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Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote:The worst aspect of this film, like TFA, is the lack of training Rey has to undergo to achieve anything.

Luke was struggling to get his lightsaber out of the snow in his 2nd film, she's already busted jedi mind tricks without knowing anything about the force and in this one does multiple feats that Luke / Anakin could only do after training with a master. Lots of training.

Why did the Jedi bother training kids at all - just wait till they are 18 and give them 10 minutes and that's all you need apparently.

plus the superman bit is shite.

plus the whole slow motion chase is shite and dumb.

man, there were lots of worst aspects when I come to think of it. Absolute bollocks film, worse than any of the prequels - at least they took care to respect the characters and mythology a bit more.

Lovely visuals though, I'll give it that.

*Prepares considered post pointing out that the Force has always been treated inconsistently and not like a skillset to be learned so much as an innate characteristic of the user to be understood, and that the Jedi training in the Old Republic was mostly about following their organisation's rules rather than actually being proficient as a Force user*

*Sees "worse than any of the prequels"*

*Decides not to bother*

Just to be clear, the prequels were junk.

But they treated the mythology consistently and with some respect. The latest film doesn't. It treats the force like a superpower rather than something that has to be taught - previously there has always been the teacher / student relationship, for jedi or sith. There is zero force training for Rey but she's a master. Awesome.

Where is the inconsistency? support your claim - show me one other character who needed zero training to achieve jedi master powers.

Chuckles1188 wrote:

shanky wrote:Does anybody really believe Rey’s parents were a couple of junkies?

I'm certainly open to the possibility that they were just a pair of random nobodies. Open to new information on that front though, since we don't exactly have it from an unbiased source.

shanky wrote: If so, please explain the flashback scene in TFA when she first finds the Luke lightsabre.

Said flashback doesn't really contradict the original assertion, it was very ambiguous

If one flashbacks on meeting/touching every bit of Force memorabilia, why didn’t she do it on meeting Leia?

WitchKing wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote:The worst aspect of this film, like TFA, is the lack of training Rey has to undergo to achieve anything.

Luke was struggling to get his lightsaber out of the snow in his 2nd film, she's already busted jedi mind tricks without knowing anything about the force and in this one does multiple feats that Luke / Anakin could only do after training with a master. Lots of training.

Why did the Jedi bother training kids at all - just wait till they are 18 and give them 10 minutes and that's all you need apparently.

plus the superman bit is shite.

plus the whole slow motion chase is shite and dumb.

man, there were lots of worst aspects when I come to think of it. Absolute bollocks film, worse than any of the prequels - at least they took care to respect the characters and mythology a bit more.

Lovely visuals though, I'll give it that.

*Prepares considered post pointing out that the Force has always been treated inconsistently and not like a skillset to be learned so much as an innate characteristic of the user to be understood, and that the Jedi training in the Old Republic was mostly about following their organisation's rules rather than actually being proficient as a Force user*

*Sees "worse than any of the prequels"*

*Decides not to bother*

Just to be clear, the prequels were junk.

But they treated the mythology consistently and with some respect. The latest film doesn't. It treats the force like a superpower rather than something that has to be taught - previously there has always been the teacher / student relationship, for jedi or sith. There is zero force training for Rey but she's a master. Awesome.

Where is the inconsistency? support your claim - show me one other character who needed zero training to achieve jedi master powers.

Anakin Skywalker and podracing. And Anakin was 50% of the characters we have seen go through the process of learning to be a force user. There really isn't a mythology here to be consistent or inconsistent to, if you think the previous films had laid down hard rules about how Jedi are taught you are simply mistaken.

shanky wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

shanky wrote:Does anybody really believe Rey’s parents were a couple of junkies?

I'm certainly open to the possibility that they were just a pair of random nobodies. Open to new information on that front though, since we don't exactly have it from an unbiased source.

shanky wrote: If so, please explain the flashback scene in TFA when she first finds the Luke lightsabre.

Said flashback doesn't really contradict the original assertion, it was very ambiguous

If one flashbacks on meeting/touching every bit of Force memorabilia, why didn’t she do it on meeting Leia?

