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Khabib will beat Ferguson. He's already won the mental battle.


What makes you say that?


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How Tony has been acting lately. You can just see it if you have watched enough of this stuff.


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Funny thing about McG is when he was fighting at 145 he was bigging up Khabib to get the 155lb belt.
You can usually find him complimenting guys as well as trash talk, it's just one is good for headlines and the other is not. There are pictures of the two of them hugging and old tweets from McG calling him the best 155er in the world about 3 years ago.

The UFC have an event in Russia in Sept, which if it was headlined by Khabib and McG it would make truck tonnes of cash. Khabib has to stay healthy until then and beat Tony Ferguson. Not exactly guaranteed. This is why McG hasn't been stripped as both Tony and Khabib have pulled out of this fight before.

If McG and Khabib do fight you'd expect it to go one of 2 ways, quick knockout by McG or a total grappling domination by Khabib.


McG is very smart picking his fights. I can't see him fighting Khabib. But he's gifted with a bomb of a left hand and exceptional reach for his height, so if it ever happened then yeah, I agree with your assessment. They're the only ways it's going to go, and I strongly suspect it would be the latter rather than the former. Khabib has also shown an unnatural ability to walk through strikes.


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How Tony has been acting lately. You can just see it if you have watched enough of this stuff.


Tony is pretty weird most of the time.
Can't wait for the fight.


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SASP wrote:
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How Tony has been acting lately. You can just see it if you have watched enough of this stuff.


Tony is pretty weird most of the time.
Can't wait for the fight.


I just looked up his experience ... Ferguson is a BJJ black belt and a NCAA wrestler. It's going to be scary, but maybe not so "spectacular". I dunno. Is he much of a striker?


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Funny thing about McG is when he was fighting at 145 he was bigging up Khabib to get the 155lb belt.
You can usually find him complimenting guys as well as trash talk, it's just one is good for headlines and the other is not. There are pictures of the two of them hugging and old tweets from McG calling him the best 155er in the world about 3 years ago.

The UFC have an event in Russia in Sept, which if it was headlined by Khabib and McG it would make truck tonnes of cash. Khabib has to stay healthy until then and beat Tony Ferguson. Not exactly guaranteed. This is why McG hasn't been stripped as both Tony and Khabib have pulled out of this fight before.

If McG and Khabib do fight you'd expect it to go one of 2 ways, quick knockout by McG or a total grappling domination by Khabib.


McG is very smart picking his fights. I can't see him fighting Khabib. But he's gifted with a bomb of a left hand and exceptional reach for his height, so if it ever happened then yeah, I agree with your assessment. They're the only ways it's going to go, and I strongly suspect it would be the latter rather than the former. Khabib has also shown an unnatural ability to walk through strikes.


People think McG is worried about losing, he's not, he's worried about not making enough money.
Think about how big a star Khabib is becoming, he's bigger now than ever, if the cash is right it'll happen. If McG's knee holds up. He injured it in the Max Holloway fight way back and Rory McDonald f**ked it up worse when they were training together. I don't think it's ever been right since. Which I also think contributed in the ramping up of his get rich, get out schtick.


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
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How Tony has been acting lately. You can just see it if you have watched enough of this stuff.


Tony is pretty weird most of the time.
Can't wait for the fight.


I just looked up his experience ... Ferguson is a BJJ black belt and a NCAA wrestler. It's going to be scary, but maybe not so "spectacular". I dunno. Is he much of a striker?


Tony is a bit of a maniac if you listen to his BJJ coach Mr Eddie "Tower 7" Bravo.
He trains in log cabin that he built himself in Big Bear.
He's a good striker, better than Khabib and like you say with a good wrestling background.
He could be the guy to beat Khabib as he doesn't get disheartened by losing a round and he adpats as the fight goes on.


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Yikes. Sounds scary. I'm pretty familiar with Eddie "Flat Earth - Look into it" Bravo and had heard about the cabin in Big Bear on JRE. I like listening to Eddie on JRE. He's insane but it's morbidly fascinating.

R.e. Conor, I think he's very savy in many ways and I know it's a big show. I was hoping (not expecting) for him to KO Floyd, remember? :) Coulda happened. :uhoh: :blush:


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This is a new martial art that could perfectly fit to some posters around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEKjfM50mM


:lol: :lol:


Slapoeira :lol: Slap kwon do :lol: Retardjitsu :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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This is a new martial art that could perfectly fit to some posters around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEKjfM50mM

That's made my day.

I had a mate at Uni who was well into his Karate and Kung-Fu and loved doing his Van Damme pose between two chairs for the ladies. Got the snot kicked out of him in a towny bar after making a fairly innocuous comment about a lady's skirt which was overheard. Apparently a bunch of locals just dragged him outside and stomped all over him.


