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Striving for excellence, never satisfied as a principle, always critical, always, highly demanding of his players... this is why he's one of the very best ever.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/ ... gry-enough

"The biggest thing I have learnt on this tour is that to beat Argentina at the World Cup we are going to have to improve," Jones said. "To win at the World Cup, you need to be bullet-proof, and we're not bullet-proof at the moment.

"In various games they have edged us in certain departments. In the first half they had a set-piece advantage. We can't allow that to happen again. On Saturday we got out of it and the first game we got out of jail a bit. We are too close to Argentina. At the World Cup we need a gap."


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.


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Jones' role in the 2007 Springbok RWC victory is totally underplayed.

He is a bloody valuable, very astute coach with the ability to think on his feet.


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Jones' role in the 2007 Springbok RWC victory is totally underplayed.

He is a bloody valuable, very astute coach with the ability to think on his feet.


Anon believes that any time England aren't dominating the world, they're underperforming.

I do think Eddie's words here are a bit empty, though. Just showboating for the squad.


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.


The win ratio is the more impressive part of that. He's won one more match in the 6 nations than Lancaster did in any 2 years of his reign.


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

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Jones' role in the 2007 Springbok RWC victory is totally underplayed.

He is a bloody valuable, very astute coach with the ability to think on his feet.


Anon believes that any time England aren't dominating the world, they're underperforming.

I do think Eddie's words here are a bit empty, though. Just showboating for the squad.

We are not dominating the world now and we are not under performing. We had won 1 6N's championship in the 12 years leading to Jones getting the gig. Only Scotland and Italy had won it fewer times than us :lol:


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

:roll:

He was lucky to become England coach

He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job


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Unbelievably, it will be an Aussie who will leave English rugby with a lasting legacy. He has tapped into our talent pool with a skill glaringly absent in his predecessors


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Striving for excellence, never satisfied as a principle, always critical, always, highly demanding of his players... this is why he's one of the very best ever.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/ ... gry-enough

"The biggest thing I have learnt on this tour is that to beat Argentina at the World Cup we are going to have to improve," Jones said. "To win at the World Cup, you need to be bullet-proof, and we're not bullet-proof at the moment.

"In various games they have edged us in certain departments. In the first half they had a set-piece advantage. We can't allow that to happen again. On Saturday we got out of it and the first game we got out of jail a bit. We are too close to Argentina. At the World Cup we need a gap."


This is a bit ott tbh.

Love all this motivation stuff, but there's times where you just need to say, "well dome guys. Youve done bloody well."


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

He was lucky to become England coach

He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job

What is the point in repeating what you already said? :|

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That doesn't guarantee they'll actually be any good in the position e.g. Jake White?. The RFU lucked out imo.


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The win ratio is the more impressive part of that. He's won one more match in the 6 nations than Lancaster did in any 2 years of his reign.

Personally I think actually getting over the hump for a Grand Slam at his first attempt that no other coach could manage for 13 years since Woodward is fairly impressive but sure, factoring in the undefeated Australian tour, the undefeated understrength Argentinian tour and clean sweep of the AIs the win percentage could be argued as even more impressive.

Without counting chickens I expect England to win all three tests in the AIs. The Six Nations fixtures next year on the other hand will be a huge challenge.


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armchair pundit wrote:
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Striving for excellence, never satisfied as a principle, always critical, always, highly demanding of his players... this is why he's one of the very best ever.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/ ... gry-enough

"The biggest thing I have learnt on this tour is that to beat Argentina at the World Cup we are going to have to improve," Jones said. "To win at the World Cup, you need to be bullet-proof, and we're not bullet-proof at the moment.

"In various games they have edged us in certain departments. In the first half they had a set-piece advantage. We can't allow that to happen again. On Saturday we got out of it and the first game we got out of jail a bit. We are too close to Argentina. At the World Cup we need a gap."


This is a bit ott tbh.

Love all this motivation stuff, but there's times where you just need to say, "well dome guys. Youve done bloody well."

I think he is right to put the wind up them. I would have thought the main reason he took so many young players who were probably never going to get a game is he wanted to get in their heads. The likes of Joe Cockansiga could really be huge stars for England going forward but at the moment he just doesn't seem to have that bit of mongrel in him.


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The win ratio is the more impressive part of that. He's won one more match in the 6 nations than Lancaster did in any 2 years of his reign.

