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Author:  Bowens [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:59 am ]
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FR we have all met. DT is an American blue collar background man at the end of the day. That's why me and him relate.

Author:  Flyin Ryan [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:11 am ]
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Bowens wrote:
FR we have all met. DT is an American blue collar background man at the end of the day. That's why me and him relate.


Have nothing bad to say about either of you, anyone I've met, or most of the people on this board. We all enjoy the discussion and getting challenged sometimes, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Author:  Bowens [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:15 am ]
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Well I won't speak for him but he is genuine in his background and is entitled to evolve on any issue he wants to. We live in a crazy political time I know you will agree.

Author:  Flyin Ryan [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:38 am ]
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Bowens wrote:
Well I won't speak for him but he is genuine in his background and is entitled to evolve on any issue he wants to. We live in a crazy political time I know you will agree.


I'm not saying he's not genuine. I'm saying the last major influx of new people into the Democratic Party challenging the status quo he thought:

Deadtigers wrote:
I am enjoying watching Sanders struggle. It is clear that in states with a solid minority population, they just don't like/trust him. I said it before he bashed the Obama administration and that was a no-no to Black people and maybe other minorities. Those things matter and all those white kids out of college and children of hippy parents can't over turn that.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=72244&p=5191486&hilit=sanders#p5191486

Author:  Deadtigers [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:07 am ]
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I can be both bro. Sanders was not the man to take it forward. I can agree that someone has tore their acl but I can differ on whether surgery is necessary or not. I saw Sanders as a version of NRFL league with that mac guy.

Sanders talked a good game but he was very flawed, selfish and proven. He had some bad tactics and when he lost or struggled he cried bloody murder in a way a female candidate could never. He embraced the economic justice leg of the 3 legged stool but had nothing on social and or civil justice.

However beyond all that there is young energy and old progressives energy in the party demanding that rather than move to the middle ground left unoccupied by the move further right. I have always believed in universal healthcare, unions and investing in education. I have just been a pragmatist as to when the country was truly ready for such things.

I remember drinking with you in Chicago but you were so loaded your wife had to drive. Need to do it again.

Author:  Bowens [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 5:30 am ]
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DT I remember you being passed out and shipped home in a cab one night but maybe my memory is off. :o

Author:  eldanielfire [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:12 pm ]
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RWC2015 wrote:
I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the real deal.


She's to much of a democratic establishment who talks down to the masses. Like Clinton she is exactly the sort of candidate Trump can beat.She can't win over those rust belt working class. Then there is the virtual signalling, the fact she is always ranting and didn't she lie about being a minority?

Author:  Deadtigers [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:29 pm ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
RWC2015 wrote:
I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the real deal.


She's to much of a democratic establishment who talks down to the masses. Like Clinton she is exactly the sort of candidate Trump can beat.She can't win over those rust belt working class. Then there is the virtual signalling, the fact she is always ranting and didn't she lie about being a minority?


She only lied if you want to believe right wing conspiracy stuff but then again pizzagate and all of that so people will believe stuff. I actually don't think she talks down. She was a college economic professor so she does sound like a teacher but if you listen to her actual message it hits all the notes that a lot of the working class complain about. However, you could be right and it could be about the messenger and not the message.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:29 pm ]
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Bowens wrote:
DT I remember you being passed out and shipped home in a cab one night but maybe my memory is off. :o


It is not. I think that was our 4th after party bar. Sorry, I wore down, catching the last flight into town thanks to a snowstorm and all that.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:34 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
RWC2015 wrote:
I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the real deal.


She's to much of a democratic establishment who talks down to the masses. Like Clinton she is exactly the sort of candidate Trump can beat.She can't win over those rust belt working class. Then there is the virtual signalling, the fact she is always ranting and didn't she lie about being a minority?


She only lied if you want to believe right wing conspiracy stuff but then again pizzagate and all of that so people will believe stuff. I actually don't think she talks down. She was a college economic professor so she does sound like a teacher but if you listen to her actual message it hits all the notes that a lot of the working class complain about. However, you could be right and it could be about the messenger and not the message.



Actually reading a few left leaning stuff, she almost certainly did claim to be part native american for her law firm.

She's already very polarising and is typical echo chamber politics. She simply won't reach the people who Obama lost.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:27 pm ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
RWC2015 wrote:
I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the real deal.


She's to much of a democratic establishment who talks down to the masses. Like Clinton she is exactly the sort of candidate Trump can beat.She can't win over those rust belt working class. Then there is the virtual signalling, the fact she is always ranting and didn't she lie about being a minority?


She only lied if you want to believe right wing conspiracy stuff but then again pizzagate and all of that so people will believe stuff. I actually don't think she talks down. She was a college economic professor so she does sound like a teacher but if you listen to her actual message it hits all the notes that a lot of the working class complain about. However, you could be right and it could be about the messenger and not the message.



Actually reading a few left leaning stuff, she almost certainly did claim to be part native american for her law firm.

