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Pretty average unfortunately. It was fun but fell short of the mark.

They've fallen back into "ridiculous amounts of CGI and comic relief aliens" mode that ruined I, II & III. This one added "endless action sequences" on top. The scene where, during in intergalactic battle, a 90 year old pumpkin head dished out casual advice admist a laser battle while bouncing around on jetpacks via hologram was by far the stupidest scene of the movie. Followed by the alien birds that look like manga cartoons and were too cute to eat. Even though theyd already been killed, skinned and roasted.

How is that I know that going silly on the CGI and action always ruins a movie but these Hollywood bigshots cant figure it out? Out of the new ones, Rogue One, the one with the smallest budget, has been the best imo which maybe telling.

Still its not as bad as I, II or III.

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the scene where Leia gets blown up, sucked into space then magically floats down to the ship like Mary Poppins for the window to be opened and grab her inside....like she's not been blown up, like her bare body has not been floating in space, like you can open a window in space
is the most ridiculous scene i've ever seen in film. I just looked at my GF gobsmacked.

Fun movie to watch but stupid.


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Saw it last night, bit underwhelmed really.
Too much of the forced comedy and the look was a bit over the top. Not a bad way too spend 2 hours but could have easily waited to watch it at home.


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the scene where Leia gets blown up, sucked into space then magically floats down to the ship like Mary Poppins for the window to be opened and grab her inside....like she's not been blown up, like her bare body has not been floating in space, like you can open a window in space
is the most ridiculous scene i've ever seen in film. I just looked at my GF gobsmacked.

Fun movie to watch but stupid.


That was just ridiculous and lost me right there, could have easily tied up a loose end there.


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An excellent film back to the ethos of the first movie.
Swashbuckling fights, implausible plot lines. A space western with the best fury characters since Ewoks. Porgs are awesome. The scene with the roasted Porg was great.


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Magical powers? In a Star Wars movie?!?!


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le chat: Oh yeah I forgot that one. That was monumentally stupid. There was some old man next to me who thought it was the best thing ever. "what ... wait ... it cant be ... yes! wooow! I knew it!". He also reacted as though yoda appearing in the movie was an event of profound awe inspiring significance. Usually gives me the shits when people talk during movies, even quietly like he was. But I thought "I think this movie is average and a bit silly, and you know what, if this old white haired man is loving it so much he cant contain himself, then all.the power to him. Go nuts fellah."


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
Pretty average unfortunately. It was fun but fell short of the mark.

They've fallen back into "ridiculous amounts of CGI and comic relief aliens" mode that ruined I, II & III. This one added "endless action sequences" on top. The scene where, during in intergalactic battle, a 90 year old pumpkin head dished out casual advice admist a laser battle while bouncing around on jetpacks via hologram was by far the stupidest scene of the movie. Followed by the alien birds that look like manga cartoons and were too cute to eat. Even though theyd already been killed, skinned and roasted.

How is that I know that going silly on the CGI and action always ruins a movie but these Hollywood bigshots cant figure it out? Out of the new ones, Rogue One, the one with the smallest budget, has been the best imo which maybe telling.

Still its not as bad as I, II or III.

6.5 / 10


I hated it. 3 or 4/10 at best for me.

I also thought the Maz Kanata scene was one of the worst in the movie, along with the blue milk scene.

The plot line involving Finn and Rose was completely pointless and the speech impediment Benecio Del Toro's character had was incredibly annoying.

I now have 0 expectation for Episode 9.


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Magical powers? In a Star Wars movie?!?!

Speaking of which, minor gripe, but its the first time Ive heard the Jedi seriously referred to as a "religion". I seem to remember it being called that mockingly and descendingly in the originals, which was better imo as Star Wars has always prsented previously a very irreligeous fantasy world.


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I enjoyed it. The bit that annoyed me most was
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when Benicio Del Toro sold out Finn and Rose by giving up the Cargo ship escape plan, when even Finn, Rose and Poe weren’t privy to the plan, so how the fcuk did he have it? Also, like the first order would’ve still let him walk out. But obviously he’ll be in ep9, so they had to have him survive somehow.

