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There’s an interesting addition to the England’s backroom team.

Those lady spirits sound nasty.

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Manu Tuilagi has been to Samoa to see a witchdoctor

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8 NOVEMBER 2017 • 10:00 PM
Manu Tuilagi has revealed that he visited a witchdoctor back in Samoa last week in a bid to end the nightmare run of injuries that have recently plagued his career.

The Leicester Tigers centre suffered a left knee injury in the first game of the season at home to Bath, sidelining him until December.

Speaking ahead of BT Sport’s Rugby Tonight, Tuilagi revealed that he visited the witchdoctor over four days on the island of ‘Upolu.

“That's why I went home, just for that,” said Tuilagi. “I saw the witchdoctor for four days - two hours a day. It's a spiritual thing. My mum spoke to her and asked for her help. Before I got out there she had found out what the illness was.

“Then when I went out there she massaged my whole body. All I needed was a towel and a Fijian oil. The witchdoctor was half Fijian and half Samoan and she found out that there were three lady spirits who had married themselves onto me for the last three years.

Tuilagi was earlier ruled out for seven months in January after injuring his right knee, and has not appeared in a Test for England since 2014 having also suffered injuries to his chest and groin.

“The witchdoctor said that was why I had been injured,” Tuilagi explained. “The spirits wanted me for themselves - they wanted to punish me and that was the way to do it. Every time I played - bang!

Tuilagi was ruled out for seven months after getting injured playing for Leicester in January
Tuilagi was ruled out for seven months after getting injured playing for Leicester in January CREDIT: PA
“Instead of beating my physically they made sure I was injured. But that is gone now and that is why I had the whole body massages - to block the spirits from me.

“They can't see and find me now - but maybe when it comes out in the newspaper they will know again?!

“This is the first time I have done it. The witchdoctors are there for the illnesses that the hospitals can't cure.”


Tuilagi agreed the witchdoctor visit with Leicester head coach Matt O’Connor and club physio Ed Hollis, continuing his rehab from the left knee strain while back in Samoa.

His brother Alesana, a former Samoa international who made over 100 appearances for Leicester, was tasked with accompanying Manu throughout the process.

“I did my program, pilates, physio, rehab which I would do after seeing the witchdoctor,” added Tuilagi.

“The witchdoctor was on a different island called ‘Upolu. My island is Savai’i. I'd get the ferry, which is about an hour, and visited the witchdoctor from Monday to Thursday with my brother Alex.

Tuilagi has had plenty of problems with injury
Tuilagi has had plenty of problems with injury CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
“The conditions of the treatment meant I wasn't able to go anywhere on my own. I was always with my brother Alex and his family.

“I wasn't allowed to sleep in the room by myself so me and Alex set up a little camp in the living room in front of the TV.

“In most of these cases back home, the girls end up taking their victims alive and will never be seen. There are male spirits too, but the witchdoctor said I was too handsome!”

Tuilagi also endorsed Mako Vunipola’s proposal for the England matchday squad to donate £1,000 to the Samoan players, after the Samoan president Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi announced on Wednesday that the Samoan Rugby Union was facing bankruptcy.

“Mako Vunipola’s suggestion for the England players to donate £1,000 each is very good, Tuilagi enthused. “The money would go straight to the players, instead of to the Samoan Rugby Union, because if that happened it would be the exact same thing as before. The players will not see a penny.

“The issue is the people who are running the game in Samoa, across the islands. The problem is internal. If we are given money [now] then the problem will still be there. “It has saddened me to hear about it. We need change, people who can manage and run the SRU. A mixture of the home nations and people from World Rugby.”


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Is it April 1st in Samoa ?


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Is it April 1st in Samoa ?


Wonder what Rob Andrew thinks of it all.


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Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...

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YOYO wrote:
Leinster in London wrote:
Is it April 1st in Samoa ?


Wonder what Rob Andrew thinks of it all.


And Glenn Hoddle.


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It worked for Naholo.


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The Native wrote:
It worked for Naholo.


that guy only used herbal medicines on him, not some bullshit about being cursed lol


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It worked for Naholo.


Not sure if serious.
his recovery was at the lower end of the normal range for recovery without treatment.
He also didn't look completely healed when he went back.

