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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:46 pm 
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Quite an interesting video about Sarries women


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I saw that ... and was really impressed with Harrison's ability to analyse / understand play. I've worked with some Canuck internationals who never spoke with that depth of knowledge. Really impressive for someone who's what, 21-ish?


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Nieghorn wrote:
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I saw that ... and was really impressed with Harrison's ability to analyse / understand play. I've worked with some Canuck internationals who never spoke with that depth of knowledge. Really impressive for someone who's what, 21-ish?


Indeed. You can see why I've said for a while now she is England's 10 future.

Here another nice 11 minute video of Will Greenwood coaching the Red Roses:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... -red-roses


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:18 am 
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Super series starts tomorrow.

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Image vs https://www.usarugby.org/2019/06/womens ... s-preview/

(USA got to get their social media game in line methinks)


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:28 pm 
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That Canada side has a lot of weak points. :?


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I follow a PhD candidate on twitter who's doing a study of the history of the sport and she's done a podcast interview on the 1994 WRWC as a landmark moment... only part-way through and she's using some interesting audio clips from the time: https://alondonjournal.net/2019/06/16/s ... dia-furse/

... I didn't realize the IRFB threatened legal action over it.


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:44 am 
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Saracens Women lose their forwards coach. Not surprised when yous ee how good their forward pack play as the basis of their game:

https://twitter.com/SaracensWomen/statu ... 3863301121


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A friend is playing club rugby in NZ and when she shared the next match's lineup, I couldn't help but smile at some of the unique names! (Not a criticism, either ... having coached a team once that had 8 guys called 'Matt', with plenty others getting named after grandparents, I say why not give your kid a unique name?)

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"Mystery with miracle cutout pass to Myracle!"


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:27 am 
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In good news for England, Sophie Shams, an outstanding runner for Durham university who ripped up the BUCS final with her phenomenal running game at 15 is turning out for England 7's. I've followed her for a bit and hoped (she grew up in the middle East) England would be sensible enough to court her and get her to declare for England. The Women's BUCS final is worth a watch to see what a talent she is with ball in hand. A joy to watch.

https://twitter.com/SophieShams/status/ ... 0978714624

The final:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKQwEZ2AFwg


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Wallaroos with some women against girls moments v Japan. I think there should be another vid coming soon as twitter tells me they won the second test too.

https://youtu.be/i5r22j3NRnI


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:57 pm 
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Harlequins have finally realised despite a powerful pack their breakdown work is vastly inferior to Saracens and brought in Italy's excellent Giada Franco:

https://twitter.com/HarlequinsWomen/sta ... 9869144065


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Canadian women's club championships ... no Prairie team, Ontario team is currently joint with another club that has more internationals, BC winner upset their strongest club that also has more internationals, so not sure if you'd say these are our "best", but for me, they still show a big quality gap between them and most Tyrrell's teams.

The Quebec team's demolition of Toronto Saracens in the semi is worth watching, though. Some really nice open field, quick tempo rugby through most of the game - even the dropped balls, for me, were from ambitious attacks on the edge rather than merely poor handling. Unfortunately, they choked in the final.

http://canadianclubchampionship.com/?page_id=217


... before the matches, I was advocating on Twitter that a potential US/Can Lions tour should play the best club sides. Now I'm not so sure. A 'select' team of veterans, however, would put on a good show I think. The provincial teams are often very young, with a lot of uni students and recent grads who aren't so set in their careers/families that they can take time off to travel to training sessions and championships. There's a club in the Toronto area that has as a no training policy, which has brought a lot of retired 'old girls' out of the woodwork. In their first season, they destroyed teams in the second division. Would do just fine in the first, but I think they act as another club's 2nd XV. It possibly shows that rugby here has gotten so rigid and prescriptive over the last generation, that the previous one can better them with sound fundamentals and the ability to read/support each other despite no training!


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:42 pm 
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Cheers for the link Nieghorn. As I'm on holiday, I'll enjoy the rugby clips videos :)

Also, interestingly Lagi Tuima who has just finish Uni has gone to Quins now.


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
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Quins sign Chloe Rollie. They ate really going all out to improve. I wonder who they are dropping? There is a limit of 5 foreign players per match-day squad I believe and they certainly had their limit last season.

https://twitter.com/HarlequinsWomen/sta ... 4831042561


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:43 pm 
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Sad news Nieghorn:

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🃏 Harlequins can today confirm that winger Holly Myers has left the Club to join French side Toulouse ahead of the new season.

