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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:35 pm 
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Je peux parler très peu de la langue française, si bien que j'ai besoin d'utiliser la fonction de traduction sur le moteur de recherche leader mondial mais à cause de mon nom d'utilisateur je vais apparaître comme si je suis français pour ceux qui ne savent pas Je ne peux pas parler français je vais jeter le nom de Guy Noves ici pour le rendre un peu pertinent.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:39 pm 
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Just read the article Brunel is coaching his last game for Bordeaux this Saturday :uhoh:


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I am still surprised he is fired.


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I am still surprised he is fired.



me too.

Usually when a French coach is supposed to be doing a bad job the players just ignore them.


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Does this really help though?

Brunel may well improve things from a short term point of view, but until the French players perform as a team to the level they’re capable of, any coach is on a bit of a hiding to nothing.


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I hope I don't regret saying this but that's a very uninspiring replacement.


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https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/xv-de-fr ... tory.shtml

Trouble is that's what he believed. And seems the arch crook and the FFR have found a way to avoid topping up Guy's pension
https://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites ... ave/862438


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The last bit from Laporte is Putrid



L'ordure assumée


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He's come a long way from the Guildford Stranglers...


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A vomir. Avec toutes les casseroles que cette ordure a au cul.


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Most important point still vacant: Galthié refusing the backs coach job, nobody officially stepping up and picked for it yet. With Brunel and Bruno/Bonnaire, France aren't guaranteed shit... but... if they can get a proper backs coach, dunno who ..dunno who's available and what tricks Bernie's got.. but if they can get a decent guy for that, France have a chance to actually pull off a semi-decent purgatory period.
I think the 6N will be nothing more than an obligation: federation are really just patching paint on the holes right now and have targeted the end of the Top 14 season to make more stable changes for the future. Like, Azéma miiight be in the staff by summer. Which would be fantastic. Or better yet, if for whatever reason Altrad would agree to let Cotter go... but now I'm just dreaming a bit. But Azéma, hey...Azéma would be pretty damn good, déjà.


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Why would the new French Team need a Backs Coach ?

With a team of part-time coaches, & picking players from Top14 teams, who needs a Backs coach ?


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Laurent wrote:
The last bit from Laporte is Putrid



L'ordure assumée


parce que vous vous attendiez à autre chose ? après la "fuite" surement organisée la news, le mec grand pote de sarco et surement de macron, mouillé dans plein de business chelous etc.

perso, je souhaite qu'on se plante dans les grandes largeur sous cette présidence, que la coupe 2023 soit un carnage etc etc

serieux, vouloir gagner quoi que ce soit avec des enculés pareil, c'est comme vouloir une medaille au salon de l'agricultrue sous la bannière monsanto, ça n'a aucun sens.

Et avec ça, le gars espère voir une "equipe de france" où les mecs voudraient "mourir les uns pour les autres, et pour le maillot" ?
En gros il espère un peu des légionnaires, mais commandés par des barbouzes... classe.


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au fait, avec l'autre macron là et son plafonnement des indemnités en cas de licenciement abusif, laporte va devoir verser combien max ?

tout bénef non, et bel exemple de ce qui attend chacun de nous ?

vivement les barricades et le rendage de monnaie au centuple... 2018, ça fera les 50 ans de 68...


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tien, la boucherie qui traite laporte d'enculé et de fils de pute sur twitter... bien mérité, façon tour de france :


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OH L'ATTAQUE DE BERNARD LAPORTE ! IL DISTANCE SES PRINCIPAUX RIVAUX DANS LA COURSE AU TITRE DU PLUS GROS FDP DE L'ANNÉE À 3 JOURS DE LA FIN ! QUEL SACRÉ NUMÉRO !


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He's come a long way from the Guildford Stranglers...

Chiddingfold Chokers more apt.


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Dork Lard wrote:
Most important point still vacant: Galthié refusing the backs coach job, nobody officially stepping up and picked for it yet. With Brunel and Bruno/Bonnaire, France aren't guaranteed shit... but... if they can get a proper backs coach, dunno who ..dunno who's available and what tricks Bernie's got.. but if they can get a decent guy for that, France have a chance to actually pull off a semi-decent purgatory period.
I think the 6N will be nothing more than an obligation: federation are really just patching paint on the holes right now and have targeted the end of the Top 14 season to make more stable changes for the future. Like, Azéma miiight be in the staff by summer. Which would be fantastic. Or better yet, if for whatever reason Altrad would agree to let Cotter go... but now I'm just dreaming a bit. But Azéma, hey...Azéma would be pretty damn good, déjà.