She's already very polarising and is typical echo chamber politics. She simply won't reach the people who Obama lost.


My point is there is no proof she is not, unless she take a DNA test. The whole argument is based on her looking too white to claim being Native. If I am being a bit defensive here it is because I am Ghanaian but also part Scottish and Dutch but in the USA I have to explain myself over and over as to how I have Dutch and Scottish roots and because I don't look or sound like Djimon, people question how I am West African. So I tend to support her in this instance.

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!

Author:  Bowens [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:37 pm ]
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Hillary needs to be muzzled before 2020, when she opens her mouth she helps the other side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ther-spin/

I hope this doesn't impact Conor Lamb. πŸ™ˆ

Author:  Deadtigers [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:30 pm ]
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Bowens wrote:
Hillary needs to be muzzled before 2020, when she opens her mouth she helps the other side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ther-spin/

I hope this doesn't impact Conor Lamb. πŸ™ˆ


It shouldn't. I feel two minds about this. I get from the political landscape she is a divisive figure and needs to fall back so the new movement can start. At the same time, she has had to live this weird political life where people could attack her for ever action and she had to eat it. She didn't believe in Bernie's free unicorns, She was the anti-christ, she's this, she's that. Now she is not running for anything else so why can't she drop bombs and be allowed to be selfish. She is not a saint but you have to admit from the moment they entered the national stage coverage has been skewed to make her look like some Cruella Deville type character.

Author:  goeagles [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:28 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:
Bowens wrote:
Hillary needs to be muzzled before 2020, when she opens her mouth she helps the other side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ther-spin/

I hope this doesn't impact Conor Lamb. πŸ™ˆ


It shouldn't. I feel two minds about this. I get from the political landscape she is a divisive figure and needs to fall back so the new movement can start. At the same time, she has had to live this weird political life where people could attack her for ever action and she had to eat it. She didn't believe in Bernie's free unicorns, She was the anti-christ, she's this, she's that. Now she is not running for anything else so why can't she drop bombs and be allowed to be selfish. She is not a saint but you have to admit from the moment they entered the national stage coverage has been skewed to make her look like some Cruella Deville type character.


Clinton looks more flawed every day. If she actually cared about anyone but herself she wouldn't be dropping those bombs as it only hurts the Democrats and further entrenches Trump in the places that the Dems need to win back.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:33 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
RWC2015 wrote:
I'd love to see Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the real deal.


She's to much of a democratic establishment who talks down to the masses. Like Clinton she is exactly the sort of candidate Trump can beat.She can't win over those rust belt working class. Then there is the virtual signalling, the fact she is always ranting and didn't she lie about being a minority?


She only lied if you want to believe right wing conspiracy stuff but then again pizzagate and all of that so people will believe stuff. I actually don't think she talks down. She was a college economic professor so she does sound like a teacher but if you listen to her actual message it hits all the notes that a lot of the working class complain about. However, you could be right and it could be about the messenger and not the message.



Actually reading a few left leaning stuff, she almost certainly did claim to be part native american for her law firm.

She's already very polarising and is typical echo chamber politics. She simply won't reach the people who Obama lost.


My point is there is no proof she is not, unless she take a DNA test. The whole argument is based on her looking too white to claim being Native. If I am being a bit defensive here it is because I am Ghanaian but also part Scottish and Dutch but in the USA I have to explain myself over and over as to how I have Dutch and Scottish roots and because I don't look or sound like Djimon, people question how I am West African. So I tend to support her in this instance.


Absurd. Members of her own cousins dismissed any known native american relatives or stories. The fact no one or anyone can trace likely hood of her claims, and I notice she rejects taking an DNA test.

Quote:

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!


Your comment is typical of once again being some snobby middle class liberal telling working people what you believe they are supposed to want.

Warren isn't well liked because what the left doesn't need is another rich white lefty taking down to the poor people telling how they are supposed to feel and act. It's not about having a beer. I notice even the New York Times can't take to her.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:40 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:
Bowens wrote:
Hillary needs to be muzzled before 2020, when she opens her mouth she helps the other side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ther-spin/

I hope this doesn't impact Conor Lamb. πŸ™ˆ


It shouldn't. I feel two minds about this. I get from the political landscape she is a divisive figure and needs to fall back so the new movement can start. At the same time, she has had to live this weird political life where people could attack her for ever action and she had to eat it. She didn't believe in Bernie's free unicorns, She was the anti-christ, she's this, she's that. Now she is not running for anything else so why can't she drop bombs and be allowed to be selfish. She is not a saint but you have to admit from the moment they entered the national stage coverage has been skewed to make her look like some Cruella Deville type character.



What rubbish. She is a foul shitty creature and 98 out of America's top 100 papers supported her over Trump. Just read what the wikileaks stuff show her to be. Nasty, ruthless, manipulative who would just be adding to the war Machine. Stop talking rubbish. The wikileaks stuff alone show what a vile vindictive and evil women she is. Also how useless she is.

