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Duff Paddy wrote:There is no legal mechanism. He is saying they should break the law for the common good. Seize the houses, occupy them and then let the legal owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get them legally evicted.

They're MPs. Parliament can change the law.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:There is no legal mechanism. He is saying they should break the law for the common good. Seize the houses, occupy them and then let the legal owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get them legally evicted.

They're MPs. Parliament can change the law.

They could, currently though they'd struggle with European law regarding human rights.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:There is no legal mechanism. He is saying they should break the law for the common good. Seize the houses, occupy them and then let the legal owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get them legally evicted.

They're MPs. Parliament can change the law.

Do you not have a constitution

bimboman wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:There is no legal mechanism. He is saying they should break the law for the common good. Seize the houses, occupy them and then let the legal owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get them legally evicted.

They're MPs. Parliament can change the law.

They could, currently though they'd struggle with European law regarding human rights.

Oh yeah. Corbyn's right though, there's 400 hotel beds in London, someone just needs to get their checkbook out.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

bimboman wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:There is no legal mechanism. He is saying they should break the law for the common good. Seize the houses, occupy them and then let the legal owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get them legally evicted.

They're MPs. Parliament can change the law.

They could, currently though they'd struggle with European law regarding human rights.

Oh yeah. Corbyn's right though, there's 400 hotel beds in London, someone just needs to get their checkbook out.

Well they return payments went today.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:There is no legal mechanism. He is saying they should break the law for the common good. Seize the houses, occupy them and then let the legal owners spend a lot of time and money trying to get them legally evicted.

They're MPs. Parliament can change the law.

Be interesting if property was seized, and found to be in breach of the regulations that councils demand for letting. Landlords are usually responsible for ensuring works are carried out.

How many of the 400 homeless people has Jeremy offered to put up in his spare room?

Anonymous. wrote:

theo wrote:There zero chance of another election.

It's all about the Brexit negotiations now.

I don't see a dictatorship happening in this country so there will be another election. Brexit is going to take years and the government is going to get a kicking every week.

A gift from David Cameron

Dictatorship? What are you on about? The Conservatives are the largest party in Parliament as a result of the GE. They have every right, as they did in 2010, to form a Government. That's democracy.

theo wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

theo wrote:There zero chance of another election.

It's all about the Brexit negotiations now.

I don't see a dictatorship happening in this country so there will be another election. Brexit is going to take years and the government is going to get a kicking every week.

A gift from David Cameron

Dictatorship? What are you on about? The Conservatives are the largest party in Parliament as a result of the GE. They have every right, as they did in 2010, to form a Government. That's democracy.

Come on Theo. You said there is zero chance of an election. There will be another election and the Tories will have taken a weekly kicking for years over brexit in the meantime Corbyn will just snipe from the sidelines promising he would have and will do things better.

Anonymous. wrote:

theo wrote:

Anonymous. wrote:

theo wrote:There zero chance of another election.

It's all about the Brexit negotiations now.

I don't see a dictatorship happening in this country so there will be another election. Brexit is going to take years and the government is going to get a kicking every week.

A gift from David Cameron

Dictatorship? What are you on about? The Conservatives are the largest party in Parliament as a result of the GE. They have every right, as they did in 2010, to form a Government. That's democracy.

Come on Theo. You said there is zero chance of an election. There will be another election and the Tories will have taken a weekly kicking for years over brexit in the meantime Corbyn will just snipe from the sidelines promising he would have and will do things better.

On what basis will there be an election? There is no way the Tories will call one given the current polls. So unless there is a vote of no confidence against the Government in Parliament there is no reason to hold one. And given the make up of Parliament such a vote is unlikely to succeed.

Plus another election will make the Brexit cliff edge more likely as we will never agree a deal within the 2 year period. We've already wasted 3 months of it.

So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

Sandstorm wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

We don't vote in Prime Ministers in general elections. We vote for political parties. And the trust in the Tories to actually govern, particularly with May in charge, is near-zero.

JM2K6 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

We don't vote in Prime Ministers in general elections. We vote for political parties. And the trust in the Tories to actually govern, particularly with May in charge, is near-zero.

Really? Well anyone who thinks Corbin can do a better job should get off Twitter and engage their brains.

JM2K6 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

We don't vote in Prime Ministers in general elections. We vote for political parties. And the trust in the Tories to actually govern, particularly with May in charge, is near-zero.

none of which changes the mathematical make up currently.

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

JM2K6 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

We don't vote in Prime Ministers in general elections. We vote for political parties. And the trust in the Tories to actually govern, particularly with May in charge, is near-zero.

How quaint.

Blair and the UK media (read Murdoch) long ago moved elections into the US model of cult of the personality.

