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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:08 am 
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I was going to ask when was the last time DAC posted :lol:

Didn't he get banned again? Isn't he posting as bessantj now? If I'm right then it'll be interesting to see if he can resist this thread.

Of course I could be wrong in which case my apologies....


No, I'm not DAC I used to post here as JAT.

Apparently the driver was saying "kill all Muslims" which if that's true then he should join ISIS they seem to be doing a fine job of killing Muslims.

Sorry, my bad.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:39 am 
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There are too many utter cunts out there.

Country really not in a good place at the moment, would be a nice time to have a leader who people at least respect.


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So Dozy is arguing that they deserved it. Interesting angle.

Daily Mail also went for the same angle I see, have since backtracked.


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Grim.

As the attacker seems to be alive he can hopefully explain what the fudge he thought he was doing.


I think it is pretty clear what he was intending to do and sadly succeeded.

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Eyewitness Abdul Rahman said the driver said he wanted to "kill all Muslims".
Mr Rahman told the BBC he struck the man and helped subdue him.
"When the guy came out from his van he wanted to escape, run away and he was saying 'I want to kill Muslims. 'I want to kill Muslims.'
"I hit him on his stomach... and then me and the other guys... we held him to the ground until he couldn't move. We stopped him until the police came."


Well done Abdul.


Yeah I got the face value stuff, but would like to know whether how premeditated and organised it was. The usual - just a lone guy on a mission or encouraged/facilitated, such as by a far right group?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:21 pm 
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SamShark wrote:
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Grim.

As the attacker seems to be alive he can hopefully explain what the fudge he thought he was doing.


I think it is pretty clear what he was intending to do and sadly succeeded.

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Eyewitness Abdul Rahman said the driver said he wanted to "kill all Muslims".
Mr Rahman told the BBC he struck the man and helped subdue him.
"When the guy came out from his van he wanted to escape, run away and he was saying 'I want to kill Muslims. 'I want to kill Muslims.'
"I hit him on his stomach... and then me and the other guys... we held him to the ground until he couldn't move. We stopped him until the police came."


Well done Abdul.


Yeah I got the face value stuff, but would like to know whether how premeditated and organised it was. The usual - just a lone guy on a mission or encouraged/facilitated, such as by a far right group?


It's worth finding out how he was radicalised. There's plenty of anti-Muslim types on Youtube, for example, which is where a lot of people like this will take their inspiration.


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I think we should wait for the facts to emerge before jumping to any conclusions.


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The lunatic is probably going to suffer horrendously at the hands of the prison jihadis.


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The lunatic is probably going to suffer horrendously at the hands of the prison jihadis.


If this is likely to be true if he goes to prison then he could end up in a VP wing.


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Apparently the chap that died had a heart attack just before he was hit so there are no deaths arising from this attack thank god. :thumbup:


It does not sound like he was hit at all. Was getting First Aid outside the mosque at the time but not directly hit by the vehicle.


This is so grim.


In the States, if someone dies during the commission of a crime the criminals can then be charged with murder, unless I've been lied to by all those CSI: Miami episodes.

Not sure if it's the same in the UK, but if his actions at all interfered with any first aid, medical response or delayed his treatment or transport for even a second I hope it's considered.


It used to be the same until a bloke called Derek Bentley got hanged for a murder that happened after he surrendered to the police. There was a bit of an outcry, and I think they changed it after a decent interval.


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It used to be the same until a bloke called Derek Bentley got hanged for a murder that happened after he surrendered to the police. There was a bit of an outcry, and I think they changed it after a decent interval.


That's a bit different. The issue there was being an accomplice during a crime where someone died, and knowing that this outcome was a possibility (eg partner takes a weapon) And 'let him have it' and capacity etc, but it's not equivalent to what seems to have happened here.


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It used to be the same until a bloke called Derek Bentley got hanged for a murder that happened after he surrendered to the police. There was a bit of an outcry, and I think they changed it after a decent interval.


That's a bit different. The issue there was being an accomplice during a crime where someone died, and knowing that this outcome was a possibility (eg partner takes a weapon) And 'let him have it' and capacity etc, but it's not equivalent to what seems to have happened here.


