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SA vs France: Emirates Airline Park (Ellis Park), Johannesburg
24 June 17h00 SAST | 15h00 UTC

SA A vs French Barbarians: 23 June Orlando Stadium Johannesburg
23 June 20h00 SAST | 18h00 UTC

Emirates Airline Park (Ellis Park), Johannesburg



Capacity: 62,567

Orlando Stadium Johannesburg

Capacity: 40 000

Weather:
Temp: 14°C
Rain: 0%
Wind: 11 kmh NNW

Betting best odds (Oddschecker)
South Africa (1/5) 1.2
France (4/1) 5.0
Handicap: SA -13

Officials:
Referee Angus Gardner (Australia)
Assistant 1 Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant 2 Ben O'Keeffe (New Zealand)
TMO Rowan Kitt (England)

SA A vs French BaaBaas:
Referee: Jaco van Heerden
Assistant referees: Lesego Legoete, Jaco Pretorius
TMO: Johan Greeff

Springboks:





World Ranking: 6

Springboks – TBA

SA A to play the French Barbarians
15 Warrick Gelant, 14 Lwazi Mvovo, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Francois Venter (captain), 11 Seabelo Senatla, 10 Fred Zeilinga, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Andisa Ntsila, 7 Sikhumbuzo Notshe, 6 Chris Cloete, 5 Ruan Botha, 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Ramone Samuels, 1 Ox Nche.
Replacements: 16 Franco Marais, 17 Thomas du Toit, 18 Wilco Louw, 19 Uzair Cassiem, 20 Ruan Ackermann, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Handré Pollard, 23 Juan de Jongh.

France:





World Ranking: 8

France: 15 Brice Dulin, 14 Nans Ducuing, 13 Damian Penaud, 12 Gael Fickou, 11 Virimi Vakatawa, 10 Jules Plisson, 9 Baptiste Serin, 8 Louis Picamoles, 7 Kevin Gourdon, 6 Yacouba Camara, 5 Romain Taofifenua, 4 Yoann Maestri, 3 Rabah Slimani, 2 Guilhem Guirado (captain), 1 Jefferson Poirot
Substitutes: 16 Clement Maynadier, 17 Xavier Chiocci, 18 Uini Atonio, 19 Paul Jedrasiak, 20 Loann Goujon, 21 Maxime Machenaud, 22 Francois Trinh-Duc, 23 Vincent Rattez

Barbarians Français: 15 Julien Dumora, 14 Louis Dupichot, 13 Lucas Dupont, 12 Arnaud Mignardi, 11 Fabrice Estebanez, 10 Frédéric Michalak, 9 Yann Lesgourgues, 8 Marco Tauleigne, 7 Antoine Erbani, 6 Romain Sazy, 5 Alexandre Flanquart, 4 Félix Lambey, 3 Clément Ric, 2 Anthony Etrillard, 1 Khatchik Vartanov
Substitutes: 16 Rémi Bonfils, 17 Malik Hamadache, 18 Tommy Raynaud, 19 Arnaud Mela, 20 Anthony Jelonch, 21 Jean-Baptiste Pejoine, 22 Anthony Belleau, 23 Jean-Baptiste Dubie

History:

2017 Series:
SA: 2
France: 0

Overall:
Played: 41
Boks: 24
France: 11
Draw: 6

In SA:
Played: 23
Boks: 12
France: 6
Draw: 5

Last 5 in SA:
Durban - 17 June 2017: 37-15 W
Pretoria - 10 Jun 2017: 37-14 W
Cape Town - 12 Jun 2010: 42-17 W
Cape Town - 24 Jun 2006: 26-36 L
Port Elizabeth - 25 Jun 2005: 27-13 W

I'll call more steady progression by the french XV: 37-16.

Hoping Oupa is ok, but I'm glad that JLDP will get a chance to start, with Kriel on the bench. Would like to see Combrinck in the 23 as well. Maybe start the bench props ahead of Beast and Malherbe.

From the other thread:
I really hope AC doesn't mess with the 23 at all, other than bringing Kriel on the bench in for Oupa.

We can make a couple changes within the 23 but keep them the same.

