Re: The harangued into apologising thread
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:40 pm
now this thread has moved onto Manbags, this thread needs some input from Slick
That's probably better than me posting a sympathy piece about Harvey Weinstein being harangued into apologising.backrow wrote:now this thread has moved onto Manbags, this thread needs some input from Slick
can you actually apologise for Rape ?fatcat wrote:That's probably better than me posting a sympathy piece about Harvey Weinstein being harangued into apologising.backrow wrote:now this thread has moved onto Manbags, this thread needs some input from Slick
Sorry.Average Joe wrote:You should apologise for starting this shit thread.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... fDA7IZryOqIt was a harrowing moment. At a Momentum event during the Labour Party conference last month, the spectre of misogyny reared its head. Spectres, as we all know, are especially fond of rearing their heads. And misogynistic spectres are the most head-rearing of the lot.
During a light-hearted ‘game show’, a volunteer from the audience was asked to keep score, and to prevent him from obstructing the audience’s view was asked to kneel down. It was at this point that Labour MP Clive Lewis took the opportunity to demean the young man by uttering the phrase ‘get on your knees, bitch’.
The victim appeared to laugh. The audience laughed too. It’s as though everyone present was under the impression that Lewis’s words were no more than a joke, and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Thankfully, numerous politicians who were not actually in attendance have since been able to pass judgement on Lewis without having their interpretation muddied by ‘context’.
‘In what way did Clive Lewis think this was appropriate?’, mused Conservative director of communications Carrie Symonds. Lewis used ‘violent sexual language’ claimed Labour’s Stella Creasy, and was guilty of ‘normalising violence’. ‘Inexplicable. Inexcusable. Dismayed’, tweeted Harriet Harman, so distraught that she was unable even to compose full sentences.
Meanwhile, equalities minister Justine Greening wrote a stern letter to Jeremy Corbyn demanding that he ‘condemn the sexist language of Clive Lewis’ and once and for all ‘tackle misogyny in the Labour Party’. Rebecca Hilsenrath, chief executive of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, called for ‘firm, robust and prompt action on the part of the Labour Party to make clear that there is no place for misogyny in the party’. The Guardian also described Lewis’s words as ‘misogynist’. That his comment was made in jest, and the fact that no women were actually involved in the exchange, has not prevented critics from reaching the only possible conclusion: Lewis clearly hates women.
The shockwaves didn’t end there. Yvette Cooper said there can be ‘no excuse for saying this, whatever context’. Anna Soubry dismissed claims that Lewis’s remark was merely ‘campy humour’ as ‘leftist twaddle’. Mims Davies railed against Lewis’s ‘astoundingly inappropriate language’ and suggested that he be reprogrammed – sorry, retrained – by none other than Jess Phillips, a Labour MP often mistaken for a socialist due to her Brummie accent. For her part, Phillips claimed to be ‘obviously’ appalled, which is even worse than being covertly appalled.
With crass insensitivity, political commentator Aaron Bastani then had the audacity to point out what actually happened, as if the fact of him being present at the event made him any more qualified to discuss it. Bastani is co-founder of Novara Media, and a renowned male, so it was perhaps inevitable that both Creasy and Phillips would retort with accusations of ‘mansplaining’. When Bastani’s female colleague Ash Sarkar gave a similar account, Creasy and Phillips were curiously silent. Can’t think why.
Equally mysterious was why the source of all these complaints was a video posted by conservative blogger Paul Staines, otherwise known as Guido Fawkes. A cynic might conclude that all these Conservatives and Labour centrists had some shared vested interest in attacking Corbynistas like Lewis. A cynic might likewise suspect that by taking Lewis’s joke at face value, these critics are adopting the now commonplace strategy of undermining an opponent’s PC credentials through what is effectively a weaponised form of identity politics. I’m no cynic, so for me this is all purely a matter of coincidence.
Back to the Twitterstorm, which continued to rage in unexpected directions. Journalist and broadcaster Julia Hartley-Brewer, who wasn’t offended by Lewis’s quip, did declare herself to be ‘annoyed’ that Ash Sarkar (who had been hosting the event) can be heard on the Guido Fawkes video saying ‘this is supposed to be a safe space’. Sarkar, you see, had made the mistake of responding to Lewis’s joke with another joke. She should have known better. In this new enlightened era jokes are to be treated as literal statements. To put it another way, jokes no longer exist.
In all this confusion, it’s too easy to forget about the victim: the volunteer from the audience, an actor called Sam Swann, who from henceforth and forevermore will doubtless be known as ‘Clive Lewis’s bitch’. What did he have to say about the horror that he had endured? ‘It was clearly jovial and nothing vicious’, said Swann. ‘The whole event was so brilliant for seeing MPs letting their hair down and f**king around with people who support them. I think Clive Lewis is an absolute legend.’ Clearly, the young man was too traumatised to appreciate the full extent of his ordeal.
