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Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?

A bit like that girl at work who is always getting dumped badly. Maybe it's not them. Maybe it's her?


You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women


Do those countries and their allies all get a vote on who the next UN Resolution is to target?
If they did it would seem unfair.


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The irony is that Israel is the only country in the ME that she would be able to perform a concert in.


Pretty sure she has played Dubai at some point.


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SASP wrote:
sewa wrote:
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shanky wrote:
Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?

A bit like that girl at work who is always getting dumped badly. Maybe it's not them. Maybe it's her?


You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women


Do those countries and their allies all get a vote on who the next UN Resolution is to target?
If they did it would seem unfair.


For now in the UNHRC Egypt is a member, other particular highlights could be Qatar, Rwanda, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Burundi, Congo.

You can see the historical members on their wiki page.


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SASP wrote:
sewa wrote:
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shanky wrote:
Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?

A bit like that girl at work who is always getting dumped badly. Maybe it's not them. Maybe it's her?


You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women


Do those countries and their allies all get a vote on who the next UN Resolution is to target?
If they did it would seem unfair.


Another resolution from the same UN who have Saudi on the human rights council. It reminds me of Father Ted. Is there anything to be said for another mass?


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It's seemingly true pretty much everywhere, that Israel is always the bigger news story,


Israel holds a 'record' of sorts as the subject of more UN Security Council resolutions than the rest of the world combined. I suggest that anti semitism is a very large and distasteful re herring used continually to excuse one of the world's poorest behaving nations. I'm not excusing the wrongs of other countries here. I'm suggesting that, when we discuss Israel and it's regional politics, the actions of other nations are irrelevant unless they are directly involved.

No other nation is working so hard to persecute Palestine. No other nation attracts such heavy duty support from the US.

There's your triggers for strong public sentiment. Crying about Russia doesn't negate any of it.


Everyone knows that. It's one of the reasons the UN isn't taken seriously by countries larger than, say NZ. Israel is not the worst country in the world you utter fool, despite what the UN may say.


I didn't say it was.

Try to use your brain independently dude. You look silly.


Ok fair cop you didn't directly say that but you did allude to the repeated UN Security Council resolutions as if they actually have any real meaning. To be fair to me I had about 4 hours sleep after New Year party and was reading off my phone.

Besides, GoEagles had already ripped you a new one so I shouldn't have bothered. The point has been made numerous time by other posters anyway.

Thinking independently is an interesting one though, what are you alluding to there?


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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


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sewa wrote:
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shanky wrote:
Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?

A bit like that girl at work who is always getting dumped badly. Maybe it's not them. Maybe it's her?


You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women

Also Lebanon and Jordan.
Israel levelled Lebanon in 2006 as collective punishment for the actions of Hezbollah. How does that help anybody?


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You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women

Also Lebanon and Jordan.
Israel levelled Lebanon in 2006 as collective punishment for the actions of Hezbollah. How does that help anybody?


The attacks from Hezbollah were greatly diminished as the Lebanese population realized you can't let nutters in your midst indiscriminately attack another country using you as a human shield indefinitely.


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Apparently there's a move to paint Shmuley Boteach as a bit of a Nazi lover in order to undermine the ad, which is pretty revolting. He might he a penoid - my wife knows a little about him from his time at Oxford and reckons he's a piece of work - but he ain't no Nazi lover from what I can see. There are probably plenty of good ways to critique his actions without going the full JCR.


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sewa wrote:
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You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women

Also Lebanon and Jordan.
Israel levelled Lebanon in 2006 as collective punishment for the actions of Hezbollah. How does that help anybody?


The attacks from Hezbollah were greatly diminished as the Lebanese population realized you can't let nutters in your midst indiscriminately attack another country using you as a human shield indefinitely.


Which is why they are in government there I suppose.


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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


Maybe. Maybe not. It's also attracted a shit tonne of media attention to Israel and their treatment of Palestinians however. If she genuinely felt she was making a stand, fair play to her.


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Man In Black wrote:
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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


I'm sure being able to point out perceived inconsistency in a 20yr old popstars world view must be particularly satisfying.