Who said anything about "every bit of Force memorabilia"? Luke's lightsaber was clearly going to be relevant to Rey personally in the future, that doesn't have to be because of a family connection to it

WitchKing wrote:
Just to be clear, the prequels were junk.

But they treated the mythology consistently and with some respect.

Midi - fucking - chlorians.

Chuckles1188 wrote:

shanky wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

shanky wrote:Does anybody really believe Rey’s parents were a couple of junkies?

I'm certainly open to the possibility that they were just a pair of random nobodies. Open to new information on that front though, since we don't exactly have it from an unbiased source.

shanky wrote: If so, please explain the flashback scene in TFA when she first finds the Luke lightsabre.

Said flashback doesn't really contradict the original assertion, it was very ambiguous

If one flashbacks on meeting/touching every bit of Force memorabilia, why didn’t she do it on meeting Leia?

Who said anything about "every bit of Force memorabilia"? Luke's lightsaber was clearly going to be relevant to Rey personally in the future, that doesn't have to be because of a family connection to it

I’m not convinced.

guy smiley wrote:

shanky wrote: I’m not convinced.

The Force is beyond mortal ken, man. Let it go. Surrender to it.

Otherwise, Seagulls

Holy fvck.

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote:The worst aspect of this film, like TFA, is the lack of training Rey has to undergo to achieve anything.

Luke was struggling to get his lightsaber out of the snow in his 2nd film, she's already busted jedi mind tricks without knowing anything about the force and in this one does multiple feats that Luke / Anakin could only do after training with a master. Lots of training.

Why did the Jedi bother training kids at all - just wait till they are 18 and give them 10 minutes and that's all you need apparently.

plus the superman bit is shite.

plus the whole slow motion chase is shite and dumb.

man, there were lots of worst aspects when I come to think of it. Absolute bollocks film, worse than any of the prequels - at least they took care to respect the characters and mythology a bit more.

Lovely visuals though, I'll give it that.

*Prepares considered post pointing out that the Force has always been treated inconsistently and not like a skillset to be learned so much as an innate characteristic of the user to be understood, and that the Jedi training in the Old Republic was mostly about following their organisation's rules rather than actually being proficient as a Force user*

*Sees "worse than any of the prequels"*

*Decides not to bother*

Just to be clear, the prequels were junk.

But they treated the mythology consistently and with some respect. The latest film doesn't. It treats the force like a superpower rather than something that has to be taught - previously there has always been the teacher / student relationship, for jedi or sith. There is zero force training for Rey but she's a master. Awesome.

Where is the inconsistency? support your claim - show me one other character who needed zero training to achieve jedi master powers.

Anakin Skywalker and podracing. And Anakin was 50% of the characters we have seen go through the process of learning to be a force user. There really isn't a mythology here to be consistent or inconsistent to, if you think the previous films had laid down hard rules about how Jedi are taught you are simply mistaken.

You think that's comparable to what Rey can do? I'm talking about force powers - telekinesis, telepathy, advanced lightsaber combat - stuff that Jedi can do.
We were told he had great reflexes - that's it. There is no comparison. He's not learnt how to use his force stuff yet.

Tell me what's mistaken here chuckie:
All Jedi and Sith were taught by an experienced force user - we only see Anakin and Luke but we know that the other characters, including Qui-Gon and Dooku - were once Padawans who were taught.
The jedi temple had many young Padawans, being taught from an early age.
Luke's first attempt at lightsaber fighting was against a training robot and he got owned. Rey's was against a trained sith, or equivalent, and she owned him.

These are all things that we have seen in the films, not my opinions.

There is a mythology here and although it's not black and white to deny it exists is just bullshit.

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote:The worst aspect of this film, like TFA, is the lack of training Rey has to undergo to achieve anything.

Luke was struggling to get his lightsaber out of the snow in his 2nd film, she's already busted jedi mind tricks without knowing anything about the force and in this one does multiple feats that Luke / Anakin could only do after training with a master. Lots of training.

Why did the Jedi bother training kids at all - just wait till they are 18 and give them 10 minutes and that's all you need apparently.

plus the superman bit is shite.

plus the whole slow motion chase is shite and dumb.

man, there were lots of worst aspects when I come to think of it. Absolute bollocks film, worse than any of the prequels - at least they took care to respect the characters and mythology a bit more.