While I think AC will make minimal changes with possibly only Kriel coming in for Mapoe, which would be a mistake, I'd like to see the following, and yes I know there are quite a few changes to the starting XV. Well only 2 really in the pack (not counting JL duP) and 3 in the backs:
1. Ginger
2. Marx
3. Coenie
4. Eben
5. Mostert
6. Kolisi
7. JL duP
8. Whiteley

9. Hoohah
10. Juntjies
11. Leyds
12. Frans
13. Serfontein
14. Rhule
15. Coetzee

16. Bongi
17. Dreyer
18. Beast
19. PSDT
20. Kriel
21. Cronje
22. Mapoe
23. Skosan/Kriel

i think the team should be a close to the previous 2 as possible. When Terry Venables was England Coach he had a motto that it should be as hard to get out of the team as it was to get into the team. It should be the same with the Boks. Consistency breeds success. Obviously if someone was completely crap then they're out!

mdaclarke wrote:i think the team should be a close to the previous 2 as possible. When Terry Venables was England Coach he had a motto that it should be as hard to get out of the team as it was to get into the team. It should be the same with the Boks. Consistency breeds success. Obviously if someone was completely crap then they're out!

It's the same 23 but I agree. There's just a few there who I have hoped would start all along

South Africa (1/5) 1.2
France (4/1) 5.0
Handicap: SA -13

Continuity. Learn from Jake White. Build a team going forward. There are enough youngsters in the side to provide continuity for 5 years at least

Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

Sandstorm wrote:Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

Time to introduce Curwin to Springbok senior rugby....he is the future going forward.
As well as Pollard....

It was always meant to be Pollard , Jan , Jesse....

Sards wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

Time to introduce Curwin to Springbok senior rugby....he is the future going forward.
As well as Pollard....

It was always meant to be Pollard , Jan , Jesse....

The Goose must make a comeback. He has a lot to add.
And he is a local boytjie now.

Seems as if Lambie is gone.

saffer13 wrote:From the other thread:
I really hope AC doesn't mess with the 23 at all, other than bringing Kriel on the bench in for Oupa.

We can make a couple changes within the 23 but keep them the same.

While I think AC will make minimal changes with possibly only Kriel coming in for Mapoe, which would be a mistake, I'd like to see the following, and yes I know there are quite a few changes to the starting XV. Well only 2 really in the pack (not counting JL duP) and 3 in the backs:
1. Ginger
2. Marx
3. Coenie
4. Eben
5. Mostert
6. Kolisi
7. JL duP
8. Whiteley

9. Hoohah
10. Juntjies
11. Leyds
12. Frans
13. Serfontein
14. Rhule
15. Coetzee

16. Bongi
17. Dreyer
18. Beast
19. PSDT
20. Kriel
21. Cronje
22. Mapoe
23. Skosan/Kriel

Due to political pressure I cannot see a Springbok team starting with only 2 black players, so I expect Beast and Mapoe to start.
I would expect that the only change would be the enforced one of JLDP coming in for Mohoje.
I would like to see Jesse Kriel at fullback rather than Coetzee. He is a more explosive runner than Coetzee.

Talent alone (despite no game plan in sight) if engaged will keep you in a game. We've seen it in the last EOYT and 6N games.

But factually on those mid-year tours France are more likely to roll over in their own puke, or.. "make up the numbers" if you prefer.

They won't just get a good 80min of solid team Rugby out of their asses, coz why not.

Young eager Boks side with some promise found won't consider they've won the series and just show up. They'll relish getting more and more of that good stuff in front of the home crowd. Make coach and nation proud.

I predict with good confidence just about the same result as the first two for a tour that'll actually go down as worse than Aus June 2014.

Sandstorm wrote:Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

First world problems... I wish we had a starting 10.

Steve_GT wrote:
Due to political pressure I cannot see a Springbok team starting with only 2 black players, so I expect Beast and Mapoe to start.
I would expect that the only change would be the enforced one of JLDP coming in for Mohoje.
I would like to see Jesse Kriel at fullback rather than Coetzee. He is a more explosive runner than Coetzee.

Welcome to the thread... Good points. Makes a lot sense

Cronje out - concussion
Mapoe and Venter released to SA A side, which obviously means Kriel will start.

Both Venter and Mapoe should have stayed before Kriel.

Sards wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

Time to introduce Curwin to Springbok senior rugby....he is the future going forward.
As well as Pollard....

It was always meant to be Pollard , Jan , Jesse....

So which is it Sard?

saffer13 wrote:Cronje out - concussion
Mapoe and Venter released to SA A side, which obviously means Kriel will start.

Both Venter and Mapoe should have stayed before Kriel.

Your jealousy weighs you down .......... those that believe your bullshit are poorer for it.
Jesse has more talent in his left bicep than you ever had in your entire carreer.
When he twitches his abs on his fb page you shit yellow jelly beans out your arse.

saffer13 wrote:

Sards wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

Time to introduce Curwin to Springbok senior rugby....he is the future going forward.
As well as Pollard....

It was always meant to be Pollard , Jan , Jesse....

