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The goodies were too jokey jokey and didn’t seem serious enough about saving the galaxy - too much light hearted banter

Kylo ren just seems like a confused brat with adhd, nothing on Vader - not enough extremes in this movie

So far for me it’s 5,4,6,3,8,7 - 1 and 2 aren’t worth mentioning

brat wrote:The goodies were too jokey jokey and didn’t seem serious enough about saving the galaxy - too much light hearted banter

Kylo ren just seems like a confused brat with adhd, nothing on Vader - not enough extremes in this movie

So far for me it’s 5,4,6,3,8,7 - 1 and 2 aren’t worth mentioning

That's completely my order as well.

eldanielfire wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:I always thought it was pretty good how Leia had to comfort Luke after an old drifter he'd just met a couple of days ago had died, while she'd just witnessed her entire planet and population get annihilated.

Luke had known Obi wan for years even if he didn't really know he was a Jedi. I think also after his aunt and uncle died Luke still had Obi Wan's father like figure and direction and the excitement of adventure Obi Wan offered, so by that point Luke realised he had nothing, his mates had all gone off to join the rebels as well, he could be reflecting on all that he lost by that point in a short time. Leia at this point was still all business and was brought up to be a rebel leader and absorb shit like that, even if she would mourn later.

I can't believe that got a serious response.

I'm purposely giving serious responses to all these posts.

I take my hat off to you good sir.

eldanielfire wrote:

brat wrote:The goodies were too jokey jokey and didn’t seem serious enough about saving the galaxy - too much light hearted banter

Kylo ren just seems like a confused brat with adhd, nothing on Vader - not enough extremes in this movie

So far for me it’s 5,4,6,3,8,7 - 1 and 2 aren’t worth mentioning

That's completely my order as well.

Yeh I quite liked 3 -revenge of the sith- a lot more so than the last 2 movies

The way anakin becomes Vader and the evil darth sidious /palpitine

Revenge of the Sith only had better music. That's it for me. It was a decent movie but I prefer TFA and TLJ to it.

As an aside I don't think the music has been as good in any of the recent trilogy. No Duel of Fates or similar.

I liked ROTS But that too had some ridiculous moments

I can help you save Padmé! just go and murder loads of kids.

But Sidious doing spiral twists and backflips and pulling goofy faces while fighting windu needs some serious editing..

4,5,8,6,7,3,1,2

Empire is obviously a better film than A New Hope, but I don’t enjoy it as much so hey

covrich wrote:I liked ROTS But that too had some ridiculous moments

I can help you save Padmé! just go and murder loads of kids.

But Sidious doing spiral twists and backflips and pulling goofy faces while fighting windu needs some serious editing..

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

FUCK off George Lucas.

covrich wrote:I liked ROTS But that too had some ridiculous moments

I can help you save Padmé! just go and murder loads of kids.

But Sidious doing spiral twists and backflips and pulling goofy faces while fighting windu needs some serious editing..

It had some ridiculous parts alright, particularly in the melodramatic last lightsaber battle

"My Empire!"

"You will try".

"From my point of view it is the Jedi who are evil"

"I HAAAAATE YOOOOOU!"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Bullettyme wrote:

covrich wrote:I liked ROTS But that too had some ridiculous moments

I can help you save Padmé! just go and murder loads of kids.

But Sidious doing spiral twists and backflips and pulling goofy faces while fighting windu needs some serious editing..

It had some ridiculous parts alright, particularly in the melodramatic last lightsaber battle

"My Empire!"

"You will try".

"From my point of view it is the Jedi who are evil"

"I HAAAAATE YOOOOOU!"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

It was marginally less terrible than its predecessors, but still a largely shite green-screen-dominated shambles of a film with lousy dialogue. And the word "younglings", FFS.

I've never got the ROTS was OK thing. It wasn't quite as bad as 1 & 2, but that's damning it with the very faintest of praise. It's still a dreadful story with awful dialogue, cardboard characters, poor direction and a laughably absurd anti-hero; and most of it is a f**king cartoon.

I'm not sure what I make of TFA or TLJ; they seem fairly flawed to me in ways the original trilogy was not. But I would be happy to watch them again without requiring compulsion. Unlike ROTS.

Dumbledore wrote:4,5,8,6,7,3,1,2

Empire is obviously a better film than A New Hope, but I don’t enjoy it as much so hey

That's fair enough. They are both regarded as masterpieces of the genre and two very different films.

fudge off, Brazil, with the whole posting the same thing as me a bit quicker because I have keyboard diarrhoea.

Mahoney wrote:fudge off, Brazil, with the whole posting the same thing as me a bit quicker because I have keyboard diarrhoea.