Lovely visuals though, I'll give it that.

*Prepares considered post pointing out that the Force has always been treated inconsistently and not like a skillset to be learned so much as an innate characteristic of the user to be understood, and that the Jedi training in the Old Republic was mostly about following their organisation's rules rather than actually being proficient as a Force user*

*Sees "worse than any of the prequels"*

*Decides not to bother*

Just to be clear, the prequels were junk.

But they treated the mythology consistently and with some respect. The latest film doesn't. It treats the force like a superpower rather than something that has to be taught - previously there has always been the teacher / student relationship, for jedi or sith. There is zero force training for Rey but she's a master. Awesome.

Where is the inconsistency? support your claim - show me one other character who needed zero training to achieve jedi master powers.

Anakin Skywalker and podracing. And Anakin was 50% of the characters we have seen go through the process of learning to be a force user. There really isn't a mythology here to be consistent or inconsistent to, if you think the previous films had laid down hard rules about how Jedi are taught you are simply mistaken.

Whatever you do, don't tell him how the slave boy at the end picked up his broom. That should require at least a year's training, leaving ample screentime for trade embargo negotiations...

I want to know who taught Rey and Poe to speak droid???

Let’s be clear here.

We’ve swapped Han Solo and Luke Skywalker for emo-Finn and cheesey-Dameron.


Good work, Star Wars guardians...

shanky wrote:Let’s be clear here.

We’ve swapped Han Solo and Luke Skywalker for emo-Finn and cheesey-Dameron.


Good work, Star Wars guardians...

Gen X-ers vs Millenials. No contest.

I wanted to like it.

it was crap

Sandstorm wrote:

shanky wrote:Let’s be clear here.

We’ve swapped Han Solo and Luke Skywalker for emo-Finn and cheesey-Dameron.


Good work, Star Wars guardians...

Gen X-ers vs Millenials. No contest.

WitchKing wrote: You think that's comparable to what Rey can do? I'm talking about force powers - telekinesis, telepathy, advanced lightsaber combat - stuff that Jedi can do.
We were told he had great reflexes - that's it. There is no comparison. He's not learnt how to use his force stuff yet.

Tell me what's mistaken here chuckie:
All Jedi and Sith were taught by an experienced force user - we only see Anakin and Luke but we know that the other characters, including Qui-Gon and Dooku - were once Padawans who were taught.
The jedi temple had many young Padawans, being taught from an early age.
Luke's first attempt at lightsaber fighting was against a training robot and he got owned. Rey's was against a trained sith, or equivalent, and she owned him.

These are all things that we have seen in the films, not my opinions.

There is a mythology here and although it's not black and white to deny it exists is just bullshit.

Well, no, but Rey's a different character. The thing that the original trilogy emphasised was that the Force is not something you control but rather something that is part of you, and Luke's consistent problem with it was that he didn't really believe any of that and was just interested in treating it like a new ship to pilot. "That is why you fail". Rey obviously doesn't have the "I don't believe it" problem because she has grown up obsessing about the events of the original trilogy and dreams of turning out to be someone special in the same way Luke did. So the one thing we know for sure to be a barrier to learning to use the Force, she doesn't have. We never see a jedi master teaching a padawan how to use a lightsaber or how to control people's thoughts, it's just something Jedi can do. What we consistently see is masters teaching their padawans how to be Jedi, not how to use the Force. And what TLJ spent its time focusing on with Rey and Luke is the question of whether Rey should even want to be a Jedi. This is not inconsistent with the way the previous films have treated learning the Force, even though it is a different take on the process.

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote: You think that's comparable to what Rey can do? I'm talking about force powers - telekinesis, telepathy, advanced lightsaber combat - stuff that Jedi can do.
We were told he had great reflexes - that's it. There is no comparison. He's not learnt how to use his force stuff yet.

Tell me what's mistaken here chuckie:
All Jedi and Sith were taught by an experienced force user - we only see Anakin and Luke but we know that the other characters, including Qui-Gon and Dooku - were once Padawans who were taught.
The jedi temple had many young Padawans, being taught from an early age.
Luke's first attempt at lightsaber fighting was against a training robot and he got owned. Rey's was against a trained sith, or equivalent, and she owned him.