So which is it Sard?

Both...Pollard is very out of form and needs more time in Soup rugby although playing for the Bulls wont help him currently.
Curwin is in form

Sards wrote:

Steve_GT wrote:
Due to political pressure I cannot see a Springbok team starting with only 2 black players, so I expect Beast and Mapoe to start.
I would expect that the only change would be the enforced one of JLDP coming in for Mohoje.
I would like to see Jesse Kriel at fullback rather than Coetzee. He is a more explosive runner than Coetzee.

Welcome to the thread... Good points. Makes a lot sense

Thanks Sards.. Long time Lurker, but never really posted.

With Mapoe being released to the 'A' team there goes my theory down the crapper..

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

Sards wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

Time to introduce Curwin to Springbok senior rugby....he is the future going forward.
As well as Pollard....

It was always meant to be Pollard , Jan , Jesse....

So which is it Sard?

Both...Pollard is very out of form and needs more time in Soup rugby although playing for the Bulls wont help him currently.
Curwin is in form

Is that bait Sards?

Bosch is hugely talented but is nowhere good enough to play at this level. I hate saying this because it feels like I am being a bit personal but I don's beleive he has the heart/guts to play at this level. Not saying I would either.

Steve_GT wrote:

Sards wrote:

Steve_GT wrote:
Due to political pressure I cannot see a Springbok team starting with only 2 black players, so I expect Beast and Mapoe to start.
I would expect that the only change would be the enforced one of JLDP coming in for Mohoje.
I would like to see Jesse Kriel at fullback rather than Coetzee. He is a more explosive runner than Coetzee.

Welcome to the thread... Good points. Makes a lot sense

Thanks Sards.. Long time Lurker, but never really posted.

With Mapoe being released to the 'A' team there goes my theory down the crapper..

So basically back to the team that started the first test then... except Hooha starts and Paige on the bench

beachboy wrote:

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

Sards wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:Worries me there is no proper 10 backup

Time to introduce Curwin to Springbok senior rugby....he is the future going forward.
As well as Pollard....

It was always meant to be Pollard , Jan , Jesse....

So which is it Sard?

Both...Pollard is very out of form and needs more time in Soup rugby although playing for the Bulls wont help him currently.
Curwin is in form

Is that bait Sards?

Bosch is hugely talented but is nowhere good enough to play at this level. I hate saying this because it feels like I am being a bit personal but I don's beleive he has the heart/guts to play at this level. Not saying I would either.

he will never be included now...wont happen.
I think you are way off regarding the bolded...calmest fullback besides Lambie
Have you watched him....if he stuffs up he just turns around and carries on as though nothing happened.
He has been involved in some epic Soup matches....

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:Cronje out - concussion
Mapoe and Venter released to SA A side, which obviously means Kriel will start.

Both Venter and Mapoe should have stayed before Kriel.

Your jealousy weighs you down .......... those that believe your bullshit are poorer for it.
Jesse has more talent in his left bicep than you ever had in your entire carreer.
When he twitches his abs on his fb page you shit yellow jelly beans out your arse.

Have you got his poster on your wall boet?

saffer13 wrote:

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:Cronje out - concussion
Mapoe and Venter released to SA A side, which obviously means Kriel will start.

Both Venter and Mapoe should have stayed before Kriel.

Your jealousy weighs you down .......... those that believe your bullshit are poorer for it.
Jesse has more talent in his left bicep than you ever had in your entire carreer.
When he twitches his abs on his fb page you shit yellow jelly beans out your arse.

Have you got his poster on your wall boet?

Ruaaaan is looking a a bit older now, Curwin still a bit too young. Jessie it is for now.

saffer13 wrote:

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:Cronje out - concussion
Mapoe and Venter released to SA A side, which obviously means Kriel will start.

Both Venter and Mapoe should have stayed before Kriel.

Your jealousy weighs you down .......... those that believe your bullshit are poorer for it.
Jesse has more talent in his left bicep than you ever had in your entire carreer.
When he twitches his abs on his fb page you shit yellow jelly beans out your arse.

Have you got his poster on your wall boet?

I get all his fb notifications when he poses....only thing about him I don't like...

Sandstorm wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:Cronje out - concussion
Mapoe and Venter released to SA A side, which obviously means Kriel will start.

Both Venter and Mapoe should have stayed before Kriel.

Your jealousy weighs you down .......... those that believe your bullshit are poorer for it.
Jesse has more talent in his left bicep than you ever had in your entire carreer.
When he twitches his abs on his fb page you shit yellow jelly beans out your arse.