I think, in the case of ROTS, it bears repeating. Same as Prometheus.

eldanielfire wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:I always thought it was pretty good how Leia had to comfort Luke after an old drifter he'd just met a couple of days ago had died, while she'd just witnessed her entire planet and population get annihilated.

Luke had known Obi wan for years even if he didn't really know he was a Jedi. I think also after his aunt and uncle died Luke still had Obi Wan's father like figure and direction and the excitement of adventure Obi Wan offered, so by that point Luke realised he had nothing, his mates had all gone off to join the rebels as well, he could be reflecting on all that he lost by that point in a short time. Leia at this point was still all business and was brought up to be a rebel leader and absorb shit like that, even if she would mourn later.

Luke had literally never met Obi-Wan before the events of A New Hope. He'd heard of him as some quasi-mythic old dude but when they met for the first time Luke had to ask Obi-Wan if he knew who Obi-Wan Kenobi was. Your explanation hangs together, just about, as regards the fact that Luke needed consoling to get over the death of one guy he'd just met because he was callow and naive but Leia was fine having lost her home and everything she loved because she wasn't new to this whole Rebellion schtick and knew what the stakes were, but it's mostly a case of Protagonist Centred Morality.

Brazil wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:

covrich wrote:I liked ROTS But that too had some ridiculous moments

I can help you save Padmé! just go and murder loads of kids.

But Sidious doing spiral twists and backflips and pulling goofy faces while fighting windu needs some serious editing..

It had some ridiculous parts alright, particularly in the melodramatic last lightsaber battle

"My Empire!"

"You will try".

"From my point of view it is the Jedi who are evil"

"I HAAAAATE YOOOOOU!"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

It was marginally less terrible than its predecessors, but still a largely shite green-screen-dominated shambles of a film with lousy dialogue. And the word "younglings", FFS.

They were starting to get really clever with the product placement

Brazil wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:

covrich wrote:I liked ROTS But that too had some ridiculous moments

I can help you save Padmé! just go and murder loads of kids.

But Sidious doing spiral twists and backflips and pulling goofy faces while fighting windu needs some serious editing..

It had some ridiculous parts alright, particularly in the melodramatic last lightsaber battle

"My Empire!"

"You will try".

"From my point of view it is the Jedi who are evil"

"I HAAAAATE YOOOOOU!"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

It was marginally less terrible than its predecessors, but still a largely shite green-screen-dominated shambles of a film with lousy dialogue. And the word "younglings", FFS.

Let's also not forget this Oscar winning scene:

Anakin: You are so…beautiful.
Padme: It’s only because I’m so in love.
Anakin: No. No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.
Padme: Then love has blinded you?
Anakin: Well…that’s not exactly what I meant.
Padme: But it’s probably true.

Chuckles1188 wrote:Luke had literally never met Obi-Wan before the events of A New Hope. He'd heard of him as some quasi-mythic old dude but when they met for the first time Luke had to ask Obi-Wan if he knew who Obi-Wan Kenobi was. Your explanation hangs together, just about, as regards the fact that Luke needed consoling to get over the death of one guy he'd just met but Leia was fine having lost her home and everything she loved, but it's mostly a case of Protagonist Centred Morality.

He asks him that because he knows him as Ben Kenobi. Before he meets him on film he refers to "Old Ben" as if it's someone he's well aware of.

For some reason no-one in the Star Wars universe ever puts two and two together when it comes to famous surnames.

Mahoney wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:Luke had literally never met Obi-Wan before the events of A New Hope. He'd heard of him as some quasi-mythic old dude but when they met for the first time Luke had to ask Obi-Wan if he knew who Obi-Wan Kenobi was. Your explanation hangs together, just about, as regards the fact that Luke needed consoling to get over the death of one guy he'd just met but Leia was fine having lost her home and everything she loved, but it's mostly a case of Protagonist Centred Morality.

He asks him that because he knows him as Ben Kenobi. Before he meets him on film he refers to "Old Ben" as if it's someone he's well aware of.

Aware of but very obviously had not met before. The dialogue is not ambiguous about Luke's prior relationship with him - he doesn't have one

Bullettyme wrote:

Brazil wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:

covrich wrote:I liked ROTS But that too had some ridiculous moments

I can help you save Padmé! just go and murder loads of kids.

But Sidious doing spiral twists and backflips and pulling goofy faces while fighting windu needs some serious editing..

It had some ridiculous parts alright, particularly in the melodramatic last lightsaber battle

"My Empire!"

"You will try".

"From my point of view it is the Jedi who are evil"

"I HAAAAATE YOOOOOU!"