Also the explosion which knocked out all the stormtroopers in their body armour but Finn and Rose, unprotected, were fine.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:59 am 
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Magical powers? In a Star Wars movie?!?!

I am one of the biggest advocators of not being critical to fantasy and sci fi movies/shows when they do quite implausible things, I laughed when white walkers went deep lake diving and chained that dragon up, but I didn't slate it and there is a line and
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Leia suddenly having weird unexplained flying in space powers
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You're right, not once has any Jedi displayed the ability to move things with their mind before


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I'm no Star Wars geek, but I enjoyed it well enough - 7/10.
Some films you see to be moved by, some films question the world - this film is all about the entertainment, and it does entertain for a few hours.

Some good acting, some fun action scenes and some good photography, and I liked the humour in it. Would have liked to have seen a few more character developments and explanations as regards to Snoke (and could have done without the last Rose-arc), and as mentioned above there are a few scenes which are a bit too implausible.

I still don't know who the Storm Trooper in the cape is :blush:


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You're right, not once has any Jedi displayed the ability to move things with their mind before

She's not a jedi and helloooooooo they're in spppaaaaaaacccceeeeeeeeeeeeeee


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You're right, not once has any Jedi displayed the ability to move things with their mind before

She's not a jedi and helloooooooo they're in spppaaaaaaacccceeeeeeeeeeeeeee

She is strong with the force.


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You're right, not once has any Jedi displayed the ability to move things with their mind before

She's not a jedi and helloooooooo they're in spppaaaaaaacccceeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Well clearly she is a Jedi, which shouldn't really be a surprise since RotJ stated that "that boy is our last hope" "no, there is another", she's Luke's sister and the series makes a big point about force powers being at least partly heritable. And why would being in space make a difference? What part of how force powers work has been set up to be dependent on being in a gravity well?


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I still don't know who the Storm Trooper in the cape is :blush:


She's the Boba Fett of this series, only this time they realised what a stupid idea it is to set a character up as a badass and antagonist and then kill them off via slapstick routine, so they gave it some meaning as a sign of Finn's character growth. If you mean what's her name, it's Captain Phasma


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Excellent film. The degree to which it antagonises the haters is the cherry on the top.


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Excellent film. The degree to which it antagonises the haters is the cherry on the top.


I agree with the first part certainly. Think it's a shame that people dislike it, and am increasingly frustrated with the Cinema Sins style nitpick approach to criticism. People are actively training themselves not to suspend their disbelief, which is fine but then they go and watch a bunch of films and TV shows and complain that they couldn't suspend their disbelief.


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It was a good stand alone movie but fairly average when compared to the original 3.
The Leia scene was shocking, as were the shite attempts of humour.
What I really didn't like was that the new bad guy isn't all that bad. Fair enough he killed his dad in the last movie . . . . But still, he appears too vulnerable in this one. I prefer my bad guys to be proper bad asses that wouldn't hesititate in butchering one of the good guys :thumbdown:


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You're right, not once has any Jedi displayed the ability to move things with their mind before

She's not a jedi and helloooooooo they're in spppaaaaaaacccceeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Well clearly she is a Jedi, which shouldn't really be a surprise since RotJ stated that "that boy is our last hope" "no, there is another", she's Luke's sister and the series makes a big point about force powers being at least partly heritable. And why would being in space make a difference? What part of how force powers work has been set up to be dependent on being in a gravity well?

Ok, I didn't realise she was a jedi because she has never done anything jedish in the past but whether she is or not, why was her human body able to float through space without harm? why did the explosion not kill her? why could they open the window of the spacecraft? can a spaceship do that, open a window? I assume it would destroy the pressure of the craft and condemn everyone on it to death.


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It was extremely stupid Chuck and made little to zero sense even in the context of that fantasy universe.

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She is not a jedi. She's just strong with the force. She's not been trained. Certainly not well enough to apparently survive being blown to bits, then resurrecting her frozen dead body and flying through the vacuum of space by magic. Its just fn stupid. Consider Lukes amazing Jedi powers in the first one simply allowed him to shoot lasers acurately at a small target.

