC.
Sauder played wing for the U20 side I believe while Coe played FB. I guess Jones sees it differently. I doubt Mackenzie goes now, assuming all are healthy. Hearn should be our starting 12 with Trainor at 13.OttawaKat wrote:Barkwill might be better coming in for 30 minutes off the bench. I’d like to see a young hooker included but I don’t know if one fits the bill.CanNZ2000 wrote:So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.
So, who's stock has increased?
Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter
Decreased
DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.
McRorie might be first option at 10, but he may be appealing on the bench because he covers two spots. I really don’t want to see Parfrey in the game day lineup.
With Mack, Percillier and McRorie, MacKenzie should only go if McRorie is the starting 10.
Hearn may be a starting option due to his placekicking.
Is Sauder on the wing an option?
I will repeat: Jones did not replace a 37 year old prop in the late stages of our last Test when fresh legs and energy were desperately needed, especially as one of our locks and our best forward was in the bin. Jones and Rugby Canada have some selection policy: make the national team by not playing any rugby.CanNZ2000 wrote:DSD was available for selection these past 3 weeks and wasn't picked. It appears he is on his way out, probably out of the starting line up/bench maybe out of the squad. Apparently Lemkus has been injured and is out for the long haul, DSD is lucky.canuckles wrote:Against the Eagles, Kingsley Jones kept a 37 year old LHP on the field for 80 minutes. It said much about his backup loosehead prop for that game. I can't see how Barker has jumped DSD when the former has barely played any rugby and the latter was on the repechage team. Barker has not beat out DSD on the field.CanNZ2000 wrote:For LH: Buydens Brouwer, Barker. Think Brouwer could get a recall in the summer to see if he is up to it. I suspect DSD to be in the long list for the WC but ultimately dropped.canuckles wrote:McRorie, Buydens and Piffero were known players. Blanchet is an addition. He helps us on the field. He is a good #6, in the first half of the Canada/USA game he was becoming a lineout option. Jones and Rugby Canada could pick Campbell over Blanchet. It would not be too surprising. I think Rugby Canada will take a centralized guy or two.CanNZ2000 wrote:So, the ARC is over and it was another disaster for us. TBH, if we played in our first two games the way we played in the last two, we probably go 3-2, but oh well.
So, who's stock has increased?
Blanchet - viable backrow option, could see a shifting of backrow starters to accommodate him
McRorie - has shown that he can be serviceable at 10. Will he be the bench option for 9 and 10, or does he start?
Buydens - Yes, he is old but he has shown that the other options at 3 are simply not working
Piffero - proved that he could be a starter
Decreased
DSD - Honestly, would no be surprised to see him not on the plane.
Mackenzie - struggled when he played, might get the June test series to prove he still has it.
Parfrey - was a disaster at 10. Should not be on the plane.
Barkwill - because he was absent. Gave others a chance to show that they could start.
Unless Barkwill has retired, he will be on the team. If DSD is not the second LHP, who is it?
Sauder was shaky. He is young and inexperienced at FB, but he was shaky. He should be off to the Arrows now, so we have to wait and see how the Arrows use Sauder. Unless, RC is telling Toronto where to play some guys.
The repechage team is the RWC team with a couple of additons (for me, Blanchet and Coe).
Yes, I suspect the repechage to mostly be the WC team. Blanchet and Coe will be on it. Brouwer probably too. Paris will be an interesting call. He should be in it but as I have said before, the word on the street is that Jones doesn't like him.
Jones has to pick a team to beat Namibia. That game is our RWC.
June, obviously, will tell us what the squad will be and who is in/out. Line you said, RC has to decide what the focus on this WC will be, develop youth or try to win 2 games (1 in winnable, the other is very unlikely).