Also Bernie's free unicorns argument is a joke, this past year they have just given $160 billion more to the military machines. The USA is a country that has enemies or fear of invasion at home. But Bernie Sanders education policies would cost $65 billion and people claim he's giving away money that the country doesn't have FFS!

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:14 pm ]
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Bowens wrote:
Hillary needs to be muzzled before 2020, when she opens her mouth she helps the other side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ther-spin/

I hope this doesn't impact Conor Lamb. πŸ™ˆ



Help the other side. Read Wikileaks reveal of Hilary's Pied Piper strategy. Basically Hilary knew the public were so aware she was vile that the only way they saw a win was to have an apparently worse opponent. She used her undue influence over the press to get them to focus entirely on Donald Trump in the Republican primaries, to make him the star and centrepiece so he appeared worse then she was. Of course it backfired spectacularly :lol: To everyones regret :uhoh:

Author:  Bowens [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:22 pm ]
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I'm well aware edf. See my post dated August 2015.

Quote:
CNN going all in on Trump today. Saying he's emerging as the front runner and a formidable candidate. This is so clearly the media conspiring to get him the GOP nomination, for the circus that would surround his candidacy if nothing else.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56556&p=3501317#p3501317

They created candidate Trump then couldn't control him.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:30 pm ]
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Bowens wrote:
I'm well aware edf. See my post dated August 2015.

Quote:
CNN going all in on Trump today. Saying he's emerging as the front runner and a formidable candidate. This is so clearly the media conspiring to get him the GOP nomination, for the circus that would surround his candidacy if nothing else.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56556&p=3501317#p3501317

They created candidate Trump then couldn't control him.


:thumbup:

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:34 pm ]
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Oh and BTW sorry for not knowing your positions and knowledge, you'll notice I almost never appeared on the Trump-Hilary politics thread because i found both candidates so horrific choices it was actually depressing.

Author:  Bowens [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:40 pm ]
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I'm just as clueless as everyone else here. ;)

Author:  Deadtigers [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:54 pm ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
Absurd. Members of her own cousins dismissed any known native american relatives or stories. The fact no one or anyone can trace likely hood of her claims, and I notice she rejects taking an DNA test.

Quote:

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!


Your comment is typical of once again being some snobby middle class liberal telling working people what you believe they are supposed to want.

Warren isn't well liked because what the left doesn't need is another rich white lefty taking down to the poor people telling how they are supposed to feel and act. It's not about having a beer. I notice even the New York Times can't take to her.


You don't know shit about me. I lived 5 to a room, I graduated out of one of the worst Junior HS in America and the 4th worst HS in NYC. I know what it is like to fear be deported. These f**king people get coddled. Life is rough so I get to be an ignorant sexist racist. I get to vote for a horrible human being to be president. You think I don't have college debt. You think it wasn't hard for me to be in college away from home with a dad with bad knees and feet standing 8-10 hours a day so I could go to college. I speak for the point of view of a person who had to carve out something, who never got the right or opportunity to complain because I have cousins in Ghana that would jump at the chance. These fuckers were born here and are white what is their excuse for underachieving!?!?

They f**king live a privileged life and don't want to adjust to competition and fight. Well I have no choice but to adjust. I couldn't be a HS dropout, these fuckers choose to be HS dropouts and then want to blame someone else for their troubles!!

The NY Times also did a piece on how Nazis are good neighbors so how about you pump your breaks on them.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:00 pm ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
Bowens wrote:
Hillary needs to be muzzled before 2020, when she opens her mouth she helps the other side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ther-spin/

I hope this doesn't impact Conor Lamb. πŸ™ˆ


It shouldn't. I feel two minds about this. I get from the political landscape she is a divisive figure and needs to fall back so the new movement can start. At the same time, she has had to live this weird political life where people could attack her for ever action and she had to eat it. She didn't believe in Bernie's free unicorns, She was the anti-christ, she's this, she's that. Now she is not running for anything else so why can't she drop bombs and be allowed to be selfish. She is not a saint but you have to admit from the moment they entered the national stage coverage has been skewed to make her look like some Cruella Deville type character.



What rubbish. She is a foul shitty creature and 98 out of America's top 100 papers supported her over Trump. Just read what the wikileaks stuff show her to be. Nasty, ruthless, manipulative who would just be adding to the war Machine. Stop talking rubbish. The wikileaks stuff alone show what a vile vindictive and evil women she is. Also how useless she is.

Also Bernie's free unicorns argument is a joke, this past year they have just given $160 billion more to the military machines. The USA is a country that has enemies or fear of invasion at home. But Bernie Sanders education policies would cost $65 billion and people claim he's giving away money that the country doesn't have FFS!


Did you know Bernie's economic plan was based on 4% yearly growth for 5 years, when we had only had 4% growth for two years on two separate occasions ever in the history of the country. This is what I mean, people want to celebrate him but not look at his policies.