👏 Best of luck in France @HollyMyers92

:((


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Sounds like a fun opportunity for her, but was saying to a friend last night - whilst talking international women's rugby (her being a prop criminally overlooked for Canada) - England's missed giving a few players a run, her being one. Guess she's given up the dream ...


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
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Nieghorn wrote:
Sounds like a fun opportunity for her, but was saying to a friend last night - whilst talking international women's rugby (her being a prop criminally overlooked for Canada) - England's missed giving a few players a run, her being one. Guess she's given up the dream ...


I agree, as you know. There seems to be a core of players, who are close to the set-up from age group levels as a youngster and somehow are judged on their supposed potential and hype rather than their actual current quality. But then that's typical of having coaches and coaching set-up who have never been involved in making real world elite decisions and have reputations based on that, it's all how much you impress within the RFU and write nice essays and dine well.


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:lol: ... I've been reading books about the 'red coat' era lately, and it certainly sounds like RFU coaches are like officers from the era. From the right circles of influence, being 'gentlemen' (and women) with the right breeding, picking their favourites, not sure if they have to 'buy their commission' or get leeway in designing their own uniforms. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
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:lol: ... I've been reading books about the 'red coat' era lately, and it certainly sounds like RFU coaches are like officers from the era. From the right circles of influence, being 'gentlemen' (and women) with the right breeding, picking their favourites, not sure if they have to 'buy their commission' or get leeway in designing their own uniforms. ;)


The weird thing is, in theory, the RFU do set-up coaches well, in certain ways, they are full of good stuff in theory. A good example is Stuart Lancaster, by all accounts knows his stuff but before England had one season in charge of a team who were relegated. But they don't push them to gain success in the real world. So they never develop a coaching philosophy, learn how to fine tune good theories into real world practice, scrap what doesn't really work in practice, or fine tune it and how to get the best out of players in real elite situations. But they all seem scared of practising in the real world outside of England set-ups.


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
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Wow, Harlequins really going all out and nabbed Amy Cokayne as well.

https://twitter.com/UKAFRugby/status/11 ... 6889700353

Now one consequence of the new league, is basically it's become weaker than it was being it became the Tyrells Premiership because 3 teams appear to be where anyone wants to go to now. Sure the players are training more, like everywhere else, but the quality is now being so concentrated into a three teams that half the league is a waste as their quality is ever weaker and the competition overall must be sinking with ever fewer top players spread around. The image will be bad, already Worcester and Firwood Waterloo and Darlington get blown out frequently you wonder why the league ever expanded?

EDIT: Quins also added Sarah Beckett.


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Eldan, the Ontario women's premier cup final might be of interest ... I haven't watched yet, but it was a high scoring affair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2Ymg_28_0


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Cheers :thumbup:


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Women’s rwc renamed rwc.


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RFU has announced plans for next three years. Potentially four teams out and four teams up depending on certain criteria being met.


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
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Plastic Sarrie wrote:
RFU has announced plans for next three years. Potentially four teams out and four teams up depending on certain criteria being met.


After the next 3 seasons. I suspect West Park Leeds Ladies and Thurrock Ladies will have strong cases, however Thurrock and Litchfield basically had strong cases last time and many believe they were frozen out for non-criteria stuff. I think Worcester, Darlington and Firwood Waterloo will need bigger seasons this year to not be threatened.


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
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Sarries have announced they're going to start paying their players, and have created 3 x full time women's positions: Laura Eddie has been appointed Director of Women’s Sport, Lewis Sones – Women’s Performance Pathway Manager and Harry Waine, full-time Strength and Conditioning Coach.

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Player contracts for the 2019/20 season, while unpaid, will ensure that every member of the Women’s squad will receive increased support, on and off the pitch.

This includes but is not limited to: medical and nutritional support, personalised S&C programmes, Individual Development Plan sessions and support with personal development. Up to ten players within the Saracens Women squad will also receive retainers and there will be an introduction of match fees for every 1st XV fixture for the upcoming season.


edit: Exeter have announced they're forming a women's team too to apply for the Tyrell's Prem for next season


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I heard about the Exeter bid ... any word on whether Lichfield are planning some form of rebellion? :) (How'd they do in the women's leagues last season?)


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 Post subject: Re: Women's Rugby thread
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Plastic Sarrie wrote:
Sarries have announced they're going to start paying their players, and have created 3 x full time women's positions: Laura Eddie has been appointed Director of Women’s Sport, Lewis Sones – Women’s Performance Pathway Manager and Harry Waine, full-time Strength and Conditioning Coach.

