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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:32 pm 
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Some depressing news for all of us:

Hearn gone for the qualifiers
Coe has a broke arm, maybe gone
Carps could be gone too

But don't worry Parfrey is ready to go.



Hearn is horrible.


He's not great, but he is not horrible either. Also, Trainor is still out, isn't he?


Braid will have to be asked to return to the NSMT.
Trainor is out. I do not think Evans is back. O'Leary will likely not be fully fit for the qualifiers. The lack of young players with skill graduating to the national team is now beyond a worry. The NSMT is a mess.


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Re Hearn, I thought he's been one of our better players (I know, damning with faint praise) these past couple of years. I hope he recovers quickly and with no ill effect to his pro contract


That is not good news though on the injury front though!! 'Next man up' as they say, but some real holes to fill


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and I echo everyone's sentiments on 7s


I've said it a few times but I don't see how 7s can be monetized, other than the world tour and the organization around that. How much money filters down from there to the respective unions is a mystery to me, my impression is RC doesn't get much from the Van 7s for example, but I could be wrong (we're always skint so they can't be making bank with it...). Having a goal of getting federal funding via 'own the podium' isn't a great strategy imho, you need to have bums in seats / watching via some sort of media. and 7s doesn't lend itself to that, it's not like you could have a 7s game (or tournament) every second weekend at a large stadium in several cities, like you might have with a full XVs league.


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Links to full women's university rugby matches here:

http://sportscanada.tv/usports/2017-wrug


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Links to full women's university rugby matches here:

http://sportscanada.tv/usports/2017-wrug


Were there any good matchups this year? I only saw highlights of the snowy final and it looked to be completely random given the conditions.

I started noticing some trends during last year's tournament and ended up discovering that nearly half the tries scored, including all but one (that being a penalty try) in the the final, came from pick and goes. A large proportion of the rest came from one pass and a crash. :?

... might explain why our women's team could only manage those sort of tries against England recently!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:36 pm 
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A friend posted this on Facebook:

http://www.rugbytoday.com/clubs/new-york-join-major-league-rugby-2019


Possibly the strongest indication yet of two potential clubs in the Toronto and Vancouver areas (well, "Ontario", not Toronto - hopefully not too distant though) that I've seen at least.


I also thought it was interesting that Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment bought the Argonauts this week (or was it last week) - potentially an end game for someone who would build a Toronto-based rugby union team I would think (assuming they could get it to a certain size of course).


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Morgan14 wrote:
A friend posted this on Facebook:

http://www.rugbytoday.com/clubs/new-york-join-major-league-rugby-2019


Possibly the strongest indication yet of two potential clubs in the Toronto and Vancouver areas (well, "Ontario", not Toronto - hopefully not too distant though) that I've seen at least.


I also thought it was interesting that Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment bought the Argonauts this week (or was it last week) - potentially an end game for someone who would build a Toronto-based rugby union team I would think (assuming they could get it to a certain size of course).


Thanks for the link.

As long as the teams are far enough away from the hungry hands of Rugby Canada, the news can be read as a good thing.
A high number of expansion teams for 2019. Too many? It is likely one, or two, or three of the 'originals' will not make it, though.


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http://theprovince.com/sports/rugby/199 ... up-success

The 1991 Team is going into the BC Sports Hall of Fame. Some good comments. A different era, better days to be sure.


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http://theprovince.com/sports/rugby/1991-canadian-rugby-team-credits-big-booze-up-for-rugby-world-cup-success

The 1991 Team is going into the BC Sports Hall of Fame. Some good comments. A different era, better days to be sure.



Good stuff. Definitely deserved. :thumbup:


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I'm in talks with a club about getting a girls' program started and as I haven't been involved with club rugby for a while, hadn't realised that they've switched to U19 / U17 / U15 (from U18 / U16).

Does anyone know the reasoning for this? There's probably good intent, but from our perspective (the club doesn't have a women's program either), it freezes out Gr 12 students who'd be U18. I wonder, on the boys side, how many clubs will run U19s? What we don't want is to miss out on Gr 12s who aren't ready to transition to adult rugby.


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Apparently the rationale is to line up / get in line with other countries' age grades and progression path (e.g. flag rugby -> modified tackle at U11 -> modified full XVs at U13 -> full XVs at U15 (with a couple of regulations such as can only push 1m in the scrum; no lifting in lineout, couple of others). It doesn't appear to impact school / high school rugby, as most schools don't seem to run a 'junior' side (which is a shame - you'd have to be an exceptional grade 9 or even grade 10 kid to survive playing grade 11s and 12s). I'd say the major impact will be that everything comes a year sooner (e.g. tackling). There is a push to keep flag rugby going for kids into the 'tackle' age grades, to keep them playing and hopefully interested in the sport (and perhaps eventually play the contact version).