My point about Hillary is not that she is an angel but that she was no different to several male pols but somehow she was viewed as a much more horrible person. People supported the experienced politican, I mean how dare these papers. The News coverage was always skewed against her, do we need to drag up the 5 rules to covering HRC again. Vindictive?? George W Bush used the Feds to give Bill Maher a hard time after Maher ripped him a new one after 9/11 on his show. It is the same bullshit, somehow she is some way worse than the rest of the f**king scum because she is a woman.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:13 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Absurd. Members of her own cousins dismissed any known native american relatives or stories. The fact no one or anyone can trace likely hood of her claims, and I notice she rejects taking an DNA test.

Quote:

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!


Your comment is typical of once again being some snobby middle class liberal telling working people what you believe they are supposed to want.

Warren isn't well liked because what the left doesn't need is another rich white lefty taking down to the poor people telling how they are supposed to feel and act. It's not about having a beer. I notice even the New York Times can't take to her.


You don't know shit about me. I lived 5 to a room, I graduated out of one of the worst Junior HS in America and the 4th worst HS in NYC. I know what it is like to fear be deported. These f**king people get coddled. Life is rough so I get to be an ignorant sexist racist. I get to vote for a horrible human being to be president. You think I don't have college debt. You think it wasn't hard for me to be in college away from home with a dad with bad knees and feet standing 8-10 hours a day so I could go to college. I speak for the point of view of a person who had to carve out something, who never got the right or opportunity to complain because I have cousins in Ghana that would jump at the chance. These fuckers were born here and are white what is their excuse for underachieving!?!?

They f**king live a privileged life and don't want to adjust to competition and fight. Well I have no choice but to adjust. I couldn't be a HS dropout, these fuckers choose to be HS dropouts and then want to blame someone else for their troubles!!


Well done you, now stop speaking down to people like a snobby middle class liberal and trying to white wash who Hilary Clinton is given the massive number of horrible facts about her character like what snobby middle class liberals did for most of 2016.

Quote:

The NY Times also did a piece on how Nazis are good neighbors so how about you pump your breaks on them.


I applaud them for doing good journalism. The subject of that particular piece was not as straight forward as shouting "nazis next door, they are trying to gas the Jews". They clearly aren't endorsing them or their politics, but trying to get understand their lives, you don't have to virtual signal and push editoral political judgement on everything you will print. It's just good journalism to learn about something not understood nor is ever resented to the majority of the readership, like a less wacky Louis Theroux documentary. The readers can decide if they are scum for themselves, like adults. The media doesn't have to always tell people what to think.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:19 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:

Did you know Bernie's economic plan was based on 4% yearly growth for 5 years, when we had only had 4% growth for two years on two separate occasions ever in the history of the country. This is what I mean, people want to celebrate him but not look at his policies.

My point about Hillary is not that she is an angel but that she was no different to several male pols but somehow she was viewed as a much more horrible person.


No angle? That's a f**king understatement.

Quote:
People supported the experienced politican, I mean how dare these papers. The News coverage was always skewed against her, do we need to drag up the 5 rules to covering HRC again. Vindictive?? George W Bush used the Feds to give Bill Maher a hard time after Maher ripped him a new one after 9/11 on his show. It is the same bullshit, somehow she is some way worse than the rest of the f**king scum because she is a woman.


She's viewed as horrible person because she is. So were multiple republlcian candidates. Only Clinton tried to rig her primaries.

And using George W Bush as an example of unfair Clinton criticism is f**king retarded! Did you not see how much shit he got constantly during his regin? How hated he is over Iraq? How evil he and Dick Cheney are generally regarded as? The massive protests? The numerous documentaries against him? FFS the idea Clinton is hated more than Bush at all is f**king ridiculous, let alone this idea she's a women is the problem with her image. Well done for re-writing history.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:49 pm ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Absurd. Members of her own cousins dismissed any known native american relatives or stories. The fact no one or anyone can trace likely hood of her claims, and I notice she rejects taking an DNA test.

Quote:

She is polarising because the left likes to divide themselves into smaller slivers of true believers and because she didnt' support Bernie in 2016 but rather Hillary, her name is mud to lots of progressives. I am a big fan of hers and if you listen to here talk about economics and policy, it is everything all these rubes that demand that a person that rep them be someone they want to drink with are saying. Her problem is she is a woman and a well educated one at that, so that is a big no-no to these people. They want a small town guy who know his way around a Chevy and drinks Bud!!


Your comment is typical of once again being some snobby middle class liberal telling working people what you believe they are supposed to want.

Warren isn't well liked because what the left doesn't need is another rich white lefty taking down to the poor people telling how they are supposed to feel and act. It's not about having a beer. I notice even the New York Times can't take to her.