On the other hand, it does indicate that as a democratic country, Israel is susceptible to public opinion and that if a pack of voting age people are suddenly denied the privilege of seeing Lorde in concert, they might to put pressure on their own political leadership to stop oppressing a group of people. No other country in the region can boast of that. Russia can't claim that. Democracy rules.


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Bullettyme wrote:
sewa wrote:
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You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women

Also Lebanon and Jordan.
Israel levelled Lebanon in 2006 as collective punishment for the actions of Hezbollah. How does that help anybody?


The attacks from Hezbollah were greatly diminished as the Lebanese population realized you can't let nutters in your midst indiscriminately attack another country using you as a human shield indefinitely.


Which is why they are in government there I suppose.


As I said the attacks have greatly diminished if not stopped completely, who is winning their (more than likely rigged) elections is neither here nor there. Their Iranian puppet masters have their own domestic issues to deal with right now too so its a win-win for Israel.


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Uncle Fester wrote:
Israel levelled Lebanon in 2006 as collective punishment for the actions of Hezbollah. How does that help anybody?


All they are doing with continued aggression toward Lebanon is turning former supporters against them. Especially Maronites.


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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


I'm sure being able to point out perceived inconsistency in a 20yr old popstars world view must be particularly satisfying.

On the other hand, it does indicate that as a democratic country, Israel is susceptible to public opinion and that if a pack of voting age people are suddenly denied the privilege of seeing Lorde in concert, they might to put pressure on their own political leadership to stop oppressing a group of people. No other country in the region can boast of that. Russia can't claim that. Democracy rules.


Christ, imagine if Lorde is the one who brings peace to the Middle East. You Kiwis will be insufferable.


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Turbogoat wrote:
Man In Black wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


I'm sure being able to point out perceived inconsistency in a 20yr old popstars world view must be particularly satisfying.

On the other hand, it does indicate that as a democratic country, Israel is susceptible to public opinion and that if a pack of voting age people are suddenly denied the privilege of seeing Lorde in concert, they might to put pressure on their own political leadership to stop oppressing a group of people. No other country in the region can boast of that. Russia can't claim that. Democracy rules.


So Lorde denying the liberal population the chance to see her live, may shock them into an uprising against their government's attitude towards the Palestinian minority? She's fiddling with Israel's domestic politics all the way from her vantage point in Devonport.

That's some 4D chess right there. Nicely played Ella. :thumbup:


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Man In Black wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Man In Black wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:
Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


I'm sure being able to point out perceived inconsistency in a 20yr old popstars world view must be particularly satisfying.

On the other hand, it does indicate that as a democratic country, Israel is susceptible to public opinion and that if a pack of voting age people are suddenly denied the privilege of seeing Lorde in concert, they might to put pressure on their own political leadership to stop oppressing a group of people. No other country in the region can boast of that. Russia can't claim that. Democracy rules.


So Lorde denying the liberal population the chance to see her live, may shock them into an uprising against their government's attitude towards the Palestinian minority? She's fiddling with Israel's domestic politics all the way from her vantage point in Devonport.

That's some 4D chess right there. Nicely played Ella. :thumbup:


That's actually the point of these boycotts etc... to make the local population less accepting of what their gubmint does in their name. This is why there's not much point in doing it in countries that are dictatorships, or are otherwise undemocratic.


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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


I'm sure being able to point out perceived inconsistency in a 20yr old popstars world view must be particularly satisfying.

On the other hand, it does indicate that as a democratic country, Israel is susceptible to public opinion and that if a pack of voting age people are suddenly denied the privilege of seeing Lorde in concert, they might to put pressure on their own political leadership to stop oppressing a group of people. No other country in the region can boast of that. Russia can't claim that. Democracy rules.


Christ, imagine if Lorde is the one who brings peace to the Middle East. You Kiwis will be insufferable.


Worship the Lorde, have no other Lordes before her, and do not take the name of the Lorde (your God) in vain?


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The underlying issue was that Israel waa created by people who simply invaded Palestine and took over.


Lets assume you are correct (I don't but for the sake of argument). Your solution to this issue now is what?


Chop it straight in 1/2 ala Solomon?


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Man In Black wrote:
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Man In Black wrote:
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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


I'm sure being able to point out perceived inconsistency in a 20yr old popstars world view must be particularly satisfying.

