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eldanielfire wrote: Absurd. Members of her own cousins dismissed any known native american relatives or stories. The fact no one or anyone can trace likely hood of her claims, and I notice she rejects taking an DNA test.

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!

Your comment is typical of once again being some snobby middle class liberal telling working people what you believe they are supposed to want.

Warren isn't well liked because what the left doesn't need is another rich white lefty taking down to the poor people telling how they are supposed to feel and act. It's not about having a beer. I notice even the New York Times can't take to her.

You don't know shit about me. I lived 5 to a room, I graduated out of one of the worst Junior HS in America and the 4th worst HS in NYC. I know what it is like to fear be deported. These f**king people get coddled. Life is rough so I get to be an ignorant sexist racist. I get to vote for a horrible human being to be president. You think I don't have college debt. You think it wasn't hard for me to be in college away from home with a dad with bad knees and feet standing 8-10 hours a day so I could go to college. I speak for the point of view of a person who had to carve out something, who never got the right or opportunity to complain because I have cousins in Ghana that would jump at the chance. These fuckers were born here and are white what is their excuse for underachieving!?!?

They f**king live a privileged life and don't want to adjust to competition and fight. Well I have no choice but to adjust. I couldn't be a HS dropout, these fuckers choose to be HS dropouts and then want to blame someone else for their troubles!!

The NY Times also did a piece on how Nazis are good neighbors so how about you pump your breaks on them.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:

Bowens wrote:Hillary needs to be muzzled before 2020, when she opens her mouth she helps the other side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ther-spin/

I hope this doesn't impact Conor Lamb.

It shouldn't. I feel two minds about this. I get from the political landscape she is a divisive figure and needs to fall back so the new movement can start. At the same time, she has had to live this weird political life where people could attack her for ever action and she had to eat it. She didn't believe in Bernie's free unicorns, She was the anti-christ, she's this, she's that. Now she is not running for anything else so why can't she drop bombs and be allowed to be selfish. She is not a saint but you have to admit from the moment they entered the national stage coverage has been skewed to make her look like some Cruella Deville type character.

What rubbish. She is a foul shitty creature and 98 out of America's top 100 papers supported her over Trump. Just read what the wikileaks stuff show her to be. Nasty, ruthless, manipulative who would just be adding to the war Machine. Stop talking rubbish. The wikileaks stuff alone show what a vile vindictive and evil women she is. Also how useless she is.

Also Bernie's free unicorns argument is a joke, this past year they have just given $160 billion more to the military machines. The USA is a country that has enemies or fear of invasion at home. But Bernie Sanders education policies would cost $65 billion and people claim he's giving away money that the country doesn't have FFS!

Did you know Bernie's economic plan was based on 4% yearly growth for 5 years, when we had only had 4% growth for two years on two separate occasions ever in the history of the country. This is what I mean, people want to celebrate him but not look at his policies.

My point about Hillary is not that she is an angel but that she was no different to several male pols but somehow she was viewed as a much more horrible person. People supported the experienced politican, I mean how dare these papers. The News coverage was always skewed against her, do we need to drag up the 5 rules to covering HRC again. Vindictive?? George W Bush used the Feds to give Bill Maher a hard time after Maher ripped him a new one after 9/11 on his show. It is the same bullshit, somehow she is some way worse than the rest of the f**king scum because she is a woman.

Deadtigers wrote:

eldanielfire wrote: Absurd. Members of her own cousins dismissed any known native american relatives or stories. The fact no one or anyone can trace likely hood of her claims, and I notice she rejects taking an DNA test.

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!

Your comment is typical of once again being some snobby middle class liberal telling working people what you believe they are supposed to want.

Warren isn't well liked because what the left doesn't need is another rich white lefty taking down to the poor people telling how they are supposed to feel and act. It's not about having a beer. I notice even the New York Times can't take to her.

You don't know shit about me. I lived 5 to a room, I graduated out of one of the worst Junior HS in America and the 4th worst HS in NYC. I know what it is like to fear be deported. These f**king people get coddled. Life is rough so I get to be an ignorant sexist racist. I get to vote for a horrible human being to be president. You think I don't have college debt. You think it wasn't hard for me to be in college away from home with a dad with bad knees and feet standing 8-10 hours a day so I could go to college. I speak for the point of view of a person who had to carve out something, who never got the right or opportunity to complain because I have cousins in Ghana that would jump at the chance. These fuckers were born here and are white what is their excuse for underachieving!?!?

They f**king live a privileged life and don't want to adjust to competition and fight. Well I have no choice but to adjust. I couldn't be a HS dropout, these fuckers choose to be HS dropouts and then want to blame someone else for their troubles!!

Well done you, now stop speaking down to people like a snobby middle class liberal and trying to white wash who Hilary Clinton is given the massive number of horrible facts about her character like what snobby middle class liberals did for most of 2016.

The NY Times also did a piece on how Nazis are good neighbors so how about you pump your breaks on them.

I applaud them for doing good journalism. The subject of that particular piece was not as straight forward as shouting "nazis next door, they are trying to gas the Jews". They clearly aren't endorsing them or their politics, but trying to get understand their lives, you don't have to virtual signal and push editoral political judgement on everything you will print. It's just good journalism to learn about something not understood nor is ever resented to the majority of the readership, like a less wacky Louis Theroux documentary. The readers can decide if they are scum for themselves, like adults. The media doesn't have to always tell people what to think.

Deadtigers wrote:
Did you know Bernie's economic plan was based on 4% yearly growth for 5 years, when we had only had 4% growth for two years on two separate occasions ever in the history of the country. This is what I mean, people want to celebrate him but not look at his policies.

My point about Hillary is not that she is an angel but that she was no different to several male pols but somehow she was viewed as a much more horrible person.

No angle? That's a f**king understatement.