Its all part of the "bigger, more" = better mindset that seems to prevail when making hollywood sequels and pretty much always seems to ruin them.


edit: spoiler your shit ffs.


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It was a good stand alone movie but fairly average when compared to the original 3.
The Leia scene was shocking, as was the shite attempts of humour.
What I really didn't like was that the new bad guy isn't all that bad. Fair enough he killed his dad in the last movie . . . . But still, he appears too vulnerable in this one. I prefer my bad guys to be proper bad asses that wouldn't hesititate in butchering one of the good guys :thumbdown:


My biggest complaint is that it lacked the humour of TFA. The importance of how genuinely funny Force Awakens is easy to overlook.

Having more complex antagonists isn't really a bad thing for me. I mean even Dark Vader turned out to have layers. BBEGs are good for a single story but when you have a broader narrative there really needs to be something more going on.


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Salanya wrote:
I still don't know who the Storm Trooper in the cape is :blush:


She's the Boba Fett of this series, only this time they realised what a stupid idea it is to set a character up as a badass and antagonist and then kill them off via slapstick routine, so they gave it some meaning as a sign of Finn's character growth. If you mean what's her name, it's Captain Phasma


Was this a storyline in the previous film? I'm afraid it had totally passed me by, and the cape character came out of nowhere for me.


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You're right, not once has any Jedi displayed the ability to move things with their mind before

She's not a jedi and helloooooooo they're in spppaaaaaaacccceeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Well clearly she is a Jedi, which shouldn't really be a surprise since RotJ stated that "that boy is our last hope" "no, there is another", she's Luke's sister and the series makes a big point about force powers being at least partly heritable. And why would being in space make a difference? What part of how force powers work has been set up to be dependent on being in a gravity well?

Ok, I didn't realise she was a jedi because she has never done anything jedish in the past but whether she is or not, why was her human body able to float through space without harm? why did the explosion not kill her? why could they open the window of the spacecraft? can a spaceship do that, open a window? I assume it would destroy the pressure of the craft and condemn everyone on it to death.


OK, the Leia scene wasn't my favourite, and yeah, could've been re-written to accommodate the unfortunate death of Carrie Fisher, but don't get too carried away.

It's clear that it isn't a 'window' they're opening. She draws herself back to the remains of the bridge that has just been shot away, it's the bulkhead door that slammed shut to prevent the complete decompression of the rest of the ship that they then open to get he back in. The door. To the bridge. That had just been blown apart. That Leia had been sucked out into space from. That bridge. That bulkhead. That door. Really. It was a door.

We've known for a few decades now that Leia was a Skywalker and strong with the force, if untrained. Near death experiences seem to bring forth the Force, and hell, if Starlord can float through space, why the hell can't a Space Princess General? Jeez, you lot are so picky.

The Casino bit seemed a bit out of place, too Harry Potter-ish really, although making the War Profiteers be the scum and villains in this wretched hive wasn't a bad angle to take.

The second pic of a trilogy isn't supposed to answer all the questions, it's supposed to be fairly dark, and set it all up for a righteous Phoenix rising from the ashes in #3. Bring it on.


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go and watch a bunch of films and TV shows and complain that they couldn't suspend their disbelief.

They make it impossible with their obssession with outdoing the last and making everything bigger, more impressive, more amazing, etc. Its just shit. Look at Rogue One. Limited budget, less pressure, less CGI and its by far the best Star Wars movie since the originals. No problem suspending disbelief there. Because they dont go insane like a kid in a candy shop with zero self control.


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It was extremely stupid Chuck and made little to zero sense even in the context of that fantasy universe.

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She is not a jedi. She's just strong with the force. She's not been trained. Certainly not well enough to apparently survive being blown to bits, then resurrecting her frozen dead body and flying through the vacuum of space by magic. Its just fn stupid. Consider Lukes amazing Jedi powers in the first one simply allowed him to shoot lasers acurately at a small target.

Its all part of the "bigger, more" = better mindset that seems to prevail when making hollywood sequels and pretty much always seems to ruin them.