Have you got his poster on your wall boet?

Ruaaaan is looking a a bit older now, Curwin still a bit too young. Jessie it is for now.

go wash your vagina out...

watch...just because of that he wont start

I enjoyed the first two tests and believe we will win this one. If the French has some guts they’ll make it tight but chances are being French they’ll just roll over. A word of caution for all those Springbok supporters beaming with positivity, the first French team was basically a second string team and although the second team was better on paper, those players only joined the team a week ago after playing a final at the end of a long and gruelling competition. They looked absolutely knackered to me. I’ll reserve my optimism till after we faced sterner opposition in the RC.

Average Joe wrote:I enjoyed the first two tests and believe we will win this one. If the French has some guts they’ll make it tight but chances are being French they’ll just roll over. A word of caution for all those Springbok supporters beaming with positivity, the first French team was basically a second string team and although the second team was better on paper, those players only joined the team a week ago after playing a final at the end of a long and gruelling competition. They looked absolutely knackered to me. I’ll reserve my optimism till after we faced sterner opposition in the RC.

Average Joe wrote:I enjoyed the first two tests and believe we will win this one. If the French has some guts they’ll make it tight but chances are being French they’ll just roll over. A word of caution for all those Springbok supporters beaming with positivity, the first French team was basically a second string team and although the second team was better on paper, those players only joined the team a week ago after playing a final at the end of a long and gruelling competition. They looked absolutely knackered to me. I’ll reserve my optimism till after we faced sterner opposition in the RC.

I think you're misjudging why we are positive. It's not just about beating a poor French team. The intent we are showing on the field, the game plan, etc. It is a major shift to what was on display last year...also against poor teams (Italy). We are all well aware that we have a long way to go but to suggest there hasn't been an improvement is naive.

saffer13 wrote:

Average Joe wrote:I enjoyed the first two tests and believe we will win this one. If the French has some guts they’ll make it tight but chances are being French they’ll just roll over. A word of caution for all those Springbok supporters beaming with positivity, the first French team was basically a second string team and although the second team was better on paper, those players only joined the team a week ago after playing a final at the end of a long and gruelling competition. They looked absolutely knackered to me. I’ll reserve my optimism till after we faced sterner opposition in the RC.

I think you're misjudging why we are positive. It's not just about beating a poor French team. The intent we are showing on the field, the game plan, etc. It is a major shift to what was on display last year...also against poor teams (Italy). We are all well aware that we have a long way to go but to suggest there hasn't been an improvement is naive.

And the fact that we were on one hell of a losing streak.....thank you France...you make us feel better about ourselves.

Sards wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

Average Joe wrote:I enjoyed the first two tests and believe we will win this one. If the French has some guts they’ll make it tight but chances are being French they’ll just roll over. A word of caution for all those Springbok supporters beaming with positivity, the first French team was basically a second string team and although the second team was better on paper, those players only joined the team a week ago after playing a final at the end of a long and gruelling competition. They looked absolutely knackered to me. I’ll reserve my optimism till after we faced sterner opposition in the RC.

I think you're misjudging why we are positive. It's not just about beating a poor French team. The intent we are showing on the field, the game plan, etc. It is a major shift to what was on display last year...also against poor teams (Italy). We are all well aware that we have a long way to go but to suggest there hasn't been an improvement is naive.

And the fact that we were on one hell of a losing streak.....thank you France...you make us feel better about ourselves.

You're welcome. That's our most successful niche these days.

Jesse Kriel is is the new Jorrie Muller.

He tackles like Brent Russel, looks awesome, always misses the important ones.

I can see why Sardy wants all these models though, it's quite cunning, he's hoping that they will keep his wife in the room so he can actually watch the game, instead of doing the ironing.

Sardy's list of priorities goes

>looks good
>has a beach body
>plays for the sharks
>has a semi conservative hairstyle possibly highlights(from the sun promise)
>likes to punch people in the head
>Appears in any stat anywhere
>any rugby stuff

houtkabouter wrote:Jesse Kriel is is the new Jorrie Muller.

He tackles like Brent Russel, looks awesome, always misses the important ones.

I can see why Sardy wants all these models though, it's quite cunning, he's hoping that they will keep his wife in the room so he can actually watch the game, instead of doing the ironing.

Sardy's list of priorities goes

>looks good
>has a beach body
>plays for the sharks
>has a semi conservative hairstyle possibly highlights(from the sun promise)
>likes to punch people in the head
>Appears in any stat anywhere
>any rugby stuff

I find it difficult to play insult / insult with you...I think you are a very decent bloke...so Ill pass.