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I think the clubs here in Toronto are discussing U19 and what that might look like / other options. I could be wrong though.


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I played U19 when I was in school (Simcoe County), but we had five years of high school back then. I like the idea of having more time for young players to grow without having to go to adult rugby, but liked the idea of having U20. I coached a U21 team many years ago and we had about 20 guys play two more years of rugby who had no intention - at 17/18 - of going to men's.

I'm not against it, but am interested in seeing where it goes.

The 'alignment with other countries' thing makes me think, however, that they're only concerned about the 'elite' side of things and not the practicalities of the club + school situation. I hope they do some number crunching to see if numbers rise / shrink as a result.


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Can't find any Six Nations on TV here........any streaming options you know about?
Was on DAZN for the fall internationals but only the Guinness competition there now.
Thanks


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Kimber - DAZN added the 6N today


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I played U19 when I was in school (Simcoe County), but we had five years of high school back then. I like the idea of having more time for young players to grow without having to go to adult rugby, but liked the idea of having U20. I coached a U21 team many years ago and we had about 20 guys play two more years of rugby who had no intention - at 17/18 - of going to men's.

I'm not against it, but am interested in seeing where it goes.

The 'alignment with other countries' thing makes me think, however, that they're only concerned about the 'elite' side of things and not the practicalities of the club + school situation. I hope they do some number crunching to see if numbers rise / shrink as a result.


The failure of BC rugby to really get behind a U 20 rugby league has resulted in thoussands of youth dropping out of the game. So many youth get well coached in BC highschool leagues... show up for Div 3 mens with no coaching.. and drop out of the game - go play some other sport with their buddies . Giving these kids a couple of extra years under a solid U 20 coach i think would dramatically raise the transition rates of highschool grads to mens rugby in BC.

Just my thoughts.. I coached highschool rugby in BC for 16 seasons.


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I played U19 when I was in school (Simcoe County), but we had five years of high school back then. I like the idea of having more time for young players to grow without having to go to adult rugby, but liked the idea of having U20. I coached a U21 team many years ago and we had about 20 guys play two more years of rugby who had no intention - at 17/18 - of going to men's.

I'm not against it, but am interested in seeing where it goes.

The 'alignment with other countries' thing makes me think, however, that they're only concerned about the 'elite' side of things and not the practicalities of the club + school situation. I hope they do some number crunching to see if numbers rise / shrink as a result.


The failure of BC rugby to really get behind a U 20 rugby league has resulted in thoussands of youth dropping out of the game. So many youth get well coached in BC highschool leagues... show up for Div 3 mens with no coaching.. and drop out of the game - go play some other sport with their buddies . Giving these kids a couple of extra years under a solid U 20 coach i think would dramatically raise the transition rates of highschool grads to mens rugby in BC.

Just my thoughts.. I coached highschool rugby in BC for 16 seasons.



I completely agree! And there's already been, I think, a stellar example of how it can work in Ontario. It in the early 2000s, they ran a U21 league for a number of years and I think there were 8 teams in it. I ran the lone team from a small club (the rest were from Toronto Scots, Oakville, Ajax, etc.) and we made the semis, partially because we took it seriously. Of our 22-player squad, only maybe two of them were willing to play men's at that age. The rest, as you say, would have dropped out of rugby altogether, probably never to return.

I'm not sure why it folded a year or two after I moved and started travelling, but I'd be willing to bet that clubs thought pulling those 5 guys who would play men's into their senior sides rather than building a development team around them was more important. The beauty of it was that fixtures were on Wednesday nights. You wouldn't want them playing two full games each week, but those clubs could have managed rotations if the guys were keen to do double duty.

I was talking with my local club last night about a possible solution to the lack of schools rugby around here. All of the high schools are too small to run a team (and there are few experienced staff members to coach), so they're going to propose putting together a club side, taking handfuls of interested boys from every school (five) in the region. I don't think having a club team play exhibitions / tournaments against school teams has been done before, but I think they've got a very good idea to grow the game where kids wouldn't otherwise be able. Fully insured by Rugby Canada, I can't see a problem... schools occasionally play touring sides from the UK, so this wouldn't be any different. I could see tournament organisers not being keen, though.


