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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:29 am 
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There's a kind of mass amnesia in English cricket at the moment when it comes to how poor we've been in Test series for some time.

Presumably you mean away test series?


No - losing a Test to the WI, drawing with Pakistan, drawing with NZ, losing to Sri Lanka all happened in the last few years at home. Coupled with our appalling away record where we struggle to win a match and we're really not that hot.

If it wasn't for our successes against the Saffers...


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Covers off. Toss at 11.00am local time - play will start 11.30 that's in about 45 mins


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Credit where it's due, Mark Nicholas at least willing to point out the obvious with Maxwell - that he's not getting picked because he's not 'gelling with the team' ie. he's not one of Smith's mates.


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JM2K6 wrote:
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There's a kind of mass amnesia in English cricket at the moment when it comes to how poor we've been in Test series for some time.

Presumably you mean away test series?


No - losing a Test to the WI, drawing with Pakistan, drawing with NZ, losing to Sri Lanka all happened in the last few years at home. Coupled with our appalling away record where we struggle to win a match and we're really not that hot.

If it wasn't for our successes against the Saffers...


Not quite as bad as you make out - we actually beat SL 2/0 last time they were here. It's been a bit patchy but our home record isn't too bad.


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Credit where it's due, Mark Nicholas at least willing to point out the obvious with Maxwell - that he's not getting picked because he's not 'gelling with the team' ie. he's not one of Smith's mates.


And his average over the last 20 ODIs has been a bit shabby - just 20 I think.


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Covers off. Toss at 11.00am local time - play will start 11.30 that's in about 45 mins


Covers going back on :frown:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:14 am 
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COULD SOMEONE SHOOT BOYCOTT. PLEASE.


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Credit where it's due, Mark Nicholas at least willing to point out the obvious with Maxwell - that he's not getting picked because he's not 'gelling with the team' ie. he's not one of Smith's mates.


And his average over the last 20 ODIs has been a bit shabby - just 20 I think.

Really? Not hugely surprising tbh. He's always been a better T20 and four-day player than an ODI guy, his dominance in the World Cup was unusual. But still, that's not what's going on.

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"I think just looking at the way he trains I think he could train a little bit smarter," Smith said. "We've all seen the way Glenn can come out and play and do all his funky stuff and be pretty cool with that, but when he puts his head down he's actually a really good batsman, as we've seen in Shield cricket he's got some big runs there.

"If he keeps his head switched on and trains really well and focuses on basic things more so than the expansive things, then I think that'll help him have his consistency and if he's having those consistent performances he's certainly a person you want in your team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... e-recalled

Actually has your bit about his average over the last little while, so that probably does have something to do with it, but it doesn't really suit my narrative so I'm going to stick with Steve Smith being a plum :thumbup:


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Credit where it's due, Mark Nicholas at least willing to point out the obvious with Maxwell - that he's not getting picked because he's not 'gelling with the team' ie. he's not one of Smith's mates.


And his average over the last 20 ODIs has been a bit shabby - just 20 I think.

Really? Not hugely surprising tbh. He's always been a better T20 and four-day player than an ODI guy, his dominance in the World Cup was unusual. But still, that's not what's going on.

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"I think just looking at the way he trains I think he could train a little bit smarter," Smith said. "We've all seen the way Glenn can come out and play and do all his funky stuff and be pretty cool with that, but when he puts his head down he's actually a really good batsman, as we've seen in Shield cricket he's got some big runs there.

"If he keeps his head switched on and trains really well and focuses on basic things more so than the expansive things, then I think that'll help him have his consistency and if he's having those consistent performances he's certainly a person you want in your team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... e-recalled

Actually has your bit about his average over the last little while, so that probably does have something to do with it, but it doesn't really suit my narrative so I'm going to stick with Steve Smith being a plum :thumbup:


Agreed - reading between the lines I think Smith is saying that Maxwell doesn't fit in with the current team ethos.


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Credit where it's due, Mark Nicholas at least willing to point out the obvious with Maxwell - that he's not getting picked because he's not 'gelling with the team' ie. he's not one of Smith's mates.

Yeah but his fluff pieces (like now during rain) sound like they have been read by Shaun Micallef in piss take mode.
I see Ian Chappell doesn't even bother sitting out in the Ashes desk on the ground with his bowls hat anymore, Bill Lawry can only speak in catchphrases or gush about Melbourne, looks to now only the the Ch Nein next gen out front of the cameras.
Don't think Warnie likes Nicholas either.
If you were marooned on an island with Michael Clarke or 30mins stuck in a lift for that matter.......would you kill yourself?
Some say the Big Bash commentary team is better but I don't watch it.


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Credit where it's due, Mark Nicholas at least willing to point out the obvious with Maxwell - that he's not getting picked because he's not 'gelling with the team' ie. he's not one of Smith's mates.

Yeah but his fluff pieces (like now during rain) sound like they have been read by Shaun Micallef in piss take mode.
I see Ian Chappell doesn't even bother sitting out in the Ashes desk on the ground with his bowls hat anymore, Bill Lawry can only speak in catchphrases or gush about Melbourne, looks to now only the the Ch Nein next gen out front of the cameras.
Don't think Warnie likes Nicholas either.
If you were marooned on an island with Michael Clarke or 30mins stuck in a lift for that matter.......would you kill yourself?
Some say the Big Bash commentary team is better but I don't watch it.

They're marginally better, but I can deal with about five minutes of KP before wanting to neck myself. Holy fudge is he awful.

That Geoff Lemon piece from a couple of seasons back about them being the matiest mates that ever mated is the best bit of cricket writing in the last five years .


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What's the pitch looking like Ellafan?