You don't know shit about me. I lived 5 to a room, I graduated out of one of the worst Junior HS in America and the 4th worst HS in NYC. I know what it is like to fear be deported. These f**king people get coddled. Life is rough so I get to be an ignorant sexist racist. I get to vote for a horrible human being to be president. You think I don't have college debt. You think it wasn't hard for me to be in college away from home with a dad with bad knees and feet standing 8-10 hours a day so I could go to college. I speak for the point of view of a person who had to carve out something, who never got the right or opportunity to complain because I have cousins in Ghana that would jump at the chance. These fuckers were born here and are white what is their excuse for underachieving!?!?

They f**king live a privileged life and don't want to adjust to competition and fight. Well I have no choice but to adjust. I couldn't be a HS dropout, these fuckers choose to be HS dropouts and then want to blame someone else for their troubles!!


Well done you, now stop speaking down to people like a snobby middle class liberal and trying to white wash who Hilary Clinton is given the massive number of horrible facts about her character like what snobby middle class liberals did for most of 2016.

Quote:

The NY Times also did a piece on how Nazis are good neighbors so how about you pump your breaks on them.


I applaud them for doing good journalism. The subject of that particular piece was not as straight forward as shouting "nazis next door, they are trying to gas the Jews". They clearly aren't endorsing them or their politics, but trying to get understand their lives, you don't have to virtual signal and push editoral political judgement on everything you will print. It's just good journalism to learn about something not understood nor is ever resented to the majority of the readership, like a less wacky Louis Theroux documentary. The readers can decide if they are scum for themselves, like adults. The media doesn't have to always tell people what to think.


Or you could be normalizing people with horrible beliefs. Not to mention the guy never pressed the nazi on the inaccuracy of his statements, his downplaying of the holocaust or Hitler's role. I call it reckless but yeah sure whatever.

White snobby middle class people were all in on Bernie, not Hillary. Those were the people demanding free college. Explain how Canda can't accomplish free college but the USA was suppose. They didn't talk about free vocational training did they. They demand 15 an hour and when Hillary said lets do like "my stat" NY and make it 12.50 in smaller areas and 15 in big cities, she was vilified. I can bring up the debate clip and articles if you like.

I get it, you think she deserves all the shit she got. Which is fine, but then don't expect me to coddle the people that threw the shit at her. They deserve the shit they get too. They chose hate over decency because it wasn't gonna touch them. That goes for Bernie Bros and Trumpkins.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:00 pm ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:

Did you know Bernie's economic plan was based on 4% yearly growth for 5 years, when we had only had 4% growth for two years on two separate occasions ever in the history of the country. This is what I mean, people want to celebrate him but not look at his policies.

My point about Hillary is not that she is an angel but that she was no different to several male pols but somehow she was viewed as a much more horrible person.


No angle? That's a f**king understatement.

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People supported the experienced politican, I mean how dare these papers. The News coverage was always skewed against her, do we need to drag up the 5 rules to covering HRC again. Vindictive?? George W Bush used the Feds to give Bill Maher a hard time after Maher ripped him a new one after 9/11 on his show. It is the same bullshit, somehow she is some way worse than the rest of the f**king scum because she is a woman.


She's viewed as horrible person because she is. So were multiple republlcian candidates. Only Clinton tried to rig her primaries.

And using George W Bush as an example of unfair Clinton criticism is f**king retarded! Did you not see how much shit he got constantly during his regin? How hated he is over Iraq? How evil he and Dick Cheney are generally regarded as? The massive protests? The numerous documentaries against him? FFS the idea Clinton is hated more than Bush at all is f**king ridiculous, let alone this idea she's a women is the problem with her image. Well done for re-writing history.


Rig primaries!?! This is the over the top bullshit I am talking about. I love how people like you whitewash the fact that Bernie ran a shit campaign. Shit job getting his message to black people? Nope that was Hillary's fault somehow. Shit job getting his message of social justice out? Nope that was Hillary too. The fact that the debate schedule was out for year in advance and so too the primary schedule was also her fault. Is he responsible for anything. Oh that is right rigging, i.e. getting the support of long time Dems and DNC employees over an interloper that cheated then waged war against the DNC. Bernie broke a f**king gentleman's agreement on tech database use and when he was found out to do so and fined, he f**king cried unfair and got fools like you all in his corner because, Your Messiah couldn't cheat it had to be the evil DNC. It is amazing!! You talk about whitewash and people like you act like Bernie was just some little old lady robbed and beaten up at gunpoint by mean old Hillary.

The fact she is a woman is a huge problem with her image. She could never be like the men. Her opponent was an actual rapist but she was viewed as worse to some people because she didn't divorce her husband who was an accused molester. And yet now every f**king body feels sorry for Melania. GTFO. You are full of shit.

Author:  flaggETERNAL [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:19 pm ]
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Shut up DT...you're talking like someone who lives in the US... :x :P

Author:  Ewinkum [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:28 pm ]
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I’m keeping a seat for DT on the 2020 Bernietrain.
I’ll be driving, but he’ll be blowing the whistle.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:34 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:

Or you could be normalizing people with horrible beliefs.
Not to mention the guy never pressed the nazi on the inaccuracy of his statements, his downplaying of the holocaust or Hitler's role. I call it reckless but yeah sure whatever.

