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One last question/comment. You're a reasonable dude, though I think it's fair to say that you tend, by your own admission, to the extremities on these particular issues. At the very least, you're sympathetic. But you're also not a dick. How confident can you be, imagining yourself as say, an example of a Snowball type figure, that Napoleon types won't seize the momentum (or that that hasn't already happened)? Would Snowball have gone along with Napoleon, had he known that he himself would be expelled, and that Boxer would be sent to the glue factory, or would he have attempted to stand up to Napoleon earlier? [/end dystopian novel references for now] I guess your answer may be that the farmer had to be taken down - and probably he did in that analogy - I'm just not sure the subsequent reality was better for any but a small group who reorganized hierarchies in their favour. The analogy is obviously imperfect, but how confident are you as - I believe - a 'white male', that you yourself will not be sent to the back of the bus, despite having been a loyal ally? Or do you accept that as a reasonable cost of supporting a just cause?

Thankfully, I'm too married to worry about an imposed MGTOW future. And my wife is wonderful so she'll never leave me/I'll never leave her.

:lol: I'll take Snowball. I'm about to get married in a couple of weeks as well, and she's extremely ethnic so hopefully I should be safe when they're putting people up against the wall. Although I'm not sure whether that or a self-imposed MGTOW future would be worse tbh.



I know it's highly inappropriate to laugh at such things, but in this climate, why do I find this funny?


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Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).

2/ Latinx/Mestiso - an easy score. Bear in mind, there are Nul Points for European Elite hotties like Salma Hayek, no matter how much they protest they are 'Women of Color'. They ain't.

2+/ Sub-Continental Asian. Okay, now we're cooking a little. A standard second-gen sikh or middle class Indian will get you two points. If you marry a woman from the untouchable class, well, that is going to score A LOT higher, and if you then go and live in the slums of Mumbai and become a tiffin wallah - that's going the full Dhoni.

3/ Any sort of central Asia exotic like a Mongolian or Kazakh, more so if they're Muslim. Higher points in they're average looking and not some super hot daughter of a corrupt Dictator. Also scoring 3 points would be shacking up with a 1st Nations or Polynesian or Laplander or something. Ancient indigenous points. Australian will be a full 5 points for this, mainly because they never go there anyway, so the house is safe with the money.

4/ An African Supermodel like Iman or the daughter of a Nigerian cabinet minister / investment banker / professor of law at Yale (or all three at once, as is not unusual. Extra bonus mark if you can find a dissident apostate right-wing intellectual under police protection.

5/ Any form of 'real' African American chick. This is what is known as the full 'deBlasio' and if you can score higher points than him, with his devastating late lesbian play, then you can indeed, be said to be extremely ethnic in your tastes.

Addendum: Beware the Refugee. This was once a high-value ethnic mate, but has undergone severe asset depreciation of late due to quantitative easing in the space, and the exposing of many dodgy CVs.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).

2/ Latinx/Mestiso - an easy score. Bear in mind, there are Nul Points for European Elite hotties like Salma Hayek, no matter how much they protest they are 'Women of Color'. They ain't.

2+/ Sub-Continental Asian. Okay, now we're cooking a little. A standard second-gen sikh or middle class Indian will get you two points. If you marry a woman from the untouchable class, well, that is going to score A LOT higher, and if you then go and live in the slums of Mumbai and become a tiffin wallah - that's going the full Dhoni.

3/ Any sort of central Asia exotic like a Mongolian or Kazakh, more so if they're Muslim. Higher points in they're average looking and not some super hot daughter of a corrupt Dictator. Also scoring 3 points would be shacking up with a 1st Nations or Polynesian or Laplander or something. Ancient indigenous points. Australian will be a full 5 points for this, mainly because they never go there anyway, so the house is safe with the money.

4/ An African Supermodel like Iman or the daughter of a Nigerian cabinet minister / investment banker / professor of law at Yale (or all three at once, as is not unusual. Extra bonus mark if you can find a dissident apostate right-wing intellectual under police protection.

5/ Any form of 'real' African American chick. This is what is known as the full 'deBlasio' and if you can score higher points than him, with his devastating late lesbian play, then you can indeed, be said to be extremely ethnic in your tastes.

Addendum: Beware the Refugee. This was once a high-value ethnic mate, but has undergone severe asset depreciation of late due to quantitative easing in the space, and the exposing of many dodgy CVs.


