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This is extremely correct. The Australian selectors, and Steve Smith in particular, are absolute deadbeats. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... -finalised

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No cricket team is ever truly stable. As Ferris Bueller noted, life moves pretty fast. Compared to recent years, though, Australia’s Test line-up looks steady ahead of the Ashes. The top five is set – with one caveat, to be discussed – while the first-choice bowling attack is not just known, but getting into rhythm together for New South Wales.

The narrow gap between these sturdy ends has become the plughole where uncertainty swirls and gurgles. Right now, there are literally a dozen candidates who could round out the top six at the Gabba. Four wicketkeepers could take the spot below. It is the mark of a domestic system where batsmen no longer dominate, where irresistible cases are no longer made.

Potential is the spectre that haunts Australian batting. Hints of talent without tangible form, lurking in peripheral vision. Travis Head, a genius with the white ball and mediocre against red. Marcus Stoinis as a development project aged 28. The Marsh brothers are Perth’s poltergeists, never exorcised. Nick Maddinson, Moises Henriques, Hilton Cartwright have had more charity Tests than the Sydney Cricket Ground. Kurtis Patterson could be next. Daniel Hughes drew Steve Smith’s attention with a first-grade knock. Jake Lehmann has the lineage, the left-hand stance, and a licence to hit. Callum Ferguson and Glenn Maxwell spent years as the next big thing, only to be held back by those at the top.

Any of the 12 could play the first Test, but none due to an irrefutable body of work. Instead it will likely be a shootout in the third Sheffield Shield round starting on Monday. This was the model for the frantic cleanout last year after South Africa demolished Australia in Hobart, but it needn’t have been the case for the first game of a new season.

If the nine established players show where Australian selection has got things right, the undecided spots show where it goes wrong. Lack of domestic dominance leads to the obsession with potential: selectors hunch over tea leaves in the hope a middling Shield player can suddenly boss a higher level. This allows too much emphasis on personality and perception, so that players known and liked within the national setup get the benefit of hunches. Those less favoured are stamped with a big red X for life.

Ed Cowan is an obvious example. As broadly reported, the Sydney opening batsman made the most Shield runs in the country across the last three seasons, topped the scoring last season while averaging nearly 74, and won the Steve Waugh medal for New South Wales player of the year. The first game next season, he was out of the side.

This was because New South Wales had to accommodate Test players Smith and David Warner, and wanted to jam Maddinson, Hughes, Henriques and Patterson into the side. With three games to impress selectors, any of those four were seen as Test candidates. The most telling part is that, with a vastly superior record to any, Cowan wasn’t seen as a Test candidate.

In a sensible world, Cowan would have tuned up in case he was needed during the Ashes. This is the aforementioned caveat to Australia’s top five: there will be a close eye on young Matthew Renshaw. Concerns have been overstated: while he hasn’t been making huge scores for Queensland, he has been batting long innings, which is exactly what you want at the top against Stuart Broad and James Anderson. But if he has a run of failures, and the series is at stake, a short-term replacement might be needed. Someone who’s been there before, won’t be overawed, and has the best recent record in the country at that position.

Except the message is clear that it won’t be Cowan. When Darren Lehmann replaced Mickey Arthur as Australian coach in 2013, Cowan had just been the most reliable performer on a disastrous tour of India. He had been close to Arthur, earning hostility from senior team-mates, and was everything Lehmann wouldn’t like: defensive with the bat, prepared to speak out, a smart specky rich kid who didn’t just read books but wrote one. You don’t have to read widely to figure that Lehmann doesn’t rate cricketers he doesn’t like. Cowan would play one more Test, pushed out the door to bat at Trent Bridge after being up all night vomiting with flu. When he was out, the red X was visible from the stands.

Personal friction is also relevant to the question of No6. If potential is a marker, Maxwell is the best natural striker of the ball in the country. You would think a player of such ability should be nurtured, but his captain and coach at times respond with frustration. Take the ludicrous “internal discipline” after a Maxwell press conference last year. Would you like to bat higher up the order for Victoria? Yes. Why don’t you? I’m not the captain. This was deemed an act of disrespect to national team-mate Matthew Wade, and Maxwell ran drinks for three ODIs.

It’s a pattern of one step forward, two back, in making him an established international. A player picked in Tests across four Asian tours, but never deemed good enough for one at home. In Ranchi this year, he made his breakthrough Test century, tailoring his game to the conditions and helping earn a draw that kept the series alive. That would have been the time for an arm around the shoulders, making the most of the achievement. That’s it, you’ve cracked it. Now settle, focus, and know you’ll be batting six this summer.