On the other hand, it does indicate that as a democratic country, Israel is susceptible to public opinion and that if a pack of voting age people are suddenly denied the privilege of seeing Lorde in concert, they might to put pressure on their own political leadership to stop oppressing a group of people. No other country in the region can boast of that. Russia can't claim that. Democracy rules.


So Lorde denying the liberal population the chance to see her live, may shock them into an uprising against their government's attitude towards the Palestinian minority? She's fiddling with Israel's domestic politics all the way from her vantage point in Devonport.

That's some 4D chess right there. Nicely played Ella. :thumbup:


I don't think you know how boycotts work.


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No, I do. I just wanted to write 4D chess.


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How do boycotts work? Not very well it seems.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/do-boyc ... o-podcast/


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The underlying issue was that Israel waa created by people who simply invaded Palestine and took over.


Lets assume you are correct (I don't but for the sake of argument). Your solution to this issue now is what?


Chop it straight in 1/2 ala Solomon?

They (and you know who they is) won't accept any sort of partition that might look fair.

They want townships for Palestinians and to keep up the pretence that those are nominally independent.

They absolutely don't want everybody in the one state because that would mean they lose their majority in a few years time.


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You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women

Also Lebanon and Jordan.
Israel levelled Lebanon in 2006 as collective punishment for the actions of Hezbollah. How does that help anybody?


The attacks from Hezbollah were greatly diminished as the Lebanese population realized you can't let nutters in your midst indiscriminately attack another country using you as a human shield indefinitely.

Short term thinking. A stronger Lebanon would be better able to police Hezbollah. Their weakened state is what allowed Hezbollah get so entrenched in the first place.


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Uncle Fester wrote:
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sewa wrote:
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The underlying issue was that Israel waa created by people who simply invaded Palestine and took over.


Lets assume you are correct (I don't but for the sake of argument). Your solution to this issue now is what?


Chop it straight in 1/2 ala Solomon?

They (and you know who they is) won't accept any sort of partition that might look fair.

They want townships for Palestinians and to keep up the pretence that those are nominally independent.

They absolutely don't want everybody in the one state because that would mean they lose their majority in a few years time.


Build the wall! And get Mexico to pay for it.


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Turbogoat wrote:
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Turbogoat wrote:
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Whilst it's fairly evident Israel acts in barbaric ways to the Palestinians and continues with illegal settlements it's pretty hypocritical of Lorde considering she's happy enough to visit Russia. I think her music is pretty bad, but fair play to her for taking a stand.


It was scheduled in Tel Aviv, the most liberal city in the most liberal country in the ME, and those attending the concerts were unlikely to be rabid right-wing settlers and Orthodox religious nuts. She might have been better off performing and making some sort of appeal to the large liberal population in Israel that's supportive of the Palestinian cause. As it is she's ended up looking like a hypocrite who has succumbed to internet pressure.


I'm sure being able to point out perceived inconsistency in a 20yr old popstars world view must be particularly satisfying.

On the other hand, it does indicate that as a democratic country, Israel is susceptible to public opinion and that if a pack of voting age people are suddenly denied the privilege of seeing Lorde in concert, they might to put pressure on their own political leadership to stop oppressing a group of people. No other country in the region can boast of that. Russia can't claim that. Democracy rules.


So Lorde denying the liberal population the chance to see her live, may shock them into an uprising against their government's attitude towards the Palestinian minority? She's fiddling with Israel's domestic politics all the way from her vantage point in Devonport.

That's some 4D chess right there. Nicely played Ella. :thumbup:


That's actually the point of these boycotts etc... to make the local population less accepting of what their gubmint does in their name. This is why there's not much point in doing it in countries that are dictatorships, or are otherwise undemocratic.



Damn, need to get on the blower and inform Lorde no point in boycotting Trump's Merica then :?


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Uncle Fester wrote:
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You do know who those neighbour's are? Iran, Saudi, Egypt etc. Wonderful peaceful democratic countries, definitely don't hate the gays or women

Also Lebanon and Jordan.
Israel levelled Lebanon in 2006 as collective punishment for the actions of Hezbollah. How does that help anybody?