People supported the experienced politican, I mean how dare these papers. The News coverage was always skewed against her, do we need to drag up the 5 rules to covering HRC again. Vindictive?? George W Bush used the Feds to give Bill Maher a hard time after Maher ripped him a new one after 9/11 on his show. It is the same bullshit, somehow she is some way worse than the rest of the f**king scum because she is a woman.

She's viewed as horrible person because she is. So were multiple republlcian candidates. Only Clinton tried to rig her primaries.

And using George W Bush as an example of unfair Clinton criticism is f**king retarded! Did you not see how much shit he got constantly during his regin? How hated he is over Iraq? How evil he and Dick Cheney are generally regarded as? The massive protests? The numerous documentaries against him? FFS the idea Clinton is hated more than Bush at all is f**king ridiculous, let alone this idea she's a women is the problem with her image. Well done for re-writing history.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:

eldanielfire wrote: Absurd. Members of her own cousins dismissed any known native american relatives or stories. The fact no one or anyone can trace likely hood of her claims, and I notice she rejects taking an DNA test.

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!

Your comment is typical of once again being some snobby middle class liberal telling working people what you believe they are supposed to want.

Warren isn't well liked because what the left doesn't need is another rich white lefty taking down to the poor people telling how they are supposed to feel and act. It's not about having a beer. I notice even the New York Times can't take to her.

You don't know shit about me. I lived 5 to a room, I graduated out of one of the worst Junior HS in America and the 4th worst HS in NYC. I know what it is like to fear be deported. These f**king people get coddled. Life is rough so I get to be an ignorant sexist racist. I get to vote for a horrible human being to be president. You think I don't have college debt. You think it wasn't hard for me to be in college away from home with a dad with bad knees and feet standing 8-10 hours a day so I could go to college. I speak for the point of view of a person who had to carve out something, who never got the right or opportunity to complain because I have cousins in Ghana that would jump at the chance. These fuckers were born here and are white what is their excuse for underachieving!?!?

They f**king live a privileged life and don't want to adjust to competition and fight. Well I have no choice but to adjust. I couldn't be a HS dropout, these fuckers choose to be HS dropouts and then want to blame someone else for their troubles!!

Well done you, now stop speaking down to people like a snobby middle class liberal and trying to white wash who Hilary Clinton is given the massive number of horrible facts about her character like what snobby middle class liberals did for most of 2016.

The NY Times also did a piece on how Nazis are good neighbors so how about you pump your breaks on them.

I applaud them for doing good journalism. The subject of that particular piece was not as straight forward as shouting "nazis next door, they are trying to gas the Jews". They clearly aren't endorsing them or their politics, but trying to get understand their lives, you don't have to virtual signal and push editoral political judgement on everything you will print. It's just good journalism to learn about something not understood nor is ever resented to the majority of the readership, like a less wacky Louis Theroux documentary. The readers can decide if they are scum for themselves, like adults. The media doesn't have to always tell people what to think.

Or you could be normalizing people with horrible beliefs. Not to mention the guy never pressed the nazi on the inaccuracy of his statements, his downplaying of the holocaust or Hitler's role. I call it reckless but yeah sure whatever.

White snobby middle class people were all in on Bernie, not Hillary. Those were the people demanding free college. Explain how Canda can't accomplish free college but the USA was suppose. They didn't talk about free vocational training did they. They demand 15 an hour and when Hillary said lets do like "my stat" NY and make it 12.50 in smaller areas and 15 in big cities, she was vilified. I can bring up the debate clip and articles if you like.

I get it, you think she deserves all the shit she got. Which is fine, but then don't expect me to coddle the people that threw the shit at her. They deserve the shit they get too. They chose hate over decency because it wasn't gonna touch them. That goes for Bernie Bros and Trumpkins.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Did you know Bernie's economic plan was based on 4% yearly growth for 5 years, when we had only had 4% growth for two years on two separate occasions ever in the history of the country. This is what I mean, people want to celebrate him but not look at his policies.

My point about Hillary is not that she is an angel but that she was no different to several male pols but somehow she was viewed as a much more horrible person.

No angle? That's a f**king understatement.

People supported the experienced politican, I mean how dare these papers. The News coverage was always skewed against her, do we need to drag up the 5 rules to covering HRC again. Vindictive?? George W Bush used the Feds to give Bill Maher a hard time after Maher ripped him a new one after 9/11 on his show. It is the same bullshit, somehow she is some way worse than the rest of the f**king scum because she is a woman.

She's viewed as horrible person because she is. So were multiple republlcian candidates. Only Clinton tried to rig her primaries.

And using George W Bush as an example of unfair Clinton criticism is f**king retarded! Did you not see how much shit he got constantly during his regin? How hated he is over Iraq? How evil he and Dick Cheney are generally regarded as? The massive protests? The numerous documentaries against him? FFS the idea Clinton is hated more than Bush at all is f**king ridiculous, let alone this idea she's a women is the problem with her image. Well done for re-writing history.

Rig primaries!?! This is the over the top bullshit I am talking about. I love how people like you whitewash the fact that Bernie ran a shit campaign. Shit job getting his message to black people? Nope that was Hillary's fault somehow. Shit job getting his message of social justice out? Nope that was Hillary too. The fact that the debate schedule was out for year in advance and so too the primary schedule was also her fault. Is he responsible for anything. Oh that is right rigging, i.e. getting the support of long time Dems and DNC employees over an interloper that cheated then waged war against the DNC. Bernie broke a f**king gentleman's agreement on tech database use and when he was found out to do so and fined, he f**king cried unfair and got fools like you all in his corner because, Your Messiah couldn't cheat it had to be the evil DNC. It is amazing!! You talk about whitewash and people like you act like Bernie was just some little old lady robbed and beaten up at gunpoint by mean old Hillary.