I don't doubt herbal medicine can be effective, but I wouldn't use this case to prove anything.


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“In most of these cases back home, the girls end up taking their victims alive and will never be seen."


:uhoh:


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They can't see and find me now - but maybe when it comes out in the newspaper they will know again?!


Do spirits read newspapers?


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He's not really an England player at this point tbh. He's barely a Leicester Tigers player


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He's not really an England player at this point tbh. He's barely a Leicester Tigers player


Or very English...
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Tuilagi agreed the witchdoctor visit with Leicester head coach Matt O’Connor and club physio Ed Hollis,

They obviously didn't see any harm in it and maybe even thought it might do him some good if he believes it will help. The placebo effect definitely exists, even if its efficacy is dubious


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Nieghorn wrote:
Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...



Yes it's really no different to visiting the chiropractor, the osteopath, the homeopath, the "functional neurologist", using cupping, acupuncture, cranial sacral massage or any other middle class witchery that has become popular these days


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All sounds very reasonable to me


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Great to see traditional English remedies being used


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deadduck wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...



Yes it's really no different to visiting the chiropractor, the osteopath, the homeopath, the "functional neurologist", using cupping, acupuncture, cranial sacral massage or any other middle class witchery that has become popular these days



Acupuncture eh? Oesteopath eh?


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deadduck wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...



Yes it's really no different to visiting the chiropractor, the osteopath, the homeopath, the "functional neurologist", using cupping, acupuncture, cranial sacral massage or any other middle class witchery that has become popular these days



Acupuncture eh? Oesteopath eh?


Oh dear Bimbo


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Duff Paddy wrote:
bimboman wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...



Yes it's really no different to visiting the chiropractor, the osteopath, the homeopath, the "functional neurologist", using cupping, acupuncture, cranial sacral massage or any other middle class witchery that has become popular these days



Acupuncture eh? Oesteopath eh?


Oh dear Bimbo



Well both work Duff. I'm not sure people know what an oesteopath actually does.


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bimboman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
bimboman wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...



Yes it's really no different to visiting the chiropractor, the osteopath, the homeopath, the "functional neurologist", using cupping, acupuncture, cranial sacral massage or any other middle class witchery that has become popular these days



Acupuncture eh? Oesteopath eh?


Oh dear Bimbo



Well both work Duff. I'm not sure people know what an oesteopath actually does.


When you say that they both work, what exactly do they do?
And how does that compare to how they claim to work?

As that's the key difference between an alternative treatment that seems to have benefits, and something that is credible medical science.


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When you say that they both work, what exactly do they do?
And how does that compare to how they claim to work?

As that's the key difference between an alternative treatment that seems to have benefits, and something that is credible medical science.


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I've never heard any "claims " from either an accupuncturist or Oesteopath. Mine work with Doctors and physio's.

There's credible science behind both btw.


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bimboman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
bimboman wrote:
deadduck wrote:
Nieghorn wrote:
Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...



Yes it's really no different to visiting the chiropractor, the osteopath, the homeopath, the "functional neurologist", using cupping, acupuncture, cranial sacral massage or any other middle class witchery that has become popular these days



Acupuncture eh? Oesteopath eh?


Oh dear Bimbo



Well both work Duff. I'm not sure people know what an oesteopath actually does.


There might be some limited benefit for some osteopathy massage for back pain but most of them are complete quacks. Acupuncture has no evidence base, that’s widely accepted at this stage.


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bimboman wrote:
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When you say that they both work, what exactly do they do?
And how does that compare to how they claim to work?

As that's the key difference between an alternative treatment that seems to have benefits, and something that is credible medical science.


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I've never heard any "claims " from either an accupuncturist or Oesteopath. Mine work with Doctors and physio's.


Acupuncture has been shown to work, but it doesn't appear that where they actually stick the needles makes a difference... so it's basically placebo effect. A convincing placebo effect is pretty effective, and acupuncture has all the necessary bits and pieces to maximise it. Generally a professional looking layout, convincing pseudo-science background, direct human contact (which is just healthy by itself).


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There might be some limited benefit for some osteopathy massage for back pain but most of them are complete quacks. Acupuncture has no evidence base, that’s widely accepted at this stage.