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Boom.

And Brazilian ju jitsu for rank beginners is in the bag. I think lesson #1 was "how to be repeatedly strangled while some dude rubs his sweaty balls in your face".

Now I understand why theres so many experts on the board. "experience".

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Seriously that was goddamn brutally hard, humbling, slightly gay and a lot of fun.

And ffs ... one lesson in as a total novice and already I can see those people saying a few years of that wouldnt come in very handy in a real fight .... :lol: :lol: :lol: fück me fücking dead. It was totally brutal. Ive literally never felt so helpless and vulberable in my adult life as being in a basic day #1 triangle choke.


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julian wrote:
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julian wrote:
This is a new martial art that could perfectly fit to some posters around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEKjfM50mM


:lol: :lol:


Slapoeira :lol: Slap kwon do :lol: Retardjitsu :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Anyone see the Russian 20 v 20 fight below ? The white team got pasted and had a few chokers who threw themselves onto the ground pretty sharpish


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
Boom.

And Brazilian ju jitsu for rank beginners is in the bag. I think lesson #1 was "how to be repeatedly strangled while some dude rubs his sweaty balls in your face".

Now I understand why theres so many experts on the board. "experience".

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Seriously that was goddamn brutally hard, humbling, slightly gay and a lot of fun.

And ffs ... one lesson in as a total novice and already I can see those people saying a few years of that wouldnt come in very handy in a real fight .... :lol: :lol: :lol: fück me fücking dead. It was totally brutal. Ive literally never felt so helpless and vulberable in my adult life as being in a basic day #1 triangle choke.



Glad you enjoyed it. It's a great sport. :thumbup:


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enjoyed in retrospect. At times I was seriously questioning wtf I was doing/trying to prove.

Ive felt ptetty much the same way about rugby my entire life thougjh. Im not brave but enjoy challenging that.

The instructor reckons if you can stick it out for 3 months you'll never look back but the first 3 are killers. The entire first one is free to give incentive to stay.


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Sambo is probably good in a real fight.


Bit racist.


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
enjoyed in retrospect. At times I was seriously questioning wtf I was doing/trying to prove.

Ive felt ptetty much the same way about rugby my entire life thougjh. Im not brave but enjoy challenging that.

The instructor reckons if you can stick it out for 3 months you'll never look back but the first 3 are killers. The entire first one is free to give incentive to stay.


The early stage is just learning to survive in BJJ; you’ll find yourself celebrating getting through a 2 minute roll with a blue belt without being submitted! But once you master a few guard passes, a few submissions and start putting together a tactical game it becomes much more satisfying!

Only problem with BJJ here is that it is farking expensive (like £10 a session), so I spend more time at Judo (very similar, just with much more time spent standing and throwing).


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I've been doing Judo for only about three years but really enjoy it, I've done historical fencing for 6 which incorporates wrestling which is also a lot of fun, they're so exhausting they've helped get mu endurance up. Also the judo has been a real help with the fencing.

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earlier I posted I had done Hapkido, in fact I meant my daughter does it (unintentional Globus moment there, wasn't directly relevant to point I was trying to make so didn't correct) - she had a grading on Saturday, which she passed.


Congrats, that's great.


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Joost wrote:
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enjoyed in retrospect. At times I was seriously questioning wtf I was doing/trying to prove.

Ive felt ptetty much the same way about rugby my entire life thougjh. Im not brave but enjoy challenging that.

The instructor reckons if you can stick it out for 3 months you'll never look back but the first 3 are killers. The entire first one is free to give incentive to stay.


The early stage is just learning to survive in BJJ; you’ll find yourself celebrating getting through a 2 minute roll with a blue belt without being submitted! But once you master a few guard passes, a few submissions and start putting together a tactical game it becomes much more satisfying!

Only problem with BJJ here is that it is farking expensive (like £10 a session), so I spend more time at Judo (very similar, just with much more time spent standing and throwing).


Id love to do Judo too. Just not enough hours in a day.

BTW 10 quid doesn't sound outrageous ... whats that, 3 pints of beer?

I dunno what it is here. The first month is free and after that work will pay for it as a health benefit. Socialism has its advantageous.

Anyway nice that theres someone else. tips are welcome. ;)


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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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Sambo is probably good in a real fight.


Bit racist.


why would it be racist to say he is good?

yeah a joke I know. made me smirk dont worry. ;)


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
enjoyed in retrospect. At times I was seriously questioning wtf I was doing/trying to prove.

Ive felt ptetty much the same way about rugby my entire life thougjh. Im not brave but enjoy challenging that.

The instructor reckons if you can stick it out for 3 months you'll never look back but the first 3 are killers. The entire first one is free to give incentive to stay.