The fact she is a woman is a huge problem with her image. She could never be like the men. Her opponent was an actual rapist but she was viewed as worse to some people because she didn't divorce her husband who was an accused molester. And yet now every f**king body feels sorry for Melania. GTFO. You are full of shit.

Shut up DT...you're talking like someone who lives in the US...

I’m keeping a seat for DT on the 2020 Bernietrain.
I’ll be driving, but he’ll be blowing the whistle.

Deadtigers wrote:
Or you could be normalizing people with horrible beliefs. Not to mention the guy never pressed the nazi on the inaccuracy of his statements, his downplaying of the holocaust or Hitler's role. I call it reckless but yeah sure whatever.

White snobby middle class people were all in on Bernie, not Hillary. Those were the people demanding free college. Explain how Canda can't accomplish free college but the USA was suppose. They didn't talk about free vocational training did they. They demand 15 an hour and when Hillary said lets do like "my stat" NY and make it 12.50 in smaller areas and 15 in big cities, she was vilified. I can bring up the debate clip and articles if you like.

I get it, you think she deserves all the shit she got. Which is fine, but then don't expect me to coddle the people that threw the shit at her. They deserve the shit they get too. They chose hate over decency because it wasn't gonna touch them. That goes for Bernie Bros and Trumpkins.

Quit with this SJW anti-language bollocks. It's people who say crap like "don't normalise this" who are pushing people out the mainstream into extreme groups rather then engage with them. Demonising and de-humanising these people is part of the reason why they get pushed out of the mainstream anyway and it's even valid to point out among nazi's have a spectrum of characters and behaviours and even beliefs among them and that many live quiet none violent lives. Start treating readers like they are entirely retarded. We've had racists among us for centuries and still we live in times today where it's never been better for a minority. A NYT piece that observes one is not going to change that just like countless studies of murders, killers etc does not normalise killing.

And don't start playing Bernie in the same category as Trump. It was Hilary's camp who demonised him. As for free college, I just pointed out congress has given the military 160 billion more each year, 3 times the cost of free college. And don't act like free college is some alien impossible concept, most western European countries manage it.

Deadtigers wrote:
Rig primaries!?! This is the over the top bullshit I am talking about. I love how people like you whitewash the fact that Bernie ran a shit campaign. Shit job getting his message to black people?

Nope that was Hillary's fault somehow. Shit job getting his message of social justice out? Nope that was Hillary too. The fact that the debate schedule was out for year in advance and so too the primary schedule was also her fault. Is he responsible for anything. Oh that is right rigging, i.e. getting the support of long time Dems and DNC employees over an interloper that cheated then waged war against the DNC. Bernie broke a f**king gentleman's agreement on tech database use and when he was found out to do so and fined, he f**king cried unfair and got fools like you all in his corner because, Your Messiah couldn't cheat it had to be the evil DNC. It is amazing!! You talk about whitewash and people like you act like Bernie was just some little old lady robbed and beaten up at gunpoint by mean old Hillary.

The fact she is a woman is a huge problem with her image. She could never be like the men. Her opponent was an actual rapist but she was viewed as worse to some people because she didn't divorce her husband who was an accused molester. And yet now every f**king body feels sorry for Melania. GTFO. You are full of shit.

f**king hell, you white wash the Clinton-DNC arrangement, an arrangement so toxic now they are re-writing the rules, and dare claim somebody else is bullshitting is rather funny! . The way she has gone round afterwards blaming everybody else for it only show what a pathetic human she is women she is.

Hilary being a woman had nothing to do with her lose. She lost because she was always unpopular even when Bill was president, literally was caught saying how her public beliefs are her private beliefs, thousands of dodgy emails and her blatant attempts to bury them by destroying servers, the 145 million given to the Clinton foundation after Hilary approved a Uranium deal for them and other such cosy arrangements of the Clinton foundation, her oversight of the fudge-ups of Libya, Syria her hawkish pro-Iraq war and hawkish history in general. Hilary has a nasty, hypocritical history. People could see that, the campaign tried to show her as somebody she isn't an lost of people saw right through it.

Face it Hilary stunk, the idea a country who just twice voted for a black man wouldn't vote for a women is ridiculous. The fact her whole campaign plan was to try and get the media to focus on and hope for a republican who was even less appealing than her showed this. She was a bad nomination from the start and still had 98 of the top 100 papers on her side and every station bar Fox News. Stop trying to whitewash her character for a false narrative. Hilary did that herself in her book where everyone else was to blame but her.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Or you could be normalizing people with horrible beliefs. Not to mention the guy never pressed the nazi on the inaccuracy of his statements, his downplaying of the holocaust or Hitler's role. I call it reckless but yeah sure whatever.

White snobby middle class people were all in on Bernie, not Hillary. Those were the people demanding free college. Explain how Canda can't accomplish free college but the USA was suppose. They didn't talk about free vocational training did they. They demand 15 an hour and when Hillary said lets do like "my stat" NY and make it 12.50 in smaller areas and 15 in big cities, she was vilified. I can bring up the debate clip and articles if you like.

I get it, you think she deserves all the shit she got. Which is fine, but then don't expect me to coddle the people that threw the shit at her. They deserve the shit they get too. They chose hate over decency because it wasn't gonna touch them. That goes for Bernie Bros and Trumpkins.

Quit with this SJW anti-language bollocks. It's people who say crap like "don't normalise this" who are pushing people out the mainstream into extreme groups rather then engage with them. Demonising and de-humanising these people is part of the reason why they get pushed out of the mainstream anyway and it's even valid to point out among nazi's have a spectrum of characters and behaviours and even beliefs among them and that many live quiet none violent lives. Start treating readers like they are entirely retarded. We've had racists among us for centuries and still we live in times today where it's never been better for a minority. A NYT piece that observes one is not going to change that just like countless studies of murders, killers etc does not normalise killing.