I expect the Tories and DUP to cling to their current position for as long as humanly possible. There are some rumours about discontent in the Tory back benchers but they will be monumentally f*cked if there is another election. Any Tory seen to have precipitated that will have committed career suicide. Also lets face it Corbyn is a bit demented, this caper with stealing people's houses is exactly the kind of thing that should bring the Tory backbenchers back into line.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

1% involves huge numbers of property whatever way you look at it. And frankly if you look at how Copenhagen's very sensible no foreign buyers rule has kept city centre property affordable there this could only benefit the good citizens of london.

May and Corbyn's performances in the campaign have had massively disproportionate effects on perceptions of their respective competence.

echo wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

1% involves huge numbers of property whatever way you look at it. And frankly if you look at how Copenhagen's very sensible no foreign buyers rule has kept city centre property affordable there this could only benefit the good citizens of london.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

We don't vote in Prime Ministers in general elections. We vote for political parties. And the trust in the Tories to actually govern, particularly with May in charge, is near-zero.

How quaint.

Blair and the UK media (read Murdoch) long ago moved elections into the US model of cult of the personality.

And we reverted right after Blair.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

Yes it does, the last study regarding empty homes in 2010 had 11,201 homes recorded as empty in London boroughs, I doubt that has doubled in the last 7 years.

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

I've no idea. Making headlines I guess.

Others suggest that there won't be one. There's certainly no way the Tories will call one.

village wrote:

echo wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

1% involves huge numbers of property whatever way you look at it. And frankly if you look at how Copenhagen's very sensible no foreign buyers rule has kept city centre property affordable there this could only benefit the good citizens of london.

Do you think there were any other factors at play?

echo wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

1% involves huge numbers of property whatever way you look at it. And frankly if you look at how Copenhagen's very sensible no foreign buyers rule has kept city centre property affordable there this could only benefit the good citizens of london.

I'm not sure Copenhagen and London are particularly comparable given the sizes.

Foreign buyers pay larger stamp duty rates then domestic buyers in the UK. I think that is a better way of dealing with it as long as that money is directed towards social/affordable housing. It means the development pipeline continues providing new homes, money towards social housing and tax receipts.

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

We don't vote in Prime Ministers in general elections. We vote for political parties. And the trust in the Tories to actually govern, particularly with May in charge, is near-zero.

How quaint.

Blair and the UK media (read Murdoch) long ago moved elections into the US model of cult of the personality.

And we reverted right after Blair.

No you didn't. Maybe in the educated, privileged elite of London where the likes of you and yeeb would scrutinise policy but outside the M4/M25? That London-centric inability to see beyond one's own naval was largely the cause of the "surprise" Brexit result and "surprise" no Tory landslide result.

JM2K6 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:So why do so many political talking heads think there'll be another one before the end of the year, theo?

If there is, it'll be fcuking stupid! 3 different PMs in 18 months? Where the fudge are we? Burkina Faso?

We don't vote in Prime Ministers in general elections. We vote for political parties. And the trust in the Tories to actually govern, particularly with May in charge, is near-zero.

In the bubble maybe, but I think the majority of the country just want them to get on with it.

echo wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

1% involves huge numbers of property whatever way you look at it. And frankly if you look at how Copenhagen's very sensible no foreign buyers rule has kept city centre property affordable there this could only benefit the good citizens of london.

Agree but you'd also have to take out the irresponsible end of the BTL sector. Something like no BTL mortgages permitted over 50% LTV.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:Blair and the UK media (read Murdoch) long ago moved elections into the US model of cult of the personality.

And we reverted right after Blair.

No you didn't. Maybe in the educated, privileged elite of London where the likes of you and yeeb would scrutinise policy but outside the M4/M25? That London-centric inability to see beyond one's own naval was largely the cause of the "surprise" Brexit result and "surprise" no Tory landslide result.

That's a bizarre response that has virtually no connection to what's been said. What on earth are you blathering on about? Do you think the Prime Ministers we've had since Blair have been impressive and voted in on personality? It's gone Brown - Cameron - May. Of those you could say Cameron was vaguely media-friendly, but he was no Blair.

Banging on about the London bubble is very, very strange. That goes for you, too, slick: we literally just had a vote on the suitability of the Tories to govern and they did not come out of it smelling of roses.

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

echo wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

bimboman wrote:There's less than 1% of London Property empty, even the premise he starts with is bollocks. But hey he's a kindly old man and the messiah.

It'll be more than that. The official numbers don't include the swathes of luxury blocks with practically zero occupancy that are owned by our money laundering friends from Russia, China, the Middle East......

1% involves huge numbers of property whatever way you look at it. And frankly if you look at how Copenhagen's very sensible no foreign buyers rule has kept city centre property affordable there this could only benefit the good citizens of london.

Agree but you'd also have to take out the irresponsible end of the BTL sector. Something like no BTL mortgages permitted over 50% LTV.

I think the market has done that anyway to a certain extent. Plus tax changes to BTL mortgage payments make them far less attractive.