Imagine what someone of Maxwell’s ability could do across a Test summer, with an attacking game honed on the bouncy tracks of Australia. Imagine he had gone into the Shield with that surety, free to work on his game rather than needing to impress. Imagine how he could terrorise a touring team across 10 innings, like Adam Gilchrist did, like Andrew Symonds learned to. The key for Symonds was that he had the backing.

And imagine Australia picked wicketkeepers based on wicketkeeping. Matthew Wade, Peter Nevill, and Alex Carey are all being watched for runs, and none can make any of note. Cameron Bancroft is suddenly a contender, after carrying his bat for 76 and then making 86 in his two innings against the blue-blood New South Wales attack. But no score will change his part-time status with the gloves.

Instead, we’ll have one more audition round. Maxwell trying to build on his twin 60s at the MCG. Lehmann junior vaulting into contention with a hundred and a 90 in the same game. Ferguson not part of the conversation a week ago, but back in the frame with a huge unbeaten ton.

Shaun Marsh with two fifties in four knocks. Just the one so far for Head, Patterson, Cartwright and Hughes. None for Maddinson, Henriques, Marsh or Stoinis. Instead of preparing for a top-order contingency, New South Wales throwing in every chip for an insane lottery in the middle. Where the number lands is anybody’s guess. But it didn’t need to be like that.


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Maxwell should be selected. Simple.


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I read the first two paragraphs and thought "I'm going to post something about Ed Cowan, because he should have spent at least the last five years as a fixture in the test side" and then the author beat me to it. His career has been cruelled in very similar circumstances to the great Simon Katich. It's not enough to have the best batting figures in the country, it's not enough to be the perfect type of player for the job, you have to be prepared to choke down half a mile of sky blue cock or you're going fucking nowhere.

Also; Wade, Nevill and Carey are all pants. There is one option and one option only for gloveman and there is a 100% guarantee that the selectors will ignore him. Tim Paine.


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Daniel Fallins 21 year old leggie from NSW finished with 5-73 against England on his first class début. :thumbup:


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228* for Cameron Bancroft just about guarantees him in the XI for Brisbane. Should be opening with Maxy at 6, but think it'll be Renshaw opening with Bancroft down the order.


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I read the first two paragraphs and thought "I'm going to post something about Ed Cowan, because he should have spent at least the last five years as a fixture in the test side" ....


I agree. He, like Stu McGill, was an intellectual, who never fit in with the beer swilling, sledging, oafish bogan culture that blights the Australian team, and was excluded as a result.

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you have to be prepared to choke down half a mile of sky blue cock or you're going fucking nowhere.


Except he played for NSW before he moved to mapland. And was picked after he left. See real reason above.


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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Daniel Fallins 21 year old leggie from NSW finished with 5-73 against England on his first class début. :thumbup:


10 year career coming up...


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Ellafan wrote:
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I read the first two paragraphs and thought "I'm going to post something about Ed Cowan, because he should have spent at least the last five years as a fixture in the test side" ....


I agree. He, like Stu McGill, was an intellectual, who never fit in with the beer swilling, sledging, oafish bogan culture that blights the Australian team, and was excluded as a result.

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you have to be prepared to choke down half a mile of sky blue cock or you're going fucking nowhere.


Except he played for NSW before he moved to mapland. And was picked after he left. See real reason above.

1 hundred from 32 innings and a test average of 31 had nothing to do with it?


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fraz wrote:
I read the first two paragraphs and thought "I'm going to post something about Ed Cowan, because he should have spent at least the last five years as a fixture in the test side" ....


I agree. He, like Stu McGill, was an intellectual, who never fit in with the beer swilling, sledging, oafish bogan culture that blights the Australian team, and was excluded as a result.

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you have to be prepared to choke down half a mile of sky blue cock or you're going fucking nowhere.


Except he played for NSW before he moved to mapland. And was picked after he left. See real reason above.

1 hundred from 32 innings and a test average of 31 had nothing to do with it?



He played about 18 tests in 18 months, and was dumped and was never given a chance to settle in.

Steve Waugh only hit 3 centuries, at an average of 36 plus change in his first 46 games. His average went down after the 1989 tour. But the selectors back then stuck with him, although I think he was dropped briefly in the Windies at one point (and Afghanistan got his spot). He was one of the lads. Cowan, was not.


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These plum. Seriously. What the fudge.