These are all things that we have seen in the films, not my opinions.

There is a mythology here and although it's not black and white to deny it exists is just bullshit.

Well, no, but Rey's a different character. The thing that the original trilogy emphasised was that the Force is not something you control but rather something that is part of you, and Luke's consistent problem with it was that he didn't really believe any of that and was just interested in treating it like a new ship to pilot. "That is why you fail". Rey obviously doesn't have the "I don't believe it" problem because she has grown up obsessing about the events of the original trilogy and dreams of turning out to be someone special in the same way Luke did. So the one thing we know for sure to be a barrier to learning to use the Force, she doesn't have. We never see a jedi master teaching a padawan how to use a lightsaber or how to control people's thoughts, it's just something Jedi can do. What we consistently see is masters teaching their padawans how to be Jedi, not how to use the Force. And what TLJ spent its time focusing on with Rey and Luke is the question of whether Rey should even want to be a Jedi. This is not inconsistent with the way the previous films have treated learning the Force, even though it is a different take on the process.

You could be right. The only reason why someone becomes a Jedi is to use the Light side of the force and avoid the dark. Otherwise you're a student of the Sith.

What we DO hear throughout the films is that you need special training to master the Dark side in particular. Sith Lords emphasize the training aspect even more than Yoda.

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote: You think that's comparable to what Rey can do? I'm talking about force powers - telekinesis, telepathy, advanced lightsaber combat - stuff that Jedi can do.
We were told he had great reflexes - that's it. There is no comparison. He's not learnt how to use his force stuff yet.

Tell me what's mistaken here chuckie:
All Jedi and Sith were taught by an experienced force user - we only see Anakin and Luke but we know that the other characters, including Qui-Gon and Dooku - were once Padawans who were taught.
The jedi temple had many young Padawans, being taught from an early age.
Luke's first attempt at lightsaber fighting was against a training robot and he got owned. Rey's was against a trained sith, or equivalent, and she owned him.

These are all things that we have seen in the films, not my opinions.

There is a mythology here and although it's not black and white to deny it exists is just bullshit.

Well, no, but Rey's a different character. The thing that the original trilogy emphasised was that the Force is not something you control but rather something that is part of you, and Luke's consistent problem with it was that he didn't really believe any of that and was just interested in treating it like a new ship to pilot. "That is why you fail". Rey obviously doesn't have the "I don't believe it" problem because she has grown up obsessing about the events of the original trilogy and dreams of turning out to be someone special in the same way Luke did. So the one thing we know for sure to be a barrier to learning to use the Force, she doesn't have. We never see a jedi master teaching a padawan how to use a lightsaber or how to control people's thoughts, it's just something Jedi can do. What we consistently see is masters teaching their padawans how to be Jedi, not how to use the Force. And what TLJ spent its time focusing on with Rey and Luke is the question of whether Rey should even want to be a Jedi. This is not inconsistent with the way the previous films have treated learning the Force, even though it is a different take on the process.

Luke and everyone before him needed training (including yoda, obi-wan, anakin, dooku), Rey doesn't. She's a jedi master instantly and without effort. She can do everything - fly the falcon just like Han? no worries. Beat down Luke Skywalker? not a problem. Jedi mind trick some dude - at once.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree if you think that's a positive development or somehow consistent with what has gone before.

She's not a Jedi master, she's just good at using the Force. The films have already made it clear that this is not what makes you a Jedi master

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Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote: You think that's comparable to what Rey can do? I'm talking about force powers - telekinesis, telepathy, advanced lightsaber combat - stuff that Jedi can do.
We were told he had great reflexes - that's it. There is no comparison. He's not learnt how to use his force stuff yet.

Tell me what's mistaken here chuckie:
All Jedi and Sith were taught by an experienced force user - we only see Anakin and Luke but we know that the other characters, including Qui-Gon and Dooku - were once Padawans who were taught.
The jedi temple had many young Padawans, being taught from an early age.
Luke's first attempt at lightsaber fighting was against a training robot and he got owned. Rey's was against a trained sith, or equivalent, and she owned him.