And don't start playing Bernie in the same category as Trump. It was Hilary's camp who demonised him. As for free college, I just pointed out congress has given the military 160 billion more each year, 3 times the cost of free college. And don't act like free college is some alien impossible concept, most western European countries manage it.

Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick. We have had five black people killed at random just for being black by people with horrible ideas like that Nazi but WWE need to hear out racist and xenophobes cause it hurts their feelings when people of color speak up about how they feel they get told to shut up. The only change in Nazi ideas is they now say they want Jews and people of color deported or some other phrase rather than murdered but sure let's hear them out.

And speaking of virtue signaling weren't you the one that said, I would never be more excited to meet as celebrity just cause of their skin color. Yet again spoken like someone never deprived of positive role models.

Bernie always swung first. it is the same revisionist history shit. Sh. He makes wild claims she asks questions and she is evil and demonizing. What you pointed out is how US politics work and the power of the military industrial complex which takes one proper knowledge to navigate. Canada is the closest thing to the USa based on size. Don't confirm your ignorant niceness by trying to say the uSA can do what a country 20th of the size does. We can't even get gun control done. Yet again another Bernie person that is all theory with no reality.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Rig primaries!?! This is the over the top bullshit I am talking about. I love how people like you whitewash the fact that Bernie ran a shit campaign. Shit job getting his message to black people?

Nope that was Hillary's fault somehow. Shit job getting his message of social justice out? Nope that was Hillary too. The fact that the debate schedule was out for year in advance and so too the primary schedule was also her fault. Is he responsible for anything. Oh that is right rigging, i.e. getting the support of long time Dems and DNC employees over an interloper that cheated then waged war against the DNC. Bernie broke a f**king gentleman's agreement on tech database use and when he was found out to do so and fined, he f**king cried unfair and got fools like you all in his corner because, Your Messiah couldn't cheat it had to be the evil DNC. It is amazing!! You talk about whitewash and people like you act like Bernie was just some little old lady robbed and beaten up at gunpoint by mean old Hillary.

The fact she is a woman is a huge problem with her image. She could never be like the men. Her opponent was an actual rapist but she was viewed as worse to some people because she didn't divorce her husband who was an accused molester. And yet now every f**king body feels sorry for Melania. GTFO. You are full of shit.

f**king hell, you white wash the Clinton-DNC arrangement, an arrangement so toxic now they are re-writing the rules, and dare claim somebody else is bullshitting is rather funny! . The way she has gone round afterwards blaming everybody else for it only show what a pathetic human she is women she is.

Hilary being a woman had nothing to do with her lose. She lost because she was always unpopular even when Bill was president, literally was caught saying how her public beliefs are her private beliefs, thousands of dodgy emails and her blatant attempts to bury them by destroying servers, the 145 million given to the Clinton foundation after Hilary approved a Uranium deal for them and other such cosy arrangements of the Clinton foundation, her oversight of the fudge-ups of Libya, Syria her hawkish pro-Iraq war and hawkish history in general. Hilary has a nasty, hypocritical history. People could see that, the campaign tried to show her as somebody she isn't an lost of people saw right through it.

Face it Hilary stunk, the idea a country who just twice voted for a black man wouldn't vote for a women is ridiculous. The fact her whole campaign plan was to try and get the media to focus on and hope for a republican who was even less appealing than her showed this. She was a bad nomination from the start and still had 98 of the top 100 papers on her side and every station bar Fox News. Stop trying to whitewash her character for a false narrative. Hilary did that herself in her book where everyone else was to blame but her.

This is how I know you are a full of shit Bernie bro. The nuclear narrative has be dismissed by several papers. Shewould have had to convince 7 agencies include 2 that are apolitical yet she somehow strongarmed people.

This is why you are not worth debating. You have facts presented but you cling onto proven lies. A third-party investigates and rates non-profits rates the Clinton Foundation is one off the best butnope these agencies lie, they don't fit your narrative.

I also pointed out factual incidents and flaws with Bernie and all you got is theory no actual proof to support his nonsense. I am whitewashing then you are bleaching. Bernie never did anything wrong. insulting Obama was OK and It was the DNC that made Black voters turn against him. What about how many actual elections as opposed to caucuses?

Furthermore Obama winning cause unprecedented hate and racism and evil behavior (that must be heared out). The tea party fired up hate against a black president and those people were not ready to follow that with a woman.

Liked Connor Lambs victory speech there, my kind of Democrat and it was encouraging to hear him attribute his success to organized labor. Workers are the backbone of this country.

Deadtigers wrote:
Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.

Do you even know my background FFS!

We have had five black people killed at random just for being black by people with horrible ideas like that Nazi but WWE need to hear out racist and xenophobes cause it hurts their feelings when people of color speak up about how they feel they get told to shut up. The only change in Nazi ideas is they now say they want Jews and people of color deported or some other phrase rather than murdered but sure let's hear them out.

We don't need to hear out racists and xenophobes. You don't have to listen to them. In the NYT you can just turn the page. But not engaging with them or even understanding nuance only pushes people out of the mainstream. In the actual example of the New York times, you find out quite how normal the nazi is, and basically paints (the point of the piece to anyone with a brain) it isn't some masked monster form some other part of the world, that nazis are just normal seeming people who could be in your street. The article reports on his racist beliefs but it doesn't have to follow your template of editing in "THIS IS RACIST BTW" everytime he discussed jewish conspiracies. It's there for the reader and it's clear from the title.


The irony here you fail to understand is that the nazi party back in Germany in the old days gained power and sympathy because they where attempted by the establishment to be forced into public silence. It's how their support grew. Well done on supporting the same tactics that allowed the most nortorious racist party in history to flourish.