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Tim Paine will play his first Test match in more than seven years as part of an extraordinary Australian Ashes team selection to face England at the Gabba.

Cameron Bancroft's rich vein of recent domestic form has eclipsed the worth of Matt Renshaw's sturdy first 10 Tests, while the 34-year-old Shaun Marsh is set to make yet another return to the Australia batting order.

On Thursday Paine was fielding minus gloves for Tasmania at the MCG in a Sheffield Shield match as the Test incumbent Matthew Wade stood behind the stumps. But by early evening word had circulated of the selectors' decision to reinstate Paine in place of Wade for his first Test since Bengaluru in 2010.

At the time he was touted as a future captain, before a horrid finger fracture in a Twenty20 exhibition match took Paine to the brink of retirement. His meritorious return to the game was recognised earlier this year with a recall as Australia's T20 wicketkeeper, and ahead of the Ashes the selector Mark Waugh had revealed the 32-year-old was back in the Test mix despite being in the same state as Wade, who moved from Victoria to Tasmania in the off-season.

"Matthew Wade did a pretty good job in the subcontinent, he's had some tough places to keep on in Bangladesh and India, he's done a pretty good job without scoring the runs," Waugh said in October. "He's disappointed with his scoring of runs since he's been back in, because that was one of the reasons we brought him back, to get some runs out of that middle to lower order.

"That hasn't happened, so he hasn't nailed that down, so that opens a spot up for conjecture. Peter Nevill's definitely there or thereabouts, we've got a young guy in Alex Carey who's making good inroads, and even someone like Tim Paine, his glovework's been excellent when he's been given the chance in the T20s, it's just that he's probably not going to be playing for Tasmania, so that makes it a bit difficult for him, but I think we've got the depth there."

Paine's selection will not only displace Wade but also Peter Nevill, a more recent Test gloveman who was considered likely to resume in a team where Australia have moved from choosing an allrounder at No. 6 to picking the best six batsmen in deference to a strong visiting bowling attack.

At the same time Renshaw's omission and Marsh's inclusion will raise eyebrows given the Cricket Australia Board's instruction to the selectors last November to look for longer term, youthful options. Several players of similar age and with similar records to Marsh have either not entered selection calculations or not even been chosen for their states. Ed Cowan and Michael Klinger were dropped for New South Wales and Western Australia, while the Tasmanian pair of George Bailey and Alex Doolan have not figured in discussions.

The selection changes have already caused a stir in the Australian cricket community, not unlike the changes made to the team on the eve of the 2010-11 Ashes series. In the words of Jamie Cox, a selector at that time, "You're only right if you win."


TEST SQUAD: David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (c), Peter Handscomb, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Nathan Lyon, Josh Hazlewood, Jackson Bird, Chadd Sayers


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Also; Wade, Nevill and Carey are all pants. There is one option and one option only for gloveman and there is a 100% guarantee that the selectors will ignore him. Tim Paine.


David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (c), Peter Handscomb, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Chadd Sayers, Jackson Bird.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Bindi wrote:
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Also; Wade, Nevill and Carey are all pants. There is one option and one option only for gloveman and there is a 100% guarantee that the selectors will ignore him. Tim Paine.


David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (c), Peter Handscomb, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Chadd Sayers, Jackson Bird.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He hasn't scored a first class century since 2006. Don't even know if he has a first class average of 30. Kept twice at Shield level in the last three years. I am incredibly stoked.


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Dumbledore wrote:
Bindi wrote:
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Also; Wade, Nevill and Carey are all pants. There is one option and one option only for gloveman and there is a 100% guarantee that the selectors will ignore him. Tim Paine.


David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (c), Peter Handscomb, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Chadd Sayers, Jackson Bird.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He hasn't scored a first class century since 2006. Don't even know if he has a first class average of 30. Kept twice at Shield level in the last three years. I am incredibly stoked.


That was his one and only 1st class ton - actually went on to make it a double. Averages just under 30.


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Dumbledore wrote:
Bindi wrote:
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Also; Wade, Nevill and Carey are all pants. There is one option and one option only for gloveman and there is a 100% guarantee that the selectors will ignore him. Tim Paine.


David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (c), Peter Handscomb, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Chadd Sayers, Jackson Bird.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He hasn't scored a first class century since 2006. Don't even know if he has a first class average of 30. Kept twice at Shield level in the last three years. I am incredibly stoked.


Leaving the keeper pick aside, what do you think about Marsh S. batting at 4th drop?