These are all things that we have seen in the films, not my opinions.

There is a mythology here and although it's not black and white to deny it exists is just bullshit.

Well, no, but Rey's a different character. The thing that the original trilogy emphasised was that the Force is not something you control but rather something that is part of you, and Luke's consistent problem with it was that he didn't really believe any of that and was just interested in treating it like a new ship to pilot. "That is why you fail". Rey obviously doesn't have the "I don't believe it" problem because she has grown up obsessing about the events of the original trilogy and dreams of turning out to be someone special in the same way Luke did. So the one thing we know for sure to be a barrier to learning to use the Force, she doesn't have. We never see a jedi master teaching a padawan how to use a lightsaber or how to control people's thoughts, it's just something Jedi can do. What we consistently see is masters teaching their padawans how to be Jedi, not how to use the Force. And what TLJ spent its time focusing on with Rey and Luke is the question of whether Rey should even want to be a Jedi. This is not inconsistent with the way the previous films have treated learning the Force, even though it is a different take on the process.

Chuckles1188 wrote:She's not a Jedi master, she's just good at using the Force. The films have already made it clear that this is not what makes you a Jedi master

name 1 other character who gets jedi master powers instantly and without effort or training?
just 1 will do it

where is it made clear that there are people with these powers that are not either jedi or sith?
just 1 will do it

If it's clear that using the force is not what makes you a jedi, show me the jedi that have no force powers
just 1 will do it

There may be more to being a jedi than the powers, but that's a major component. You have to be strong in the force.

guy smiley wrote:

WitchKing wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:She's not a Jedi master, she's just good at using the Force. The films have already made it clear that this is not what makes you a Jedi master

name 1 other character who gets jedi master powers instantly and without effort or training?
just 1 will do it

where is it made clear that there are people with these powers that are not either jedi or sith?
just 1 will do it

If it's clear that using the force is not what makes you a jedi, show me the jedi that have no force powers
just 1 will do it

There may be more to being a jedi than the powers, but that's a major component. You have to be strong in the force.

but she is, just without the robes and haircut

and training and effort

They do go to fairly great lengths to make it clear that they haven't really felt anyone with Rey's raw power before - it scared Luke quite a lot.
If we think waaaaaaaay back to the title of VII, it's called 'The Force Awakens' - referring to when Rey picks up the Light Savre and has an 'Awakening'. Presumably this awakens the connection with the Force for her and is something that not all Jedi may go through, given the hushed tones in which it's spoken of. Short cut? Kinda. Doesn't help her control it, discipline herself or prevent her from heading straight to the Dark side which is apparently more seductive than Jessica Rabbit pouring a Roofie-colada down your throat.

danny_fitz wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

WitchKing wrote: You think that's comparable to what Rey can do? I'm talking about force powers - telekinesis, telepathy, advanced lightsaber combat - stuff that Jedi can do.
We were told he had great reflexes - that's it. There is no comparison. He's not learnt how to use his force stuff yet.

Tell me what's mistaken here chuckie:
All Jedi and Sith were taught by an experienced force user - we only see Anakin and Luke but we know that the other characters, including Qui-Gon and Dooku - were once Padawans who were taught.
The jedi temple had many young Padawans, being taught from an early age.
Luke's first attempt at lightsaber fighting was against a training robot and he got owned. Rey's was against a trained sith, or equivalent, and she owned him.

These are all things that we have seen in the films, not my opinions.

There is a mythology here and although it's not black and white to deny it exists is just bullshit.

Well, no, but Rey's a different character. The thing that the original trilogy emphasised was that the Force is not something you control but rather something that is part of you, and Luke's consistent problem with it was that he didn't really believe any of that and was just interested in treating it like a new ship to pilot. "That is why you fail". Rey obviously doesn't have the "I don't believe it" problem because she has grown up obsessing about the events of the original trilogy and dreams of turning out to be someone special in the same way Luke did. So the one thing we know for sure to be a barrier to learning to use the Force, she doesn't have. We never see a jedi master teaching a padawan how to use a lightsaber or how to control people's thoughts, it's just something Jedi can do. What we consistently see is masters teaching their padawans how to be Jedi, not how to use the Force. And what TLJ spent its time focusing on with Rey and Luke is the question of whether Rey should even want to be a Jedi. This is not inconsistent with the way the previous films have treated learning the Force, even though it is a different take on the process.