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So, who are the other 3 teams we are likely to face in our last chance saloon qualifying mini-tournament?


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I wish McRorie would start ahead of Mack, Mack's decision making, execution (kicking out on the full when we finally had some ball and momentum after a period of Uruguayan possession; so many bad passes resulting in knock ons or the receiver being in a poor position to receive contact... maddening!) were very very very poor again. He's a 7s player, frenetic when he should be measured, but overconfident in his ability to make something happen when he has a little more time and space


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fuc im sad about all this. The decline and lack of skills on display is shocking.


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Nieghorn wrote:
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I played U19 when I was in school (Simcoe



I'm not sure why it folded a year or two after I moved and started travelling, but I'd be willing to bet that clubs thought pulling those 5 guys who would play men's into their senior sides rather than building a development team around them was more important. The beauty of it was that fixtures were on Wednesday nights. You wouldn't want them playing two full games each week, but those clubs could have managed rotations if the guys were keen to do double duty.
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Very short sighted of clubs poaching 2-3 talented U 20's up to Div 1 or 2 and not wanting to run a U 20 or U 21 league....

Same thing in BC for last 20 years.... Just very short sighted club managment.
So many youth not transitionning from highschool. A typical high school side of 25 players in my town may see 1 player a year staying in the sport.... It is almost unbelievable how clubs are not taking the issue more serious.

A local highschool in my city runs a 9/10 side and a 11/12 side. They have 6 teachers at the school coaching the 2 teams. I think 5 of the 6 have played BC Premier level / Div 1 rugby. 2 have CDN caps with Sr. mens team. Kids that get this kind of coaching really struggle to move on to Mens div 3 rugby with a player coach and poor commitment from the players...

A solid U 20 program would address many of these issues. Clubs should make sure the U 20 coach is one of the best coaches in their club as a well coached side would set the club up long term......


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I played U19 when I was in school (Simcoe



I'm not sure why it folded a year or two after I moved and started travelling, but I'd be willing to bet that clubs thought pulling those 5 guys who would play men's into their senior sides rather than building a development team around them was more important. The beauty of it was that fixtures were on Wednesday nights. You wouldn't want them playing two full games each week, but those clubs could have managed rotations if the guys were keen to do double duty.
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Very short sighted of clubs poaching 2-3 talented U 20's up to Div 1 or 2 and not wanting to run a U 20 or U 21 league....

Same thing in BC for last 20 years.... Just very short sighted club managment.
So many youth not transitionning from highschool. A typical high school side of 25 players in my town may see 1 player a year staying in the sport.... It is almost unbelievable how clubs are not taking the issue more serious.

A local highschool in my city runs a 9/10 side and a 11/12 side. They have 6 teachers at the school coaching the 2 teams. I think 5 of the 6 have played BC Premier level / Div 1 rugby. 2 have CDN caps with Sr. mens team. Kids that get this kind of coaching really struggle to move on to Mens div 3 rugby with a player coach and poor commitment from the players...

A solid U 20 program would address many of these issues. Clubs should make sure the U 20 coach is one of the best coaches in their club as a well coached side would set the club up long term......


:thumbup:

I sometimes feel the top level coach is more about management, finding the best you can and selecting the best methods for them, not to mention getting them to all sing from the same hymn sheet.

Developmental coaching is more of an art and requires the coach to address the needs of every single participant. I've seen great teams at schools level dominate or do well for years but send very few kids move on to adult rugby because, I think, they ran it more like a top team, focusing more on doing what was necessary to win than to develop all players to love the game and be more capable and confident at it.

I reckon that's probably most important at the U16 and U18 levels when players should be moving beyond the basics and coaches, especially in Canada where we have so many sporting options, are more likely to snag a rugby player for life rather than one who just does it in the off-season of his preferred sport.


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And to think, Canuckles was worried about our two MLR sides losing 30 players due to WC prep next year.


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And to think, Canuckles was worried about our two MLR sides losing 30 players due to WC prep next year.


They will only lose 20 of them as RC will sign 2/3 for the 7s team.

A couple of us on this thread have tried to caution the 7s lovers lot about the direction Rugby Canada was taking rugby in our country, but some people do not listen. They are silent now; funny that.

Canada has a game next week. What should be done about it?


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A mate posted on one of the many fall-out threads going around that sevens is a money loser for World Rugby and that the RWC of 15s is what pays for it. Is this true?

If true, is it all about propping it up for the Olympics?


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And to think, Canuckles was worried about our two MLR sides losing 30 players due to WC prep next year.


