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Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.


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Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

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Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.


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Got the argentinians first ever female submariner officer on it...


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croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.



Someone needs to email Microsoft. Their AI Bot is on the fritz again.


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Got the argentinians first ever female submariner officer on it...

Tempted to post "Rule 1" but thought the better of it.


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Hope Puma is ok.


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croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.



Someone needs to email Microsoft. Their AI Bot is on the fritz again.

I have a cloaking device. They will never find me.


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Hope Puma is ok.

Is he in that line of work? If so, I'm with you all the way.


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Apparently there has been some communications or they have detected a signal.


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The hope that arose from seven failed satellite calls detected on Saturday morning, which Argentina’s defence ministry at first said could be from the missing submarine, is also dimming fast. The government on Sunday said it could not confirm that the attempts had come from the ARA San Juan.

“Regrettably, we have not yet had any contact with the submarine,” the Argentinian navy spokesman Enrique Balbi said on Sunday morning. The satellite call attempts were registered between 9am and 3pm on Saturday, lasting between four and 36 seconds, but there was no voice contact. “There were seven attempts with a very weak signal that failed to connect,” the officer said. “We are trying to squeeze that information to obtain some concrete data and a geolocation.”
Argentina’s defence ministry said it was working on tracing the location of the calls with an unnamed US company that specialised in satellite communications.

The families of the ARA San Juan’s crew are deeply distressed, and urged the government to clarify the situation. “We want the government to confirm if the calls were from the submarine,” said Claudio Rodríguez, brother of the crew member Hernán Rodríguez, who was travelling on Sunday from his home in the western province of Mendoza to the submarine’s home port in Mar del Plata to join other relatives gathering there in desperate search of news.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:42 am 
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croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

They're designed that way.

Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.


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Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

They're designed that way.

Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.

Bizarre comment given the circumstances.

And you're going to try and tell me that naval officials don't generally have a reasonable idea where their subs are, particularly in this case where we are looking at a regional navy in peacetime.


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croyals wrote:
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croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

They're designed that way.

Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.

Bizarre comment given the circumstances.

And you're going to try and tell me that naval officials don't generally have a reasonable idea where their subs are, particularly in this case where we are looking at a regional navy in peacetime.

The oceans are mahussive and as the man said they are designed to be very very difficult to detect.


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Anonymous. wrote:
croyals wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

They're designed that way.

Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.

Bizarre comment given the circumstances.

And you're going to try and tell me that naval officials don't generally have a reasonable idea where their subs are, particularly in this case where we are looking at a regional navy in peacetime.

The oceans are mahussive and as the man said they are designed to be very very difficult to detect.

They probably have a "reasonable idea" that the sub is in the South Atlantic but...


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croyals wrote:
camroc1 wrote:
croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

They're designed that way.

Therefore not amazing, but deliberate.

Bizarre comment given the circumstances.

And you're going to try and tell me that naval officials don't generally have a reasonable idea where their subs are, particularly in this case where we are looking at a regional navy in peacetime.

The oceans are mahussive and as the man said they are designed to be very very difficult to detect.

They probably have a "reasonable idea" that the sub is in the South Atlantic but...


Europe is 10.18 million km²

The South Atlantic Ocean is 106.5 million km² *


* MAHUSSIVE


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Poor bastards are almost certainly on the bottom of the Atlantic somewhere :(


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Yes guys, Puma is fine. He does have some friends on the sub though so I have my fingers crossed for he and them.


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globus wrote:
croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.

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Let’s not do the whole globby gig on this thread.


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Yes guys, Puma is fine. He does have some friends on the sub though so I have my fingers crossed for he and them.

:thumbup: hopefully they turn up soon.


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Let’s not do the whole globby gig on this thread.


This is the PR equivalent of victim blaming


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The submarine had been cut in half a couple of years ago for maintenance, and something tells me the process of sticking the two pieces together did not work as intended :(


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Are there some in Argentina who are thinking that there is more to this? The geography is interesting. Perhaps it wasn't where it was supposed to be.


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globus wrote:
croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.


aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?
or were you fixing the periscope mechanism you no doubt designed ?


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croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.


aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?
or were you fixing the periscope mechanism you no doubt designed ?

He was on a Yellow Submarine.

There's a song about it.


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backrow wrote:
globus wrote:
croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.


aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?
or were you fixing the periscope mechanism you no doubt designed ?

This was quite an old one. Nothing nuclear about it! At the time, if you sailed from Gosport up Portsmouth harbour to Port Solent, there were a whole string of them awaiting the scrap yard.