Yeah, but no. We're keeping Cotter, and he's too smart to put himself in this sh.t. :lol:


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The smarter ones have already declined: Azema, Collazo (who btw expressed in his last post-match interview his concerns about the disrespect shown to the current staff in this mess), Urios... There is even word that Galthié is now pedaling backwards following the larger disapproval expressed at the way Laporte is getting rid of Noves. At this rate nobody will want to follow Brunel (who's a friend of Laporte).

Laporte is suing Noves and his staff for "aggravated fault" in an effort to reduce the compensations he would have to pay them... With the french government currently aiming at capping compensations to fired employees on the larger working scene, I wouldn't be surprised that Laporte had been working on that in the past weeks. Fifthly scum, I hope Laporte pays for it big time down the line.


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The smarter ones have already declined: Azema, Collazo (who btw expressed in his last post-match interview his concerns about the disrespect shown to the current staff in this mess), Urios... There is even word that Galthié is now pedaling backwards following the larger disapproval expressed at the way Laporte is getting rid of Noves. At this rate nobody will want to follow Brunel (who's a friend of Laporte).

Laporte is suing Noves and his staff for "aggravated fault" in an effort to reduce the compensations he would have to pay them... With the french government currently aiming at capping compensations to fired employees on the larger working scene, I wouldn't be surprised that Laporte had been working on that in the past weeks. Fifthly scum, I hope Laporte pays for it big time down the line.


He won't be able to prove fault whereas it'll be easy for Noves and co to prove he was out to get him from the start.


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Laurent wrote:
GDBFC99 wrote:
The smarter ones have already declined: Azema, Collazo (who btw expressed in his last post-match interview his concerns about the disrespect shown to the current staff in this mess), Urios... There is even word that Galthié is now pedaling backwards following the larger disapproval expressed at the way Laporte is getting rid of Noves. At this rate nobody will want to follow Brunel (who's a friend of Laporte).

Laporte is suing Noves and his staff for "aggravated fault" in an effort to reduce the compensations he would have to pay them... With the french government currently aiming at capping compensations to fired employees on the larger working scene, I wouldn't be surprised that Laporte had been working on that in the past weeks. Fifthly scum, I hope Laporte pays for it big time down the line.


He won't be able to prove fault whereas it'll be easy for Noves and co to prove he was out to get him from the start.

You have more faith in the integrity of the Fre legal system than I.


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The smarter ones have already declined: Azema, Collazo (who btw expressed in his last post-match interview his concerns about the disrespect shown to the current staff in this mess), Urios... There is even word that Galthié is now pedaling backwards following the larger disapproval expressed at the way Laporte is getting rid of Noves. At this rate nobody will want to follow Brunel (who's a friend of Laporte).

Laporte is suing Noves and his staff for "aggravated fault" in an effort to reduce the compensations he would have to pay them... With the french government currently aiming at capping compensations to fired employees on the larger working scene, I wouldn't be surprised that Laporte had been working on that in the past weeks. Fifthly scum, I hope Laporte pays for it big time down the line.


He won't be able to prove fault whereas it'll be easy for Noves and co to prove he was out to get him from the start.

You have more faith in the integrity of the Fre legal system than I.

the prudhomme are quite likely to Screw the FFR. they nailed altrad recently too :lol:


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Regardless of whether Laporte screwed Novés he had to go. The game has passed him by and he wasn't getting results.

Cotter won't get involved as an assistant having been an international head coach previously. I doubt White would ever be considered as seeking the England job while working for Montpellier is a huge black mark against him. Probably why he got the boot there.


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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Regardless of whether Laporte screwed Novés he had to go. The game has passed him by and he wasn't getting results.

Cotter won't get involved as an assistant having been an international head coach previously. I doubt White would ever be considered as seeking the England job while working for Montpellier is a huge black mark against him. Probably why he got the boot there.


Results ??? Noves' team couldn't score one fkng miserable try to save their lives.