Except she clearly IS a Jedi. The film told you she was when she demonstrated force powers. It didn't feel the need to tell you beforehand a) so the twist that she's not really dead would work and b) because it's really not that big a stretch that Luke would train her in the DECADES since A New Hope. Yoda lived for 900 years and Anakin survived third degree burns over his entire body, so there's plenty of precedent for the idea that being a Jedi makes you tough to kill. Luke's amazing Jedi powers in the first one were indeed not sufficient to help him survive the vacuum of space (sidenote: it takes a really really long time for things to freeze in space, because convection doesn't work in a vacuum and radiation is a very low energy transfer form of heatloss), but he didn't have training then, so your entire "I'm smarter than the scriptwriters" shtick is in fact based entirely on the idea that it's less believable that Luke would have trained Leia between Eps 6 and 7 than that he wouldn't.

Your assertion that "bigger, more= better" is the Hollywood mindset behind this film is rather undercut by the fact that film critics, not a group known for falling head over heels for keeping the story the same across a franchise and just exponentially increasing the size of the explosions, gave the film stunning reviews. It holds a 91% fresh rating on RT. This is clearly not a Transformers-esque case of sequelitis.


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I still don't know who the Storm Trooper in the cape is :blush:


She's the Boba Fett of this series, only this time they realised what a stupid idea it is to set a character up as a badass and antagonist and then kill them off via slapstick routine, so they gave it some meaning as a sign of Finn's character growth. If you mean what's her name, it's Captain Phasma


Was this a storyline in the previous film? I'm afraid it had totally passed me by, and the cape character came out of nowhere for me.


She's basically been Finn's nemesis. She was the one who gave him shit right at the start of Ep 7 for not being tough enough, and the one who helped him (at gunpoint) get where he needed to be at the climax of the film, before being shoved in a trash compactor. They didn't make tremendous use of her in Force Awakens and I'm inclined to suspect they wound up leaving some more stuff with her in on the cutting room floor, but she was definitely, unambiguously in there and set up to be a significant antagonist for Finn, specifically


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Pretty average unfortunately. It was fun but fell short of the mark.

They've fallen back into "ridiculous amounts of CGI and comic relief aliens" mode that ruined I, II & III. This one added "endless action sequences" on top. The scene where, during in intergalactic battle, a 90 year old pumpkin head dished out casual advice admist a laser battle while bouncing around on jetpacks via hologram was by far the stupidest scene of the movie. Followed by the alien birds that look like manga cartoons and were too cute to eat. Even though theyd already been killed, skinned and roasted.

How is that I know that going silly on the CGI and action always ruins a movie but these Hollywood bigshots cant figure it out? Out of the new ones, Rogue One, the one with the smallest budget, has been the best imo which maybe telling.

Still its not as bad as I, II or III.

6.5 / 10


I hated it. 3 or 4/10 at best for me.

I also thought the Maz Kanata scene was one of the worst in the movie, along with the blue milk scene.

The plot line involving Finn and Rose was completely pointless and the speech impediment Benecio Del Toro's character had was incredibly annoying.

I now have 0 expectation for Episode 9.


I also thought it was shit. Probably won’t bother with Episode 9.


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Chuckles1188 wrote:
go and watch a bunch of films and TV shows and complain that they couldn't suspend their disbelief.

They make it impossible with their obssession with outdoing the last and making everything bigger, more impressive, more amazing, etc. Its just shit. Look at Rogue One. Limited budget, less pressure, less CGI and its by far the best Star Wars movie since the originals. No problem suspending disbelief there. Because they dont go insane like a kid in a candy shop with zero self control.


Rogue One is a completely different genre of film to any of the main canon Star Wars films. Saying Rogue One damaged your suspension of disbelief less than TLJ is like saying that the first Captain America damaged your suspension of disbelief less than Doctor Strange. They're. Different. Genres.

As for "they make it impossible with their obsession with outdoing the last and making everything bigger, more impressive", this is just nuts. Rogue One features the Death Star blowing shit up left, right, and centre, and ends with a humongous battle. TLJ ends with 12 people in cobbled together ships trying out a mad, desperate (and ultimately unsuccessful, because the major theme of TLJ is stuff not working out as planned for the protagonists) plan to fly into a cannon to stop it blowing a hole in a wall.