Personally I think actually getting over the hump for a Grand Slam at his first attempt that no other coach could manage for 13 years since Woodward is fairly impressive but sure, factoring in the undefeated Australian tour, the undefeated understrength Argentinian tour and clean sweep of the AIs the win percentage could be argued as even more impressive.

Without counting chickens I expect England to win all three tests in the AIs. The Six Nations fixtures next year on the other hand will be a huge challenge.

Next year is The Gram Slam - the easy way. So I'm hopeful we can at least win the championship.


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

He was lucky to become England coach

He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job

What is the point in repeating what you already said? :|


You really do think I just meant he was lucky to become England coach. JESUS FARKING H CHRIST


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This is a bit ott tbh.

Love all this motivation stuff, but there's times where you just need to say, "well dome guys. Youve done bloody well."

Nope. There isn't. Eddie Jones isn't being cute. He's being real. England didn't exactly smash Argentina in both tests by 50 points each. They did rather well than poorly, but they were far from playing the perfect match. And he doesn't take anything for an excuse, he knows as well as anyone he didn't have all his best players, but he's still looking to improve with what he's got.

It's not "over-the-top" at all. In fact, it's the only way to go in competition. You're never, ever satisfied, and you're never ever the best. You stay humble, you stfu, forget about the excuses and you work work work, and you don't complain, and you just keep going. That's just...what you do. It's what you're paid to do, as your job, your vocation. Professional Rugby players... professional Rugby coaches.
And Eddie Jones is one of the very very best over the past decade at it.


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armchair pundit wrote:
This is a bit ott tbh.

Love all this motivation stuff, but there's times where you just need to say, "well dome guys. Youve done bloody well."

Nope. There isn't. Eddie Jones isn't being cute. He's being real. England didn't exactly smash Argentina in both tests by 50 points each. They did rather well than poorly, but they were far from playing the perfect match. And he doesn't take anything for an excuse, he knows as well as anyone he didn't have all his best players, but he's still looking to improve with what he's got.

It's not "over-the-top" at all. In fact, it's the only way to go in competition. You're never, ever satisfied, and you're never ever the best. You stay humble, you stfu, forget about the excuses and you work work work, and you don't complain, and you just keep going. That's just...what you do. It's what you're paid to do, as your job, your vocation. Professional Rugby players... professional Rugby coaches.
And Eddie Jones is one of the very very best over the past decade at it.


I'm not saying he isn't.

Everyone who performs well deserves a pat onnthe back niw and again. It doesn't mean, that's it, you can stop now. It means, you're doing great, well done. Now keep it going.

Different people respond in different ways, but if you go on for ever bustig your balls and gettig great results, there comes a point where you actually lose motivation if your efforts arent given at least a token recognition.

Personally, after getting that great result, id be a bit f**ked off with that reaction.


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You really do think I just meant he was lucky to become England coach. JESUS FARKING H CHRIST

:) I see what your reply meant now. Yes I agree, it makes him look good immediately following on from Lancaster's lows.


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I'm not saying he isn't.

Everyone who performs well deserves a pat onnthe back niw and again. It doesn't mean, that's it, you can stop now. It means, you're doing great, well done. Now keep it going.

Different people respond in different ways, but if you go on for ever bustig your balls and gettig great results, there comes a point where you actually lose motivation if your efforts arent given at least a token recognition.

Personally, after getting that great result, id be a bit f**ked off with that reaction.

I think that's just his way, he is constantly guarding against complacency. He has said he sees it as his role to make the players uncomfortable so that they don't relax and to be fair they have responded to it so far.


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Launchbury looks hungry enough. In fact he has the look of a man on a constant quest for pie.


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

He was lucky to become England coach

He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job

What is the point in repeating what you already said? :|


You really do think I just meant he was lucky to become England coach. JESUS FARKING H CHRIST


It's a bit of both. It was a very good time to become the England coach. Low expectations but lots of talent around. Lancaster had to rip up an old team and start again. He built a team of young guys as they were the best players in the country. A fair bit of that was to do with the youth pathways Lancaster himself had put in place. They were always going to improve with experience. It was a question of how much and how soon could the new guy turn it around.

EJ has done exceptionally though. Better than could be expected. But had he been operating at the same level but got the job any time previously the results would be worse.