White snobby middle class people were all in on Bernie, not Hillary. Those were the people demanding free college. Explain how Canda can't accomplish free college but the USA was suppose. They didn't talk about free vocational training did they. They demand 15 an hour and when Hillary said lets do like "my stat" NY and make it 12.50 in smaller areas and 15 in big cities, she was vilified. I can bring up the debate clip and articles if you like.

I get it, you think she deserves all the shit she got. Which is fine, but then don't expect me to coddle the people that threw the shit at her. They deserve the shit they get too. They chose hate over decency because it wasn't gonna touch them. That goes for Bernie Bros and Trumpkins.



Quit with this SJW anti-language bollocks. It's people who say crap like "don't normalise this" who are pushing people out the mainstream into extreme groups rather then engage with them. Demonising and de-humanising these people is part of the reason why they get pushed out of the mainstream anyway and it's even valid to point out among nazi's have a spectrum of characters and behaviours and even beliefs among them and that many live quiet none violent lives. Start treating readers like they are entirely retarded. We've had racists among us for centuries and still we live in times today where it's never been better for a minority. A NYT piece that observes one is not going to change that just like countless studies of murders, killers etc does not normalise killing.

And don't start playing Bernie in the same category as Trump. It was Hilary's camp who demonised him. As for free college, I just pointed out congress has given the military 160 billion more each year, 3 times the cost of free college. And don't act like free college is some alien impossible concept, most western European countries manage it.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:58 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:

Rig primaries!?! This is the over the top bullshit I am talking about. I love how people like you whitewash the fact that Bernie ran a shit campaign. Shit job getting his message to black people?

Nope that was Hillary's fault somehow. Shit job getting his message of social justice out? Nope that was Hillary too. The fact that the debate schedule was out for year in advance and so too the primary schedule was also her fault. Is he responsible for anything. Oh that is right rigging, i.e. getting the support of long time Dems and DNC employees over an interloper that cheated then waged war against the DNC. Bernie broke a f**king gentleman's agreement on tech database use and when he was found out to do so and fined, he f**king cried unfair and got fools like you all in his corner because, Your Messiah couldn't cheat it had to be the evil DNC. It is amazing!! You talk about whitewash and people like you act like Bernie was just some little old lady robbed and beaten up at gunpoint by mean old Hillary.

The fact she is a woman is a huge problem with her image. She could never be like the men. Her opponent was an actual rapist but she was viewed as worse to some people because she didn't divorce her husband who was an accused molester. And yet now every f**king body feels sorry for Melania. GTFO. You are full of shit.



f**king hell, you white wash the Clinton-DNC arrangement, an arrangement so toxic now they are re-writing the rules, and dare claim somebody else is bullshitting is rather funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: . The way she has gone round afterwards blaming everybody else for it only show what a pathetic human she is women she is.

Hilary being a woman had nothing to do with her lose. She lost because she was always unpopular even when Bill was president, literally was caught saying how her public beliefs are her private beliefs, thousands of dodgy emails and her blatant attempts to bury them by destroying servers, the 145 million given to the Clinton foundation after Hilary approved a Uranium deal for them and other such cosy arrangements of the Clinton foundation, her oversight of the fuck-ups of Libya, Syria her hawkish pro-Iraq war and hawkish history in general. Hilary has a nasty, hypocritical history. People could see that, the campaign tried to show her as somebody she isn't an lost of people saw right through it.

Face it Hilary stunk, the idea a country who just twice voted for a black man wouldn't vote for a women is ridiculous. The fact her whole campaign plan was to try and get the media to focus on and hope for a republican who was even less appealing than her showed this. She was a bad nomination from the start and still had 98 of the top 100 papers on her side and every station bar Fox News. Stop trying to whitewash her character for a false narrative. Hilary did that herself in her book where everyone else was to blame but her.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:44 am ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:

Or you could be normalizing people with horrible beliefs.
Not to mention the guy never pressed the nazi on the inaccuracy of his statements, his downplaying of the holocaust or Hitler's role. I call it reckless but yeah sure whatever.

White snobby middle class people were all in on Bernie, not Hillary. Those were the people demanding free college. Explain how Canda can't accomplish free college but the USA was suppose. They didn't talk about free vocational training did they. They demand 15 an hour and when Hillary said lets do like "my stat" NY and make it 12.50 in smaller areas and 15 in big cities, she was vilified. I can bring up the debate clip and articles if you like.

I get it, you think she deserves all the shit she got. Which is fine, but then don't expect me to coddle the people that threw the shit at her. They deserve the shit they get too. They chose hate over decency because it wasn't gonna touch them. That goes for Bernie Bros and Trumpkins.