Here's sth I have to say that is positive as an outlook for French Rugby:
the Top 14 was really just the Muck 14 for about that 5 year period that just passed. But the natural laws of the game are forcing French leaders to make the right, healthy decisions -
they're understanding the importance all over again of homegrown talent and it's showing in the laws they've been voting in (about JIFF's, etc), they're understanding the importance of coaching (more movement at that position lately than perhaps ever, and more emphasis put on that essential aspect of a team), and they're understanding the importance of calibrating a team properly and gradually slowly moving away from pure 1 on 1 structureless attacking; we're even seeing Toulouse this year throwing in dummy-runners and implementing setplays Toulouse being the epitome over those 5 years of great individual talent and zero attacking shape.

So I'm saying French Rugby seems to be catching up with world Rugby, and moving away from its prehistoric era and characters and drawing closer to the contemporary setting. They're setting the clock, and coaching is a major part of the current times and they're edging closer towards that.


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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:
Regardless of whether Laporte screwed Novés he had to go. The game has passed him by and he wasn't getting results.

Cotter won't get involved as an assistant having been an international head coach previously. I doubt White would ever be considered as seeking the England job while working for Montpellier is a huge black mark against him. Probably why he got the boot there.

White comes across as a bit of a chode more often than not.


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they're understanding the importance all over again of homegrown talent and it's showing in the laws they've been voting in (about JIFF's, etc), they're understanding the importance of coaching (more movement at that position lately than perhaps ever, and more emphasis put on that essential aspect of a team), and they're understanding the importance of calibrating a team properly and gradually slowly moving away from pure 1 on 1 structureless attacking; we're even seeing Toulouse this year throwing in dummy-runners and implementing setplays Toulouse being the epitome over those 5 years of great individual talent and zero attacking shape.


Well it does help that the current head of the FFR is a former coach who has worked in the professional game very recently.

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White comes across as a bit of a chode more often than not.


White knows how to bring through young players and set up a strong under age program which France have failed to do.


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White imported a truck load of safa


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Noves is ready for a fight :lol:

https://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites ... ave/862711

looks like no due process ... :lol:


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Very glad Azema and Collazo told Bernie where to stick it...

The mess that is French rugby may still yet reach further lows. :?


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Galthié now saying his role at RCT is too time consuming.

With all the injuries and the new, rather poor quality, staff we can expect the worst for the 6N.


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Galthié now saying his role at RCT is too time consuming.

With all the injuries and the new, rather poor quality, staff we can expect the worst for the 6N.

Worse than Noves? Is it possible? :o


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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
clementinfrance wrote:
Galthié now saying his role at RCT is too time consuming.

With all the injuries and the new, rather poor quality, staff we can expect the worst for the 6N.

Worse than Noves? Is it possible? :o


I fear the worst...

Maybe Brunel and a new captain can instill some "fighting spirit" but that won't last if the defeats keep coming.


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parfait... je crois vraiment qu'on a besoin d'une destruction intégrale.

Il faut tout faire sauter pour ensuite reconstruire sur du neuf, tout est pourri là.

tour de poule en 2019 et puis voilà.


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parfait... je crois vraiment qu'on a besoin d'une destruction intégrale.

Il faut tout faire sauter pour ensuite reconstruire sur du neuf, tout est pourri là.

tour de poule en 2019 et puis voilà.

France..... never does progress. Only conservatism or revolution. Revolution overdue in rugby?


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Well the most positive thing I can say now is I'm glad Galthié isn't a part of the staff after all, that was fkng cosmically abysmal the other night in Toulouse and he's been truly nothing but a clown all year long, I've seen just smiling all year, smiling at interviews ignoring questions with his usual passive-aggressive demeanor, yappin on about rucks-per-second and other personal fetish stats, and every game seems worse than the previous, I mean it's completely mind-boggling. You could REALLY believe if you stopped and thought about it...part of this has to be deliberate ? But no. His incompetence is just such, that you'd start imagining conspiracies.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
jolindien wrote:
parfait... je crois vraiment qu'on a besoin d'une destruction intégrale.

Il faut tout faire sauter pour ensuite reconstruire sur du neuf, tout est pourri là.

tour de poule en 2019 et puis voilà.

France..... never does progress. Only conservatism or revolution. Revolution overdue in rugby?