BTW a few years ago the BNP (racist party in the UK) got a bit popular (a bit), they were allowed on TV and guess what? We didn't have swarms of idiots join them and hate on minorities, it soon collapsed their support because when they were subject to public debate the public saw them for what they were as they were ripped apart.

And speaking of virtue signaling weren't you the one that said, I would never be more excited to meet as celebrity just cause of their skin color. Yet again spoken like someone never deprived of positive role models.

Who are my role models then?

Bernie always swung first. it is the same revisionist history shit. Sh. He makes wild claims she asks questions and she is evil and demonizing. What you pointed out is how US politics work and the power of the military industrial complex which takes one proper knowledge to navigate.

And all Hilary Clinton has ever done is push for more military action. She has no intention of using her knowledge of toning down the worlds worst war machine. Hilary has a past she was white washing over, of course Bernie has a right to pull that apart.

Canada is the closest thing to the USa based on size. Don't confirm your ignorant niceness by trying to say the uSA can do what a country 20th of the size does. We can't even get gun control done. Yet again another Bernie person that is all theory with no reality.

And it's not remotely close to the USA in population or money. You might as well include Brazil or Australia if that's your criteria. Australia BTW managed to get gun control 20 odd years ago.

Smee wrote:Liked Connor Lambs victory speech there, my kind of Democrat and it was encouraging to hear him attribute his success to organized labor. Workers are the backbone of this country.

Yep and I liked the part after that where he talked about the Democrats being the party of his grandfather and FDR. That is something that resonates with people across Western PA and the whole region. If you go back a generation or two in many families, pretty much everyone was a democrat. I think two generations ago, every single person in my own family were democrats. This is where the Dems need to make up ground, where people are receptive to their message (Medicare, Social Security) but have felt left behind by the national Democratic Party policies of last 20 years.

Lamb has a big future though. He will be a senator maybe even a VP candidate.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.

Do you even know my background FFS!

Yeah DT you do know edf comes from a mixed background correct?

Bowens wrote:The most popular politician in America rallying with Randy "Iron Stache" Bryce yesterday. Bryce is going to unseat Paul Ryan in November.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1AxCd8HHk

People have to understand Bernie's popularity in that part of the country.

He's great. The DNC should be running, or at least getting behind, far more candidates like him.

Getting rid of Ryan would be incredible

Dumbledore wrote:

Bowens wrote:The most popular politician in America rallying with Randy "Iron Stache" Bryce yesterday. Bryce is going to unseat Paul Ryan in November.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1AxCd8HHk

People have to understand Bernie's popularity in that part of the country.

He's great. The DNC should be running, or at least getting behind, far more candidates like him.

Getting rid of Ryan would be incredible

The DNC can't do it publicly. Perez and Ellison are doing fundraising but they are trying to be subtle with support because of progressive cry babies and people want to feel like they are doing it themselves.

Ryan sold his soul and is gonna pay for it. But unseating a sitting house speaker is a very rare and almost impossible task so best of luck to him.

Bowens wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.

Do you even know my background FFS!

Yeah DT you do know edf comes from a mixed background correct?

Doesn't mean he knows the shitty side of the stick. And he didn't care to know my background and struggle before judging me.

Deadtigers wrote:

Bowens wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.

Do you even know my background FFS!

Yeah DT you do know edf comes from a mixed background correct?

Doesn't mean he knows the shitty side of the stick. And he didn't care to know my background and struggle before judging me.

I don't know if he was judging you in his comments so much as saying you sounded a certain way, but I'll let you two settle it.

Deadtigers wrote:

Bowens wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.

Do you even know my background FFS!

Yeah DT you do know edf comes from a mixed background correct?

Doesn't mean he knows the shitty side of the stick. And he didn't care to know my background and struggle before judging me.

I never mentioned your background. And multiple times I've reference growing up on a council estate.

c69 wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:

Bowens wrote:

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.

Do you even know my background FFS!

Yeah DT you do know edf comes from a mixed background correct?

Doesn't mean he knows the shitty side of the stick. And he didn't care to know my background and struggle before judging me.

He does seem to make very judgemental statements tbh based upon his prejudices and his ill formed opinions of what he thinks other posters beliefs or values and political opinions are. He is very keen to pigeon hole people based upon his narrow minded values, he puts people in boxes and because this is how he thinks if you deviate from those boxes he gets confused.
Perhaps, I think of him as a frustrated transgender liberal lesbian or something

We both know I'm a lesbian on the inside

The special elections the Dems have been winning seem to indicate they've got some fresh exciting people coming through for a possible 2020 run maybe? Reckon Lamb could go very,very far from what little I've read about him. Seems to tick all the boxes except maybe possible his Catholicism.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:
Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.

Do you even know my background FFS!

We have had five black people killed at random just for being black by people with horrible ideas like that Nazi but WWE need to hear out racist and xenophobes cause it hurts their feelings when people of color speak up about how they feel they get told to shut up. The only change in Nazi ideas is they now say they want Jews and people of color deported or some other phrase rather than murdered but sure let's hear them out.

We don't need to hear out racists and xenophobes. You don't have to listen to them. In the NYT you can just turn the page. But not engaging with them or even understanding nuance only pushes people out of the mainstream. In the actual example of the New York times, you find out quite how normal the nazi is, and basically paints (the point of the piece to anyone with a brain) it isn't some masked monster form some other part of the world, that nazis are just normal seeming people who could be in your street. The article reports on his racist beliefs but it doesn't have to follow your template of editing in "THIS IS RACIST BTW" everytime he discussed jewish conspiracies. It's there for the reader and it's clear from the title.


The irony here you fail to understand is that the nazi party back in Germany in the old days gained power and sympathy because they where attempted by the establishment to be forced into public silence. It's how their support grew. Well done on supporting the same tactics that allowed the most nortorious racist party in history to flourish.