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

It was marginally less terrible than its predecessors, but still a largely shite green-screen-dominated shambles of a film with lousy dialogue. And the word "younglings", FFS.

Let's also not forget this Oscar winning scene:

Anakin: You are so…beautiful.
Padme: It’s only because I’m so in love.
Anakin: No. No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.
Padme: Then love has blinded you?
Anakin: Well…that’s not exactly what I meant.
Padme: But it’s probably true.

Though weirdly, if you give that to Minnie Driver and John Cussak in Grosse Pointe Blank it works really well.

Luke literally recognises him the moment he sees him - "Ben? Ben Kenobi? Boy am I glad to see you!".
https://youtu.be/YZ_mjtTCdcg?t=60

Mahoney wrote:For some reason no-one in the Star Wars universe ever puts two and two together when it comes to famous surnames.

Kenobi is like Smith on Tatooine.

Mahoney wrote:Luke literally recognises him the moment he sees him - "Ben? Ben Kenobi? Boy am I glad to see you!".
https://youtu.be/YZ_mjtTCdcg?t=60

Because he's aware of who he is.

Brazil wrote: Though weirdly, if you give that to Minnie Driver and John Cussak in Grosse Pointe Blank it works really well.

John Cusack in Grosse Pointe mode as Anakin could have saved those films.

Watto: What have you been doing with your life?

Anakin: Uh... jedi killer.

Watto: Oh! Good for you, it's a growth industry.

And knows what he looks like.

Mahoney wrote:And knows what he looks like.

Yes. The dialogue gives zero indication that Luke actually has a pre-existing relationship with Kenobi. I know what Brian Blessed looks like and would of course be sad if he was killed in front of me, but that doesn't mean I know him or that it would make sense for me to need comforting by someone whose parents were killed in the Rwandan Genocide. It's absolutely Protagonist Centred Morality. It's an acceptable example for reasons already mentioned, but that is absolutely what it is

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Mahoney wrote:And knows what he looks like.

Yes. The dialogue gives zero indication that Luke actually has a pre-existing relationship with Kenobi. I know what Brian Blessed looks like and would of course be sad if he was killed in front of me, but that doesn't mean I know him or that it would make sense for me to need comforting by someone whose parents were killed in the Rwandan Genocide. It's absolutely Protagonist Centred Morality. It's an acceptable example for reasons already mentioned, but that is absolutely what it is

Or Leia is just a cold-hearted bitch.

Sandstorm wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Mahoney wrote:And knows what he looks like.

Yes. The dialogue gives zero indication that Luke actually has a pre-existing relationship with Kenobi. I know what Brian Blessed looks like and would of course be sad if he was killed in front of me, but that doesn't mean I know him or that it would make sense for me to need comforting by someone whose parents were killed in the Rwandan Genocide. It's absolutely Protagonist Centred Morality. It's an acceptable example for reasons already mentioned, but that is absolutely what it is

Or Leia is just a cold-hearted bitch.

Bit weird for her to comfort this mopey fucking teenager she's just met then

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Mahoney wrote:And knows what he looks like.

Yes. The dialogue gives zero indication that Luke actually has a pre-existing relationship with Kenobi. I know what Brian Blessed looks like and would of course be sad if he was killed in front of me, but that doesn't mean I know him or that it would make sense for me to need comforting by someone whose parents were killed in the Rwandan Genocide. It's absolutely Protagonist Centred Morality. It's an acceptable example for reasons already mentioned, but that is absolutely what it is

Or Leia is just a cold-hearted bitch.

Bit weird for her to comfort this mopey fucking teenager she's just met then

She was going to steal his milk money

Ahhhh, the plot thickens

I didn't like it. And I wanted to like it.

It wasn't the plot holes or incorrect science that put me off.

It was the overuse of miraculous rescues. When Millennium Falcon rescues the rebels out of nowhere at the battle in front of the door. How Rose saves Finn despite being behind him (he was full speed ahead at the battering ram and rose had already retreated but yet is able to loop around and save him??). Luke coming to the rescue at then end again. There are more examples from earlier in the movie but i just found it tiring and lazy.

In my view, given that Luke on hearing the name "Obi-wan Kenobi" immediately says something like "I wonder if he means old Ben, the hermit", who clearly lives fairly locally to his small community, and then immediately recognises said Ben Kenobi by sight, the natural interpretation in the absence of anything more explicit is that he had met him before. He isn't a famous person that anyone in touch with popular culture would recognise, as far as Luke is aware. As far as I can see there's no particular reason for Luke ever to have seen an image of him. And they live near to each other. I'd always interpreted it that Ben Kenobi was just a part of the background fabric of Luke's life.