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Magical powers? In a Star Wars movie?!?!

I am one of the biggest advocators of not being critical to fantasy and sci fi movies/shows when they do quite implausible things, I laughed when white walkers went deep lake diving and chained that dragon up, but I didn't slate it and there is a line and
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Leia suddenly having weird unexplained flying in space powers
is not on

She’s daughter, sister and mother to 3 of the most powerful Jedi in living memory, and it’s been clear since Empire that she’s more force adept than she lets on. It’s not weird or unexplained at all in the context of the Star Wars universe.


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Magical powers? In a Star Wars movie?!?!

I am one of the biggest advocators of not being critical to fantasy and sci fi movies/shows when they do quite implausible things, I laughed when white walkers went deep lake diving and chained that dragon up, but I didn't slate it and there is a line and
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Leia suddenly having weird unexplained flying in space powers
is not on

She’s daughter, sister and mother to 3 of the most powerful Jedi in living memory, and it’s been clear since Empire that she’s more force adept than she lets on. It’s not weird or unexplained at all in the context of the Star Wars universe.


I'm genuinely baffled by the complaints on here. I have more time for people complaining that Luke didn't roll out and wreck shit in this one than people saying "it's totally unbelievable that a Jedi (and no, she's not a Jedi, because I said so) can fly". They can read minds. They can see the future. They make things float basically as a warm-up exercise. It's practically mundane for Star Wars.


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It was a good stand alone movie but fairly average when compared to the original 3.
The Leia scene was shocking, as were the shite attempts of humour.
What I really didn't like was that the new bad guy isn't all that bad. Fair enough he killed his dad in the last movie . . . . But still, he appears too vulnerable in this one. I prefer my bad guys to be proper bad asses that wouldn't hesititate in butchering one of the good guys :thumbdown:

The guy who butchered the most popular of the good guys who is also his Dad as you mention above isn't bad ass enough? :roll:


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I thought it was an excellent movie, better than TFA (which was a good movie in itself).


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I thought it was an excellent movie, better than TFA (which was a good movie in itself).


Agree entirely. Was really impressed by how much they focused on the characters while still telling a complicated, risky story. Driver, Hamill and Fisher absolutely killed it, and some of the shots were incredible. The hyperspace kill in particular was spectacular. I've only seen the film once so far but I can remember it perfectly.


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I would give the movie a 5.5/6 out of 10. I actually would say I like it and overall still like it but some of the stuff going on was hysterical.

Bad stuff:
1. Finn's totally pointless - His plot is all over the place. From liking Rey to all of a sudden getting into Rose over one slightly over dramatic event. There was basically little to no dialogue bar the final fight with Phasma in which Phasma was very underdeveloped and used (Somewhat like Boba Fett as Chuckles says) and he doesn't seem to fit in and have a place with the storyline.

2. Leia scene and Rey's abilities - Have to disagree with Chuckles on this one. Leia's scene was awful. It's alluded that she is akin to the force, much like Rey but my main gripe with the entire story line and it is a large issue is that, there's no honing of the skill, you don't see them work hard, they've suddenly just obtained it. Luke had a development with the force grow over time from 4 and 5 leading into 6 where he taps into the dark side, with Rey and especially Leia in particular, it's instant. Leia is alluded to but then can do a mary poppins in space? Rey has 3 lessons and doesn't understand the force or control it, she's told what the force is, sits on a rock and then the 3rd lesson doesn't happen so she goes into the well to reflect on things. This culminates in her being able to levitate rocks effortlessly by the end of the film. I know some can disagree saying there's not enough time in the plot, but you can do subtle things through the film (the link with Ben Solo isn't the same thing) which permeate and show development. Both show neither.

3. Kylo Ren - Not a massive gripe but he's not an intimidating enemy.

4. Snoke - Opportunity missed - could have had a separate side story because we don't really know anything about him, the guy who seduced Ben to the dark side and he's already dead? It was a great scene and well done in a cinematic/dramatic style situation but for storyplot it was terribly poor.