And got injured.canuckles wrote:I will repeat: Jones did not replace a 37 year old prop in the late stages of our last Test when fresh legs and energy were desperately needed, especially as one of our locks and our best forward was in the bin. Jones and Rugby Canada have some selection policy: make the national team by not playing any rugby.CanNZ2000 wrote:DSD was available for selection these past 3 weeks and wasn't picked. It appears he is on his way out, probably out of the starting line up/bench maybe out of the squad. Apparently Lemkus has been injured and is out for the long haul, DSD is lucky.canuckles wrote:Against the Eagles, Kingsley Jones kept a 37 year old LHP on the field for 80 minutes. It said much about his backup loosehead prop for that game. I can't see how Barker has jumped DSD when the former has barely played any rugby and the latter was on the repechage team. Barker has not beat out DSD on the field.CanNZ2000 wrote:For LH: Buydens Brouwer, Barker. Think Brouwer could get a recall in the summer to see if he is up to it. I suspect DSD to be in the long list for the WC but ultimately dropped.canuckles wrote:
McRorie, Buydens and Piffero were known players. Blanchet is an addition. He helps us on the field. He is a good #6, in the first half of the Canada/USA game he was becoming a lineout option. Jones and Rugby Canada could pick Campbell over Blanchet. It would not be too surprising. I think Rugby Canada will take a centralized guy or two.
Unless Barkwill has retired, he will be on the team. If DSD is not the second LHP, who is it?
Sauder was shaky. He is young and inexperienced at FB, but he was shaky. He should be off to the Arrows now, so we have to wait and see how the Arrows use Sauder. Unless, RC is telling Toronto where to play some guys.
The repechage team is the RWC team with a couple of additons (for me, Blanchet and Coe).
Yes, I suspect the repechage to mostly be the WC team. Blanchet and Coe will be on it. Brouwer probably too. Paris will be an interesting call. He should be in it but as I have said before, the word on the street is that Jones doesn't like him.
Jones has to pick a team to beat Namibia. That game is our RWC.
June, obviously, will tell us what the squad will be and who is in/out. Line you said, RC has to decide what the focus on this WC will be, develop youth or try to win 2 games (1 in winnable, the other is very unlikely).
Lemkus played in the UBC/Cal game last week, albeit at inside centre.
WtfLemkus played in the UBC/Cal game last week, albeit at inside centre.
No joke. He had not played in months, upper body injury, came into the game at centre. I stopped watching late in the game so did not see him get injured. It is not a good sign.Bowens wrote:WtfLemkus played in the UBC/Cal game last week, albeit at inside centre.
That is a complete bizarre set of events. Like WTH.canuckles wrote:No joke. He had not played in months, upper body injury, came into the game at centre. I stopped watching late in the game so did not see him get injured. It is not a good sign.Bowens wrote:WtfLemkus played in the UBC/Cal game last week, albeit at inside centre.
CanNZ2000 wrote:That is a complete bizarre set of events. Like WTH.canuckles wrote:No joke. He had not played in months, upper body injury, came into the game at centre. I stopped watching late in the game so did not see him get injured. It is not a good sign.Bowens wrote:WtfLemkus played in the UBC/Cal game last week, albeit at inside centre.
As an aside.
I have heard that the Van groups are talking again about MLR, hopefully something happens on that front.
Also, RC has talked to the CDI about putting a team in the B.C. Winter League, apparently it would be a U23 focus side, think of the Pacific Pride.
Rugby in Canada will continue to be an also ran until we go to a unified season across the country.canuckles wrote:CanNZ2000 wrote:That is a complete bizarre set of events. Like WTH.canuckles wrote:No joke. He had not played in months, upper body injury, came into the game at centre. I stopped watching late in the game so did not see him get injured. It is not a good sign.Bowens wrote:WtfLemkus played in the UBC/Cal game last week, albeit at inside centre.
As an aside.
I have heard that the Van groups are talking again about MLR, hopefully something happens on that front.
Also, RC has talked to the CDI about putting a team in the B.C. Winter League, apparently it would be a U23 focus side, think of the Pacific Pride.
Rugby Canada is a shit show - go back to something that in the past did not produce enough players for the NSMT. That sounds about its logic.
I missed the Arrows' game Sunday night. I turned on that Game channel but it was not showing MLR, so I stuck with the Flames. I read on the Arrows' site that Toronto had a great comeback to win the thing. Is the game archived anywhere? I bet Rugby Canada can't wait to put Oitomen on the U23 team and take credit for the young man's development.
Yeah. All of those are fair points.hornets wrote:Rugby in Canada will continue to be an also ran until we go to a unified season across the country.canuckles wrote:CanNZ2000 wrote:That is a complete bizarre set of events. Like WTH.canuckles wrote:No joke. He had not played in months, upper body injury, came into the game at centre. I stopped watching late in the game so did not see him get injured. It is not a good sign.Bowens wrote: Wtf
As an aside.
I have heard that the Van groups are talking again about MLR, hopefully something happens on that front.