So what you are saying is that Dumbledore is marrying Cardi B?


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Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).

2/ Latinx/Mestiso - an easy score. Bear in mind, there are Nul Points for European Elite hotties like Salma Hayek, no matter how much they protest they are 'Women of Color'. They ain't.

2+/ Sub-Continental Asian. Okay, now we're cooking a little. A standard second-gen sikh or middle class Indian will get you two points. If you marry a woman from the untouchable class, well, that is going to score A LOT higher, and if you then go and live in the slums of Mumbai and become a tiffin wallah - that's going the full Dhoni.

3/ Any sort of central Asia exotic like a Mongolian or Kazakh, more so if they're Muslim. Higher points in they're average looking and not some super hot daughter of a corrupt Dictator. Also scoring 3 points would be shacking up with a 1st Nations or Polynesian or Laplander or something. Ancient indigenous points. Australian will be a full 5 points for this, mainly because they never go there anyway, so the house is safe with the money.

4/ An African Supermodel like Iman or the daughter of a Nigerian cabinet minister / investment banker / professor of law at Yale (or all three at once, as is not unusual. Extra bonus mark if you can find a dissident apostate right-wing intellectual under police protection.

5/ Any form of 'real' African American chick. This is what is known as the full 'deBlasio' and if you can score higher points than him, with his devastating late lesbian play, then you can indeed, be said to be extremely ethnic in your tastes.

Addendum: Beware the Refugee. This was once a high-value ethnic mate, but has undergone severe asset depreciation of late due to quantitative easing in the space, and the exposing of many dodgy CVs.


So what you are saying is that Dumbledore is marrying Cardi B?


I don't know who or what he is marrying. Only that he described her as 'extremely ethic.' I don't make the rules, OK Cupid stats are what they are.

Unless he's marrying an African American lesbian, or an Australian Aboriginal, I don't think extremely ethnic describes it.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).

2/ Latinx/Mestiso - an easy score. Bear in mind, there are Nul Points for European Elite hotties like Salma Hayek, no matter how much they protest they are 'Women of Color'. They ain't.

2+/ Sub-Continental Asian. Okay, now we're cooking a little. A standard second-gen sikh or middle class Indian will get you two points. If you marry a woman from the untouchable class, well, that is going to score A LOT higher, and if you then go and live in the slums of Mumbai and become a tiffin wallah - that's going the full Dhoni.

3/ Any sort of central Asia exotic like a Mongolian or Kazakh, more so if they're Muslim. Higher points in they're average looking and not some super hot daughter of a corrupt Dictator. Also scoring 3 points would be shacking up with a 1st Nations or Polynesian or Laplander or something. Ancient indigenous points. Australian will be a full 5 points for this, mainly because they never go there anyway, so the house is safe with the money.

4/ An African Supermodel like Iman or the daughter of a Nigerian cabinet minister / investment banker / professor of law at Yale (or all three at once, as is not unusual. Extra bonus mark if you can find a dissident apostate right-wing intellectual under police protection.

5/ Any form of 'real' African American chick. This is what is known as the full 'deBlasio' and if you can score higher points than him, with his devastating late lesbian play, then you can indeed, be said to be extremely ethnic in your tastes.

Addendum: Beware the Refugee. This was once a high-value ethnic mate, but has undergone severe asset depreciation of late due to quantitative easing in the space, and the exposing of many dodgy CVs.


So what you are saying is that Dumbledore is marrying Cardi B?


I don't know who or what he is marrying. Only that he described her as 'extremely ethic.' I don't make the rules, OK Cupid stats are what they are.

Unless he's marrying an African American lesbian, or an Australian Aboriginal, I don't think extremely ethnic describes it.


It is a strange choice of words. It does make it sound like he dated for years and only settled down when he found a female that was ethnic enough for him.


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Is she aware she is described by you as extremely ethnic to strangers? Does that rock her kasbah?


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Mate, he's Australian. Croatians are on the same binary 'ethnic' scale as South Sudanese. People with ancestors that fought in the second battle of vinegar hill only just got off the scale.


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Typo? I remember reading about a crowd of hired protesters being “ethically diverse”.


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Maybe I'll put 'Searching for someone extremely ethnic' on my Tinder bio and see how that goes down.


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So she gets eaten out, and then blows him, but she didn't want to fudge? And then he called her a cab, so he's basically a rapist?

Gtfo with that bullshit, you don't get to complain months after (he'd just won a prize, you see). Thats attention whoring, plain and simple.