The one I went on was normally used for basic training. It wasn't yellow, but a rather unfetching grey.


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backrow wrote:
globus wrote:
croyals wrote:
Seems amazing they can't locate a sub when they know where it left and where it's heading - can only suspect the worst.

Last word is it might be a comms thing. I've been down in a sub once and a late colleague of mine used to trundle around in them for the RN.

He was certifiable though. He decided to do that bit when you lay on a pile of nails after you have run through the burning ashes.

Nuff said. I did baulk at the choice of "We Are Sailing" at his funeral. I didn't do that one.

His widow was always not quite the woman I thought he would marry. I'm god dad to his son.


aren't Royal Navy subs a bit secret to be let on if you are non military ?
or were you fixing the periscope mechanism you no doubt designed ?

Not entirely non military but was very surprised when a couple of my mates in the Uni Naval Squadron got to spend some time on one of the attack subs.


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Royal Navy ship HMS Protector is in the search area and an RAF C-130 based out of RAF Mount Pleasant is conducting surface patrols of the search area


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Royal Navy ship HMS Protector is in the search area and an RAF C-130 based out of RAF Mount Pleasant is conducting surface patrols of the search area

They have ramped up the search mission considerably. CNN reports that if the sub is intact on the ocean floor, the crew will have about a week before the oxygen runs out.


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Last word is it might be a comms thing.

Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.


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200 odd miles off the coast would have it in pretty deep water. I wonder at what depth the pressure hull would cave in?

Likely to find a steel coffin. Horrible way to go. Not a job for the claustrophobic.


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Last word is it might be a comms thing.

Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.

Fingers crossed from me too. I don't have much knowledge of underwater comms. I suppose the closest was to have forward facing SONAR. I did get to hear the pings from the ASDIC but expect they have much more sophisticated kit nowadays.

Didn't help in finding the MH370 and that's over 3 years ago and no sign.

Must be like looking for a needle in a haystack in another haystack in yet another haystack etc.

I am interested in most things maritime.


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globus wrote:
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Last word is it might be a comms thing.

Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.

Fingers crossed from me too. I don't have much knowledge of underwater comms. I suppose the closest was to have forward facing SONAR. I did get to hear the pings from the ASDIC but expect they have much more sophisticated kit nowadays.

Didn't help in finding the MH370 and that's over 3 years ago and no sign.

Must be like looking for a needle in a haystack in another haystack in yet another haystack etc.

I am interested in most things maritime.


I assume the point is if the comms are all that are acting up you can just go up and surface and wait for help so its clearly not just a comms issue


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Last word is it might be a comms thing.

Lets hope so. Although this layman with no interests in things naval can't really see how that could be the problem.

Fingers crossed from me too. I don't have much knowledge of underwater comms. I suppose the closest was to have forward facing SONAR. I did get to hear the pings from the ASDIC but expect they have much more sophisticated kit nowadays.

Didn't help in finding the MH370 and that's over 3 years ago and no sign.

Must be like looking for a needle in a haystack in another haystack in yet another haystack etc.

I am interested in most things maritime.


I assume the point is if the comms are all that are acting up you can just go up and surface and wait for help so its clearly not just a comms issue

Agreed. Hence call for major concern.

Just out of interest, we were heading to Portsmouth from the Forts and the depth warning came on when we knew we were in the same water channel that the Ark Royal used to head out to the Nab tower.

We wondered if a sub had gone under us as the depth soon went back to “normal” according to our charts.

Too dark to see if it surfaced in front or behind but it certainly put the wind up me.

Thoughts are with the fellow sailors out there somewhere.


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The issue is a fierce weather condition with 6mts waves that are keeping most of the SAR planes at bases. The most advance tech has been deployed by US Navy and is being used right now, US Navy Poseidon and a SAR sub Brought yesterday even a NASA plane is on the search.

Argentinian Navy has also mobilized lots of ships like the ARA Austral and ARA Puerto Deseado, both equipped with advanced ehem scientific equipment.

Of course there is a lot of secrecy surrounding the ops. Subs are made not to be detected, that may be part of the problem, aregntinian subs forces are among the most advanced, this sub in particular as far as I know was totally refitted a couple of years back.

Aparently (a friend told me) a sub can't emerge under that severe Weather.


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Maybe it did a US navy and crashed into the belgrano ?


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Maybe it did a US navy and crashed into the belgrano ?



FFS :shock:









:lol: You bad man


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