5. Ending - The scene with the kid wasn't needed and very PG. All they needed to do was end on an interesting segment going into the next film and I think most people probably actually would have left in an ambivalent semi good feeling about the next one. Another pointless part of the film.

Good parts:
1. Laura Dern - Loved her role. The chemistry with her and Poe was really good and the final scene in which she sacrificed herself (an iconic Star Wars moment) was brilliantly done.

2. Humour - Not actually as bad as made out, mostly fine and some of it was well delivered. A little bit forced.

3. Kylo Ren - On the one hand I'm not particularly happy with any of the character development however Kylo's conflicted nature is basically what the story is currently hinging on. If we see a slow progress deepening into the dark side, the 3rd movie will not be the last in this particular storyline. What supports this is now that Snoke is gone. He is now the main antagonist in the film, he's the only real enemy left, there's massive scope with what they could do with him going forward and he's quite enjoyable to watch.

4. Tracking mechanism - Good and bad. It made for a weak plot in which the entire film hinged on the hyperspace tracking theory however it was also quite unoriginal and refreshing, at least it was a change up from being chased from one planet to another etc.

5. Oscar Isaac (Poe Dameron) - The best character in the current series, funny, clever and watchable. Need more segments going forward with him.

Little word on the next film
The new film coming out next year is on Han Solo. Disney have announced that due to the bad press and reception the new film has received, plus their own concerns around what the director is doing with the film, Han Solo is expected to be a major flop. That's not me trying to bag the series I'm a huge fan but it is expected to be poor. They don't seem to like the cast (LucasFilm specifically), they feel the next film the humour is being put in for the sake of it and it doesn't seem to have any relevance or lead into the character we saw in episodes IV, V and VI.


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Magical powers? In a Star Wars movie?!?!

I am one of the biggest advocators of not being critical to fantasy and sci fi movies/shows when they do quite implausible things, I laughed when white walkers went deep lake diving and chained that dragon up, but I didn't slate it and there is a line and
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Leia suddenly having weird unexplained flying in space powers
is not on

She’s daughter, sister and mother to 3 of the most powerful Jedi in living memory, and it’s been clear since Empire that she’s more force adept than she lets on. It’s not weird or unexplained at all in the context of the Star Wars universe.


I'm genuinely baffled by the complaints on here. I have more time for people complaining that Luke didn't roll out and wreck shit in this one than people saying "it's totally unbelievable that a Jedi (and no, she's not a Jedi, because I said so) can fly". They can read minds. They can see the future. They make things float basically as a warm-up exercise. It's practically mundane for Star Wars.


Not sure how much Force it would take to move somebody in space anyhow, it's not like trying to lift an X-Wing out of a swamp or hold Rey in the air in any case.

Hell, if we want to get picky about what goes on in Space, the constant noises should be the first issue - in space, nobody can hear you scream.
The use of bombers in the opening sequence had me getting a bit leery though. Seriously, like a Lancaster bomber in WW2, these SPACE ships have to be directly over their target so they can open their bomb bay doors, release their payload and let gravity guide their bombs to their target....


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I would give the movie a 5.5/6 out of 10. I actually would say I like it and overall still like it but some of the stuff going on was hysterical.

Bad stuff:
1. Finn's totally pointless - His plot is all over the place. From liking Rey to all of a sudden getting into Rose over one slightly over dramatic event. There was basically little to no dialogue bar the final fight with Phasma in which Phasma was very underdeveloped and used (Somewhat like Boba Fett as Chuckles says) and he doesn't seem to fit in and have a place with the storyline.


They never really stated that Finn had romantic feelings towards Rey. She's literally the first friend he's ever had, that doesn't automatically have to mean he has the hots for her, and the way his feelings toward her was portrayed through both films was ambiguous. I can see the criticism and it's not invalid, but it wasn't a problem for me. I'm not sure what you mean about there being little to no dialogue bar the final fight, he had plenty. Phasma has been poorly served in both films but they gave her a more significant dramatic role this time so that's something. And of course the classic Disney Villain death leaves plenty of scope for her to return in the third one as some kind of cyborg badass or something which has lots of potential. I would argue that the final shot of the film is a pretty strong indicator that he did have a place in the storyline, albeit a less direct one.