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Ellafan wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:
Bindi wrote:
fraz wrote:
Also; Wade, Nevill and Carey are all pants. There is one option and one option only for gloveman and there is a 100% guarantee that the selectors will ignore him. Tim Paine.


David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (c), Peter Handscomb, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Chadd Sayers, Jackson Bird.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He hasn't scored a first class century since 2006. Don't even know if he has a first class average of 30. Kept twice at Shield level in the last three years. I am incredibly stoked.


Leaving the keeper pick aside, what do you think about Marsh S. batting at 4th drop?

Deranged but unsurprising. The selectors are lying plum, theres no rhyme or reason to anything they do. 34 is too old to be considered unless your name is Marsh apparently. You just know his series is going to go 3, 0, 7, 2, 9, 115, 0, 5, 89. I love that they're trying to stabilise the middle-order by picking one of the flakiest, most unreliable, plums we've ever seen, and a keeper who was about to retire to go work for Kookaburra and doesn't even average 30 in FIRST CLASS cricket. We're in for some absolutely spectacular collapses.


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Dumbledore wrote:
Ellafan wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:
Bindi wrote:
fraz wrote:
Also; Wade, Nevill and Carey are all pants. There is one option and one option only for gloveman and there is a 100% guarantee that the selectors will ignore him. Tim Paine.


David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Usman Khawaja, Steve Smith (c), Peter Handscomb, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Chadd Sayers, Jackson Bird.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He hasn't scored a first class century since 2006. Don't even know if he has a first class average of 30. Kept twice at Shield level in the last three years. I am incredibly stoked.


Leaving the keeper pick aside, what do you think about Marsh S. batting at 4th drop?

Deranged but unsurprising. The selectors are lying plum, theres no rhyme or reason to anything they do. 34 is too old to be considered unless your name is Marsh apparently. You just know his series is going to go 3, 0, 7, 2, 9, 115, 0, 5, 89. I love that they're trying to stabilise the middle-order by picking one of the flakiest, most unreliable, plums we've ever seen, and a keeper who was about to retire to go work for Kookaburra and doesn't even average 30 in FIRST CLASS cricket. We're in for some absolutely spectacular collapses.



So, if the top order does well enough, and Starc and Cummins get a 50 between them each game, our spectacular 5/6/7 group will play the whole series?

It would be good if the poms win one of the first couple of tests, quite frankly, but then they'll probably drop Khawaja, because he wants to wear a shirt without beer advertising on it.


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Tough series to call with two talented but flawed sides - but I'd certainly have Australia as favourites at home.

Both teams have issues in their batting - Australia more so with their middle order, England with their top order and now weakened by the loss of Stokes - meaning they now have a bit more of a tail. Some runs, for Malan and Stoneman, in the warm up matches have been encouraging - but Cummins/Starc and Hazelwood will be a different proposition - and Vince remains unconvincing as the option at 3. Classy player but prone to lapses in concentration and just not tight enough in defence around off stump.

Aus rely heavily on their top order - the selection of Marsh and Paine (at 6 and 7) is risky and they now have a rookie coming in to open in place of Renshaw. If England are to win games - that's where they'll need to press home an advantage.

Both sides have excellent seam attacks but, in Aus, the extra pace in the home attack could prove vital - they also have the added variation of the left arm pace. It remains to be seen how effective England's attack will be on pitches down under. Aus also have the advantage in terms of spinners - Lyon has become a quality operator at test level - Moeen will certainly be targetted.

The key will be how well England cope with express pace - and whether the Aus bowlers stay fit.


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A well reasoned and expressed post, Ovallball.

To paraphrase Mr Trueman, that were wasted on the likes of this site.


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It doesn't matter who the Aussies pick as batsmen. England will be fielding the worst batting line up I can remember. Even our best player has a habit of looking like Bradman until he gets to 50 and Chris Martin afterwards.

Our median score for the loss of the 4th wicket will be below 100. Our still decent tail will get us to 200-odd reasonably frequently, but it won't be close to enough for our bowlers to defend in Australian conditions. We will have at least a couple of proper collapses though and so I'd put money on us being all out for less than 100 at least twice over the series.

I can't remember feeling this downbeat about England's test team for a long time (possibly ever - even the 90s didn't seem this bad). It is as if the selectors have just given up.


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It doesn't matter who the Aussies pick as batsmen. England will be fielding the worst batting line up I can remember. Even our best player has a habit of looking like Bradman until he gets to 50 and Chris Martin afterwards.