"Most" , what absolute nonsense. You've never been to one have you ?


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At this stage of his career i think he'd have drank medicinal piss to get back on the pitch. I'll vouch for the osteopath though, cures my nerve problems from neck injury everytime... go with chronic carpal tunnel type stuff, couple of headlocks later and i can feel my hand again :)


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There might be some limited benefit for some osteopathy massage for back pain but most of them are complete quacks. Acupuncture has no evidence base, that’s widely accepted at this stage.



"Most" , what absolute nonsense. You've never been to one have you ?


What difference would going to one make? I could easily walk into the least quack, or the most quack, osteopath in the country - and that’s the issue with your argument here.


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At this stage of his career i think he'd have drank medicinal piss to get back on the pitch. I'll vouch for the osteopath though, cures my nerve problems from neck injury everytime... go with chronic carpal tunnel type stuff, couple of headlocks later and i can feel my hand again :)



And to be fair if you were in Samoa and you went to the local healer and she cast out some demons and suddenly your knee injury was better, you'd probably vouch for them too.


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Duff Paddy wrote:
bimboman wrote:
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There might be some limited benefit for some osteopathy massage for back pain but most of them are complete quacks. Acupuncture has no evidence base, that’s widely accepted at this stage.



"Most" , what absolute nonsense. You've never been to one have you ?


What difference would going to one make? I could easily walk into the least quack, or the most quack, osteopath in the country - and that’s the issue with your argument here.



Not reall, it's fairly well recognised globally and lots of health system provide its services, you ignorance of that is more the issue I reckon.


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DragsterDriver wrote:
At this stage of his career i think he'd have drank medicinal piss to get back on the pitch. I'll vouch for the osteopath though, cures my nerve problems from neck injury everytime... go with chronic carpal tunnel type stuff, couple of headlocks later and i can feel my hand again :)



And to be fair if you were in Samoa and you went to the local healer and she cast out some demons and suddenly your knee injury was better, you'd probably vouch for them too.



Yeah that's exactly the same. :roll:


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It is exactly the same and that's the point you're failing to grasp


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It is exactly the same and that's the point you're failing to grasp



It isn't though, you could make that argument about physiotherapy as well and it would be nonsense.


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Physiotherapy makes no pseudoscientific claims and is born out of the study of human physiology


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It is exactly the same and that's the point you're failing to grasp



It isn't though, you could make that argument about physiotherapy as well and it would be nonsense.


No you couldn’t because physiotherapy has a robust evidence base


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bimboman wrote:
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It is exactly the same and that's the point you're failing to grasp



It isn't though, you could make that argument about physiotherapy as well and it would be nonsense.


No you couldn’t because physiotherapist has a robust evidence base


Sorry that wasn't your point though, your point was a comparative on feeling better. You seem to be struggling to grasp your own point.


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Could he not have used some credible medical option like homeopathy instead?


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bimboman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
bimboman wrote:
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It is exactly the same and that's the point you're failing to grasp



It isn't though, you could make that argument about physiotherapy as well and it would be nonsense.


No you couldn’t because physiotherapist has a robust evidence base


Sorry that wasn't your point though, your point was a comparative on feeling better. You seem to be struggling to grasp your own point.


:lol: good luck


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bimboman wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
bimboman wrote:
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Nieghorn wrote:
Probably no worse than other pseudoscience peddlers that 'high performance' athletics groups employ...



Yes it's really no different to visiting the chiropractor, the osteopath, the homeopath, the "functional neurologist", using cupping, acupuncture, cranial sacral massage or any other middle class witchery that has become popular these days



Acupuncture eh? Oesteopath eh?


Oh dear Bimbo



Well both work Duff. I'm not sure people know what an oesteopath actually does.


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“Then when I went out there she massaged my whole body. All I needed was a towel and a Fijian oil. The witchdoctor was half Fijian and half Samoan and she found out that there were three lady spirits who had married themselves onto me for the last three years.

Well that's Jonny Wilkinson's injury run solved, he must have had 50 before he escaped to France.


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He's not really an England player at this point tbh. He's barely a Leicester Tigers player


As I've told you all many, many times :smug:


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