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Player contracts for the 2019/20 season, while unpaid, will ensure that every member of the Women’s squad will receive increased support, on and off the pitch.

This includes but is not limited to: medical and nutritional support, personalised S&C programmes, Individual Development Plan sessions and support with personal development. Up to ten players within the Saracens Women squad will also receive retainers and there will be an introduction of match fees for every 1st XV fixture for the upcoming season.


edit: Exeter have announced they're forming a women's team too to apply for the Tyrell's Prem for next season


Are they playing players? I read they were giving them contracts which said they had to turn-up to training twice a week and do a certain amount of gym basically and they gets lost of nutritional and medical support and first team playing more or less. Forgive me if I missed something there.


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I heard about the Exeter bid ... any word on whether Lichfield are planning some form of rebellion? :) (How'd they do in the women's leagues last season?)


It's a North and South division below. Litchfield came 2nd to 'West Park Leeds' and Thurrock (who were just as angry and possibly had an even stronger case than Litchfield) won the South and the overall final.

Now I believe this means Leeds and Thurrock will be invited to apply in the next time places are up. Thurrock might again struggle as they claimed Sarries and Richmond pushed against their application due to competition. West Park Leeds will have a strong case, they have produced a ton of England's recent youth players (and plenty sucked into Darlington, Hartpury and a few other teams) and they are a Northern team so the Geography may suit their bid with fewer possibilities of local competition. Litchfield will be the club with the strongest "performance" case after that. Though it's also in the bag that Exeter will be given a place from all the talk.


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AH, caught that Sarries are paying "retainers" for 10 players and will give out match fees.


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Genuine question El Dan, do you guys average relatively good attendances for each game? Is there an arguement for pay parity
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England realistically are the only rugby country that could achieve this any time soon IMHO


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Sarries get a few hundred at best for their games, which is a shame, as they're pretty entertaining to watch.

The Sarries open day on Sunday featured them playing against Trojans, ended up 88-0. Sarries were a completely different class.


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maxbox wrote:
Genuine question El Dan, do you guys average relatively good attendances for each game? Is there an arguement for pay parity
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England realistically are the only rugby country that could achieve this any time soon IMHO


When Quins Women play at the Stoop Stadium they tend to get between 2k and 5k. But they play half their matches at Surrey Sports Park where they'll get a few hundred. They are however playing more games at the Stoop with each season. It should be noticed Quins went in hard and fast with supporting their women's team. Some have been paid for a while with club jobs and they have used the women's games to promote the club as much as the men. The stoop is full of pictures of the women and men everywhere.


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The Women's League returns tomorrow in possibly the worst ever time to promote the women's game. Scrum Queens have done perhaps the best overall overview of the player changes/transfers in the offseason:

https://www.scrumqueens.com/news/previe ... remier-15s

IMO there is still to much talent heading to Quins and Saracens making the league lopsided, the big difference is in forward power, those teams can blast most of the league off the balls, except possible Bristol, Loughborough and Gloucester. Loughborough are stregthening, I think Detysha Harper is a real talent, strong, looks for work and explosive acceleration. But again Waterloo have lost their two bets young players with Sarah Beckett going to Quins.

However an interesting angle this season is the RFU are reviewing the league team as this is the 3rd season and reapplication is going to happen afterwards.


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It'll be interesting to see how Exeter go if they get in. Presumably they'll hoover up some players from whoever is relegated and try and produce some of their own talent?


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Plastic Sarrie wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how Exeter go if they get in. Presumably they'll hoover up some players from whoever is relegated and try and produce some of their own talent?


Possibly. I suspect Bristol will lose out, Exeter University produce excellent women's teams, many of them co-play or go to Bristol afterwards. Exeter Uni is sitting on a potential gold mine of talent if they can convince graduates to stay local. I suspect they'll also import from Wales with players do a duel club deal to remain available for Welsh national duty.


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On the subject of Wales palyers in the ENglish league, the 4 Bristol signed are superb, Lillicrap and Bevan are know quality, but the two youngsters Manon Johnes and Lauran Smyth (Liam Williams' cousin) have the talent to be very special players and are teenagers.

Wales have an immense crop of talent in their U21 ranks. If they can get the size in their players and the playing and training time together they could be very good.


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Lillicrap? That seems an unfortunate name


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Plastic Sarrie wrote:
Lillicrap? That seems an unfortunate name


I know :lol:


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Lillicrap? That seems an unfortunate name


I know :lol:



I'd put up former England player Monica Lewinska as a candidate. I think Australia capped a Brumbies player called Pip Butt.


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