BTW......Who missed the important one close to the tryline.......nooooooooo......it cant be..........

Mostert , along with the other 3 that he missed.....

But this wont be mentioned....no never.....its alright.....he tried his best...

saffer13 wrote:

Average Joe wrote:I enjoyed the first two tests and believe we will win this one. If the French has some guts they’ll make it tight but chances are being French they’ll just roll over. A word of caution for all those Springbok supporters beaming with positivity, the first French team was basically a second string team and although the second team was better on paper, those players only joined the team a week ago after playing a final at the end of a long and gruelling competition. They looked absolutely knackered to me. I’ll reserve my optimism till after we faced sterner opposition in the RC.

I think you're misjudging why we are positive. It's not just about beating a poor French team. The intent we are showing on the field, the game plan, etc. It is a major shift to what was on display last year...also against poor teams (Italy). We are all well aware that we have a long way to go but to suggest there hasn't been an improvement is naive.

No I noticed the improvement but I also noticed the many silly mistakes that the French failed to capitalise on. Any of the other NH teams won’t give us half a breath on mistakes like kicking out on the full or miss fielding a straight forward kick off not to even mention the All Blacks. If that happens playing the AB's you can bet your bottom dollar it will lead to try.

I think you might be overlooking a very simple fact “You’re only as good as your opposition allows you to be” and the French was kak, dare I say even kaker than last year’s Italy.

Average Joe wrote:

saffer13 wrote:

Average Joe wrote:I enjoyed the first two tests and believe we will win this one. If the French has some guts they’ll make it tight but chances are being French they’ll just roll over. A word of caution for all those Springbok supporters beaming with positivity, the first French team was basically a second string team and although the second team was better on paper, those players only joined the team a week ago after playing a final at the end of a long and gruelling competition. They looked absolutely knackered to me. I’ll reserve my optimism till after we faced sterner opposition in the RC.

I think you're misjudging why we are positive. It's not just about beating a poor French team. The intent we are showing on the field, the game plan, etc. It is a major shift to what was on display last year...also against poor teams (Italy). We are all well aware that we have a long way to go but to suggest there hasn't been an improvement is naive.

No I noticed the improvement but I also noticed the many silly mistakes that the French failed to capitalise on. Any of the other NH teams won’t give us half a breath on mistakes like kicking out on the full or miss fielding a straight forward kick off not to even mention the All Blacks. If that happens playing the AB's you can bet your bottom dollar it will lead to try.

I think you might be overlooking a very simple fact “You’re only as good as your opposition allows you to be” and the French was kak, dare I say even kaker than last year’s Italy.

How far do you want us to win before you will be impressed?

Sards wrote:

houtkabouter wrote:Jesse Kriel is is the new Jorrie Muller.

He tackles like Brent Russel, looks awesome, always misses the important ones.

I can see why Sardy wants all these models though, it's quite cunning, he's hoping that they will keep his wife in the room so he can actually watch the game, instead of doing the ironing.

Sardy's list of priorities goes

>looks good
>has a beach body
>plays for the sharks
>has a semi conservative hairstyle possibly highlights(from the sun promise)
>likes to punch people in the head
>Appears in any stat anywhere
>any rugby stuff

I find it difficult to play insult / insult with you...I think you are a very decent bloke...so Ill pass.

BTW......Who missed the important one close to the tryline.......nooooooooo......it cant be..........

Mostert , along with the other 3 that he missed.....

But this wont be mentioned....no never.....its alright.....he tried his best...

Mostert has been brilliant you fool. Oh and the try you're referring to...the important missed tackle was actually in the build-up to that try.

Jesse was brilliant too Yankee. You forgot.

And like I said. It's ok for Mostert to miss the tackle on the scrumhalf for the try because he has been excellent and Yankee decided that Jesse's missed tackle was the important one not Mosterts so we should rather focus on criticising Jesse who missed the tackle on the halfway line. Yeah it's all Jesse's fault. What a twat he is. Mostert you biscuit

Toulon's Not Toulouse wrote:I'll call more steady progression by the french XV: 37-16.

Beat me to it. We can look fwd to a win against Tier 1 side in about 4 years then?

Sards wrote:Jesse was brilliant too Yankee. You forgot.

And like I said. It's ok for Mostert to miss the tackle on the scrumhalf for the try because he has been excellent so we should rather focus on criticising Jesse who missed the tackle on the halfway line. Yeah it's all Jesse's fault. What a twat he is. Mostert you biscuit

Kriel was average. Was in space numerous times, but could not make it count. He is still a very young player and I suspect not the brightest around, so maybe he just needs time. A lot of it.