The attacks from Hezbollah were greatly diminished as the Lebanese population realized you can't let nutters in your midst indiscriminately attack another country using you as a human shield indefinitely.

Short term thinking. A stronger Lebanon would be better able to police Hezbollah. Their weakened state is what allowed Hezbollah get so entrenched in the first place.

The ethnic/religious makeup of Lebanon combined with all the countries trying to maintain influence there make a united and strong Lebanon unlikely.


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Uncle Fester wrote:
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The underlying issue was that Israel waa created by people who simply invaded Palestine and took over.


Lets assume you are correct (I don't but for the sake of argument). Your solution to this issue now is what?


Chop it straight in 1/2 ala Solomon?

They (and you know who they is) won't accept any sort of partition that might look fair.

They want townships for Palestinians and to keep up the pretence that those are nominally independent.

They absolutely don't want everybody in the one state because that would mean they lose their majority in a few years time.



If, by ‘they’, you mean the citizens of Israel, then the facts are that the majority want a 2-state solution


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The ethnic/religious makeup of Lebanon combined with all the countries trying to maintain influence there make a united and strong Lebanon unlikely.


The national identity is growing stronger over time. Lebanese in the diaspora are far less divided along religious lines than they were a decade or two ago.


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Saudi moves re: Hariri seemed to unify the country too. Calls for him to return came from across party and religious lines.


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Saudi moves re: Hariri seemed to unify the country too. Calls for him to return came from across party and religious lines.


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Saudi moves re: Hariri seemed to unify the country too. Calls for him to return came from across party and religious lines.


:thumbup:

Plus the French Pissed in the saudi's corn flakes :lol:


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It was pretty dumb from the Saudis, unless they wanted to show that they could flex their muscles and show that the owned a PM in the region, but it's also fairly obvious they own Sisi as well. If they intended to expose Hezbollah....i don't know what they hoped to expose since it's plain as day they're a Iranian proxy. Both outcomes blindingly obvious to all and sundry.

And yes the French did give them abit of a dressing down. And they united all as mentioned above.

Doh!


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Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?


Tbf, when you create your country in the middle of someone else's without their permission that is not a terribly surprising outcome.


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Fat Old Git wrote:
shanky wrote:
Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?


Tbf, when you create your country in the middle of someone else's without their permission that is not a terribly surprising outcome.


Imagine if anyone else did that...cough...Australia....cough...NZ....cough....Canada....cough....USA.....etc.etc.


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Bindi wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
shanky wrote:
Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?


Tbf, when you create your country in the middle of someone else's without their permission that is not a terribly surprising outcome.


Imagine if anyone else did that...cough...Australia....cough...NZ....cough....Canada....cough....USA.....etc.etc.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Bindi wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
shanky wrote:
Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?


Tbf, when you create your country in the middle of someone else's without their permission that is not a terribly surprising outcome.


Imagine if anyone else did that...cough...Australia....cough...NZ....cough....Canada....cough....USA.....etc.etc.


That's a bad cough you've got there.


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[quote="Bindi"][quote="Fat Old Git"][quote="shanky"]Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?[/quote]

Tbf, when you create your country in the middle of someone else's without their permission that is not a terribly surprising outcome.[/quote]

Imagine if anyone else did that...cough...Australia....cough...NZ....cough....Canada....cough....USA.....etc.etc.[/quote]

Yep. And they had similar results to start with before coming up with slightly different solutions than we're currently seeing in Israel in what are supposed to be slightly.more enlightened times.


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Fat Old Git wrote:
Bindi wrote:
Fat Old Git wrote:
shanky wrote:
Fair enough.

I’m no Israel apologist but consider how any of us would feel if almost every one of your neighbours refused to recognise your country, a few of them were openly hostile, and at least one had a national doctrine calling for your destruction.

Would you sit back and take that?


Tbf, when you create your country in the middle of someone else's without their permission that is not a terribly surprising outcome.


Imagine if anyone else did that...cough...Australia....cough...NZ....cough....Canada....cough....USA.....etc.etc.


Yep. And they had similar results to start with before coming up with slightly different solutions than we're currently seeing in Israel in what are supposed to be slightly.more enlightened times.


So massive depopulation then?


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