Quit with this SJW anti-language bollocks. It's people who say crap like "don't normalise this" who are pushing people out the mainstream into extreme groups rather then engage with them. Demonising and de-humanising these people is part of the reason why they get pushed out of the mainstream anyway and it's even valid to point out among nazi's have a spectrum of characters and behaviours and even beliefs among them and that many live quiet none violent lives. Start treating readers like they are entirely retarded. We've had racists among us for centuries and still we live in times today where it's never been better for a minority. A NYT piece that observes one is not going to change that just like countless studies of murders, killers etc does not normalise killing.

And don't start playing Bernie in the same category as Trump. It was Hilary's camp who demonised him. As for free college, I just pointed out congress has given the military 160 billion more each year, 3 times the cost of free college. And don't act like free college is some alien impossible concept, most western European countries manage it.


Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick. We have had five black people killed at random just for being black by people with horrible ideas like that Nazi but WWE need to hear out racist and xenophobes cause it hurts their feelings when people of color speak up about how they feel they get told to shut up. The only change in Nazi ideas is they now say they want Jews and people of color deported or some other phrase rather than murdered but sure let's hear them out.

And speaking of virtue signaling weren't you the one that said, I would never be more excited to meet as celebrity just cause of their skin color. Yet again spoken like someone never deprived of positive role models.

Bernie always swung first. it is the same revisionist history shit. Sh. He makes wild claims she asks questions and she is evil and demonizing. What you pointed out is how US politics work and the power of the military industrial complex which takes one proper knowledge to navigate. Canada is the closest thing to the USa based on size. Don't confirm your ignorant niceness by trying to say the uSA can do what a country 20th of the size does. We can't even get gun control done. Yet again another Bernie person that is all theory with no reality.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: OFFICIAL 2020 Democratic presidential nominee thread

eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:

Rig primaries!?! This is the over the top bullshit I am talking about. I love how people like you whitewash the fact that Bernie ran a shit campaign. Shit job getting his message to black people?

Nope that was Hillary's fault somehow. Shit job getting his message of social justice out? Nope that was Hillary too. The fact that the debate schedule was out for year in advance and so too the primary schedule was also her fault. Is he responsible for anything. Oh that is right rigging, i.e. getting the support of long time Dems and DNC employees over an interloper that cheated then waged war against the DNC. Bernie broke a f**king gentleman's agreement on tech database use and when he was found out to do so and fined, he f**king cried unfair and got fools like you all in his corner because, Your Messiah couldn't cheat it had to be the evil DNC. It is amazing!! You talk about whitewash and people like you act like Bernie was just some little old lady robbed and beaten up at gunpoint by mean old Hillary.

The fact she is a woman is a huge problem with her image. She could never be like the men. Her opponent was an actual rapist but she was viewed as worse to some people because she didn't divorce her husband who was an accused molester. And yet now every f**king body feels sorry for Melania. GTFO. You are full of shit.



f**king hell, you white wash the Clinton-DNC arrangement, an arrangement so toxic now they are re-writing the rules, and dare claim somebody else is bullshitting is rather funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: . The way she has gone round afterwards blaming everybody else for it only show what a pathetic human she is women she is.

Hilary being a woman had nothing to do with her lose. She lost because she was always unpopular even when Bill was president, literally was caught saying how her public beliefs are her private beliefs, thousands of dodgy emails and her blatant attempts to bury them by destroying servers, the 145 million given to the Clinton foundation after Hilary approved a Uranium deal for them and other such cosy arrangements of the Clinton foundation, her oversight of the fuck-ups of Libya, Syria her hawkish pro-Iraq war and hawkish history in general. Hilary has a nasty, hypocritical history. People could see that, the campaign tried to show her as somebody she isn't an lost of people saw right through it.

Face it Hilary stunk, the idea a country who just twice voted for a black man wouldn't vote for a women is ridiculous. The fact her whole campaign plan was to try and get the media to focus on and hope for a republican who was even less appealing than her showed this. She was a bad nomination from the start and still had 98 of the top 100 papers on her side and every station bar Fox News. Stop trying to whitewash her character for a false narrative. Hilary did that herself in her book where everyone else was to blame but her.


This is how I know you are a full of shit Bernie bro. The nuclear narrative has be dismissed by several papers. Shewould have had to convince 7 agencies include 2 that are apolitical yet she somehow strongarmed people.

This is why you are not worth debating. You have facts presented but you cling onto proven lies. A third-party investigates and rates non-profits rates the Clinton Foundation is one off the best butnope these agencies lie, they don't fit your narrative.

I also pointed out factual incidents and flaws with Bernie and all you got is theory no actual proof to support his nonsense. I am whitewashing then you are bleaching. Bernie never did anything wrong. insulting Obama was OK and It was the DNC that made Black voters turn against him. What about how many actual elections as opposed to caucuses?

Furthermore Obama winning cause unprecedented hate and racism and evil behavior (that must be heared out). The tea party fired up hate against a black president and those people were not ready to follow that with a woman.

