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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:30 pm 
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Just watched this 3 part documentary on Netflix, knew nothing about this story but the mention of concussion in the blurb drew me in.
Hell of a story and well worth a watch for anyone with even a passing interest in either true crime or contact sports.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:33 pm 
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Good podcast on him too called Gladiator.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:37 pm 
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danthefan wrote:
Good podcast on him too called Gladiator.


Sound, I'll check that out


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danthefan wrote:
Good podcast on him too called Gladiator.


That was really well done. They did one about a terrible spinal surgeon called dr death which also worth listening too


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Finished watching the Netflix doco today.

What a f$&ked up life.

The perfect storm to turn him into a psycho.


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Just finished it, how he got off for the murder of the other two?!?


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I watched it, thought it was really good. I did think they blamed CTE for a lot of his bad behaviour when it seemed like he was a moronic wannabe gangster and a genuinely terrible person too.


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Watched the first episode.
Very entertaining stuff.

Guy was an irredeemable and scummy moron it seems.


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Man In Black wrote:
I watched it, thought it was really good. I did think they blamed CTE for a lot of his bad behaviour when it seemed like he was a moronic wannabe gangster and a genuinely terrible person too.


When he was drafted he was offering to take voluntary drug tests , because of his record at college. His problem was being a crack head, not concussions.


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Just finished it, how he got off for the murder of the other two?!?


A lack of evidence to say he murdered them?


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Man In Black wrote:
I watched it, thought it was really good. I did think they blamed CTE for a lot of his bad behaviour when it seemed like he was a moronic wannabe gangster and a genuinely terrible person too.


When he was drafted he was offering to take voluntary drug tests , because of his record at college. His problem was being a crack head, not concussions.


I think they misrepresented the drug thing too, they kept saying he was smoking MJ all the time, but they largely left out they were laced with pcp


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Zakar wrote:
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Man In Black wrote:
I watched it, thought it was really good. I did think they blamed CTE for a lot of his bad behaviour when it seemed like he was a moronic wannabe gangster and a genuinely terrible person too.


When he was drafted he was offering to take voluntary drug tests , because of his record at college. His problem was being a crack head, not concussions.


I think they misrepresented the drug thing too, they kept saying he was smoking MJ all the time, but they largely left out they were laced with pcp


Yes, very little mention. The gay thing must have played some part in his decisions but you've still got to be a scumbag to carry on the way he did. As a father of a kid who has been suicidal with the whole coming out thing, I know there must be immense conflicts in your head in a macho world like that. But again, not sure that can be any excuse for behaviour like his.


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Yeah it's a great watch. A lot of the Netflix stuff can be too long as they try and build content. This on the other hand was super stuff. I knew the story in passing and the link to cte. Having watched it looks overblown in this case. Proper thick cünt all the same


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The podcast is class - thanks to whoever recommended it - gives a much fuller picture than the Netflix documentary. Proper weirdo to begin with then throw in drug use, being in the closet, traumatic brain injury.


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The podcast is class - thanks to whoever recommended it - gives a much fuller picture than the Netflix documentary. Proper weirdo to begin with then throw in drug use, being in the closet, traumatic brain injury.


Enough about you, what did you think of the documentary?


:proud:


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Mr. Very Popular wrote:
Duff Paddy wrote:
The podcast is class - thanks to whoever recommended it - gives a much fuller picture than the Netflix documentary. Proper weirdo to begin with then throw in drug use, being in the closet, traumatic brain injury.


Enough about you, what did you think of the documentary?


:proud:


The jokes need work kid


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We needed an elder curmudgeonly statesman Duff.


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Yeah it's a great watch. A lot of the Netflix stuff can be too long as they try and build content. This on the other hand was super stuff. I knew the story in passing and the link to cte. Having watched it looks overblown in this case. Proper thick cünt all the same

I'm not sure I quite agree with the criticism that they try to explain or lean on certain factors in his life too much.
I think they just show the drug use, the child abuse, sexuality issues and CTE as some contributing factors to what made him act in the way he did. Not so much excuse it.


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Floppykid wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Yeah it's a great watch. A lot of the Netflix stuff can be too long as they try and build content. This on the other hand was super stuff. I knew the story in passing and the link to cte. Having watched it looks overblown in this case. Proper thick cünt all the same

I'm not sure I quite agree with the criticism that they try to explain or lean on certain factors in his life too much.
I think they just show the drug use, the child abuse, sexuality issues and CTE as some contributing factors to what made him act in the way he did. Not so much excuse it.


I thought it leaned on that factor a bit too much. Getting family members involved so he could dissect the relationship with the cousin would have made it very good


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EverReady wrote:
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EverReady wrote:
Yeah it's a great watch. A lot of the Netflix stuff can be too long as they try and build content. This on the other hand was super stuff. I knew the story in passing and the link to cte. Having watched it looks overblown in this case. Proper thick cünt all the same

I'm not sure I quite agree with the criticism that they try to explain or lean on certain factors in his life too much.
I think they just show the drug use, the child abuse, sexuality issues and CTE as some contributing factors to what made him act in the way he did. Not so much excuse it.


I thought it leaned on that factor a bit too much. Getting family members involved so he could dissect the relationship with the cousin would have made it very good

Given how delusional some of his family seemed, I doubt they'd want to be part of the show. I'd bet they were asked.