They will only lose 20 of them as RC will sign 2/3 for the 7s team.

A couple of us on this thread have tried to caution the 7s lovers lot about the direction Rugby Canada was taking rugby in our country, but some people do not listen. They are silent now; funny that.

Canada has a game next week. What should be done about it?


1. I turned from the 7s bandwagon ages ago.

2. I guess they should play the game next week.

3. Rest of ARC should be spent finding replacements for our aging vets. Barkwill/buydens,/mack etc


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And to think, Canuckles was worried about our two MLR sides losing 30 players due to WC prep next year.


They will only lose 20 of them as RC will sign 2/3 for the 7s team.

A couple of us on this thread have tried to caution the 7s lovers lot about the direction Rugby Canada was taking rugby in our country, but some people do not listen. They are silent now; funny that.

Canada has a game next week. What should be done about it?


1. I turned from the 7s bandwagon ages ago.

2. I guess they should play the game next week.

3. Rest of ARC should be spent finding replacements for our aging vets. Barkwill/buydens,/mack etc


1. You will be back on the bandwagon during the Vancouver 7s.
2. Good answer. Have you considered working for Rugby Canada?
3. Wonderful. Let us sit three central contract guys who Rugby Canada pay to play for the country and replace them with three guys who RC will not pay. Rugby Canada management skills at its finest.


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Not sure if it's been discussed but Kingsley Jones has to go, right? No improvement over Crowley or Anscombe.


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Nieghorn wrote:
A mate posted on one of the many fall-out threads going around that sevens is a money loser for World Rugby and that the RWC of 15s is what pays for it. Is this true?

If true, is it all about propping it up for the Olympics?


Chris LeFevre has confirmed it. He is the only one with WR connections that has gone on record to say it. My take is World Rugby is shocked at the little or no knock-on effect from the Olympics. As an event, a tournament has to be run like a motor race. A once a year event where 90% of the attendees do not know or care about the participants in the event. They are there for a bit of fun. There is nothing wrong with that, but it does very little for your domestic 'sport.' These events in Canada are subsidized (to a degree) by the three levels of government. They can make no money on their own. The Canadian Grand Prix had not paid its bills for years. Uncle Bernie threatened to take the race from the Montreal Grand Prix mafia if they did not own up.

I have no idea who is your mate, but Canadian rugby needs more like him.


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Not sure if it's been discussed but Kingsley Jones has to go, right? No improvement over Crowley or Anscombe.


No; he stays. I think WR might be paying his ticket.


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Not sure if it's been discussed but Kingsley Jones has to go, right? No improvement over Crowley or Anscombe.


No; he stays. I think WR might be paying his ticket.


I have heard they are too. So far I have no issue with him. Perhaps I will by the end of the year.


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A mate posted on one of the many fall-out threads going around that sevens is a money loser for World Rugby and that the RWC of 15s is what pays for it. Is this true?

If true, is it all about propping it up for the Olympics?


Chris LeFevre has confirmed it. He is the only one with WR connections that has gone on record to say it. My take is World Rugby is shocked at the little or no knock-on effect from the Olympics. As an event, a tournament has to be run like a motor race. A once a year event where 90% of the attendees do not know or care about the participants in the event. They are there for a bit of fun. There is nothing wrong with that, but it does very little for your domestic 'sport.' These events in Canada are subsidized (to a degree) by the three levels of government. They can make no money on their own. The Canadian Grand Prix had not paid its bills for years. Uncle Bernie threatened to take the race from the Montreal Grand Prix mafia if they did not own up.

I have no idea who is your mate, but Canadian rugby needs more like him.



He's a disgruntled 'nobody' like me who has a well-thought-out agenda that he brings up whenever he can. :) He started coaching boys club last year and started to see my side of things, and our convos have taught me more about the logistical side of things. (His profession has given him a pretty good scope of such things.)


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Nieghorn wrote:
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A mate posted on one of the many fall-out threads going around that sevens is a money loser for World Rugby and that the RWC of 15s is what pays for it. Is this true?

If true, is it all about propping it up for the Olympics?


Chris LeFevre has confirmed it. He is the only one with WR connections that has gone on record to say it. My take is World Rugby is shocked at the little or no knock-on effect from the Olympics. As an event, a tournament has to be run like a motor race. A once a year event where 90% of the attendees do not know or care about the participants in the event. They are there for a bit of fun. There is nothing wrong with that, but it does very little for your domestic 'sport.' These events in Canada are subsidized (to a degree) by the three levels of government. They can make no money on their own. The Canadian Grand Prix had not paid its bills for years. Uncle Bernie threatened to take the race from the Montreal Grand Prix mafia if they did not own up.