Lewis has since issued the obligatory mea culpa. ‘I apologise unreservedly for the language I used at an event in Brighton last month’, he tweeted. ‘It was offensive and unacceptable.’ This appears to have resolved the matter, for as all good comedians know, the very best jokes are invariably followed by statements of repentance.
So what lessons are we to learn from this unpleasant debacle? An event took place in which a joke was made and literally nobody present was offended. So what? It now seems we have every right to feel offended on other people’s behalf, particularly when there is political capital to be accrued. And if you think this is all a lot of fuss about nothing, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.
Not really harangued though. Worn down by the bleedin' obvious over a long period of time.c69 wrote:May today apologised for Hunts mismanagement of the NHS.
Yet they were both told time and time again this crisis would occur.
Weak and wobbly and utterly useless
Is Toby Young the guy who organised his own bachelor party and nobody showed up?fatcat wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42552884
I don't know. He looks like he may have been a woman up until 5 or 6 years ago.bessantj wrote:Is Toby Young the guy who organised his own bachelor party and nobody showed up?fatcat wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42552884
I got it a bit wrong almost no one showed up and the guy who organised it was one of the ones who didn't show up, so Toby doesn't believe in friendship anymore.fatcat wrote:I don't know. He looks like he may have been a woman up until 5 or 6 years ago.bessantj wrote:Is Toby Young the guy who organised his own bachelor party and nobody showed up?fatcat wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42552884
Serena Williams has called for American tennis player Tennys Sandgren to apologise for his controversial tweets.
The world number 97 deleted 18 months' worth of tweets after being questioned about his beliefs and denied he was a far-right sympathiser.
Following his Australian Open quarter-final on Wednesday, he accused the media of "demonising" and "propaganda".
"There is an entire group of people that deserves an apology," said Williams in a tweet to Sandgren.
The 23-time Grand Slam winner added: "I can't look at my daughter and tell her I sat back and was quiet. No! she will know how to stand up for herself and others - through my example."
The tweet was accompanied by a fist emoji and a quote about apologising.
Earlier on Wednesday, the former world number one had tweeted "turns channel" in an apparent swipe at Sandgren, during his defeat by South Korea's Chung Hyeon.
Serena Williams
Sandgren, who said the media "dehumanise with pen and paper", was first asked about his social media presence following his fourth-round match on Monday, and denied supporting the US 'alt-right' movement, saying he merely found "some of the content interesting".
Despite insisting that whom he chose to follow on social media did not represent his views, Sandgren then deleted all but one of his Twitter postings.
Addressing a news conference following his match in Melbourne on Wednesday, he read a statement and then refused to take further questions on the subject.
Who the hell is Ida?Seneca of the Night wrote:Makes for interesting reading this:
https://twitter.com/search?q=Tennys%20Sandgren&src=typd
What an age we live in. It's not going to end well.
Brazil and crash666 take pizzagate very seriously indeedMargin_Walker wrote:Anyone thick enough to take pizzagate seriously deserves all the haranguing coming their way.
So he's a fan of a pedo? Probably should apologise for that.fatcat wrote:SO far the worst I can find is that he fell for Pizzagate and he mourned Milo's Twitter ban. What a despicable chap.
A pedo victim I think you mean.bessantj wrote:So he's a fan of a pedo? Probably should apologise for that.fatcat wrote:SO far the worst I can find is that he fell for Pizzagate and he mourned Milo's Twitter ban. What a despicable chap.
And then went on to advocate child abuse.fatcat wrote:A pedo victim I think you mean.bessantj wrote:So he's a fan of a pedo? Probably should apologise for that.fatcat wrote:SO far the worst I can find is that he fell for Pizzagate and he mourned Milo's Twitter ban. What a despicable chap.
Yeah sure.bessantj wrote:And then went on to advocate child abuse.fatcat wrote:A pedo victim I think you mean.bessantj wrote:So he's a fan of a pedo? Probably should apologise for that.fatcat wrote:SO far the worst I can find is that he fell for Pizzagate and he mourned Milo's Twitter ban. What a despicable chap.
Yeah, I'm sure it's difficult to find out your personal hero is for child abuse.fatcat wrote:Yeah sure.bessantj wrote:And then went on to advocate child abuse.fatcat wrote:A pedo victim I think you mean.bessantj wrote:So he's a fan of a pedo? Probably should apologise for that.fatcat wrote:SO far the worst I can find is that he fell for Pizzagate and he mourned Milo's Twitter ban. What a despicable chap.
Wrong?fatcat wrote:My hero? Why do you say that, because I'm pointing out that you're wrong?
Are you haranguing me into apologising for a typo??Seneca of the Night wrote:666 is their satanic youngest brother?happyhooker wrote:Brazil and crash666 take pizzagate very seriously indeedMargin_Walker wrote:Anyone thick enough to take pizzagate seriously deserves all the haranguing coming their way.
Well I suppose you could be trolling, though it would be a fairly pointless troll.bessantj wrote:Wrong?fatcat wrote:My hero? Why do you say that, because I'm pointing out that you're wrong?