Not explicitly stated to be padawans, the implication is that they are still very raw.

WitchKing wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:She's not a Jedi master, she's just good at using the Force. The films have already made it clear that this is not what makes you a Jedi master

name 1 other character who gets jedi master powers instantly and without effort or training?
just 1 will do it

where is it made clear that there are people with these powers that are not either jedi or sith?
just 1 will do it

If it's clear that using the force is not what makes you a jedi, show me the jedi that have no force powers
just 1 will do it

There may be more to being a jedi than the powers, but that's a major component. You have to be strong in the force.

What are "jedi master powers"?

WitchKing wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:She's not a Jedi master, she's just good at using the Force. The films have already made it clear that this is not what makes you a Jedi master

name 1 other character who gets jedi master powers instantly and without effort or training?
just 1 will do it

Leia seems to be able to communicate with Luke over long distances without training, then flies like Jesus. She's only trained in princessing and complaining.
.

Saw the Last Jedi last night - was disappointed. Terrible plot holes, 'Disney' moments, lack of depth and token characters ruined the film (before we even get to the terrible dialogue and hammy performances).

On a par with Revenge of the Sith in my opinion. 4/10

Also.....why didn't they explain how Phasma got out of the garbage shoot?

Man In Black wrote:Anyone else think they just cut Phasma out of it for being shit? Can't believe they would use an actress of that profile in a role that could have been played by anyone tall.

I know that in TFA there was a lot of filming with Lupita Nyong'o that JJA cut because he didn't like her performance. Perhaps Gwendoline Christie walked weird or something...

Wait...Star Wars directors are actually interested in the stars acting ability??

Mullet 2 wrote:I wanted to like it.

it was crap

Succinctly put. Everytime Chuckles puts up one of his apologist posts people should just post this till he gives it away.

Man In Black wrote:Anyone else think they just cut Phasma out of it for being shit? Can't believe they would use an actress of that profile in a role that could have been played by anyone tall.

I know that in TFA there was a lot of filming with Lupita Nyong'o that JJA cut because he didn't like her performance. Perhaps Gwendoline Christie walked weird or something...

That’s interesting, didn’t rate her as a voice actor?

Phasma was a shit character. Think Johnson got the most he could out of it by using it to cram some more character development into Finn. I’m just glad he closed off most of the 8 million little breadcrumb trails that JJA compulsively leaves everywhere.

Dumbledore wrote:

Man In Black wrote:
Phasma was a shit character. Think Johnson got the most he could out of it by using it to cram some more character development into Finn. I’m just glad he closed off most of the 8 million little breadcrumb trails that JJA compulsively leaves everywhere.

As per my point above, I think:

1). They wrote too much and couldn't fit the plots into the 3 movies.

2). There will be a plenty of Phasma Canon books/tie-ins.

Most Probably:

3). They were riding the wave of her GoT's part and wanted to cash in

There will absolutely be a lot of Phasma tie-in stuff in books, comics, etc.

Similarly, I can see no other reason to have Maz Kanata taking a FaceTime call while in the middle of a firefight than because said firefight will feature in an episode of Maz’s spinoff cartoon/comic/novel series.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote:

Dumbledore wrote:

Man In Black wrote:
Phasma was a shit character. Think Johnson got the most he could out of it by using it to cram some more character development into Finn. I’m just glad he closed off most of the 8 million little breadcrumb trails that JJA compulsively leaves everywhere.

As per my point above, I think:

1). They wrote too much and couldn't fit the plots into the 3 movies.

2). There will be a plenty of Phasma Canon books/tie-ins.

Most Probably:

3). They were riding the wave of her GoT's part and wanted to cash in

Re: 3), wouldn’t have thought so considering we never even see who she is.

DOB wrote:There will absolutely be a lot of Phasma tie-in stuff in books, comics, etc.

Similarly, I can see no other reason to have Maz Kanata taking a FaceTime call while in the middle of a firefight than because said firefight will feature in an episode of Maz’s spinoff cartoon/comic/novel series.