(For what little it's worth, a quick google suggests there was a comic that had them meeting when Luke was a young teen that Lucas recognised as canon. But my view was formed simply from multiple watchings of Star Wars.)

Mahoney wrote:In my view, given that Luke on hearing the name "Obi-wan Kenobi" immediately says something like "I wonder if he means old Ben, the hermit", who clearly lives fairly locally to his small community, and then immediately recognises said Ben Kenobi by sight, the natural interpretation in the absence of anything more explicit is that he had met him before. He isn't a famous person that anyone in touch with popular culture would recognise, as far as Luke is aware. As far as I can see there's no particular reason for Luke ever to have seen an image of him. And they live near to each other. I'd always interpreted it that Ben Kenobi was just a part of the background fabric of Luke's life.

(For what little it's worth, a quick google suggests there was a comic that had them meeting when Luke was a young teen that Lucas recognised as canon. But my view was formed simply from multiple watchings of Star Wars.)

That all makes sense, I just never got the impression from my own multiple viewings that Luke did know him. Their interactions in the first act always felt to me like they were meeting for the first time, but that Luke knew about this crazy old guy because he's famous as the crazy old guy. Both are probably supportable, in fairness.

And it's something of a distraction from the question of why would Obi-Wan's death be more significant to the two characters than the destruction of Alderaan, in reality

tiddle wrote:I didn't like it. And I wanted to like it.

It wasn't the plot holes or incorrect science that put me off.

It was the overuse of miraculous rescues. When Millennium Falcon rescues the rebels out of nowhere at the battle in front of the door. How Rose saves Finn despite being behind him (he was full speed ahead at the battering ram and rose had already retreated but yet is able to loop around and save him??). Luke coming to the rescue at then end again. There are more examples from earlier in the movie but i just found it tiring and lazy.

In the new films the Falcon seems to be amazingly robust as well, flying low level through forests felling trees in the process and slamming into the ground several times without any noticeable damage.

Although fun too watch it always seemed to be the worse choice of ship (largish converted freighter) to be flying around confined spaces (death stars inner core, underground caves and derelict star destroyers).

It's worth noting that the Falcon isn't really a massive cargo hauler in itself. It's basically a massive set of engines with a few smuggling hides in it. It's a big rig without the cargo trailers hitched.

Turbogoat wrote:It's worth noting that the Falcon isn't really a massive cargo hauler in itself. It's basically a massive set of engines with a few smuggling hides in it. It's a big rig without the cargo trailers hitched.

Top nerding

danny_fitz wrote:

tiddle wrote:I didn't like it. And I wanted to like it.

It wasn't the plot holes or incorrect science that put me off.

It was the overuse of miraculous rescues. When Millennium Falcon rescues the rebels out of nowhere at the battle in front of the door. How Rose saves Finn despite being behind him (he was full speed ahead at the battering ram and rose had already retreated but yet is able to loop around and save him??). Luke coming to the rescue at then end again. There are more examples from earlier in the movie but i just found it tiring and lazy.

In the new films the Falcon seems to be amazingly robust as well, flying low level through forests felling trees in the process and slamming into the ground several times without any noticeable damage.

Although fun too watch it always seemed to be the worse choice of ship (largish converted freighter) to be flying around confined spaces (death stars inner core, underground caves and derelict star destroyers).

You two need to shut your holes!!! The Falcon can do anything, anywhere, anytime! And really, really fast as well.

Turbogoat wrote:It's worth noting that the Falcon isn't really a massive cargo hauler in itself. It's basically a massive set of engines with a few smuggling hides in it. It's a big rig without the cargo trailers hitched.

neat

Sandstorm wrote:

danny_fitz wrote:

tiddle wrote:I didn't like it. And I wanted to like it.

It wasn't the plot holes or incorrect science that put me off.

It was the overuse of miraculous rescues. When Millennium Falcon rescues the rebels out of nowhere at the battle in front of the door. How Rose saves Finn despite being behind him (he was full speed ahead at the battering ram and rose had already retreated but yet is able to loop around and save him??). Luke coming to the rescue at then end again. There are more examples from earlier in the movie but i just found it tiring and lazy.

In the new films the Falcon seems to be amazingly robust as well, flying low level through forests felling trees in the process and slamming into the ground several times without any noticeable damage.

Although fun too watch it always seemed to be the worse choice of ship (largish converted freighter) to be flying around confined spaces (death stars inner core, underground caves and derelict star destroyers).

You two need to shut your holes!!! The Falcon can do anything, anywhere, anytime! And really, really fast as well.