BTW a few years ago the BNP (racist party in the UK) got a bit popular (a bit), they were allowed on TV and guess what? We didn't have swarms of idiots join them and hate on minorities, it soon collapsed their support because when they were subject to public debate the public saw them for what they were as they were ripped apart.

And speaking of virtue signaling weren't you the one that said, I would never be more excited to meet as celebrity just cause of their skin color. Yet again spoken like someone never deprived of positive role models.

Who are my role models then?

Bernie always swung first. it is the same revisionist history shit. Sh. He makes wild claims she asks questions and she is evil and demonizing. What you pointed out is how US politics work and the power of the military industrial complex which takes one proper knowledge to navigate.

And all Hilary Clinton has ever done is push for more military action. She has no intention of using her knowledge of toning down the worlds worst war machine. Hilary has a past she was white washing over, of course Bernie has a right to pull that apart.

Canada is the closest thing to the USa based on size. Don't confirm your ignorant niceness by trying to say the uSA can do what a country 20th of the size does. We can't even get gun control done. Yet again another Bernie person that is all theory with no reality.

And it's not remotely close to the USA in population or money. You might as well include Brazil or Australia if that's your criteria. Australia BTW managed to get gun control 20 odd years ago.

1) Nope. Never stopped you from calling me middle class and not knowing shit about me and my struggle. But know you act like I should know yours before commenting. Why am I not surprised.

2) Or you could embolden hate like Trump has done leading to the murder of innocent people. But yet again ignore what is happening on the ground for your theories professor. Like the dreamer you are you believe that people will just reject bad ideas and hate speech. Yet we live in a world of brietbart, Trump, Brexit and Fox News because people gravitated to hate speech and blaming others. In practice it has only emboldened these people. and BNP seem to be replaced by UKIP and Farage. Unless you contend racism and xenophoia played no role in Brexit.

3) I don't know. I know what you said. And I know in my life I was happy to meet a rugby teammate that was a black firefighter and he tells me how the kids in Inner City get super excited to see and touch and talk to him because they have never seen a black firefighter. And I remember the buzz when a black cop finally patrolled the neighborhood. He got more respect from the adults than any of the white cops ever did. But boooo being happy to support role models that look you. You are man of greater virtue.

4) Yup, he was right to swing at her but she swing at him and she is the devil. She fought things with a hand tied behind her back. Like Trump Bernie could get dirty and she had to stay clean. That deplorables comment was one of the few times she went dirty and it was unforgivable as compared to what Trump said and did. But again you deny her challenges. Hold onto to that war machine part because I am gonna slap you upside the head with it in a minute.

5) I view Canada far more similar to the USA than Aus. in the challenges they face. But that is irrelevant. You bring up Aussie gun control and that goes to show you how you don't know jack shit about the USA or US political landscape. The USA still hasn't achieved gun control because of the NRA's financial support from gun manufacturers plus the intensity of their supporters. They are the ones that show up to the townhalls and do all the grassroots work to keep politicians scared regardless of pols. It is only in the last couple of years gun control advocates are now aware of how the battle is won and are trying to bridge the intensity gap.

So if you think the NRA lobby is bad, how in the world are we gonna stop spending on the military and spend boatloads of money on education. Education doesn't have a lobby, but the military industrial complex does. Northup, Honeywell, Boeing and so on will make sure that any politician that doesn't want to support their agenda is painted as weak. Obama barely ever touched the Military budget and he still got painted as weak so how was Bernie or any other progressive. Furthermore, these business support their product by selling it to our allies and it is used as a chip in foreign relations. The USA claims for security reason we have to make our own weapons and can't use those made elsewhere. And the weapons made here are made in some small plant in the middle of nowhere. Lets say at a plant in Middle, Kansas, now we make way too many subs, tanks and fighter jets, more than our competition has 10 times over, so we should stop making them but that plant needs jobs. 250 people work at a tank plant, from line workers to cleaning crew, now that means 200 or so are married with kids so that is 850 people that plant supports then you got those that own homes and the stores that support them. You got a mini economic ecosystem to contend with and you think the National rep that represents them is gonna just let that plant close? He will rally his fellow reps in Kansas then reach out to the reps for subs and fighter jets and then you got two Kansas sens and the sens from other states affected plus those with lobby money in their pocket. So now you need a president that is gonna rally the rest of his party and whoever from the opposing party to support a smaller military idea. How is that gonna happen? Was Bernie gonna do that? A guy who attacked the Dem party was now gonna try and get people in the party to support him, what is in it for them. Bernie's supporters have no down vote, see how well Zepher Teachout did!! Not to mention, the greedy fudge didn't give her any money until pressed. What you will get is what you see with people that voted for him nationally changing when it comes to local. And there will be no pressure on reps not affected by the cuts to support Bernie. They don't want to and no one will make them. And so you believe your beloved messiah is gonna stake his presidency on this? Because lets not forget he promised to break up the big banks and national healthcare plus a robust economy. A president usually get 1 or 2 things to stake his presidency on and then his party loses the midterms and he is in a defensive stance from then on. Obama used TARP 2 and the ACA so which two was Bernie gonna do?

These are the brass tacks of your unicorn that shit rainbow sundaes. You don't understand American politics or how it works or the challenges on moving the needle on certain things. A lot of it is just waiting and timing, for instance, FDR wanted national healthcare and over 80 years later it is still not realized but we are closer than we are closer than we ever were before, thanks to the shitty (according to Bernie), ACA. So go back to your pie in the sky thoughts!

Deadtigers wrote: 1) Nope. Never stopped you from calling me middle class and not knowing shit about me and my struggle. But know you act like I should know yours before commenting. Why am I not surprised.

I never called you middle class you nob.

