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Author:  fatcat [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:00 pm ]
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Chris Hoy is the latest.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41092831

Quote:
Cyclist Sir Chris Hoy has apologised for saying Lycra looked "awful" on anyone weighing more than 8st (49kg).

The six-time Olympic gold medallist took to Twitter to say he was "really sorry" for the comment, which he described as "tongue-in-cheek"

It followed a GQ article in which he said amateur cyclists did not have to pull on a pair of tight-fitting shorts to look good.

That led to criticism that he was "body shaming" larger cyclists.

In his article, Sir Chris said Lycra was not the most elegant material and that professional cycling gear generally looked bad on anyone heavier than 8st.
'14+stone Mamil'

He also said the desire of so-called "mamils" - middle-aged men in Lycra - to be seen in the latest high-performance Team Sky cycling kit all too often led to ridiculous results.

"Personally, I feel sorry for mamils," he wrote. "When they walk into a cafe dressed head-to-toe in Lycra, you always spot people sniggering at them."

However, in an apparent change of heart, Sir Chris said: "As a 14+stone MAMIL myself, this was a tongue-in-cheek article that wasn't meant to offend.

"I'm really sorry; reading it back it looks harsh & that wasn't my intention. Whatever ur age/build, if ur on a bike u have my respect."

Author:  Duff Paddy [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:04 pm ]
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The mamil market is highly lucrative. These eejits think nothing of spending €200+ on a pair of castelli cycling shorts. It is bonkers. A sport designed to part middle class men from their disposable income.

Author:  theo [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:07 pm ]
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Duff Paddy wrote:
The mamil market is highly lucrative. These eejits think nothing of spending €200+ on a pair of castelli cycling shorts. It is bonkers. A sport designed to part middle class men from their disposable income.


Taking over from golf.

It is daft. The cost of the clothing is just bonkers.

With regards to Chris Hoy - he has nothing to apologise for.

Author:  Mullet 2 [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:07 pm ]
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On the rare occasions I take to a bike I wear a pair of rugby shorts and an old jersey

Making it clear that I am in fact a fat rugby player and not a fat cyclist.

Author:  SamShark [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:09 pm ]
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Up north where I'm from originally you'd ordinarily use your car to show how sucessful you are.

A few of my mates now seem to want to spend £3k on a bike to ride round the park.

Author:  Shrekles [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:10 pm ]
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Why should he have to apologise for being right? I would like to point out that every male looks f**king ridiculous in lycra. Wake up to yourselves you tossers.

Author:  Gospel [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:12 pm ]
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Who gives a fudge what someone else is wearing when they're riding a bike? You lot sound like a bunch of old women down the hair salon.

I live out in the sticks down a single lane road slap bang in the middle of a popular cycling route and I just think 'fair-play big lad' when some lycra clad lard arse is grinding his big-ring to try and keep up with the sexy young things in front. If spending £200 on ill-fitting shorts is the excuse people need to do strenuous exercise then it's a good thing IMO.

Author:  danny_fitz [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:16 pm ]
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Duff Paddy wrote:
The mamil market is highly lucrative. These eejits think nothing of spending €200+ on a pair of castelli cycling shorts. It is bonkers. A sport designed to part middle class men from their disposable income.


I have just come back from a few weeks in the south of France and cycling is huge down there. Interestingly it does not seem to be mostly middle aged men on expensive bikes but retired 60 somethings in lycra on very expensive bikes. In fairness, there was nothing flabby about these blokes, apart from looking a bit leathery they all looked stupendously fit.

Author:  croyals [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:16 pm ]
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I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.

Author:  Lenny [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:20 pm ]
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SamShark wrote:
Up north where I'm from originally you'd ordinarily use your car to show how sucessful you are.

A few of my mates now seem to want to spend £3k on a bike to ride round the park.


Yeah, every one of them seems to believe that splashing huge sums of money on a carbon framed bike is going to make feel less fcuked going up a hill. :lol:

I have a friend who has been a dedicated cyclist for years (he loves food and therefore cycles in order to be able to indulge his gluttony), but always cycles on his own, with a light weight high vis jacket being his only concession to cycling gear, and refuses to have anything to do with the gangs who clog up the roads. He did spend €4k on his bike though, but balanced this by spending €2k on a Weber bbq.

Author:  fatcat [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:24 pm ]
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Shrekles wrote:
Why should he have to apologise for being right? I would like to point out that every male looks f**king ridiculous in lycra. Wake up to yourselves you tossers.


Because people like to be outraged. People are always trying to see how they can become a victim, or to look out for people that they think may be being victimised. These people are usually very active on social media.

Author:  ovalball [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:26 pm ]
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croyals wrote:
I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.


Quite.

TBH - even slim, fit, male cyclists look ridiculous in Lycra. Big fat ones just look a whole lot worse.

Hoy shouldn't have apologised.

Author:  MungoMan [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:29 pm ]
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croyals wrote:
I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.

Fark. Me. Dead.