Author:  Smee [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:52 am ]
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Liked Connor Lambs victory speech there, my kind of Democrat and it was encouraging to hear him attribute his success to organized labor. Workers are the backbone of this country.

Author:  eldanielfire [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:13 pm ]
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Deadtigers wrote:

Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.


Do you even know my background FFS!


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We have had five black people killed at random just for being black by people with horrible ideas like that Nazi but WWE need to hear out racist and xenophobes cause it hurts their feelings when people of color speak up about how they feel they get told to shut up. The only change in Nazi ideas is they now say they want Jews and people of color deported or some other phrase rather than murdered but sure let's hear them out.


We don't need to hear out racists and xenophobes. You don't have to listen to them. In the NYT you can just turn the page. But not engaging with them or even understanding nuance only pushes people out of the mainstream. In the actual example of the New York times, you find out quite how normal the nazi is, and basically paints (the point of the piece to anyone with a brain) it isn't some masked monster form some other part of the world, that nazis are just normal seeming people who could be in your street. The article reports on his racist beliefs but it doesn't have to follow your template of editing in "THIS IS RACIST BTW" everytime he discussed jewish conspiracies. It's there for the reader and it's clear from the title.


The irony here you fail to understand is that the nazi party back in Germany in the old days gained power and sympathy because they where attempted by the establishment to be forced into public silence. It's how their support grew. Well done on supporting the same tactics that allowed the most nortorious racist party in history to flourish.

BTW a few years ago the BNP (racist party in the UK) got a bit popular (a bit), they were allowed on TV and guess what? We didn't have swarms of idiots join them and hate on minorities, it soon collapsed their support because when they were subject to public debate the public saw them for what they were as they were ripped apart.

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And speaking of virtue signaling weren't you the one that said, I would never be more excited to meet as celebrity just cause of their skin color. Yet again spoken like someone never deprived of positive role models.


Who are my role models then?

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Bernie always swung first. it is the same revisionist history shit. Sh. He makes wild claims she asks questions and she is evil and demonizing. What you pointed out is how US politics work and the power of the military industrial complex which takes one proper knowledge to navigate.


And all Hilary Clinton has ever done is push for more military action. She has no intention of using her knowledge of toning down the worlds worst war machine. Hilary has a past she was white washing over, of course Bernie has a right to pull that apart.


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Canada is the closest thing to the USa based on size. Don't confirm your ignorant niceness by trying to say the uSA can do what a country 20th of the size does. We can't even get gun control done. Yet again another Bernie person that is all theory with no reality.


And it's not remotely close to the USA in population or money. You might as well include Brazil or Australia if that's your criteria. Australia BTW managed to get gun control 20 odd years ago.

Author:  Bowens [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:06 pm ]
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Smee wrote:
Liked Connor Lambs victory speech there, my kind of Democrat and it was encouraging to hear him attribute his success to organized labor. Workers are the backbone of this country.


Yep and I liked the part after that where he talked about the Democrats being the party of his grandfather and FDR. That is something that resonates with people across Western PA and the whole region. If you go back a generation or two in many families, pretty much everyone was a democrat. I think two generations ago, every single person in my own family were democrats. This is where the Dems need to make up ground, where people are receptive to their message (Medicare, Social Security) but have felt left behind by the national Democratic Party policies of last 20 years.

Lamb has a big future though. He will be a senator maybe even a VP candidate.

Author:  Bowens [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:36 pm ]
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eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:

Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.


Do you even know my background FFS!


Yeah DT you do know edf comes from a mixed background correct?

Author:  Dumbledore [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:42 pm ]
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Bowens wrote:
The most popular politician in America rallying with Randy "Iron Stache" Bryce yesterday. Bryce is going to unseat Paul Ryan in November.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1AxCd8HHk

People have to understand Bernie's popularity in that part of the country.

He's great. The DNC should be running, or at least getting behind, far more candidates like him.

Getting rid of Ryan would be incredible

Author:  Deadtigers [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:35 pm ]
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Dumbledore wrote:
Bowens wrote:
The most popular politician in America rallying with Randy "Iron Stache" Bryce yesterday. Bryce is going to unseat Paul Ryan in November.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1AxCd8HHk

People have to understand Bernie's popularity in that part of the country.

He's great. The DNC should be running, or at least getting behind, far more candidates like him.

Getting rid of Ryan would be incredible


The DNC can't do it publicly. Perez and Ellison are doing fundraising but they are trying to be subtle with support because of progressive cry babies and people want to feel like they are doing it themselves.

Ryan sold his soul and is gonna pay for it. But unseating a sitting house speaker is a very rare and almost impossible task so best of luck to him.

Author:  Deadtigers [ Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:36 pm ]
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Bowens wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:

Spoken like a person who has never felt the shifty side of the stick.


Do you even know my background FFS!


Yeah DT you do know edf comes from a mixed background correct?


Doesn't mean he knows the shitty side of the stick. And he didn't care to know my background and struggle before judging me.

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