I have no idea who is your mate, but Canadian rugby needs more like him.



He's a disgruntled 'nobody' like me who has a well-thought-out agenda that he brings up whenever he can. :) He started coaching boys club last year and started to see my side of things, and our convos have taught me more about the logistical side of things. (His profession has given him a pretty good scope of such things.)


The thing is you, your mate, CanNZ, Moosehead, hornets, Morgan, Zippy and I could all sit in a pub and discuss the mess Canadian rugby is in and disagree on how to attack the problem. But this situation would be okay. It is the stage where philosophy begins and not where it ends.

I have not looked at the RC online sites, because it would be the same old stuff. I find myself going back to what I said (here because I am also a nobody) during last year's disaster of an ARC. The main issue at the moment is Rugby Canada has complete control and authority of the national team. The NSMT is the national union's team. RC can do as it wishes with the program. Last year it decided to fire the coach and, later, the GM and to centralize things even more on the Island. I think all of us 'nobodies' could have told Rugby Canada those decisions would be of little use. I see where Gareth Rees (one of the Rugby Canada decision-makers who put us down this path) has essentially admitted to Dheensaw of the Times Colonist that Rugby Canada had got it wrong.

The question now, like last year, is what can be done to get things on track, quickly?

(Anyway, have to go, at work facing a 'mountain' of paperwork to get through for this week.)


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I actually feel like there's nothing I can do for the top end, and even don't believe people will latch onto my beliefs. They will continually try and tweak the top end as they have been for the last decade or so. It's the proverbial shuffling of the Titanic's deck chairs, though.

Some likeminded friends and I think the best we can do is be an example and make people take notice of what we're doing - we're big on sharing what we know and last week started planning a viral project we're going to share the hell out of.

... stay tuned ... :)


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When RC takes top young 15's players from BC and then makes them play full time 7's for RC ......

You know your 15's program is in serious trouble.

I don't know a single Canadian rugby fan that gives a crap about 7's yet Rugby Canada is still diverting top young players to 7's. The two games are vastly different and i don't see players making the transition back to 15's effectively.

With the shortage of talent right now in Canadian rugby we need to focus on 15's.

Personally i would like to see an Ontario ( Toronto ) , Calgary and BC Academy Under 25 teams.

3 Academies for now.

Residential academy. Put the BC Academy team in Victoria ( near Uvic ) or in Vancouver ( near UBC ) - either would be fine.

Of course this may hurt UBC / UVic rugby ...... but having daily training and allowing working players / non students / OLDER players into the program would be very beneficial.

Players go to Uni or to work but train each evening. Each Academy team plays every weekend in the highest league available. BC Premiership in BC.

Team tours each year on a major tour UK one year NZ the next .... Hosts incoming teams reqularly.

Both programs are a feeder / Academy sides to pro sides in Toronto and in Vancouver.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:31 am 
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That would be the dream, but funding? We can't rely on pay-to-play because that's already excluding great athletes who can't afford to pay a couple of grand to be on a provincial team.

Your idea of club U20s, I think, is a much better first step. Make it mandatory for teams in Prem leagues and ensure they are well coached, hiring a very good development person who oversees them (in addition to other community development initiatives that cast a wide net).


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canuckles wrote:
CanNZ2000 wrote:
canuckles wrote:
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And to think, Canuckles was worried about our two MLR sides losing 30 players due to WC prep next year.


They will only lose 20 of them as RC will sign 2/3 for the 7s team.

A couple of us on this thread have tried to caution the 7s lovers lot about the direction Rugby Canada was taking rugby in our country, but some people do not listen. They are silent now; funny that.

Canada has a game next week. What should be done about it?


1. I turned from the 7s bandwagon ages ago.

2. I guess they should play the game next week.

3. Rest of ARC should be spent finding replacements for our aging vets. Barkwill/buydens,/mack etc


1. You will be back on the bandwagon during the Vancouver 7s.
2. Good answer. Have you considered working for Rugby Canada?
3. Wonderful. Let us sit three central contract guys who Rugby Canada pay to play for the country and replace them with three guys who RC will not pay. Rugby Canada management skills at its finest.


1. I might watch the Van 7s, unlikely, but that hardly means I am on the bandwagon. Hell I didn't even watch the 7s during the Olympics. I am off it.
2. I will send my answer to number 2 to Tim powers. He can be reached at tpowers@rugbycanada.ca he has posted it online so we can all virtually yell at him.
3. If those 3 are the answers to our prayers, they we really are in a bad situation. Okay, I will give you mack. But we need to developing their replacements and this was suppose to be the tournament to do it in.