Seeing how damaged his brain was from the CTE, I think they were right to mark it as a contributing factor to his impulsiveness. It didn't help him temper his scummier instincts anyway.


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Suppose. I forgot he had died so you have ruined the end of the story for me. Ruined it


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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't killing himself whilst his appeal was pending meant that the original guilty verdict was set aside.
Meaning his estate doesn't have to compensate his victims?


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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't killing himself whilst his appeal was pending meant that the original guilty verdict was set aside.
Meaning his estate doesn't have to compensate his victims?

Originally yes, but then reinstated


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Reading there he had no estate worth talking about as in about 50k


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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't killing himself whilst his appeal was pending meant that the original guilty verdict was set aside.
Meaning his estate doesn't have to compensate his victims?

Originally yes, but then reinstated

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His daughter really has a dreadful start to life.


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His daughter really has a dreadful start to life.


She is bunched. Her mother is another dick


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EverReady wrote:
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His daughter really has a dreadful start to life.


She is bunched. Her mother is another dick

None of the family members who appear front and centre seem very functional to be honest.


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Man In Black wrote:
I watched it, thought it was really good. I did think they blamed CTE for a lot of his bad behaviour when it seemed like he was a moronic wannabe gangster and a genuinely terrible person too.


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The researchers suggested that the CTE, which results in poor judgment, lack of impulse control, or aggression, anger, paranoia, emotional volatility, and rage behaviors


Sure about that?


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Floppykid wrote:
EverReady wrote:
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His daughter really has a dreadful start to life.


She is bunched. Her mother is another dick

None of the family members who appear front and centre seem very functional to be honest.


The mother berating him on the phone for not giving her a million. Was one of the moments I felt very sorry for him without excusing his behaviour


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EverReady wrote:
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His daughter really has a dreadful start to life.


She is bunched. Her mother is another dick

None of the family members who appear front and centre seem very functional to be honest.


The mother berating him on the phone for not giving her a million. Was one of the moments I felt very sorry for him without excusing his behaviour

His whole life is a case study on how to produce a highly anti-social scummy fucker.
I don't want to think what he was like in FSU.

That's not at all to excuse him.

There's far better people who have gone through far worse in life.


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Floppykid wrote:
His whole life is a case study on how to produce a highly anti-social scummy fucker.
I don't want to think what he was like in FSU.

That's not at all to excuse him.

There's far better people who have gone through far worse in life.


They touch on it don't they, where he punched the guy for asking him to settle his bill. Just part of the entitlement.

But fudge me, his parents are a couple of plum.


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BokJock wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
His whole life is a case study on how to produce a highly anti-social scummy fucker.
I don't want to think what he was like in FSU.

That's not at all to excuse him.

There's far better people who have gone through far worse in life.


They touch on it don't they, where he punched the guy for asking him to settle his bill. Just part of the entitlement.

But fudge me, his parents are a couple of plum.

Yup, I'd bet that's one of the milder things he did.
American football players in college must be some of the most toxic plum around I'd say.


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His lawyer has being giving out about the documentary.

1. Says he was grand in Florida and shot nobody
2. Said the phone calls while in the public record shouldn't have been aired.
2. Said the sexuality stuff was mean

Not exactly tearing it apart


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His lawyer has being giving out about the documentary.

1. Says he was grand in Florida and shot nobody
2. Said the phone calls while in the public record shouldn't have been aired.
2. Said the sexuality stuff was mean

Not exactly tearing it apart

Was this the celebrity slick dick lawyer who got that absolute fox Casey Anthoney off?


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Man In Black wrote:
I watched it, thought it was really good. I did think they blamed CTE for a lot of his bad behaviour when it seemed like he was a moronic wannabe gangster and a genuinely terrible person too.


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The researchers suggested that the CTE, which results in poor judgment, lack of impulse control, or aggression, anger, paranoia, emotional volatility, and rage behaviors


Sure about that?

Didn't the wannabe gangster and entitled plum type behaviour pre-date the head injuries?


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Floppykid wrote:
EverReady wrote:
His lawyer has being giving out about the documentary.

1. Says he was grand in Florida and shot nobody
2. Said the phone calls while in the public record shouldn't have been aired.
2. Said the sexuality stuff was mean

Not exactly tearing it apart

Was this the celebrity slick dick lawyer who got that absolute fox Casey Anthoney off?


Yeah


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Yeah, he seems like he'd be a plastic surgeon or something if he wasn't a lawyer.


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Yer Man wrote:
Insane_Homer wrote:
Man In Black wrote:
I watched it, thought it was really good. I did think they blamed CTE for a lot of his bad behaviour when it seemed like he was a moronic wannabe gangster and a genuinely terrible person too.


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The researchers suggested that the CTE, which results in poor judgment, lack of impulse control, or aggression, anger, paranoia, emotional volatility, and rage behaviors


Sure about that?

Didn't the wannabe gangster and entitled plum type behaviour pre-date the head injuries?


Judging from the regular beatings he got from his father before he even started playing football, maybe not.

I got the impression the entitlement/God complex and Ganster badass stuff started after he went to college?


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Well I’m not a neurologist, but it seemed like a convenient excuse.


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