This is essentially the same:

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if someone dies during the commission of a crime the criminals can then be charged with murder


Yeah different circumstances, but beware the law of unintended consequences. I doubt that English law in the 1950s was really intended to send the likes of Derek Bentley to the hangman.


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theo wrote:
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Grim.

As the attacker seems to be alive he can hopefully explain what the fudge he thought he was doing.


I think it is pretty clear what he was intending to do and sadly succeeded.

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Eyewitness Abdul Rahman said the driver said he wanted to "kill all Muslims".
Mr Rahman told the BBC he struck the man and helped subdue him.
"When the guy came out from his van he wanted to escape, run away and he was saying 'I want to kill Muslims. 'I want to kill Muslims.'
"I hit him on his stomach... and then me and the other guys... we held him to the ground until he couldn't move. We stopped him until the police came."


Well done Abdul.


Yeah I got the face value stuff, but would like to know whether how premeditated and organised it was. The usual - just a lone guy on a mission or encouraged/facilitated, such as by a far right group?


It's worth finding out how he was radicalised. There's plenty of anti-Muslim types on Youtube, for example, which is where a lot of people like this will take their inspiration.


The fact he wanted to escape suggests he didn't really think it out.


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koroke hangareka wrote:
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It used to be the same until a bloke called Derek Bentley got hanged for a murder that happened after he surrendered to the police. There was a bit of an outcry, and I think they changed it after a decent interval.


That's a bit different. The issue there was being an accomplice during a crime where someone died, and knowing that this outcome was a possibility (eg partner takes a weapon) And 'let him have it' and capacity etc, but it's not equivalent to what seems to have happened here.


This is essentially the same:

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if someone dies during the commission of a crime the criminals can then be charged with murder


Yeah different circumstances, but beware the law of unintended consequences. I doubt that English law in the 1950s was really intended to send the likes of Derek Bentley to the hangman.



It'll be interesting. Last bit though - absolutely was intended for that. Argument would have been the deterrent effect, if your partner in crime intends to carry a gun you might persuade him otherwise if a hanging was a possible outcome for you. The issue with Bentley was his capacity to understand the consequences involved, and quite what he meant by "let him have it".


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bobbity wrote:
koroke hangareka wrote:
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koroke hangareka wrote:
It used to be the same until a bloke called Derek Bentley got hanged for a murder that happened after he surrendered to the police. There was a bit of an outcry, and I think they changed it after a decent interval.


That's a bit different. The issue there was being an accomplice during a crime where someone died, and knowing that this outcome was a possibility (eg partner takes a weapon) And 'let him have it' and capacity etc, but it's not equivalent to what seems to have happened here.


This is essentially the same:

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if someone dies during the commission of a crime the criminals can then be charged with murder


Yeah different circumstances, but beware the law of unintended consequences. I doubt that English law in the 1950s was really intended to send the likes of Derek Bentley to the hangman.



It'll be interesting. Last bit though - absolutely was intended for that. Argument would have been the deterrent effect, if your partner in crime intends to carry a gun you might persuade him otherwise if a hanging was a possible outcome for you. The issue with Bentley was his capacity to understand the consequences involved, and quite what he meant by "let him have it".


Those are pretty serious issues though, and I suspect that given an absolutely unimpeachable application of the law, Bentley wouldn't have been convicted. He was though, so I'll stick with unintended consequences.

But to be clear, Had Bentley known that his crime was likely to end in murder, and had he been mentally unimpaired, I think the guilty verdict would have been fair enough.


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Apparently the chap that died had a heart attack just before he was hit so there are no deaths arising from this attack thank god. :thumbup:


It does not sound like he was hit at all. Was getting First Aid outside the mosque at the time but not directly hit by the vehicle.


This is so grim.


In the States, if someone dies during the commission of a crime the criminals can then be charged with murder, unless I've been lied to by all those CSI: Miami episodes.

Not sure if it's the same in the UK, but if his actions at all interfered with any first aid, medical response or delayed his treatment or transport for even a second I hope it's considered.