:lol: Woman anonymously recounts gross date with B-list celebrity who flaunts his feminist credentials. Deffo in it for the attention.

So anonymous revenge porn?


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Typo? I remember reading about a crowd of hired protesters being “ethically diverse”.


tbf, having seen the charming sorts attending protests these days (on many sides! on many sides!), it'd be quite accurate to call their levels of ethics pretty diverse.


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Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).

2/ Latinx/Mestiso - an easy score. Bear in mind, there are Nul Points for European Elite hotties like Salma Hayek, no matter how much they protest they are 'Women of Color'. They ain't.

2+/ Sub-Continental Asian. Okay, now we're cooking a little. A standard second-gen sikh or middle class Indian will get you two points. If you marry a woman from the untouchable class, well, that is going to score A LOT higher, and if you then go and live in the slums of Mumbai and become a tiffin wallah - that's going the full Dhoni.

3/ Any sort of central Asia exotic like a Mongolian or Kazakh, more so if they're Muslim. Higher points in they're average looking and not some super hot daughter of a corrupt Dictator. Also scoring 3 points would be shacking up with a 1st Nations or Polynesian or Laplander or something. Ancient indigenous points. Australian will be a full 5 points for this, mainly because they never go there anyway, so the house is safe with the money.

4/ An African Supermodel like Iman or the daughter of a Nigerian cabinet minister / investment banker / professor of law at Yale (or all three at once, as is not unusual. Extra bonus mark if you can find a dissident apostate right-wing intellectual under police protection.

5/ Any form of 'real' African American chick. This is what is known as the full 'deBlasio' and if you can score higher points than him, with his devastating late lesbian play, then you can indeed, be said to be extremely ethnic in your tastes.

Addendum: Beware the Refugee. This was once a high-value ethnic mate, but has undergone severe asset depreciation of late due to quantitative easing in the space, and the exposing of many dodgy CVs.



WOOT! 2 points for me. :thumbup:


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).

2/ Latinx/Mestiso - an easy score. Bear in mind, there are Nul Points for European Elite hotties like Salma Hayek, no matter how much they protest they are 'Women of Color'. They ain't.

2+/ Sub-Continental Asian. Okay, now we're cooking a little. A standard second-gen sikh or middle class Indian will get you two points. If you marry a woman from the untouchable class, well, that is going to score A LOT higher, and if you then go and live in the slums of Mumbai and become a tiffin wallah - that's going the full Dhoni.

3/ Any sort of central Asia exotic like a Mongolian or Kazakh, more so if they're Muslim. Higher points in they're average looking and not some super hot daughter of a corrupt Dictator. Also scoring 3 points would be shacking up with a 1st Nations or Polynesian or Laplander or something. Ancient indigenous points. Australian will be a full 5 points for this, mainly because they never go there anyway, so the house is safe with the money.

4/ An African Supermodel like Iman or the daughter of a Nigerian cabinet minister / investment banker / professor of law at Yale (or all three at once, as is not unusual. Extra bonus mark if you can find a dissident apostate right-wing intellectual under police protection.

5/ Any form of 'real' African American chick. This is what is known as the full 'deBlasio' and if you can score higher points than him, with his devastating late lesbian play, then you can indeed, be said to be extremely ethnic in your tastes.

Addendum: Beware the Refugee. This was once a high-value ethnic mate, but has undergone severe asset depreciation of late due to quantitative easing in the space, and the exposing of many dodgy CVs.


Where does half Persian, grand daughter of a Christian Bishop in Iran who was murdered in the Revolution fit on the scale?


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Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).

2/ Latinx/Mestiso - an easy score. Bear in mind, there are Nul Points for European Elite hotties like Salma Hayek, no matter how much they protest they are 'Women of Color'. They ain't.

2+/ Sub-Continental Asian. Okay, now we're cooking a little. A standard second-gen sikh or middle class Indian will get you two points. If you marry a woman from the untouchable class, well, that is going to score A LOT higher, and if you then go and live in the slums of Mumbai and become a tiffin wallah - that's going the full Dhoni.

3/ Any sort of central Asia exotic like a Mongolian or Kazakh, more so if they're Muslim. Higher points in they're average looking and not some super hot daughter of a corrupt Dictator. Also scoring 3 points would be shacking up with a 1st Nations or Polynesian or Laplander or something. Ancient indigenous points. Australian will be a full 5 points for this, mainly because they never go there anyway, so the house is safe with the money.