2) Or you could embolden hate like Trump has done leading to the murder of innocent people. But yet again ignore what is happening on the ground for your theories professor. Like the dreamer you are you believe that people will just reject bad ideas and hate speech. Yet we live in a world of brietbart, Trump, Brexit and Fox News because people gravitated to hate speech and blaming others. In practice it has only emboldened these people. and BNP seem to be replaced by UKIP and Farage. Unless you contend racism and xenophoia played no role in Brexit.

I detest UKIP, but the idea they are a racist party like the BNP is ridiculous. Obviously being the most far right party in the UK they will attract the loons.

As for the rest, any proof any of them will stop existing if you no platform them and constantly virtue signaling them? As I said it happened in 1920's Germany. Well done on adopting those failure of tactics, it's like you are desperate to ensure a future where you can continue victimhood.

eldanielfire wrote:

Deadtigers wrote: 1) Nope. Never stopped you from calling me middle class and not knowing shit about me and my struggle. But know you act like I should know yours before commenting. Why am I not surprised.

I never called you middle class you nob.

2) Or you could embolden hate like Trump has done leading to the murder of innocent people. But yet again ignore what is happening on the ground for your theories professor. Like the dreamer you are you believe that people will just reject bad ideas and hate speech. Yet we live in a world of brietbart, Trump, Brexit and Fox News because people gravitated to hate speech and blaming others. In practice it has only emboldened these people. and BNP seem to be replaced by UKIP and Farage. Unless you contend racism and xenophoia played no role in Brexit.

I detest UKIP, but the idea they are a racist party like the BNP is ridiculous. Obviously being the most far right party in the UK they will attract the loons.

As for the rest, any proof any of them will stop existing if you no platform them and constantly virtue signaling them? As I said it happened in 1920's Germany. Well done on adopting those failure of tactics, it's like you are desperate to ensure a future where you can continue victimhood.

1) Oh yeah that's right somebody that holds my views sounds middle class to you instead of someone who has lived through real struggle and has little time for people with oppression fantasies. interesting that your mind went to a middle class person, guess that is the box you place people in.

2) The 1920s in the US allowed lynchings and sanctioned inhumane treatment of black people until people decide those were repugnant ideas that didn't deserve the light of day. But yeah give those ideas the kind of normalization they crave, what could possibly go wrong. let's ask the 5 dead black and brown men at the hands of Emboldened racists, what is the worst that can happen. or the youn woman killed at Charlottesville or maybe her mother who had to keep her funeral and burial place a secret so these new aged oppressed naazis wouldn't desecrate her grave.

Deadtigers wrote:
1) Oh yeah that's right somebody that holds my views sounds middle class to you instead of someone who has lived through real struggle and has little time for people with oppression fantasies. interesting that your mind went to a middle class person, guess that is the box you place people in.

regardless you have multiple times git this wrong. I never called you middle class like you claimed. You are wrong. Acceot it and stop trying to wtist it into some bullshit "I was right all alog anyway..." narrative. You were wrong. Next time read.

2) The 1920s in the US allowed lynchings and sanctioned inhumane treatment of black people until people decide those were repugnant ideas that didn't deserve the light of day. But yeah give those ideas the kind of normalization they crave, what could possibly go wrong. let's ask the 5 dead black and brown men at the hands of Emboldened racists, what is the worst that can happen. or the youn woman killed at Charlottesville or maybe her mother who had to keep her funeral and burial place a secret so these new aged oppressed naazis wouldn't desecrate her grave.

Well when oppose free speech lots can go wrong. The Nazi party assuming power being one of the historical fudge-ups of that.

BTW I never claimed there won't be vile evil people in the world. But your examples don't show even the slightest bit of proof compressing anyone's freedom of speech will stop those incidents. Especially since your claims Trump Normalises it and it gets worse is utter crap seeing as racial violence has long predated him and Obama. Racism by most realistic objective measures is far worse in the past, even the recent past.

You assume people that feel the way I do must be middle class jerks. That says more about you than me. I assume people that feel that may have a reason and need to be heard out like Nazis



Find me the instances of a white traveling to NY to stab the first black person he sees under Obama. I will wait.

Also the economic conditions that created the Nazi party don't exist here nor the shaming after losing a major global conflict but keep trying to say we should hear people that view me and family as abominations out. They just want to be heard because there are simple minded folks that will believe it like Pizzagate.

Edit: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/b ... d-12180662

just adding this to my original post of how hate speech emboldens people and leads to more racist things.

Also show me you vast knowledge of the American political landscape and explain to me how we spend less on military and get to free education as you claimed with such bravado could be done

Back to issues within the Dem party.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/ ... ank-460563

I did some research on this. The Dems said some of these regulations were limiting the small banks credit unions. However, the problem is the signed a bad bill that allows in too many types of banks like the big ones. And the bill still has to go to the house, where it will get watered down. So it was legislative neglect according to Pod Saves. If they were going to do that they should have gotten a tighter bill ready for the watering down and should have extracted something like a new CFPB head.

But there is time to push them after the bill comes back from the house. I am not a supporter of getting rid of any politician that doesn't meet some purity test on the left, like progressives demands.

Report: New Zealand Diplomat Told Dems ‘Get Your S**t Together Or We Will All Die’

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Deadtigers wrote:Report: New Zealand Diplomat Told Dems ‘Get Your S**t Together Or We Will All Die’

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livew...- ... ll-all-die

She had to delete her Twitter account. Her picture was her posing in front of a Fendi shop.

flaggETERNAL wrote:Reckon Lamb could go very,very far from what little I've read about him. Seems to tick all the boxes except maybe possible his Catholicism.

Traditional Democratic Party constituency. (not to mention it's maybe 90% of all Latinos)

Deadtigers wrote:However beyond all that there is young energy and old progressives energy in the party demanding that rather than move to the middle ground left unoccupied by the move further right. I have always believed in universal healthcare, unions and investing in education. I have just been a pragmatist as to when the country was truly ready for such things.