I've got two pair of lycra shorts mouldering away in a bottom drawer somewhere. One of the padded crotch cycling syle, the other unpadded and used with a longsleeved rashie when kayaking in cooler weather.

Both cost 3/5 of SFA.

Then again, Strayan lycra come from petrochemical shite whereas NH lyrcra is clearly handspun from the cocoons of the endangered merovingian moon moth.

Author:  guy smiley [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:43 pm ]
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fatcat wrote:
Shrekles wrote:
Why should he have to apologise for being right? I would like to point out that every male looks f**king ridiculous in lycra. Wake up to yourselves you tossers.


Because people like to be outraged. People are always trying to see how they can become a victim, or to look out for people that they think may be being victimised. These people are usually very active on social media.



Like this thread, for instance.


croyals wrote:
I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.


Well, let's assume 'what they're doing' is riding for at least an hour on a regular basis. A pair of your sports shorts would be a disaster, you'd end up covered in saddle sores at best.

I don't agree with the need to go top level gear unless you're really getting into it, but for perspective have a look at what a weekend hacker spends on golf. We all like to spend up a bit on our gear whatever we do.

Let's not get the skirts too bunched up over it, eh...

lads.

Author:  Sandstorm [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:48 pm ]
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It's not the arse that's the problem, it's the meat and two veg that comes through the door of the coffee shop first. x(

Author:  Crash_12 [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:13 pm ]
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SamShark wrote:
Up north where I'm from originally you'd ordinarily use your car to show how sucessful you are.

A few of my mates now seem to want to spend £3k on a bike to ride round the park.


It's proper mental.

A mate of mine has just spent the same on a road bike as I've just spent on a new Husqvarna motorbike.

Author:  Nolanator [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:15 pm ]
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Sandstorm wrote:
It's not the arse that's the problem, it's the meat and two veg that comes through the door of the coffee shop first. x(


The belly often enters first.

Author:  JM2K6 [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:17 pm ]
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croyals wrote:
I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.


I tried a normal pair of sports shorts for cycling and very very quickly moved on to lycra. It's not a fashion statement.

Author:  Bullettyme [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:18 pm ]
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Duff Paddy wrote:
The mamil market is highly lucrative. These eejits think nothing of spending €200+ on a pair of castelli cycling shorts. It is bonkers. A sport designed to part middle class men from their disposable income.


As someone who got into the sport this year it's insane the type of money you can drop, which isn't going to make much difference to your performance.

You see old dudes, with the latest gear; oakleys (€100+), premium branded bib shorts and jersey (€400+), top end helmet (€200+), top end Shimano shoes (€200+), Garmin (€100+). And that's before you get into their bikes which would be generally well into the thousands with fkn tribars and all the works.

All for commuting or going out for 2 or 3 hours on a weekend.

EDIT: I agree with some of the stuff above though, you need Lycra shorts and a decent jersey, but you don't have to be spending hundreds on it.

Author:  Nolanator [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:21 pm ]
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Do normal lycra undershorts that you buy for a tenner work as well as really expensive cycling branded stuff?

Author:  Bullettyme [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:23 pm ]
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Nolanator wrote:
Do normal lycra undershorts that you buy for a tenner work as well as really expensive cycling branded stuff?


They (both cheap and expensive) usually have a chamois (fancy padding) as well. I've bought shorts for a tenner, or bib shorts for twenty, and they've been perfectly functional and I haven't chafed. I don't have any expensive stuff to really compare it to though. Maybe they feel nicer but I doubt it.

Author:  Crash_12 [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:24 pm ]
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Gospel wrote:
Who gives a fudge what someone else is wearing when they're riding a bike? You lot sound like a bunch of old women down the hair salon.

I live out in the sticks down a single lane road slap bang in the middle of a popular cycling route and I just think 'fair-play big lad' when some lycra clad lard arse is grinding his big-ring to try and keep up with the sexy young things in front. If spending £200 on ill-fitting shorts is the excuse people need to do strenuous exercise then it's a good thing IMO.


The thing is he's been attacked by the type of idiots who sport #FatPride hashtags, endlessly blog about the heroics of being overweight and thus castigate dissenters as “fat shamers”.

Meanwhile men women are now fatter than ever.

Author:  Sandstorm [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:25 pm ]
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JM2K6 wrote:
croyals wrote:
I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.


I tried a normal pair of sports shorts for cycling and very very quickly moved on to lycra. It's not a fashion statement.


Please wear the normal shorts over the lycra item. Mountain bikers do. :thumbup:

Author:  Dobbin [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:26 pm ]
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the correct response from hoy should have been....i was having a bit of a light hearted laugh at big blokes who dress up in all the expensive cycling gear and if youre offended by that then tough

apologising simply emboldens these tedious cnuts

Author:  Nolanator [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:26 pm ]
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Bullettyme wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Do normal lycra undershorts that you buy for a tenner work as well as really expensive cycling branded stuff?


They (both cheap and expensive) usually have a chamois (fancy padding) as well. I've bought shorts for a tenner, or bib shorts for twenty, and they've been perfectly functional and I haven't chafed. I don't have any expensive stuff to really compare it to though. Maybe they feel nicer but I doubt it.