4/ An African Supermodel like Iman or the daughter of a Nigerian cabinet minister / investment banker / professor of law at Yale (or all three at once, as is not unusual. Extra bonus mark if you can find a dissident apostate right-wing intellectual under police protection.

5/ Any form of 'real' African American chick. This is what is known as the full 'deBlasio' and if you can score higher points than him, with his devastating late lesbian play, then you can indeed, be said to be extremely ethnic in your tastes.

Addendum: Beware the Refugee. This was once a high-value ethnic mate, but has undergone severe asset depreciation of late due to quantitative easing in the space, and the exposing of many dodgy CVs.


Where does half Persian, grand daughter of a Christian Bishop in Iran who was murdered in the Revolution fit on the scale?


Very low. 0.25.


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FFS Sen, I was banking on a her being a keeper


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#metoo


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#metoo


Feck me she was hot wasn't she. Her sister wasn't bad either.

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Feck me she was hot wasn't she. Her sister wasn't bad either.

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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Just tying to thing of an ethnic scale of mating. I'd say, based on OK Cupid stats, the following would apply:

1/ South East Asia Chicks - well, barely even a point. This is so common that it barely rates. And if the bloke is Jewish, and form of East Asian is a non-ranking score altogether (a Zuck-Zero in the parlance).



Extremely common and promoted by both the alt right openly racist Nationalist leaders

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opin ... etish.html

and the neo liberal white men who aren't openly 'racist' but completely overlook the white worship endemic in many East and South East Asian cultures, ignore the historic Orientalist discourse of White Male Asian female couplings whilst claiming theirs is different and have no idea how to raise a mixed race child.


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Has Terry Richardson been mentioned in this thread yet or been accused?


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Has Terry Richardson been mentioned in this thread yet or been accused?


Is he an east end villain or an ugly, bespectacled photographer?


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Has Terry Richardson been mentioned in this thread yet or been accused?


Is he an east end villain or an ugly, bespectacled photographer?


They're coming for ALL the photographers.


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Has Terry Richardson been mentioned in this thread yet or been accused?


Is he an east end villain or an ugly, bespectacled photographer?

The photographer who fucks his subjects.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Has Terry Richardson been mentioned in this thread yet or been accused?


Is he an east end villain or an ugly, bespectacled photographer?


They're coming for ALL the photographers.


Good, it will make a bit more room for the decent ones.


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Has Terry Richardson been mentioned in this thread yet or been accused?


Is he an east end villain or an ugly, bespectacled photographer?

The photographer who fucks his subjects.


Poor bloke probably wouldn't get laid but for breaking the law.


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fatcat wrote:
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Has Terry Richardson been mentioned in this thread yet or been accused?


Is he an east end villain or an ugly, bespectacled photographer?

The photographer who fucks his subjects.


Poor bloke probably wouldn't get laid but for breaking the law.

It looks like allegations about him stem from 2 decades ago.


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Feck me she was hot wasn't she. Her sister wasn't bad either.

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Who are they?


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One last question/comment. You're a reasonable dude, though I think it's fair to say that you tend, by your own admission, to the extremities on these particular issues. At the very least, you're sympathetic. But you're also not a dick. How confident can you be, imagining yourself as say, an example of a Snowball type figure, that Napoleon types won't seize the momentum (or that that hasn't already happened)? Would Snowball have gone along with Napoleon, had he known that he himself would be expelled, and that Boxer would be sent to the glue factory, or would he have attempted to stand up to Napoleon earlier? [/end dystopian novel references for now] I guess your answer may be that the farmer had to be taken down - and probably he did in that analogy - I'm just not sure the subsequent reality was better for any but a small group who reorganized hierarchies in their favour. The analogy is obviously imperfect, but how confident are you as - I believe - a 'white male', that you yourself will not be sent to the back of the bus, despite having been a loyal ally? Or do you accept that as a reasonable cost of supporting a just cause?

Thankfully, I'm too married to worry about an imposed MGTOW future. And my wife is wonderful so she'll never leave me/I'll never leave her.

:lol: I'll take Snowball. I'm about to get married in a couple of weeks as well, and she's extremely ethnic so hopefully I should be safe when they're putting people up against the wall. Although I'm not sure whether that or a self-imposed MGTOW future would be worse tbh.