For some reason, most of the country wants yet another god damn election.
Less than a week ago we had the third national vote in as many years.
But rather than being sick of the whole process, the majority of the country would apparently welcome another one.
This is according to a YouGov poll, which found that 43% of the UK wants another general election this autumn


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/13/most-of-t ... z4kSmhG1Ux

'Not another one': A UK general election is imminent according to the bookies

The most likely date for yet another general election will be before the end of this year, according to the bookmakers.

The odds of it happening by December 31 are 13/8 according to Paddy Power while Ladbrokes put it at 5/2. The odds for there being a full five year parliament are 5/1.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor ... l-13202259

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:Blair and the UK media (read Murdoch) long ago moved elections into the US model of cult of the personality.

And we reverted right after Blair.

No you didn't. Maybe in the educated, privileged elite of London where the likes of you and yeeb would scrutinise policy but outside the M4/M25? That London-centric inability to see beyond one's own naval was largely the cause of the "surprise" Brexit result and "surprise" no Tory landslide result.

That's a bizarre response that has virtually no connection to what's been said. What on earth are you blathering on about? Do you think the Prime Ministers we've had since Blair have been impressive and voted in on personality? It's gone Brown - Cameron - May. Of those you could say Cameron was vaguely media-friendly, but he was no Blair.

Banging on about the London bubble is very, very strange. That goes for you, too, slick: we literally just had a vote on the suitability of the Tories to govern and they did not come out of it smelling of roses.

They came out 50plus more seats than the next nearest though.

Santa wrote:May and Corbyn's performances in the campaign have had massively disproportionate effects on perceptions of their respective competence.

This. May ran an incompetent campaign (especially after seeing Hillary screw it up just 6 months ago), Corbyn however is a stone-cold lunatic.

Tories = several (more) years of parliamentary gaffs

Labour = UK financial suicide

That 43% figure is very similar to Labour's polling numbers. Funny that.

theo wrote:That 43% figure is very similar to Labour's polling numbers. Funny that.

Enough to form a government

bimboman wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:Blair and the UK media (read Murdoch) long ago moved elections into the US model of cult of the personality.

And we reverted right after Blair.

No you didn't. Maybe in the educated, privileged elite of London where the likes of you and yeeb would scrutinise policy but outside the M4/M25? That London-centric inability to see beyond one's own naval was largely the cause of the "surprise" Brexit result and "surprise" no Tory landslide result.

That's a bizarre response that has virtually no connection to what's been said. What on earth are you blathering on about? Do you think the Prime Ministers we've had since Blair have been impressive and voted in on personality? It's gone Brown - Cameron - May. Of those you could say Cameron was vaguely media-friendly, but he was no Blair.

Banging on about the London bubble is very, very strange. That goes for you, too, slick: we literally just had a vote on the suitability of the Tories to govern and they did not come out of it smelling of roses.

They came out 50plus more seats than the next nearest though.

Are you on retainer or something?

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:

JM2K6 wrote:

Torquemada 1420 wrote:Blair and the UK media (read Murdoch) long ago moved elections into the US model of cult of the personality.

And we reverted right after Blair.

No you didn't. Maybe in the educated, privileged elite of London where the likes of you and yeeb would scrutinise policy but outside the M4/M25? That London-centric inability to see beyond one's own naval was largely the cause of the "surprise" Brexit result and "surprise" no Tory landslide result.

That's a bizarre response that has virtually no connection to what's been said. What on earth are you blathering on about? Do you think the Prime Ministers we've had since Blair have been impressive and voted in on personality? It's gone Brown - Cameron - May. Of those you could say Cameron was vaguely media-friendly, but he was no Blair.

Banging on about the London bubble is very, very strange. That goes for you, too, slick: we literally just had a vote on the suitability of the Tories to govern and they did not come out of it smelling of roses.

But are governing with, literally, a fairly decent majority, roses or not. Which suggests to me that people just want them to get on with it and don't want Corbyn near it.

I'm not going to go round in circles but I didn't expect you to be one of these people banging on about the Torys not having a mandate when they clearly won an election.

From March

People are jokes

In bad news for Jeremy Corbyn, the proportion of people who think he would make a better Prime Minister than Theresa May hits its lowest level ever this week, at 13%. With 51% of Brits believing the Conservative leader to be a superior choice, May's 38 point lead is also the highest it has ever been

can't blame her for calling an election with those figures

Anonymous. wrote:From March

People are jokes

In bad news for Jeremy Corbyn, the proportion of people who think he would make a better Prime Minister than Theresa May hits its lowest level ever this week, at 13%. With 51% of Brits believing the Conservative leader to be a superior choice, May's 38 point lead is also the highest it has ever been

can't blame her for calling an election with those figures

We have no idea what kind of PM Corbyn will be. It's a very different job from being the leader of the opposition.