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I'm not saying he isn't.

Everyone who performs well deserves a pat onnthe back niw and again. It doesn't mean, that's it, you can stop now. It means, you're doing great, well done. Now keep it going.

Different people respond in different ways, but if you go on for ever bustig your balls and gettig great results, there comes a point where you actually lose motivation if your efforts arent given at least a token recognition.

Personally, after getting that great result, id be a bit f**ked off with that reaction.

I think that's just his way, he is constantly guarding against complacency. He has said he sees it as his role to make the players uncomfortable so that they don't relax and to be fair they have responded to it so far.


Agreed.

Its about creating a culture of high expectations where even in victory you don't rest on your laurels because you are always looking for ways to improve.


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armchair pundit wrote:
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This is a bit ott tbh.

Love all this motivation stuff, but there's times where you just need to say, "well dome guys. Youve done bloody well."

Nope. There isn't. Eddie Jones isn't being cute. He's being real. England didn't exactly smash Argentina in both tests by 50 points each. They did rather well than poorly, but they were far from playing the perfect match. And he doesn't take anything for an excuse, he knows as well as anyone he didn't have all his best players, but he's still looking to improve with what he's got.

It's not "over-the-top" at all. In fact, it's the only way to go in competition. You're never, ever satisfied, and you're never ever the best. You stay humble, you stfu, forget about the excuses and you work work work, and you don't complain, and you just keep going. That's just...what you do. It's what you're paid to do, as your job, your vocation. Professional Rugby players... professional Rugby coaches.
And Eddie Jones is one of the very very best over the past decade at it.


I'm not saying he isn't.

Everyone who performs well deserves a pat onnthe back niw and again. It doesn't mean, that's it, you can stop now. It means, you're doing great, well done. Now keep it going.

Different people respond in different ways, but if you go on for ever bustig your balls and gettig great results, there comes a point where you actually lose motivation if your efforts arent given at least a token recognition.

Personally, after getting that great result, id be a bit f**ked off with that reaction.


I might too...dunno ! But that's why you and I aren't Eddie Jones, or top competitors. The top competitors in sports are all assholes. I can only talk Rugby or basketball, and Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan are notorious assholes from vaaaarious accounts, the kind that'll fukk with you as your teammate and shatter you psychologically in training if you're not getting your A game out. You wanna be the best, gotta be obsessed. "Nice" or "had too much" and what not...that shit doesn't cut it.

Now obviously Eddie Jones and England have some breathing space. They're not plugged in 24/7. But, well, Rugby is on their minds a lot, as it should be.

I actually like England now, because they're doing it right :thumbup: they're structured, they're consistent, they're winning. They're not far from their max potential, and that's all you want from your team.


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

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No you cant. If someone is next in line for the AB job they will take that instead.


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Dork Lard wrote:
armchair pundit wrote:
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This is a bit ott tbh.

Love all this motivation stuff, but there's times where you just need to say, "well dome guys. Youve done bloody well."

Nope. There isn't. Eddie Jones isn't being cute. He's being real. England didn't exactly smash Argentina in both tests by 50 points each. They did rather well than poorly, but they were far from playing the perfect match. And he doesn't take anything for an excuse, he knows as well as anyone he didn't have all his best players, but he's still looking to improve with what he's got.

It's not "over-the-top" at all. In fact, it's the only way to go in competition. You're never, ever satisfied, and you're never ever the best. You stay humble, you stfu, forget about the excuses and you work work work, and you don't complain, and you just keep going. That's just...what you do. It's what you're paid to do, as your job, your vocation. Professional Rugby players... professional Rugby coaches.
And Eddie Jones is one of the very very best over the past decade at it.


I'm not saying he isn't.

Everyone who performs well deserves a pat onnthe back niw and again. It doesn't mean, that's it, you can stop now. It means, you're doing great, well done. Now keep it going.

Different people respond in different ways, but if you go on for ever bustig your balls and gettig great results, there comes a point where you actually lose motivation if your efforts arent given at least a token recognition.

Personally, after getting that great result, id be a bit f**ked off with that reaction.


I might too...dunno ! But that's why you and I aren't Eddie Jones, or top competitors. The top competitors in sports are all assholes. I can only talk Rugby or basketball, and Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan are notorious assholes from vaaaarious accounts, the kind that'll fukk with you as your teammate and shatter you psychologically in training if you're not getting your A game out. You wanna be the best, gotta be obsessed. "Nice" or "had too much" and what not...that shit doesn't cut it.