Also, RC has talked to the CDI about putting a team in the B.C. Winter League, apparently it would be a U23 focus side, think of the Pacific Pride.
Rugby Canada is a shit show - go back to something that in the past did not produce enough players for the NSMT. That sounds about its logic.
I missed the Arrows' game Sunday night. I turned on that Game channel but it was not showing MLR, so I stuck with the Flames. I read on the Arrows' site that Toronto had a great comeback to win the thing. Is the game archived anywhere? I bet Rugby Canada can't wait to put Oitomen on the U23 team and take credit for the young man's development.
Until then, it is will be a side show.
Any RC sponsored team in the CDI should simply be a link for players from U20 to MLR/Overseas pro clubs. If it is U23 that's fine. Personally I would like to see a bit earlier cut off, maybe U21?OttawaKat wrote:I would prefer U23. I think it’s better for forwards, and also offers a chance to “late bloomers”. If it was U20 they would just stream from the Canada team and I don’t fully trust those selections.
CanNZ2000 wrote:So nothing going on anymore in Canadian rugby until the summer? Feels like it.
Yeah, it is depressing to think about it. Thank and the winter.Morgan14 wrote:CanNZ2000 wrote:So nothing going on anymore in Canadian rugby until the summer? Feels like it.
One more game, and then the Arrows are home for the spring! Mark your calendar, Sunday, April 7, for the return leg against NOLA. Try and avenge the week 1 loss.
Re NSMT, well, looking at the ARC, about par for the course I'd say, bar the loss to Brazil, possibly to Uruguay too but I'm a one-eyed supporter so recognize I'm more than a bit biased. But neither of the losses was totally out of the blue, admittedly, those teams have improved while we've crumbled.
I was at that game [obligatory I was there comment]backrow wrote:how many Canadians still play for their country, that were in the team in 2015 when Romania came from 15-0 down to beat them ?
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/47613770Applications to establish a new club in the US city of New York and relocate Hemel Stags are being considered by the Rugby Football League board.
The board, which has previously granted a licence to Canada-based Toronto Wolfpack, believes the proposals will "help deliver the RFL's vision".
Hemel withdrew from League One last year, but retained an RFL licence.
And it has been confirmed that the club's holding company has been taken over by a Canadian consortium.
However, community club Hemel ARFLC remains unaffected by the change in ownership, nor does the lease on their Pennine Way ground.
An RFL statement said the New York and Hemel applications were "at different stages, but a degree of further due diligence and assessment is required on both to ensure that the financial and business plans presented are deliverable".
New York consortium representative Ricky Wilby said: ""We're grateful to the board of the RFL for considering our application and thankful it is deemed strong enough to present to the clubs.
"Hopefully this will be the first step towards getting the franchise off the ground."
Members of the consortium will be asked to present their case to the existing Championship and League One clubs, from which the RFL will assess the level of interest.
Toronto's introduction into the game's structure broke new ground for rugby league, which already had a continental horizon with French clubs Catalans Dragons and Toulouse included.
Under the terms of their place in the league, the Wolfpack do not qualify for central funding, so owner David Argyle is wholly responsible for financing the venture, including covering travel costs for member clubs.
Rugby league already has a place in the American sports landscape, with teams in Boston, Jacksonville, Brooklyn and New York itself.
Analysis
Dave Woods, BBC rugby league correspondent
Eric Perez, the man who was behind the creation of the Toronto Wolfpack, is believed to be behind the bid to relocate League 1 side Hemel Stags.
He has previously suggested either Hamilton in Canada or Boston, USA, as possible locations.
The New York bid comes from a separate consortium and has been in the ether for over 12 months but both still have a lot of hurdles to clear.
Not only will their financial and business plans be rigorously tested, they will also have to convince the current League One and Championship sides that they have something to bring to the pot.
Both will inevitably see Super League as the ultimate goal - but there is currently a huge question mark hanging over the Super League clubs' appetite for this kind of overseas expansion.
What ever came of that alleged big Union signing Toronto was going to make?Canadian_Rugger wrote:Other Code Info:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/47613770Applications to establish a new club in the US city of New York and relocate Hemel Stags are being considered by the Rugby Football League board.
The board, which has previously granted a licence to Canada-based Toronto Wolfpack, believes the proposals will "help deliver the RFL's vision".
Hemel withdrew from League One last year, but retained an RFL licence.