Working with that analogy, yes, the farmer had to be taken down. And then yes, the subsequent reality wasn't much better, but that's why you have to keep working at stuff. This is where Trotsky's continued revolution starts coming into things, have to keep it rolling. The premise of hierarchies is what we should be challenging, not the arranging of them - this is fundamentally the premise of the outrage against Atwood etc. recently. Broadly though, I wouldn't worry about it too much. The movement is far too widespread - and wide reaching - for any small group to concentrate and hold real actionable power that will do me much damage. I get the Panopticon idea, but I think that's far more a self-contained fear drummed up by internet communities than anything massive and real.

Going back a step to your previous point, I think we both see the present quite differently. You (seem to?) value its stability, and what pluralist liberal democracy has done for the world, whereas I'm looking at it and seeing a world sliding downhill. It's probably why you view the future pessimistically, where I'm more open to risking what we have now. I don't see how you can look at where things are now, catastrophic damage from climate change on the horizon, a sickening concentration of wealth, vast human misery across the planet, ever rising levels of mental illness etc. etc. and say that staying the course is the best option. What we've got going on at the moment isn't working. We're heading off a cliff, and I think we're going to need something pretty radical to turn it around.

Ok. So I'm certainly interested in solving problems without considerable violent upheaval. Call me a (Burkean) conservative, do your worst. And I definitely believe in the soverignty of the people in terms of liberal democracy, and I don't want to substitute an unelected elite for a nominally elected one, corporate or state. Some of the concerns you have, I share - environmental overexploitation (to keep everyone watching onside) being one of the main ones. Onto a whole nother topic, I don't see some of the policies we're pursuing now - population growth in the developed world through migration for instance - as doing anything but exacerbating that. I find that loophole in the fabric of the contemporary leftist's mind frankly bizarre. Concerning vast human misery across the planet - 1) that's grossly nebulous and 2) I don't think that it's any worse- if we are talking about economic misery - than in the past (it's probably better, though the global disparities have grown), it's just that now actually seeing that's only a post on your facebook feed away. Concerning mental illness, I agree, though I would say that the various components of the culture war are driving that up, not down. Further entrenching division and encouraging everybody to find various isms under the bed won't help that.

Finally, I don't think the panopticon is a feverish dream of 'internet communities'. The panopticon is barely discussed, at least in those words - I was surprised to see someone else mention it. It's very much a reality, right now. We have never been surveilled as we are now, and laws are being loosened to allow more surveillance. Privacy is a thing of the past, or a luxury good, take your pick. The Chinese social credit rating model (a la Black Mirror) is only a matter of time, because frankly, nobody cares. The whole terrorism thing came just at the right moment.


I don't think privacy is dead. The GDPR is a good stab at mitigating the impact of some new technologies and questionable new business practices.

Also I think the panopticon is much more distributed that Bentham or Foucault envisaged. It's not necessarily about exerting some centralised power (state, employers etc.). We surveille each other was more my point. Especially in matters like this. And the current consequences are way out if proportion to many misdemeanours. It is absolutely panopticanism though because it is a way of enforcing a particular set of behaviours and values.

The reason I think privacy is dead is mainly that I know so many people who understand well (working in IT) what is happening, and how few of them care enough to make tiny changes which would make them resistant to the loss of their privacy. I may be wrong, but that certainly appears to be the trajectory. I don't know that the EU introducing privacy laws while CCTV cameras proliferate and central states criminalise social media 'hate speech' is of much comfort.

Finally, the most significant aspect of the panopticon is the principle of sowing doubt and paranoia. The 'prisoners' cannot see into the watch tower, and never know if they are being watched at any given time, or by whom. The idea is not to watch the 'prisoners' at all times, but too intimidate them by making them feel that they are being watched, or that they could be being watched. It is designed to create paranoia, which, tying back in to the discussion with Dumbledore, is going to drive up mental illness. Again, I think it is beyond question that there are programmes of blanket surveillance whose aim is not only to surveil people, but also to make people feel surveilled. Police recording protests, which is normal where I live (and they do so with cameras far more conspicuous than necessary given the technology available on the market), is another example. I think such practices are conspicuously authoritarian, deliberately so, and that further extending these practices will lead to an inhuman world in which humans (rather than entries on a spreadsheet) will struggle to live happy lives.


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Atwood's an interesting one. She has gone through the process of imagining a world that reactionary forces might create in the wake of an attempted cultural revolution coalescing with other crises, and her imagined world looks more plausible now than it did when she wrote A Handmaid's Tale.