I think a lot of the criticism is for criticism's sake and enjoy the movies more for what they are instead of expecting Casablanca from them, but yes, that scene was dumb.

WitchKing wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:She's not a Jedi master, she's just good at using the Force. The films have already made it clear that this is not what makes you a Jedi master

name 1 other character who gets jedi master powers instantly and without effort or training?
just 1 will do it

where is it made clear that there are people with these powers that are not either jedi or sith?
just 1 will do it

If it's clear that using the force is not what makes you a jedi, show me the jedi that have no force powers
just 1 will do it

There may be more to being a jedi than the powers, but that's a major component. You have to be strong in the force.

Calm the phuck down ffs. It's a phucking story and myself and others phucking enjoy it without getting all bent about semantics. Go sit on a lightsabre.

Dumbledore wrote:

Man In Black wrote:Anyone else think they just cut Phasma out of it for being shit? Can't believe they would use an actress of that profile in a role that could have been played by anyone tall.

I know that in TFA there was a lot of filming with Lupita Nyong'o that JJA cut because he didn't like her performance. Perhaps Gwendoline Christie walked weird or something...

That’s interesting, didn’t rate her as a voice actor?

Phasma was a shit character. Think Johnson got the most he could out of it by using it to cram some more character development into Finn. I’m just glad he closed off most of the 8 million little breadcrumb trails that JJA compulsively leaves everywhere.

Was she a shit character? She just seemed a non-character. She literally had nothing to do but be a recognisible stormtrooper for Finn to hate.

Written in for an extra stormtrooper toy to sell. Or as others believe, Disney was certain she would help sell more Star Wars toys to girls.

DOB wrote:There will absolutely be a lot of Phasma tie-in stuff in books, comics, etc.

Similarly, I can see no other reason to have Maz Kanata taking a FaceTime call while in the middle of a firefight than because said firefight will feature in an episode of Maz’s spinoff cartoon/comic/novel series.

That was an exceptionally shit scene. Typical of the OTT shite the originals avoided.

mr bungle wrote:

DOB wrote:There will absolutely be a lot of Phasma tie-in stuff in books, comics, etc.

Similarly, I can see no other reason to have Maz Kanata taking a FaceTime call while in the middle of a firefight than because said firefight will feature in an episode of Maz’s spinoff cartoon/comic/novel series.

That was an exceptionally shit scene. Typical of the OTT shite the originals avoided.

Everything has to be bigger, better, louder and quicker.
None of these movies come close to the originals.

Floppykid wrote:

mr bungle wrote:

DOB wrote:There will absolutely be a lot of Phasma tie-in stuff in books, comics, etc.

Similarly, I can see no other reason to have Maz Kanata taking a FaceTime call while in the middle of a firefight than because said firefight will feature in an episode of Maz’s spinoff cartoon/comic/novel series.

That was an exceptionally shit scene. Typical of the OTT shite the originals avoided.

Everything has to be bigger, better, louder and quicker.
None of these movies come close to the originals.

Couldn’t agree with you more, and we agree on most things

That scene wasn’t just a FaceTime call & firefight. She was bouncing around taking names like Alvin the chipmunk meets Rambo. What did it add to the story? And why feature such ludicrous cartoonesque nonsense?

Floppykid wrote:

mr bungle wrote:

DOB wrote:There will absolutely be a lot of Phasma tie-in stuff in books, comics, etc.

Similarly, I can see no other reason to have Maz Kanata taking a FaceTime call while in the middle of a firefight than because said firefight will feature in an episode of Maz’s spinoff cartoon/comic/novel series.

That was an exceptionally shit scene. Typical of the OTT shite the originals avoided.

Everything has to be bigger, better, louder and quicker.
None of these movies come close to the originals.

Well tbf that was the progression of the original trilogy. Don't kid yourself though; if the same technology was available to Lucas post A New Hope we'd have the same ridiculous computer-gamery storytelling from the prequels. This trilogy is rather tame and tasteful compared to scenes like say, a giant robot army fighting a giant frog army in a giant field, or a Jedi riding a lizard monster like a horse, complete with the same 3....2.....1.....GO! loading screen.

Also, have you even seen this movie?!