And it has been confirmed that the club's holding company has been taken over by a Canadian consortium.
However, community club Hemel ARFLC remains unaffected by the change in ownership, nor does the lease on their Pennine Way ground.
An RFL statement said the New York and Hemel applications were "at different stages, but a degree of further due diligence and assessment is required on both to ensure that the financial and business plans presented are deliverable".
New York consortium representative Ricky Wilby said: ""We're grateful to the board of the RFL for considering our application and thankful it is deemed strong enough to present to the clubs.
"Hopefully this will be the first step towards getting the franchise off the ground."
Members of the consortium will be asked to present their case to the existing Championship and League One clubs, from which the RFL will assess the level of interest.
Toronto's introduction into the game's structure broke new ground for rugby league, which already had a continental horizon with French clubs Catalans Dragons and Toulouse included.
Under the terms of their place in the league, the Wolfpack do not qualify for central funding, so owner David Argyle is wholly responsible for financing the venture, including covering travel costs for member clubs.
Rugby league already has a place in the American sports landscape, with teams in Boston, Jacksonville, Brooklyn and New York itself.
Analysis
Dave Woods, BBC rugby league correspondent
Eric Perez, the man who was behind the creation of the Toronto Wolfpack, is believed to be behind the bid to relocate League 1 side Hemel Stags.
He has previously suggested either Hamilton in Canada or Boston, USA, as possible locations.
The New York bid comes from a separate consortium and has been in the ether for over 12 months but both still have a lot of hurdles to clear.
Not only will their financial and business plans be rigorously tested, they will also have to convince the current League One and Championship sides that they have something to bring to the pot.
Both will inevitably see Super League as the ultimate goal - but there is currently a huge question mark hanging over the Super League clubs' appetite for this kind of overseas expansion.
A Canadian Consortium have bought the Hemel Stags license in the RFL and plan to move the team to Canada (destination unknown atm). Also, the team in New York appears to be a go. We may have three North American pro rugby league teams playing in the RFL by next season.
Another rumour I have heard is the RFL are going to revise the structure in 2020 as the TV deal with SKY is up. We might see Toronto, Toulouse, New York, etc in an enlarged Super League.
It was for next season.hornets wrote:What ever came of that alleged big Union signing Toronto was going to make?Canadian_Rugger wrote:Other Code Info:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/47613770Applications to establish a new club in the US city of New York and relocate Hemel Stags are being considered by the Rugby Football League board.
The board, which has previously granted a licence to Canada-based Toronto Wolfpack, believes the proposals will "help deliver the RFL's vision".
Hemel withdrew from League One last year, but retained an RFL licence.
And it has been confirmed that the club's holding company has been taken over by a Canadian consortium.
However, community club Hemel ARFLC remains unaffected by the change in ownership, nor does the lease on their Pennine Way ground.
An RFL statement said the New York and Hemel applications were "at different stages, but a degree of further due diligence and assessment is required on both to ensure that the financial and business plans presented are deliverable".
New York consortium representative Ricky Wilby said: ""We're grateful to the board of the RFL for considering our application and thankful it is deemed strong enough to present to the clubs.
"Hopefully this will be the first step towards getting the franchise off the ground."
Members of the consortium will be asked to present their case to the existing Championship and League One clubs, from which the RFL will assess the level of interest.
Toronto's introduction into the game's structure broke new ground for rugby league, which already had a continental horizon with French clubs Catalans Dragons and Toulouse included.
Under the terms of their place in the league, the Wolfpack do not qualify for central funding, so owner David Argyle is wholly responsible for financing the venture, including covering travel costs for member clubs.
Rugby league already has a place in the American sports landscape, with teams in Boston, Jacksonville, Brooklyn and New York itself.
Analysis
Dave Woods, BBC rugby league correspondent
Eric Perez, the man who was behind the creation of the Toronto Wolfpack, is believed to be behind the bid to relocate League 1 side Hemel Stags.
He has previously suggested either Hamilton in Canada or Boston, USA, as possible locations.
The New York bid comes from a separate consortium and has been in the ether for over 12 months but both still have a lot of hurdles to clear.
Not only will their financial and business plans be rigorously tested, they will also have to convince the current League One and Championship sides that they have something to bring to the pot.
Both will inevitably see Super League as the ultimate goal - but there is currently a huge question mark hanging over the Super League clubs' appetite for this kind of overseas expansion.