Oh yeah, I forgot about the crotch padding in proper cycling shorts. Presume that starts to make a difference when you're in a low profile saddle for hours.

Author:  Denirostaxidriver [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:27 pm ]
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JM2K6 wrote:
croyals wrote:
I have no idea why someone would spend £200 on a pair of lycra shorts when, for what they're doing, a normal pair of sports shorts for a tenner would do the same job.


I tried a normal pair of sports shorts for cycling and very very quickly moved on to lycra. It's not a fashion statement.


I dread to think what a normal pair of shorts would do to you after even a 40km ride.

Author:  theo [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:27 pm ]
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Bullettyme wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Do normal lycra undershorts that you buy for a tenner work as well as really expensive cycling branded stuff?


They (both cheap and expensive) usually have a chamois (fancy padding) as well. I've bought shorts for a tenner, or bib shorts for twenty, and they've been perfectly functional and I haven't chafed. I don't have any expensive stuff to really compare it to though. Maybe they feel nicer but I doubt it.


I agree. I always laugh at a tits in their Rapha tops and shorts. They saw you coming son.

Author:  Bullettyme [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:28 pm ]
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Nolanator wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Do normal lycra undershorts that you buy for a tenner work as well as really expensive cycling branded stuff?


They (both cheap and expensive) usually have a chamois (fancy padding) as well. I've bought shorts for a tenner, or bib shorts for twenty, and they've been perfectly functional and I haven't chafed. I don't have any expensive stuff to really compare it to though. Maybe they feel nicer but I doubt it.


Oh yeah, I forgot about the crotch padding in proper cycling shorts. Presume that starts to make a difference when you're in a low profile saddle for hours.

Having started out with sports and rugby shorts on the bike it makes a huge difference. There's only so long the padding makes a difference for too :lol:

Author:  polyallstar [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:39 pm ]
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Thought this would be about Keith Earls :smug:

Author:  Market Square Hero [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:40 pm ]
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Duff Paddy wrote:
The mamil market is highly lycrative. These eejits think nothing of spending €200+ on a pair of castelli cycling shorts. It is bonkers. A sport designed to part middle class men from their disposable income.


Fixed.

Author:  Denirostaxidriver [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:43 pm ]
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Bullettyme wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
The mamil market is highly lucrative. These eejits think nothing of spending €200+ on a pair of castelli cycling shorts. It is bonkers. A sport designed to part middle class men from their disposable income.


As someone who got into the sport this year it's insane the type of money you can drop, which isn't going to make much difference to your performance.

You see old dudes, with the latest gear; oakleys (€100+), premium branded bib shorts and jersey (€400+), top end helmet (€200+), top end Shimano shoes (€200+), Garmin (€100+). And that's before you get into their bikes which would be generally well into the thousands with fkn tribars and all the works.

All for commuting or going out for 2 or 3 hours on a weekend.

EDIT: I agree with some of the stuff above though, you need Lycra shorts and a decent jersey, but you don't have to be spending hundreds on it.


That must be a shitty Garmin :lol:

Author:  Bullettyme [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:02 pm ]
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I was conservative there, it's true. Power meter and Garmin will set you back €400+.

Author:  paddyor [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:03 pm ]
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theo wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
The mamil market is highly lucrative. These eejits think nothing of spending €200+ on a pair of castelli cycling shorts. It is bonkers. A sport designed to part middle class men from their disposable income.


Taking over from golf.

It is daft. The cost of the clothing is just bonkers.

With regards to Chris Hoy - he has nothing to apologise for.

His sponsors? His job was to shut up and smile.

Author:  Mullet 2 [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:03 pm ]
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I have a bigger problem at the moment with grown men who seem to carry school bags everywhere these days.

Work, rugby matches etc.

Author:  backrow [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:04 pm ]
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Mullet 2 wrote:
I have a bigger problem at the moment with grown men who seem to carry school bags everywhere these days.

Work, rugby matches etc.


the Poster Slick did that to the xmas cabal about ten years ago - he still gets the bantz as 'the man with the man-bag'

Author:  le chat [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:05 pm ]
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it's not just the lyrca, some overweight twat paying a few thousand to get a bike a couple of pounds lighter is absolutely ridiculous

Author:  Denirostaxidriver [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:06 pm ]
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Bullettyme wrote:
I was conservative there, it's true. Power meter and Garmin will set you back €400+.


I would suggest that power meters are not necessary for the vast majority of punters out there. The vast, vast majority. But they are awesome to use when you are training for a race or a triathlon.

Author:  Mullet 2 [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:06 pm ]
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Always very nerdy types.

Often with a flag sticking out of the bag if it's a rugby match.

Author:  ukjim [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:07 pm ]
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its not like he has his own brand of clothing or anything to flog...

Author:  paddyor [ Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:09 pm ]
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ukjim wrote:
its not like he has his own brand of clothing or anything to flog...

In other news: Area man shouts at cloud!

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