Argentina Sub Missing - Another Kursk?
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:17 pm
I hope not.
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Defecting?croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
globus wrote:Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.
Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.
His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.
Tempted to post "Rule 1" but thought the better of it.le chat wrote:Got the argentinians first ever female submariner officer on it...
I have a cloaking device. They will never find me.True Blue wrote:globus wrote:Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.
Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.
His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.
Someone needs to email Microsoft. Their AI Bot is on the fritz again.
Is he in that line of work? If so, I'm with you all the way.CrazyIslander wrote:Hope Puma is ok.
The hope that arose from seven failed satellite calls detected on Saturday morning, which Argentina’s defence ministry at first said could be from the missing submarine, is also dimming fast. The government on Sunday said it could not confirm that the attempts had come from the ARA San Juan.
“Regrettably, we have not yet had any contact with the submarine,” the Argentinian navy spokesman Enrique Balbi said on Sunday morning. The satellite call attempts were registered between 9am and 3pm on Saturday, lasting between four and 36 seconds, but there was no voice contact. “There were seven attempts with a very weak signal that failed to connect,” the officer said. “We are trying to squeeze that information to obtain some concrete data and a geolocation.”
Argentina’s defence ministry said it was working on tracing the location of the calls with an unnamed US company that specialised in satellite communications.
The families of the ARA San Juan’s crew are deeply distressed, and urged the government to clarify the situation. “We want the government to confirm if the calls were from the submarine,” said Claudio Rodríguez, brother of the crew member Hernán Rodríguez, who was travelling on Sunday from his home in the western province of Mendoza to the submarine’s home port in Mar del Plata to join other relatives gathering there in desperate search of news.
They're designed that way.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
Bizarre comment given the circumstances.camroc1 wrote:They're designed that way.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.
The oceans are mahussive and as the man said they are designed to be very very difficult to detect.croyals wrote:Bizarre comment given the circumstances.camroc1 wrote:They're designed that way.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.
And you're going to try and tell me that naval officials don't generally have a reasonable idea where their subs are, particularly in this case where we are looking at a regional navy in peacetime.
They probably have a "reasonable idea" that the sub is in the South Atlantic but...Anonymous. wrote:The oceans are mahussive and as the man said they are designed to be very very difficult to detect.croyals wrote:Bizarre comment given the circumstances.camroc1 wrote:They're designed that way.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.
And you're going to try and tell me that naval officials don't generally have a reasonable idea where their subs are, particularly in this case where we are looking at a regional navy in peacetime.
Europe is 10.18 million km²Yer Man wrote:They probably have a "reasonable idea" that the sub is in the South Atlantic but...Anonymous. wrote:The oceans are mahussive and as the man said they are designed to be very very difficult to detect.croyals wrote:Bizarre comment given the circumstances.camroc1 wrote:They're designed that way.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.
And you're going to try and tell me that naval officials don't generally have a reasonable idea where their subs are, particularly in this case where we are looking at a regional navy in peacetime.
Parklifeglobus wrote:Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.
Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.
His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.
hopefully they turn up soon.Enzedder wrote:Yes guys, Puma is fine. He does have some friends on the sub though so I have my fingers crossed for he and them.
This is the PR equivalent of victim blamingHong Kong wrote:Let’s not do the whole globby gig on this thread.
aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?globus wrote:Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.
Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.
His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.
He was on a Yellow Submarine.backrow wrote:aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?globus wrote:Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.
Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.
His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.
or were you fixing the periscope mechanism you no doubt designed ?
This was quite an old one. Nothing nuclear about it! At the time, if you sailed from Gosport up Portsmouth harbour to Port Solent, there were a whole string of them awaiting the scrap yard.backrow wrote:aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?globus wrote:Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.
Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.
His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.
or were you fixing the periscope mechanism you no doubt designed ?
Not entirely non military but was very surprised when a couple of my mates in the Uni Naval Squadron got to spend some time on one of the attack subs.backrow wrote:aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?globus wrote:Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.croyals wrote:Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.
He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.
Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.
His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.
or were you fixing the periscope mechanism you no doubt designed ?
They have ramped up the search mission considerably. CNN reports that if the sub is intact on the ocean floor, the crew will have about a week before the oxygen runs out.David990 wrote:Royal Navy ship HMS Protector is in the search area and an RAF C-130 based out of RAF Mount Pleasant is conducting surface patrols of the search area
Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.globus wrote: Last word is it might be a comms thing.
Fingers crossed from me too. I don't have much knowledge of underwater comms. I suppose the closest was to have forward facing SONAR. I did get to hear the pings from the ASDIC but expect they have much more sophisticated kit nowadays.Anonymous. wrote:Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.globus wrote: Last word is it might be a comms thing.
I assume the point is if the comms are all that are acting up you can just go up and surface and wait for help so its clearly not just a comms issueglobus wrote:Fingers crossed from me too. I don't have much knowledge of underwater comms. I suppose the closest was to have forward facing SONAR. I did get to hear the pings from the ASDIC but expect they have much more sophisticated kit nowadays.Anonymous. wrote:Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.globus wrote: Last word is it might be a comms thing.
Didn't help in finding the MH370 and that's over 3 years ago and no sign.
Must be like looking for a needle in a haystack in another haystack in yet another haystack etc.
I am interested in most things maritime.
Agreed. Hence call for major concern.sewa wrote:I assume the point is if the comms are all that are acting up you can just go up and surface and wait for help so its clearly not just a comms issueglobus wrote:Fingers crossed from me too. I don't have much knowledge of underwater comms. I suppose the closest was to have forward facing SONAR. I did get to hear the pings from the ASDIC but expect they have much more sophisticated kit nowadays.Anonymous. wrote:Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.globus wrote: Last word is it might be a comms thing.
Didn't help in finding the MH370 and that's over 3 years ago and no sign.
Must be like looking for a needle in a haystack in another haystack in yet another haystack etc.
I am interested in most things maritime.
backrow wrote:Maybe it did a US navy and crashed into the belgrano ?