A Canadian Consortium have bought the Hemel Stags license in the RFL and plan to move the team to Canada (destination unknown atm). Also, the team in New York appears to be a go. We may have three North American pro rugby league teams playing in the RFL by next season.
Another rumour I have heard is the RFL are going to revise the structure in 2020 as the TV deal with SKY is up. We might see Toronto, Toulouse, New York, etc in an enlarged Super League.
Canadian_Rugger wrote:It was for next season.hornets wrote:What ever came of that alleged big Union signing Toronto was going to make?Canadian_Rugger wrote:Other Code Info:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-league/47613770Applications to establish a new club in the US city of New York and relocate Hemel Stags are being considered by the Rugby Football League board.
The board, which has previously granted a licence to Canada-based Toronto Wolfpack, believes the proposals will "help deliver the RFL's vision".
Hemel withdrew from League One last year, but retained an RFL licence.
And it has been confirmed that the club's holding company has been taken over by a Canadian consortium.
However, community club Hemel ARFLC remains unaffected by the change in ownership, nor does the lease on their Pennine Way ground.
An RFL statement said the New York and Hemel applications were "at different stages, but a degree of further due diligence and assessment is required on both to ensure that the financial and business plans presented are deliverable".
New York consortium representative Ricky Wilby said: ""We're grateful to the board of the RFL for considering our application and thankful it is deemed strong enough to present to the clubs.
"Hopefully this will be the first step towards getting the franchise off the ground."
Members of the consortium will be asked to present their case to the existing Championship and League One clubs, from which the RFL will assess the level of interest.
Toronto's introduction into the game's structure broke new ground for rugby league, which already had a continental horizon with French clubs Catalans Dragons and Toulouse included.
Under the terms of their place in the league, the Wolfpack do not qualify for central funding, so owner David Argyle is wholly responsible for financing the venture, including covering travel costs for member clubs.
Rugby league already has a place in the American sports landscape, with teams in Boston, Jacksonville, Brooklyn and New York itself.
Analysis
Dave Woods, BBC rugby league correspondent
Eric Perez, the man who was behind the creation of the Toronto Wolfpack, is believed to be behind the bid to relocate League 1 side Hemel Stags.
He has previously suggested either Hamilton in Canada or Boston, USA, as possible locations.
The New York bid comes from a separate consortium and has been in the ether for over 12 months but both still have a lot of hurdles to clear.
Not only will their financial and business plans be rigorously tested, they will also have to convince the current League One and Championship sides that they have something to bring to the pot.
Both will inevitably see Super League as the ultimate goal - but there is currently a huge question mark hanging over the Super League clubs' appetite for this kind of overseas expansion.
A Canadian Consortium have bought the Hemel Stags license in the RFL and plan to move the team to Canada (destination unknown atm). Also, the team in New York appears to be a go. We may have three North American pro rugby league teams playing in the RFL by next season.
Another rumour I have heard is the RFL are going to revise the structure in 2020 as the TV deal with SKY is up. We might see Toronto, Toulouse, New York, etc in an enlarged Super League.
Btw, TWP are doing great, people have been predicting their imminent demise since day 1. They are still here, three years later and doing better than ever.
Btw, update on the second Canadian League team:
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... es-2668724
Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group: the owners of the Ottawa Redblacks, Ottawa Fury and Ottawa 67s are behind the bid to put a second Canadian team in the RFL.
Martin van der Heever will be coaching the Edmonton Gold and Clansmen this year. Pretty sure he will not be playing.CanNZ2000 wrote:So nothing going on anymore in Canadian rugby until the summer? Feels like it.
The days of talking about the best club players seems long gone.canuckles wrote:Martin van der Heever will be coaching the Edmonton Gold and Clansmen this year. Pretty sure he will not be playing.CanNZ2000 wrote:So nothing going on anymore in Canadian rugby until the summer? Feels like it.
I believe Kyne will be back with SARC. It is a well-run club. They usually bring in one or two good imports for the summer. They will be gunning to win the province again.
Austin Pinnell has made the move to the Island. He is a good young player. It will be interesting to see how he does against the BC boys.
I doubt if there are enough guys across the country on this thread anymore that we could come up with a club all-star squad. There are numerous guys in club rugby across Canada who are at the MLR level. Taitusi Vikilani, for me, is probably the best club player in the country.