BTW, have you seen this letter? Apparently RC goal is to be the best tier 2 side?! Why not aim to be the best tier 1 side? Yes, I know stepping stones, blah, blah, blah. But it shows their lack of vision.

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We are deeply disappointed to be in this position of having not qualified as Americas 2 for the 2019 Men’s Rugby World Cup.  We appreciate the Canadian rugby community is dismayed at this result.  This is not acceptable for Canadian Rugby.

The entire organization & our Men’s 15s program will finalize a robust schedule & plan to ensure the best preparation for a successful competition and qualification through the 2019 Men’s Rugby World Cup repechage tournament in November, 2018. 

The failure to qualify as Americas 2 for the 2019 Men’s Rugby World Cup has significant financial challenges for Rugby Canada with a loss of key 2019 Men’s Rugby World Cup planning and preparation funding and missed commercial opportunities in the form of a marquee international match planned for November.  The organization will be reviewing these implications, ensuring prioritization is placed on the Men’s 15s program’s preparation for the Men’s Rugby World Cup repechage tournament this November.

Building on the extensive Men’s 15s program review that was completed in July 2017, Rugby Canada continues to undertake a significant change in strategic direction with a focus on building a long-term plan that develops our current and aspiring high performance Canadian rugby players to be competitive at the International level.  In addition to the new leadership that has been brought into the Men’s 15s program, Rugby Canada will continue to bring experienced high performance leaders to the organization who will work with our existing development programs at the Club and Provincial levels, while embracing new performance program opportunities for our current and future domestic players.

Rugby Canada is keenly focused and dedicated on returning the Men’s 15s program to being the leading Tier 2 nation in World Rugby.   

Sincerely,
RUGBY CANADA

Allen Vansen
Chief Executive Officer


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That would be the dream, but funding? We can't rely on pay-to-play because that's already excluding great athletes who can't afford to pay a couple of grand to be on a provincial team.

Your idea of club U20s, I think, is a much better first step. Make it mandatory for teams in Prem leagues and ensure they are well coached, hiring a very good development person who oversees them (in addition to other community development initiatives that cast a wide net).


Right now we are carding 7's players in Victoria that do not play 15's ... and will not re enter our CDN 15's pathway... It makes zero sense. Waste of money. I get that it is free olympic money.....
But why are we giving them our best up and coming rugby 15 youth players.....


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It's worse than that...the 7s team did not qualify for the 2016 Olympics, has finished well out of the top 10 through the past two HSBC stops, and is heading in the same direction as the 15s. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not sustainable, and less money from WR is only going to exacerbate the situation.

The question is, who is responsible for the present situation? For good or bad it has to rest on the current board's shoulders. So many of the problems facing grassroots rugby today are a direct result of policies and decisions of the board. Rugby is not in a healthy place, changes need to be made, but all that emerges is another terse and vacuous statement from RC. I agree that the worst result from here on in would be to qualify if that means the 'powers'-that-be remain in place.

The players could not provide what was required vs. Uruguay. They do hold some responsibility, but the structures within which they exist are not conducive to success. Beyond that, the barbarians are not only at the gate but also inside...the Toronto Wolfpack won on Sunday, in style...people (the ones rugby needs to attract) like teams that win.


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ruskeye7 wrote:
It's worse than that...the 7s team did not qualify for the 2016 Olympics, has finished well out of the top 10 through the past two HSBC stops, and is heading in the same direction as the 15s. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not sustainable, and less money from WR is only going to exacerbate the situation.

The question is, who is responsible for the present situation? For good or bad it has to rest on the current board's shoulders. So many of the problems facing grassroots rugby today are a direct result of policies and decisions of the board. Rugby is not in a healthy place, changes need to be made, but all that emerges is another terse and vacuous statement from RC. I agree that the worst result from here on in would be to qualify if that means the 'powers'-that-be remain in place.

The players could not provide what was required vs. Uruguay. They do hold some responsibility, but the structures within which they exist are not conducive to success. Beyond that, the barbarians are not only at the gate but also inside...the Toronto Wolfpack won on Sunday, in style...people (the ones rugby needs to attract) like teams that win.



I totally agree with that, they are willing to spend money locally here on jr rugby initiatives, and are getting the community involved. They're doing a lot right (except it's the wrong code)


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