I do get what you mean though.

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2. Leia scene and Rey's abilities - Have to disagree with Chuckles on this one. Leia's scene was awful. It's alluded that she is akin to the force, much like Rey but my main gripe with the entire story line and it is a large issue is that, there's no honing of the skill, you don't see them work hard, they've suddenly just obtained it. Luke had a development with the force grow over time from 4 and 5 leading into 6 where he taps into the dark side, with Rey and especially Leia in particular, it's instant. Leia is alluded to but then can do a mary poppins in space? Rey has 3 lessons and doesn't understand the force or control it, she's told what the force is, sits on a rock and then the 3rd lesson doesn't happen so she goes into the well to reflect on things. This culminates in her being able to levitate rocks effortlessly by the end of the film. I know some can disagree saying there's not enough time in the plot, but you can do subtle things through the film (the link with Ben Solo isn't the same thing) which permeate and show development. Both show neither.


The force doesn't work like that, in any Star Wars films. Luke goes from "doesn't need a targeting computer" in 4, to "can lift rocks for a bit until he loses his focus, but can also see the future" in 5, to "is functionally a full-blown Jedi" in 6. The force across the Star Wars films is a combination of plot magic and eastern mysticism, and has always been portrayed as something which is part of force users rather than a pure skillset that has to be learned like lineout calls or something. Again, I do sort of get the complaint but for me it's not a problem.

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3. Kylo Ren - Not a massive gripe but he's not an intimidating enemy.


I don't agree, but not sure there's much point in arguing over it. He's prone to violent emotional outbursts and has a deeply nihilistic and selfish view of the world. That combination in a force user seems pretty intimidating to me, but if it didn't work for you then fair enough.

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4. Snoke - Opportunity missed - could have had a separate side story because we don't really know anything about him, the guy who seduced Ben to the dark side and he's already dead? It was a great scene and well done in a cinematic/dramatic style situation but for storyplot it was terribly poor.


One of the film's fairly blatant themes was letting go of obsessions with the past. A very obvious Palpatine proxy needs to be in such a story given how significant he was to the original trilogy, and he needs to be dispensed with to show that it's about the new characters now. Which is essential if the film is going to be more than just the love-letter to the original trilogy which TFA unashamedly was.

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5. Ending - The scene with the kid wasn't needed and very PG. All they needed to do was end on an interesting segment going into the next film and I think most people probably actually would have left in an ambivalent semi good feeling about the next one. Another pointless part of the film.


For me it was the single most important scene in the film.

Going to stop copy and pasting bits of your post now because it's taking forever

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Good parts:
1. Laura Dern - Loved her role. The chemistry with her and Poe was really good and the final scene in which she sacrificed herself (an iconic Star Wars moment) was brilliantly done. Yup, she was great. And agree entirely on the last part

2. Humour - Not actually as bad as made out, mostly fine and some of it was well delivered. A little bit forced. It struggled in comparison to TFA in the comedy stakes, but on the other hand you could easily argue that the subject matter of the film didn't warrant being so light-hearted. There were a number of things which were clearly meant to be jokes which didn't land.

3. Kylo Ren - On the one hand I'm not particularly happy with any of the character development however Kylo's conflicted nature is basically what the story is currently hinging on. If we see a slow progress deepening into the dark side, the 3rd movie will not be the last in this particular storyline. What supports this is now that Snoke is gone. He is now the main antagonist in the film, he's the only real enemy left, there's massive scope with what they could do with him going forward and he's quite enjoyable to watch.This is basically my point about him.

4. Tracking mechanism - Good and bad. It made for a weak plot in which the entire film hinged on the hyperspace tracking theory however it was also quite unoriginal and refreshing, at least it was a change up from being chased from one planet to another etc.It was eh. Did the storytelling job it needed to do.

5. Oscar Isaac (Poe Dameron) - The best character in the current series, funny, clever and watchable. Need more segments going forward with him. Don't know that he is the best character currently (I mean that genuinely, I don't know), but definitely agree more is needed.