Except that she's noticing with horror that the fundamentalist forces are massing on her side of the fence.

If there has been any more ridiculous cultural event of the Trump era so far than the production of the 'Handmaid's Tale' as a dark reflection of Trump and his minions I am all ears. Trump is the force that kicked the GOP free from the Christian Conservatives. That movment is dead as a political force.


Oh yeah. I have been following that one (Trump=Handmaids Tale) with growing perplexion.

When I watched the recent series, I found some of the reviews you might be referring to, which claimed that 'this is what Trump's America will look like'. They were, as you suggest, risible. I looked deeper, and found that Atwood herself wrote the book after returning from Afghanistan in the 70s (and the analogy is obvious, from the situation of women, to the banal religious tourettes). I can't remember if she joined in on the comparison with 'Trump's America', but it was clear what her inspiration was. That said, as Seneca himself once told me when referring to Houllebecq's novel, Submission, imported and domestic reactionary forces may well coalesce. We do live in complex times, after all, and the future may have some interesting surprises in store for us.


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#metoo


Feck me she was hot wasn't she. Her sister wasn't bad either.

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Who are they?


Françoise Dorléac and her sister Catherine Deneuve.


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The onion sums up my thoughts about actors and actresses who work with Woody Allen in recent years ignoring Dylan Afrrow's prior claims and are suddenly claiming they won't work with him again now ignoring sexual assaulters isn't fashionable.

https://entertainment.theonion.com/aspi ... lMarketing

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LOS ANGELES—Explaining that it would be a landmark moment in her career, local aspiring actor Janine Caballero told reporters Thursday that she dreams of one day publicly voicing regret for working with Woody Allen. “Ever since I started acting, my wish has always been to land a role in a film directed by Woody Allen and then some months later release a statement expressing my remorse for taking the job and offering an apology to any women I may have inadvertently hurt,” said Caballero, adding that she has always fantasized about promising to never work with him again and then donating the salary she earned from starring in one of his trademark romantic comedies to a nonprofit combating sexual abuse.

“From a professional standpoint, there’s nothing I want more than to go on 60 Minutes or a late-night talk show and explain how I never would have worked with Allen if I had the information I have now. Recounting how I took the role when I was younger and not secure enough in my career to speak up would really put me in the rare company of some actors I admire tremendously.” Caballero went on to say, however, that she wasn’t above deeply regretting appearing in a high-budget blockbuster directed by someone like Brett Ratner.


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They're coming for ALL the photographers.



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I did not have sexual relations with that model!



(Was at a lighting workshop with 4 other attendees, otherwise I would probably have tried my luck)


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They're coming for ALL the photographers.



:shock:

I did not have sexual relations with that model!



(Was at a lighting workshop with 4 other attendees, otherwise I would probably have tried my luck)



Does your nose turn red and itch, at this point ?


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Scott Baio:

https://decider.com/2018/01/30/nicole-e ... 1506251668


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I don't think she'll win in Court, but I do believe her story.


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Couldn't decide which is the best thread to post it on, but:

Father of THREE girls molested by the National Gymnastics Team Doctor asked the judge at the Docs sentencing for 5 minutes alone with him. Then just 1. Then tried to run across the courtroom to rip the evil pricks head off (I assume).

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/02/us/r ... index.html

Fairly understandable reaction, the cops restraining him must've been sorely tempted to let him get past them.


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Couldn't decide which is the best thread to post it on, but:

Father of THREE girls molested by the National Gymnastics Team Doctor asked the judge at the Docs sentencing for 5 minutes alone with him. Then just 1. Then tried to run across the courtroom to rip the evil pricks head off (I assume).

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/02/us/r ... index.html

Fairly understandable reaction, the cops restraining him must've been sorely tempted to let him get past them.


Problem is the doctor probably could have sued the courts if the dad had got through right? What a monster. I hope he has a terrible prison experience.


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Couldn't decide which is the best thread to post it on, but:

Father of THREE girls molested by the National Gymnastics Team Doctor asked the judge at the Docs sentencing for 5 minutes alone with him. Then just 1. Then tried to run across the courtroom to rip the evil pricks head off (I assume).

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/02/us/r ... index.html

Fairly understandable reaction, the cops restraining him must've been sorely tempted to let him get past them.


Glad to see that the Judge has declined to charge him for that. :thumbup:


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