Putain, revolution overdue partout oui... de fait en rugby aussi.
Je vote pour, et je commence à passer une couche de vernis pour étanchéifier le billot.


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jolindien wrote:
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France..... never does progress. Only conservatism or revolution. Revolution overdue in rugby?


Putain, revolution overdue partout oui... de fait en rugby aussi.
Je vote pour, et je commence à passer une couche de vernis pour étanchéifier le billot.


Eh Torque has that spot on !, I believe. Definitely a make-or-break civilization, like society is this rigid framework that can't alter its structure and can only shatter (to its doom, or to reconstruct into something new). French society is in that state where the collective procrastinating over decades has extended to near its threshold bar, and Rugby is past that state I believe: as I mentioned earlier, I think the people at the top have identified the need for more expansive/structured Rugby but the point of shattering per se may've already occurred.


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Dork Lard wrote:
jolindien wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
France..... never does progress. Only conservatism or revolution. Revolution overdue in rugby?


Putain, revolution overdue partout oui... de fait en rugby aussi.
Je vote pour, et je commence à passer une couche de vernis pour étanchéifier le billot.


Eh Torque has that spot on !, I believe. Definitely a make-or-break civilization, like society is this rigid framework that can't alter its structure and can only shatter (to its doom, or to reconstruct into something new). French society is in that state where the collective procrastinating over decades has extended to near its threshold bar, and Rugby is past that state I believe: as I mentioned earlier, I think the people at the top have identified the need for more expansive/structured Rugby but the point of shattering per se may've already occurred.


Dork, j'inscris aussi ton nom dans la file d'attente du billot... les fourches arrivent, et pas que dans la french society comme on a pu l'entrevoir.


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PR's tribute to Noves here:
http://www.planetrugby.com/news/loose-pass-401/

The accurate bits
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nobody should forget what Novès contributed to the game of rugby at Toulouse, the abilities and calibre of player he developed and nurtured, the capacities for his teams to wow
although that probably peaked with Poitrefaut handing the 2004 HEC to Wasps.

The inaccurate bits (PR journalism....)
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he was responsible for probably three of the great generations of French players emerging and dominating – the first of Califano, Pelous, Castaignede, Ntamack the second of Servat, Elissalde, Michalak, Jauzion, Clerc, the third with Maestri, Dusautoir, Picamoles, Medard
Well, that last list is all players that came from other clubs (bar Medard) and were pretty well established by then. Anyway, Medard and Maestri could hardly be considered greats.
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as did his occasional explosions of temper; he was led away by police after the Heineken Cup win in 2005 when stewards refused to let his family onto the pitch to celebrate with him
Wrong. IIRC Noves was trying to reach his family in the crowd; not get them onto the pitch.
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while the inconsistencies in selections – again, rarely his fault– also left him unable to achieve that which he had been able to at Toulouse
Myopic in extremis.


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I wouldn't spend too much time talking about Noves now he's out of my way, personally. He was implementing mass destruction on the team I support, so obviously featured in my posts about that team in that quality.

But if there's anything I can say about the man in himself is I think he's a classic example of the coach who got incredibly lucky, for an incredibly long time, and has fooled his entire world. Back in the day at Rugby, you didn't have to be a good coach to get results with the team, and Toulouse with clubs or the xv de France Test level were the example of that: if you had a huge pack, fine halfbacks, speedy backs, and 3 or 4 really talented individuals in key spots, say at 8, 9, 12 or so... you had a very high probability chance of winning an 80min contest. Now, in today's Rugby, that won't guarantee you half a shit's worth a result: France have been loaded with talent, horrible results - Toulon has been loooooooaoaoaoaoaaaded with talent: play a disgusting Rugby, no results.

Noves did well riding the wave while it lasted, but as soon as it came down to pure technical maneuvering and the Cotter Schmidt Eddie Jones' of the world made the transition, he remained the exact same, but in this life when it's summer you're in sandals when winter comes you switch to hats and gloves, and Noves never showed the slightest sign of adaptation: he is the Darwinian loser in the chain, unable to keep up with what the others were doing and convert into the updated version of himself, when everybody went 1080p full HD he was running Windows '95. Only the strong survive. Noves didn't survive.


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http://www.lerugbynistere.fr/news/xv-de ... 181423.php

:lol:









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