Now obviously Eddie Jones and England have some breathing space. They're not plugged in 24/7. But, well, Rugby is on their minds a lot, as it should be.

I actually like England now, because they're doing it right :thumbup: they're structured, they're consistent, they're winning. They're not far from their max potential, and that's all you want from your team.


Fair enough,

I think you've opened my eyes a bit actually.

I guess it's a culture that has an addiction to improvement, and an addiction to a search for improvement, so I guess in that environment he's saying what the players want to hear.

In a but of a sadistic way I suppose he might be rewarding them with some more verbal punishment.

These guys are basically a bunch of sickos arent they ?


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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

we can more or less get anyone we want ££££££££££££££££££££££



No you cant. If someone is next in line for the AB job they will take that instead.


Kewees have turned the precious up to 11 recently haven't they...


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It's a bit of both. It was a very good time to become the England coach. Low expectations but lots of talent around. Lancaster had to rip up an old team and start again. He built a team of young guys as they were the best players in the country. A fair bit of that was to do with the youth pathways Lancaster himself had put in place. They were always going to improve with experience. It was a question of how much and how soon could the new guy turn it around.

EJ has done exceptionally though. Better than could be expected. But had he been operating at the same level but got the job any time previously the results would be worse.

We have lost one game since he took over so it's hard to make a case for results being as good or better had he taken over earlier. I to think little things like wasting all that time on Sam Burgess would not have been done. He might have encouraged an English club to sign his England qualified rugby league centre teammate instead of the rugby league forward who I still can't believe anyone thought he was going to be a star centre in rugby union.


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polyallstar wrote:
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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

we can more or less get anyone we want ££££££££££££££££££££££



No you cant. If someone is next in line for the AB job they will take that instead.


Kewees have turned the precious up to 11 recently haven't they...



No. You are the precious one. I was just stating an opinion but cause it was right you got jealous of nzs rugby superiority so you had to invent something to bellittle me.


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I might too...dunno ! But that's why you and I aren't Eddie Jones, or top competitors. The top competitors in sports are all assholes. I can only talk Rugby or basketball, and Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan are notorious assholes from vaaaarious accounts, the kind that'll fukk with you as your teammate and shatter you psychologically in training if you're not getting your A game out. You wanna be the best, gotta be obsessed. "Nice" or "had too much" and what not...that shit doesn't cut it.

There's a lot of truth in this.

I suspect the psychopath quotient in professional sport is way above average.


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polyallstar wrote:
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I don't think his record shows he is one of the best ever. He was lucky to become England coach after some seriously under qualified people had botched the job. It also coincided with South Africa and Australia being pretty poor. Having said that I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far and he has taken the seriously under performing England team and got them playing to a decent level. It's now he has to prove his worth and get them to the next level.

I'd say it's the other way around. England were lucky to get Jones as coach, just as Japan were lucky prior to that. I highly doubt many other coaches would have been able to take a team dumped out of its own WC at home and perennial 6N underachievers to a 95% win ratio and back to back 6N success in rapid time.

we can more or less get anyone we want ££££££££££££££££££££££



No you cant. If someone is next in line for the AB job they will take that instead.


Kewees have turned the precious up to 11 recently haven't they...



I think most people who were a shoe in (that must be rare) for their national job would take that instead


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Absolute rubbish dork lard comparing with nba. Daniel carter, jonah lomu, ma'a nonu. 3 of the best players in pro era. Not assholes . Nice guys are better at most sports from what ive seen. Assholes fall off


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It's a bit of both. It was a very good time to become the England coach. Low expectations but lots of talent around. Lancaster had to rip up an old team and start again. He built a team of young guys as they were the best players in the country. A fair bit of that was to do with the youth pathways Lancaster himself had put in place. They were always going to improve with experience. It was a question of how much and how soon could the new guy turn it around.

EJ has done exceptionally though. Better than could be expected. But had he been operating at the same level but got the job any time previously the results would be worse.

We have lost one game since he took over so it's hard to make a case for results being as good or better had he taken over earlier. I to think little things like wasting all that time on Sam Burgess would not have been done. He might have encouraged an English club to sign his England qualified rugby league centre teammate instead of the rugby league forward who I still can't believe anyone thought he was going to be a star centre in rugby union.