Good onya for giving it a bash, it'll be rewarding if you do stick it out for 3+ months. You'll be rubbing your own sweaty balls in other guys faces in no time at all.


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Thanks! & :lol: I guess that's the plan.


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Learning to fight in a book. :lol:


Mog loves it if everyone agrees he’s taken the correct nightschool course.

I can’t help thinking that if he’d started karate last week, instead of BJJ, he’d now be swearing blind that the best way to enter a pub fight is in the crane-kick position.


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A short revisit to yesterday's argument.

Experience ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkenYHDfpOc


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:lol: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
:lol: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.



I am/was a boxer, with a decent knowledge of karate and a few other lesser skills..
I would have added Brazil jujitsu to my skills, if I had the opportunity.

So you are not totally wrong ..


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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
A short revisit to yesterday's argument.

Experience ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkenYHDfpOc


I've seen that before, it's pretty brutal. I wondered then and I wonder now...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imi_Lichtenfeld

:shock: :?: maybe? I dunno. (edit: no, obviously not, considering Lichtenfeld died in '98 and going on the hipster top-knot, I'm guessing that's way after 98).

... p.s. who is saying that experience in combat sports doesn't help in combat sports?


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
:lol: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.


Come now. While you did say you were doing it for sport, you then went on a long process of dismissing anyone who didn’t think trying submission holds on drunken dudes wasn’t simply THE best way to get shit done.


This is better, and will get girls too

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Wilson's Toffee wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
:lol: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.



I am/was a boxer, with a decent knowledge of karate and a few other lesser skills..
I would have added Brazil jujitsu to my skills, if I had the opportunity.

So you are not totally wrong ..


It's basically exactly what I'm doing. Although after only a few months training and no possibility to ever compete, I can hardly call myself "a boxer". ;)

That's one good thing about BJJ. There is a window to compete, even after starting at 40.


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:lol: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.


Come now. While you did say you were doing it for sport, you then went on a long process of dismissing anyone who didn’t think trying submission holds on drunken dudes wasn’t simply THE best way to get shit done.


This is better, and will get girls too

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:lol: I'm not biting shanky. I haven't even had a coffee yet. Give me time to check my office emails first.


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Wax on, wax off, bitch

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Mog The Almighty wrote:
First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.


I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.


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Wax on, wax off, bitch

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What?

It's not wax on, whacks off?

Mr Miyagi isn't a sexual predator?


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Wax on, wax off, bitch

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What?

It's not wax on, whacks off?

Mr Miyagi isn't a sexual predator?


Dare you say it to his face, Mr G.I Joke


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First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.


I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.


Yeah, but can you take down drunken dudes in the street??


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Mog The Almighty wrote:
First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.


I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.


Yeah, but can you take down drunken dudes in the street??


Nope.


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Mog is the man who will fight for your honor

He’ll be the hero... you’ve been dreamin’ of.

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pelo wrote:
Mog The Almighty wrote:
First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.


I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.


How long did it take you to get to blue belt? I hear the progression is pretty slow. But I like the idea of belts. Even if it's a meaningless superficial marker, it gives you a goal and a sense of achievement. If I can get a blue belt in BJJ one day I'd be very happy with myself.


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I like the idea of belts. Even if it's a meaningless superficial marker, it gives you a goal and a sense of achievement. If I can get a blue belt in BJJ one day I'd be very happy with myself.


Forget blue, go red belt

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:26 am 
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pelo wrote:
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First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.


I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.


Yeah, but can you take down drunken dudes in the street??


Nope.

We’ll then I think you’re wasting your time. Maybe switch to karate? Or Samurai swords.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:39 am 
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Damn that's an impressive physique.

Good plan Shanky. From white to red ... in whaddya reckon? ... six months? I could maybe cut it down to 3 if I train like a boss?

This is the description of Red Belt from www.jiujitsubrotherhood.com/progression ... lt-system/:

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Red Belt

Don’t worry about the red belt. Seriously.


and this is why:

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Red belt

According to Renzo and Royler Gracie, in Brazilian jiu-jitsu the red belt is reserved "for those whose influence and fame takes them to the pinnacle of the art". It is awarded in lieu of a ninth and tenth degree black belt. If a practitioner receives his or her black belt at 19 years old, the earliest they could expect to receive a ninth degree red belt would be at the age of 67.[1] Brazilian jiu-jitsu red belt holders are often addressed within the art by the title grandmaster. The 10th degree was given only to the pioneers of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, the Gracie brothers: Carlos, Oswaldo, George, Gaston and Helio.
(wiki)

:lol:

Crazy that a practitioner could receiver a black belt at 19 considering that if you're good, it will take 12 years to get a black belt on average.


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