Our median score for the loss of the 4th wicket will be below 100. Our still decent tail will get us to 200-odd reasonably frequently, but it won't be close to enough for our bowlers to defend in Australian conditions. We will have at least a couple of proper collapses though and so I'd put money on us being all out for less than 100 at least twice over the series.

I can't remember feeling this downbeat about England's test team for a long time (possibly ever - even the 90s didn't seem this bad). It is as if the selectors have just given up.


We've had far worse batting line ups than this squad. We've had equally poor top orders with far weaker middle/tails. Losing Stokes is a big blow to the batting though.


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It doesn't matter who the Aussies pick as batsmen. England will be fielding the worst batting line up I can remember. Even our best player has a habit of looking like Bradman until he gets to 50 and Chris Martin afterwards.

Our median score for the loss of the 4th wicket will be below 100. Our still decent tail will get us to 200-odd reasonably frequently, but it won't be close to enough for our bowlers to defend in Australian conditions. We will have at least a couple of proper collapses though and so I'd put money on us being all out for less than 100 at least twice over the series.

I can't remember feeling this downbeat about England's test team for a long time (possibly ever - even the 90s didn't seem this bad). It is as if the selectors have just given up.


We've had far worse batting line ups than this squad. We've had equally poor top orders with far weaker middle/tails. Losing Stokes is a big blow to the batting though.


The strength of our lower order batting is they only way we've been able to scramble to a decent score for the last year or so. Our top order going into the Ashes:

Cook (who seems perennially out of form apart from when he makes a century once per series.)
A never ending supply of not quite good enough (or rank hopeless) opening partners.
[Generic county standard batsman with technical weakness who averages in the 30s]
Root (who seems to average 55 with a standard deviation of about 5)
[Generic county standard batsman with technical weakness who averages in the 30s]
[Generic county standard batsman with technical weakness who averages in the 30s]

I really struggle to think of a weaker line up.


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On the wicketkeeper argument - I think the days of the specialist keeper making ti as an international are pretty much numbered. You might get one here or there. Players are such good athletes these days compared to the height of the specialist keeper era that teams lose little in picking a "part-timer" and gain a hell of a lot in terms of batting. It also opens up the field to more potential Test-class batsmen.


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I can't remember feeling this downbeat about England's test team for a long time (possibly ever - even the 90s didn't seem this bad).


Your lineup in the 90s would have been quiet decent had Knight, Ramprakash and Hick reached their potential as test cricketers.


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It doesn't matter who the Aussies pick as batsmen. England will be fielding the worst batting line up I can remember. Even our best player has a habit of looking like Bradman until he gets to 50 and Chris Martin afterwards.

Our median score for the loss of the 4th wicket will be below 100. Our still decent tail will get us to 200-odd reasonably frequently, but it won't be close to enough for our bowlers to defend in Australian conditions. We will have at least a couple of proper collapses though and so I'd put money on us being all out for less than 100 at least twice over the series.

I can't remember feeling this downbeat about England's test team for a long time (possibly ever - even the 90s didn't seem this bad). It is as if the selectors have just given up.


We've had far worse batting line ups than this squad. We've had equally poor top orders with far weaker middle/tails. Losing Stokes is a big blow to the batting though.


The strength of our lower order batting is they only way we've been able to scramble to a decent score for the last year or so. Our top order going into the Ashes:

Cook (who seems perennially out of form apart from when he makes a century once per series.)
A never ending supply of not quite good enough (or rank hopeless) opening partners.
[Generic county standard batsman with technical weakness who averages in the 30s]
Root (who seems to average 55 with a standard deviation of about 5)
[Generic county standard batsman with technical weakness who averages in the 30s]
[Generic county standard batsman with technical weakness who averages in the 30s]

I really struggle to think of a weaker line up.


Well in the proposed top 6;

You have England's leading, ever, run scorer in tests, the best batsman we've produced since Ken Barrington, and one of the best bats in the last year (Bairstow).

I can think of quite a few England Line ups that wouldn't come close to those riches, let alone also have proper batsman at 7 and more than capable all rounder at 8.

That's not to say that they couldn't be blown away by a battery of quicks.


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I can't wait.

Don't fancy England's chances at all but hopefully it will be a competitive series.


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I don't expect Cook to offer much if the Aussie quicks are bowling well. Hope they're not.


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Shoutout to the Aussie woman's cricket team for winning and retaining the Ashes :thumbup: :thumbdown: :thumbup:

Some of the Aussie men's team selection is just mind-boggling stuff. #wtf


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:29 am 
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JM2K6 wrote:
On the wicketkeeper argument - I think the days of the specialist keeper making ti as an international are pretty much numbered. You might get one here or there. Players are such good athletes these days compared to the height of the specialist keeper era that teams lose little in picking a "part-timer" and gain a hell of a lot in terms of batting. It also opens up the field to more potential Test-class batsmen.