Little word on the next film
The new film coming out next year is on Han Solo. Disney have announced that due to the bad press and reception the new film has received, plus their own concerns around what the director is doing with the film, Han Solo is expected to be a major flop. That's not me trying to bag the series I'm a huge fan but it is expected to be poor. They don't seem to like the cast (LucasFilm specifically), they feel the next film the humour is being put in for the sake of it and it doesn't seem to have any relevance or lead into the character we saw in episodes IV, V and VI.Taking all rumours with a pinch of salt, but I don't struggle to believe that. But what Disney expects and what it gets aren't necessarily always the same thing. It's going to be tough to tell a story about Han that doesn't feel either irrelevant or unnecessary, but it's theoretically possible. Reserving judgement


TG: they were still in orbit above a planet, and Star Wars has never played particularly carefully with regards to physics. It did the sci-fi fan in me's head in a bit, but it wasn't laughable to me.

My main complaints -
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-The big problem with Leia's scene isn't that I couldn't get my head around the idea that she is a force user or that the force can be used to move things around, but that it was a copout - would have been much better if she had died from a storytelling point of view IMO. But giving Carrie Fisher more stuff to do in what turned out to be her final film role isn't a crime.

-Like I said above, it wasn't nearly as funny as TFA and some of that was because the jokes just weren't executed well.

-I thought they actually went a bit too far the other way on CGI/Practical effects, there were times where things like the porgs (which I mostly liked) were really obviously little animatronic puppets and it did break immersion.

-It's still more human-centric than it needs to be. More non-human main characters please


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Agree with Wendigo, Laura Dern was a highlight. Shes a babe too and aging beautifully and gracefully.

Regarding Leia flying through space, which nobody has bothered to spoiler, so I wont either: think about it this way: can you imagine Princess Leia magically defrosting her corpse and flying through the vacuum of space in any of the first movies? Just stop and think how utterly fūcking stupid and unfitting that would have been. "She wasn't powerful enough back then". Fūck off. Nobody has ever been powerful enough. The Emporer himself was killed because Vadar tossed him off a balcony. The force has never been this powerful. Its always before just been basically intense levels of concentration and a mystical connection with the natural way of things. So powerful that an absolute master can do unbelievable, amazing things like levitate teddy bears (ewoks) or "feel a disturbance/prescence" by intuition. That was the "mind blowing" powers in the first ones. Its NEVER been about untrained grandmas inexplicably ressurecting themselves from the dead after being blown up by a laser cannon, defrosting their own corpse and and flying through space like Mary Poppins in the middle of an intergalactic battle. It was fûcking stupid. Period.

On that same note, Luke's ending was fûcked too. Just 10000 steps overboard.

If they want to make the next one good, they have to get all the script writers off amphetemines and scrap the top 98% of most far fetched crap that is brain stormed during production. Bigger, weirder, more unbelievable, more expensive, more spectacular does NOT equal "better".


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Agree with Wendigo, Laura Dern was a highlight. Shes a babe too and aging beautifully and gracefully.

Regarding Leia flying through space, which nobody has bothered to spoiler, so I wont either: think about it this way: can you imagine Princess Leia magically defrosting her corpse and flying through the vacuum of space in any of the first movies? Just stop and think how utterly fūcking stupid and unfitting that would have been. "She wasn't powerful enough back then". Fūck off. Nobody has ever been powerful enough. The Emporer himself was killed because Vadar tossed him off a balcony. The force has never been this powerful. Its always before just been basically intense levels of concentration and a mystical connection with the natural way of things. So powerful that an absolute master can do unbelievable, amazing things like levitate teddy bears (ewoks) or "feel a disturbance/prescence" by intuition. That was the "mind blowing" powers in the first ones. Its NEVER been about untrained grandmas inexplicably ressurecting themselves from the dead after being blown up by a laser cannon, defrosting their own corpse and and flying through space like Mary Poppins in the middle of an intergalactic battle. It was fûcking stupid. Period.


Yoda levitating an X-wing really passed you by, huh?


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