Don't know. The covers are still on it.

Hearsay says a little bit of grass to encourage the quicks on days 1-2, but not enough to discourage the spinners on days 4-5.

Thing is, it is not only currently drizzly wet and below 20 degrees, but it is humid and overcast as well, with the next two days forecast as overcast, 60+% humidity at a steamy 27- 30 degrees.

I suspect who-ever wins the toss will think about putting the the side in, but probably bat today rather than tomorrow.


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They're marginally better, but I can deal with about five minutes of KP before wanting to neck myself. Holy fudge is he awful.

:lol: Yes. Yes, he is.


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Headingly used to be a good deck for the fast men. In 1989, Au went in with 4 pacemen - Alderman, Rackemann, Hughes and Campbell.


Rackemann didn’t play in any tests on the 89 tour.


Geoff Lawson?


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Covers off, then back on again.

Early lunch being taken at 12.00 local time.

Bloody Aussie weather :x


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It's stopped raining, covers coming off, toss in about 20 minutes, start re-scheduled to about 30 minutes after that.


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40min away Eng to bat...oooohhh


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Decent grass cover on the pitch. They reckon it will spin later on


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Decent grass cover on the pitch. They reckon it will spin later on


Doesn't look to have a great deal of pace in it - might speed up as the test goes on, if the sun stays out.

Like wise with the outfield - slow at the moment but will probably dry out.


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Rubbish from Australia, they look completely disinterested. Starc and Lyon bowling pies.


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I thought that there is a little bit in the pitch for the pace bowlers early, but the Aust quicks didn't bowl the right length - too much short stuff (one peach from Starc aside). Cook looking settled and on the way to another ton. It probably helps the batsmen that they are playing two long sessions either side of the tea break.


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That was a poor ball from Cummins - short and wide - which deserved to be cut to the boundary. Instead Vince plays the wrong height and top edges to Paine.

Vince will be mildly annoyed with himself there.

Root comes out and demonstrates how to play the shot correctly. 4.


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Vince is Shaun Marsh all over again. Good luck England supporters :thumbup:


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Cook is gone and England are in a bit of trouble. Root will need more than just another 50 here.


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Good review from Oz ... 3 down, slowly making some impact.


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Heazlewood finally puts it in the right area, and gets it to come back a little and straighten up.

Anderson and Broad will probably bend it round corners in the humidity tomorrow.


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Just clocking in now from the beachside bar so noone gets their knickers in a knot about Kiwis and posting rules.


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Just clocking in now from the beachside bar so noone gets their knickers in a knot about Kiwis and posting rules.

I hope you're ready to compare the relative merits of cheating as done by the Australian cricket team and by the New Zealand rugby team


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Just clocking in now from the beachside bar so noone gets their knickers in a knot about Kiwis and posting rules.

:thumbup: Noted. Its evenly poised or even a slight ascendency to Australia so should England get into a position of strength, you have earned the right to a couple of suitably modest comments on the state of the game/aspects of play.


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Just clocking in now from the beachside bar so noone gets their knickers in a knot about Kiwis and posting rules.

I hope you're ready to compare the relative merits of cheating as done by the Australian cricket team and by the New Zealand rugby team


And don't forget the relative merits of the pitches at Eden Park and Sophia Gardens.


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Dirk Nannes having a Mah-assive whinge about Maxwell not being selected.


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Dirk Nannes having a Mah-assive whinge about Maxwell not being selected.

Unlike Geeves, Nannes isn’t a complete plum. What did he have to say?


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Just clocking in now from the beachside bar so noone gets their knickers in a knot about Kiwis and posting rules.

We'll put you down as the first of the Needyness to arrive.


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Dirk Nannes having a Mah-assive whinge about Maxwell not being selected.

He is terrible, awful voice for radio.


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Dirk Nannes having a Mah-assive whinge about Maxwell not being selected.

Unlike Geeves, Nannes isn’t a complete plum. What did he have to say?

Went on for a good 10 minutes.

No Victorians in the side when they've bossed the Shield.

Lynn is mediocre and hasn't played much 50-over cricket.

Inconsistent selection policy, Steve Smith's a carnt ... dot dot dot. Nuthin' unusual. :P


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Heazlewood finally puts it in the right area, and gets it to come back a little and straighten up.

Anderson and Broad will probably bend it round corners in the humidity tomorrow.

They will find it very difficult getting 20 Aussie wickets. Still the best bet is 2/1 the draw and 2/1 and England win. Take them both and that's evens.


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kiap wrote:
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Dirk Nannes having a Mah-assive whinge about Maxwell not being selected.

Unlike Geeves, Nannes isn’t a complete plum. What did he have to say?

Went on for a good 10 minutes.

No Victorians in the side when they've bossed the Shield.

Lynn is mediocre and hasn't played much 50-over cricket.

Inconsistent selection policy, Steve Smith's a carnt ... dot dot dot. Nuthin' unusual. :P

All extremely correct :thumbup:


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Dumbledore wrote:
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Dirk Nannes having a Mah-assive whinge about Maxwell not being selected.

Unlike Geeves, Nannes isn’t a complete plum. What did he have to say?

Went on for a good 10 minutes.

No Victorians in the side when they've bossed the Shield.

Lynn is mediocre and hasn't played much 50-over cricket.

Inconsistent selection policy, Steve Smith's a carnt ... dot dot dot. Nuthin' unusual. :P

All extremely correct :thumbup:

Dirk leaves no stone unturned. :thumbup:


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Jimmy: "Me thinks Smith needs to train smarter and more consistently when it comes to fielding and catching. Maybe he could ask the best fielder in the country for help." Ouch

Some quality work from the cricinfo commentariat


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