Not much of a stretch to suggest this contributed to a fatal MI.


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Apparently the chap that died had a heart attack just before he was hit so there are no deaths arising from this attack thank god. :thumbup:


It does not sound like he was hit at all. Was getting First Aid outside the mosque at the time but not directly hit by the vehicle.


This is so grim.


In the States, if someone dies during the commission of a crime the criminals can then be charged with murder, unless I've been lied to by all those CSI: Miami episodes.

Not sure if it's the same in the UK, but if his actions at all interfered with any first aid, medical response or delayed his treatment or transport for even a second I hope it's considered.

Not much of a stretch to suggest this contributed to a fatal MI.


I think that the MI happened a few minutes before the van struck and he was already receiving first aid, so it would be very unlikely that he could/would be charged with murder as it would just be too much of a stretch to link the death to his actions.


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Every bit as bad as the Muslim terrorists. Scum. It should be treated in exactly the same way too. :thumbdown:


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


He's from Weston-super-mare.

I.e. Not Cardiff.


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


Feel die those kids, to have such a rotten plum as a dad.


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


He's from Weston-super-mare.

I.e. Not Cardiff.


You might want inspector noble know then, they're searching an address in Cardiff.


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


Feel die those kids, to have such a rotten plum as a dad.


Me too. Probably been force fed hatred since birth.


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


He's from Weston-super-mare.

I.e. Not Cardiff.


You might want inspector noble know then, they're searching an address in Cardiff.




http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/finsbury-park-mosque-terror-suspect-121666#ICID=sharebar_twitter


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


He's from Weston-super-mare.

I.e. Not Cardiff.


They must be searching someone else's home in Cardiff.


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


He's from Weston-super-mare.

I.e. Not Cardiff.


They must be searching someone else's home in Cardiff.


It's where he lives now according to reports.


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


He's from Weston-super-mare.

I.e. Not Cardiff.


They must be searching someone else's home in Cardiff.


It's where he lives now according to reports.



You're really going with this argument on where he was from ?


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616


He's from Weston-super-mare.

I.e. Not Cardiff.


They must be searching someone else's home in Cardiff.


It's where he lives now according to reports.



You're really going with this argument on where he was from ?


Perhaps we can argue that he's really from Ponyclun as that's probably where he last set an actual foot on soil before he committed his atrocity. Saves Cardiff from any bad press.


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Or finsbury, as that's where he was last seen.

Where you're from is where you're from, it's not confusing.


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Or finsbury, as that's where he was last seen.

Where you're from is where you're from, it's not confusing.

Finsbury park dear chap. Finsbury is an entirely different area 😉


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The vicious deluded twat has been named; Darren Osborne, 47, father of 4 from Cardiff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616

How he could do that to his kids. Selfish bastard


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Or finsbury, as that's where he was last seen.

Where you're from is where you're from, it's not confusing.



They are quick enough to recognise this, if it concerns a English youngster deciding to play rugby for another country. :nod: :lol:


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When they said he was from Wales I thought maybe it was Fatcat


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Or finsbury, as that's where he was last seen.

Where you're from is where you're from, it's not confusing.


It's confusing you.


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When they said he was from Wales I thought maybe it was Fatcat


At least I don't pretend White City is Notting Hill. :proud:


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I think that the MI happened a few minutes before the van struck and he was already receiving first aid, so it would be very unlikely that he could/would be charged with murder as it would just be too much of a stretch to link the death to his actions.

I would have thought they would charge him with murder for starters but only go to court with the lesser charges.


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The lengths people will go to in order that they no longer have to live in Cardiff


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Kill yourselves. All of you, you paedo, wife beating shitcunts.


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Kill yourselves. All of you, you paedo, wife beating shitcunts.

Great point well made :thumbup:
I too am sickened by the direction of this reactionary shit hole
Great post has post modernism written all over it


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I'm hearing he moved to Cardiff a year ago. Neighbours described him as a bit of a cünt.


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I'm hearing he moved to Cardiff a year ago. Neighbours described him as a bit of a Saes cünt.


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