Paine doesn't even average 20 over the last four seasons. Ian Healy, who knows as much about keepers in this country as anyone, says he's probably about as good a keeper as Neville. Anyway, whatever, time to bring this back

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:33 am 
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Rod Marsh resigning as as a selector hasn't stopped the arrogance and out of touch behaviour Hohns is continuing with Smith obviously a yes man and told to do as your paid to do.....get behind the selectors who have an elevated pedestal the winter sports here dont have.
If we lose due to poor team make ups they will release the spin machine in quick time.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:52 am 
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theo wrote:
I can't wait.

Don't fancy England's chances at all but hopefully it will be a competitive series.


I'm hoping England get up in the first (or at least second) test so the Aus selectors get cleaned out, along with the dead wood in the team. Shaun Marsh, FFS.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:24 am 
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Ellafan wrote:
theo wrote:
I can't wait.

Don't fancy England's chances at all but hopefully it will be a competitive series.


I'm hoping England get up in the first (or at least second) test so the Aus selectors get cleaned out, along with the dead wood in the team. Shaun Marsh, FFS.


You want Australia to lose at the Gabba? fudge you you f**king plum.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:31 am 
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Anyone caught Nathan Lyon in The Times today? It's... interesting. I shudder to think what the reaction would be if an Englishman said some of the things he's said.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:32 am 
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Anyone caught Nathan Lyon in The Times today? It's... interesting. I shudder to think what the reaction would be if an Englishman said some of the things he's said.


What specifically caused you to take offence?


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I didn't take offence - very few things offend me. Mildly amused would be nearer the emotion. It was all a bit boxing trash talk.


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Mahoney wrote:
I didn't take offence - very few things offend me. Mildly amused would be nearer the emotion. It was all a bit boxing trash talk.


Something he said made you rush to this thread and post like a little bitch; just wondering what elicited such a strong reaction.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:47 am 
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If that's how you're going to react to someone saying "Lyon's comments in the Times are interesting" then god help us if England actually manages to win a match. Wind your neck in ffs.


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If that's how you're going to react to someone saying "Lyon's comments in the Times are interesting" then god help us if England actually manages to win a match. Wind your neck in ffs.


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I shudder to think what the reaction would be if an Englishman said some of the things he's said.


Just imagine! I'm shuddering too, if that helps.


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Mahoney wrote:
I didn't take offence - very few things offend me. Mildly amused would be nearer the emotion. It was all a bit boxing trash talk.


Agreed. Jesus this Aussie side certainly talks a good game. It just doesn't sound as menacing coming from a spinner.


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Simple statements of fact from Lyons. Johnson destroyed England utterly last Ashes in Oz. Don't see how that's controversial.

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Asked if he thought Australia could end England careers again, Lyon said: "I hope so. I didn't end any careers. Mitchell Johnson ended them.
Johnson's 37 Ashes wickets in 2013-14

"If you ask him he'll say it was quite satisfying if you look at his past, the pressures the English put him under with the Barmy Army and everything.

"I know Root got dropped last time when he was here, so it'd be good to get him dropped again wouldn't it? If we can start by opening up that crack, it's pretty crucial.

"There's a lot of scars for the English guys, especially coming over here, especially when we have two guys bowling 150ks not just one now."

Lyon took particular aim at Prior, who resumed his career after the Ashes to play four more Tests before, by claiming he wanted to fly home before the Perth Test.

"Being part of that squad (in 2013-14) was unbelievable, and it's one of my fondest series," Lyon told the English press corps on Monday. "Seeing Mitchell Johnson scare all the Poms was unbelievable. You could sense the fear.

"I was at leg slip and I nearly had to push a couple of the guys back towards the stumps.

"It was an unbelievable feeling knowing that they were broken.

"Leading into Perth we knew that they were, we knew Matt Prior wanted to fly home before the game started and he was one of the senior players.

"He was scared. It's four years ago. I think he's alright now."


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Ellafan wrote:
theo wrote:
I can't wait.

Don't fancy England's chances at all but hopefully it will be a competitive series.


I'm hoping England get up in the first (or at least second) test so the Aus selectors get cleaned out, along with the dead wood in the team. Shaun Marsh, FFS.

Is there a Sydney Uni player that should be there?


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