I think the Democrats are done with organized labor. It's in reality hard to be pro-mass immigration and also pro-organized labor because the immigrants end up being the scabs while not following all the rules everyone else is required to. Those are two policy points that tend to clash or compete in actual practice, and the Obama administration based on actions did not give a shit about organized labor. The national heads of the unions said as much.

(in short, immigration vs. organized labor, the 2019 and 2020 Democratic Party debates on policy in preparation for the primaries are going to be the first real ironing out on some issues since the 2008 Hillary vs. Obama primary; Sanders was too one-note and wasn't even a Democrat)

Look at your state Deadtigers. The fusionist Working Families Party is organized by the unions. It's been taken over by Sanders voters and come the last governor election they hated Cuomo, and the WFP unions are "no, we fund this party, you must support Cuomo".

I feel bad for organized labor in a sense, because they really have no one to vote for. My city has had a Democratic mayor since January 1st, 2000. The city council got rid of collective bargaining in the past few years, and all the people that follow local politics are pretty much in agreement the mayor while paying lip service to labor privately doesn't really mind that it ended, because he can take the money savings and spend it on other administration priorities.

Deadtigers wrote:

Dumbledore wrote:

Bowens wrote:The most popular politician in America rallying with Randy "Iron Stache" Bryce yesterday. Bryce is going to unseat Paul Ryan in November.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1AxCd8HHk

People have to understand Bernie's popularity in that part of the country.

He's great. The DNC should be running, or at least getting behind, far more candidates like him.

Getting rid of Ryan would be incredible

The DNC can't do it publicly. Perez and Ellison are doing fundraising but they are trying to be subtle with support because of progressive cry babies and people want to feel like they are doing it themselves.

Ryan sold his soul and is gonna pay for it. But unseating a sitting house speaker is a very rare and almost impossible task so best of luck to him.

What are you talking about, why can't they do it? The progressive cry babies are the ones telling them to support leftist working class candidates.

Flyin Ryan wrote:

flaggETERNAL wrote:Reckon Lamb could go very,very far from what little I've read about him. Seems to tick all the boxes except maybe possible his Catholicism.

Traditional Democratic Party constituency. (not to mention it's maybe 90% of all Latinos)

Deadtigers wrote:However beyond all that there is young energy and old progressives energy in the party demanding that rather than move to the middle ground left unoccupied by the move further right. I have always believed in universal healthcare, unions and investing in education. I have just been a pragmatist as to when the country was truly ready for such things.

I think the Democrats are done with organized labor. It's in reality hard to be pro-mass immigration and also pro-organized labor because the immigrants end up being the scabs while not following all the rules everyone else is required to. Those are two policy points that tend to clash or compete in actual practice, and the Obama administration based on actions did not give a shit about organized labor. The national heads of the unions said as much.

(in short, immigration vs. organized labor, the 2019 and 2020 Democratic Party debates on policy in preparation for the primaries are going to be the first real ironing out on some issues since the 2008 Hillary vs. Obama primary; Sanders was too one-note and wasn't even a Democrat)

Look at your state Deadtigers. The fusionist Working Families Party is organized by the unions. It's been taken over by Sanders voters and come the last governor election they hated Cuomo, and the WFP unions are "no, we fund this party, you must support Cuomo".

I feel bad for organized labor in a sense, because they really have no one to vote for. My city has had a Democratic mayor since January 1st, 2000. The city council got rid of collective bargaining in the past few years, and all the people that follow local politics are pretty much in agreement the mayor while paying lip service to labor privately doesn't really mind that it ended, because he can take the money savings and spend it on other administration priorities.

Good post The obvious, but not easy, solution would seem to be getting migrants into unions?

Dumbledore wrote:

Deadtigers wrote:

Dumbledore wrote:

Bowens wrote:The most popular politician in America rallying with Randy "Iron Stache" Bryce yesterday. Bryce is going to unseat Paul Ryan in November.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1AxCd8HHk

People have to understand Bernie's popularity in that part of the country.

He's great. The DNC should be running, or at least getting behind, far more candidates like him.

Getting rid of Ryan would be incredible

The DNC can't do it publicly. Perez and Ellison are doing fundraising but they are trying to be subtle with support because of progressive cry babies and people want to feel like they are doing it themselves.

Ryan sold his soul and is gonna pay for it. But unseating a sitting house speaker is a very rare and almost impossible task so best of luck to him.

What are you talking about, why can't they do it? The progressive cry babies are the ones telling them to support leftist working class candidates.

The DNC is hated by a bunch of people that don't know what it does. The Primary is in August for Wisco and the DNC can't seem to favor one candidate, admittedly they have done some other silly stuff in other states, but in essence they god forbid can't tip the scales so they are hanging back and providing limited support to all and letting political figures that want to back people do it. On the flip side after Georgia and Ossoff, the DNC can't be too supportive of a dem candidate, least it motivate the GOP vote to get out and stop the Dems from ruining America. So they don't seem to be active but they are, they are just more cautious and subtle about it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/ ... nia-417425

Seems with Lamb's success more dems are gonna disavow Pelosi. I am all fine for winning and I get that she is a huge GOP bogeyman and caricture of all that is evil with the dems not to mention she is old and has been there forever. I get it, young blood, new leadership for a new breed of Dems and a fresh younger class giving the GOP no bogeyman. H

However, Nasty Pelosi got it done. If she told you she would get you the votes she got the votes. She ran a tight ship and knew when to allow decent as long as the party goal was achieved. I don't want her ditched and we and up with some Boehner like insurrection where the House leader can't guarantee anything become some group want to hold things for hostage and we look more and more dysfunctional, so I hope the Dems play the game right.

Voter shaming for 2020 has already begun
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1OuNtwFGzSE

Also, I like what Ro Khanna has to say
https://mobile.twitter.com/RoKhanna/sta ... 1361992706