Agree with all that. But Lancaster shitting the bed at the end was great news for any prospective England coach. The Burgess affair. Dropping Ford for a pre-RWC kicking meltdown. Not picking Hartley because "culture" etc. He had a team that was had beaten Wales and Aus a few teams each and made it unnecessarily worse.

Not only did Jones inherit a squad better than the expectation placed upon it, but I'm not convinced SL would have been sacked had they held on v Wales and lost to Australia and the Boks in close matches. The RFU is a risk adverse organisation.

To that extent EJ was lucky.


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Ouch_I'M_Ill wrote:
polyallstar wrote:
Ouch_I'M_Ill wrote:
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we can more or less get anyone we want ££££££££££££££££££££££



No you cant. If someone is next in line for the AB job they will take that instead.


Kewees have turned the precious up to 11 recently haven't they...



No. You are the precious one. I was just stating an opinion but cause it was right you got jealous of nzs rugby superiority so you had to invent something to bellittle me.


Let's clarify shall we;

Original point is RFU have enough money to hire "more or less anyone we want"
You point out that of the 6 billion people in the world there is one hypothetical individual inline for the ABs job who would turn it down

more or less anyone = all but one of the worlds population

Everything else further highlights your preciousness, go do a Haka and think about it...


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Absolute rubbish dork lard comparing with nba. Daniel carter, jonah lomu, ma'a nonu. 3 of the best players in pro era. Not assholes . Nice guys are better at most sports from what ive seen. Assholes fall off


I wonder if guys like that would be so nice if they were competing for 60 million dollar contracts. Money can do strange things to people.


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Eddie is spot on.

Last season's 6 Nations- we were gash and could've easily lost 4 from 5.

The BR is totally unbalanced. The performances v F, W, It and Ir were not good enough.

Mike Brearley always said that not trying to improve a winning side was the biggest downfall of British sport.


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Eddie is spot on.

Last season's 6 Nations- we were gash and could've easily lost 4 from 5.

The BR is totally unbalanced. The performances v F, W, It and Ir were not good enough.

Mike Brearley always said that not trying to improve a winning side was the biggest downfall of British sport.


? Which 4 do you think we could have easily lost?


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Eddie is spot on.

Last season's 6 Nations- we were gash and could've easily lost 4 from 5.

The BR is totally unbalanced. The performances v F, W, It and Ir were not good enough.

Mike Brearley always said that not trying to improve a winning side was the biggest downfall of British sport.


? Which 4 do you think we could have easily lost?


As above:

The only performance of note was v Scotland. (so 3, as Ire actually did beat us).

But Wales and France were both better than us on the day, IMO.

Italy maybe not but it was an embarrassment of thinking.


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Jake wrote:
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Eddie is spot on.

Last season's 6 Nations- we were gash and could've easily lost 4 from 5.

The BR is totally unbalanced. The performances v F, W, It and Ir were not good enough.

Mike Brearley always said that not trying to improve a winning side was the biggest downfall of British sport.


? Which 4 do you think we could have easily lost?


As above:

The only performance of note was v Scotland. (so 3, as Ire actually did beat us).

But Wales and France were both better than us on the day, IMO.

Italy maybe not but it was an embarrassment of thinking.


So not Italy, and not Scotland. We weren't great admittedly, but let's not go over the top. And it was an already changed side in that 6N due to injuries to rather key players, so not really a case of sticking with what we already know can win, more that we lost a lot of those winners, and ended up with something not as good.


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Jake wrote:
Raggs wrote:
Jake wrote:
Eddie is spot on.

Last season's 6 Nations- we were gash and could've easily lost 4 from 5.

The BR is totally unbalanced. The performances v F, W, It and Ir were not good enough.

Mike Brearley always said that not trying to improve a winning side was the biggest downfall of British sport.


? Which 4 do you think we could have easily lost?


As above:

The only performance of note was v Scotland. (so 3, as Ire actually did beat us).

But Wales and France were both better than us on the day, IMO.

Italy maybe not but it was an embarrassment of thinking.

England clearly were not good enough in the 6N's but France and Wales didn't suffer defeats from poor refereeing decisions. They lost because England were better. If Wales or France play to that standard against England then England have to aspire to beat them buy 15 points or more.


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