Wonder if she would have complained if the station notice mentioned the Battle of Isandlwana instead?Man In Black wrote:Juggernaut of righteousness Lily Allen is at it again, this time taking aim at TFL.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... ailsignout
also, I don't think the Zulus were originally from that area anyways, so they had colonised & taken over that area themselves. am sure some saffa or history buff can explain further.danny_fitz wrote:Wonder if she would have complained if the station notice mentioned the Battle of Isandlwana instead?Man In Black wrote:Juggernaut of righteousness Lily Allen is at it again, this time taking aim at TFL.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... ailsignout
Yes. The Zulus were just as much invaders into the Cape as the Brits and Boers. But all darkies look the same to the screaming apologists so they won't notice.backrow wrote:also, I don't think the Zulus were originally from that area anyways, so they had colonised & taken over that area themselves. am sure some saffa or history buff can explain further.danny_fitz wrote:Wonder if she would have complained if the station notice mentioned the Battle of Isandlwana instead?Man In Black wrote:Juggernaut of righteousness Lily Allen is at it again, this time taking aim at TFL.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... ailsignout
oh, and Lilly Allen is a Cnutflap
Ditto. Who TF is Lily Allen?'I have no idea who "Lily Allen" is but clearly she's an ill-informed virtue-signaller
Whatever you use, you’ll get a cyclers willy-bum area at first then get used to it and the problem disappears. £10 padded shorts work just as well as £200 ones, but quite often I wear neither and am fine after the getting used to it period. If I haven’t cycled for a few weeks in the winter then I will often wear a cheap pair under my regular attire for the first ride just to ease the willy-bum area back in.Denirostaxidriver wrote:I dread to think what a normal pair of shorts would do to you after even a 40km ride.JM2K6 wrote:I tried a normal pair of sports shorts for cycling and very very quickly moved on to lycra. It's not a fashion statement.croyals wrote:I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.
some black chap was on LBC this morning and had a real go about 'evil colonialism and killing the Zulus in their own country'Torquemada 1420 wrote:Yes. The Zulus were just as much invaders into the Cape as the Brits and Boers. But all darkies look the same to the screaming apologists so they won't notice.backrow wrote:also, I don't think the Zulus were originally from that area anyways, so they had colonised & taken over that area themselves. am sure some saffa or history buff can explain further.danny_fitz wrote:Wonder if she would have complained if the station notice mentioned the Battle of Isandlwana instead?Man In Black wrote:Juggernaut of righteousness Lily Allen is at it again, this time taking aim at TFL.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... ailsignout
oh, and Lilly Allen is a Cnutflap
Ditto. Who TF is Lily Allen?'I have no idea who "Lily Allen" is but clearly she's an ill-informed virtue-signaller
More Echo's expertise but the tip was San and Khoikhoi until the invasion of Bantu speakers of which the Zulus were probably the most aggressive. The original SA peoples were forced into the margins. It remains a bitter irony today that they remain as sh*ttily treated as they were under the Bantu invaders, to be replaced by subjugation from Brits and Boers only then to be thrown back to the Bantus.backrow wrote:some black chap was on LBC this morning and had a real go about 'evil colonialism and killing the Zulus in their own country'Torquemada 1420 wrote: Yes. The Zulus were just as much invaders into the Cape as the Brits and Boers. But all darkies look the same to the screaming apologists so they won't notice.
Ditto. Who TF is Lily Allen?'I have no idea who "Lily Allen" is but clearly she's an ill-informed virtue-signaller
I was like WTF, Zulus were invaders themselves, the real worst thing about colonialism is that there are under educated misinformed thick twats like you phoning in to whinge about everything
Torquemada 1420 wrote:More Echo's expertise but the tip was San and Khoikhoi until the invasion of Bantu speakers of which the Zulus were probably the most aggressive. The original SA peoples were forced into the margins. It remains a bitter irony today that they remain as sh*ttily treated as they were under the Bantu invaders, to be replaced by subjugation from Brits and Boers only then to be thrown back to the Bantus.backrow wrote:some black chap was on LBC this morning and had a real go about 'evil colonialism and killing the Zulus in their own country'Torquemada 1420 wrote: Yes. The Zulus were just as much invaders into the Cape as the Brits and Boers. But all darkies look the same to the screaming apologists so they won't notice.
Ditto. Who TF is Lily Allen?'I have no idea who "Lily Allen" is but clearly she's an ill-informed virtue-signaller
I was like WTF, Zulus were invaders themselves, the real worst thing about colonialism is that there are under educated misinformed thick twats like you phoning in to whinge about everything
Yeah catch some of those fat freaks in skin tights and it's something you can't forget, am also rocking shorts and baggy tee.Mullet 2 wrote:On the rare occasions I take to a bike I wear a pair of rugby shorts and an old jersey
Making it clear that I am in fact a fat rugby player and not a fat cyclist.