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SASP wrote:Sambo is probably good in a real fight.

Mog The Almighty wrote:enjoyed in retrospect. At times I was seriously questioning wtf I was doing/trying to prove.

Ive felt ptetty much the same way about rugby my entire life thougjh. Im not brave but enjoy challenging that.

The instructor reckons if you can stick it out for 3 months you'll never look back but the first 3 are killers. The entire first one is free to give incentive to stay.

backrow wrote:earlier I posted I had done Hapkido, in fact I meant my daughter does it (unintentional Globus moment there, wasn't directly relevant to point I was trying to make so didn't correct) - she had a grading on Saturday, which she passed.

Joost wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:enjoyed in retrospect. At times I was seriously questioning wtf I was doing/trying to prove.

Ive felt ptetty much the same way about rugby my entire life thougjh. Im not brave but enjoy challenging that.

The instructor reckons if you can stick it out for 3 months you'll never look back but the first 3 are killers. The entire first one is free to give incentive to stay.

The early stage is just learning to survive in BJJ; you’ll find yourself celebrating getting through a 2 minute roll with a blue belt without being submitted! But once you master a few guard passes, a few submissions and start putting together a tactical game it becomes much more satisfying!

Only problem with BJJ here is that it is farking expensive (like £10 a session), so I spend more time at Judo (very similar, just with much more time spent standing and throwing).

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

SASP wrote:Sambo is probably good in a real fight.

Bit racist.

Mog The Almighty wrote:enjoyed in retrospect. At times I was seriously questioning wtf I was doing/trying to prove.

Ive felt ptetty much the same way about rugby my entire life thougjh. Im not brave but enjoy challenging that.

The instructor reckons if you can stick it out for 3 months you'll never look back but the first 3 are killers. The entire first one is free to give incentive to stay.

Sandstorm wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

Learning to fight in a book.

Mog The Almighty wrote: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:A short revisit to yesterday's argument.

Experience ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkenYHDfpOc

Mog The Almighty wrote: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.

I am/was a boxer, with a decent knowledge of karate and a few other lesser skills..
I would have added Brazil jujitsu to my skills, if I had the opportunity.

So you are not totally wrong ..

shanky wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote: Here we go again.

FWIW you got it the wrong way round. If I thought that karate was the best way to "enter" (not my words) a pub fight, I may have done karate "nightschool" instead. You could the cause and effect back to front.

In any case, I'm not doing it to "enter" a pub fight. I'm doing it because I've quit playing rugby (at-least for now) and want to do something physical and challenging and as a bonus it might be useful one day in an anavoidable confrontation. Karate would have been exactly the same, minus the last thing, so I just went for whatever ticked the most boxes.

Come now. While you did say you were doing it for sport, you then went on a long process of dismissing anyone who didn’t think trying submission holds on drunken dudes wasn’t simply THE best way to get shit done.


This is better, and will get girls too

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

shanky wrote:Wax on, wax off, bitch

Turbogoat wrote:

shanky wrote:Wax on, wax off, bitch

What?

It's not wax on, whacks off?

Mr Miyagi isn't a sexual predator?

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

Sandstorm wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

Yeah, but can you take down drunken dudes in the street??

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

Mog The Almighty wrote:
I like the idea of belts. Even if it's a meaningless superficial marker, it gives you a goal and a sense of achievement. If I can get a blue belt in BJJ one day I'd be very happy with myself.

pelo wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

Yeah, but can you take down drunken dudes in the street??

Nope.

Red Belt

Don’t worry about the red belt. Seriously.

Red belt

According to Renzo and Royler Gracie, in Brazilian jiu-jitsu the red belt is reserved "for those whose influence and fame takes them to the pinnacle of the art". It is awarded in lieu of a ninth and tenth degree black belt. If a practitioner receives his or her black belt at 19 years old, the earliest they could expect to receive a ninth degree red belt would be at the age of 67.[1] Brazilian jiu-jitsu red belt holders are often addressed within the art by the title grandmaster. The 10th degree was given only to the pioneers of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, the Gracie brothers: Carlos, Oswaldo, George, Gaston and Helio.

Sandstorm wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

Yeah, but can you take down drunken dudes in the street??

Mog The Almighty wrote:Damn that's an impressive physique.

Good plan Shanky. From white to red ... in whaddya reckon? ... six months? I could maybe cut it down to 3 if I train like a boss?

This is the description of Red Belt from http://www.jiujitsubrotherhood.com/prog ... lt-system/:

Red Belt

Don’t worry about the red belt. Seriously.

and this is why:

Red belt

According to Renzo and Royler Gracie, in Brazilian jiu-jitsu the red belt is reserved "for those whose influence and fame takes them to the pinnacle of the art". It is awarded in lieu of a ninth and tenth degree black belt. If a practitioner receives his or her black belt at 19 years old, the earliest they could expect to receive a ninth degree red belt would be at the age of 67.[1] Brazilian jiu-jitsu red belt holders are often addressed within the art by the title grandmaster. The 10th degree was given only to the pioneers of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, the Gracie brothers: Carlos, Oswaldo, George, Gaston and Helio.

(wiki)



Crazy that a practitioner could receiver a black belt at 19 considering that if you're good, it will take 12 years to get a black belt on average.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Sandstorm wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

Yeah, but can you take down drunken dudes in the street??

Try this old fokker, to do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_S2f7QPZKc

Mog The Almighty wrote:Is this some kind of shanky troll or you really know a 19 year old who is about to get a Brazillian JJ black belt???

shanky wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Is this some kind of shanky troll or you really know a 19 year old who is about to get a Brazillian JJ black belt???

Not trolling. He hasn’t got it yet though.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

How long did it take you to get to blue belt? I hear the progression is pretty slow. But I like the idea of belts. Even if it's a meaningless superficial marker, it gives you a goal and a sense of achievement. If I can get a blue belt in BJJ one day I'd be very happy with myself.

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

How long did it take you to get to blue belt? I hear the progression is pretty slow. But I like the idea of belts. Even if it's a meaningless superficial marker, it gives you a goal and a sense of achievement. If I can get a blue belt in BJJ one day I'd be very happy with myself.

You will get a blue belt, even a black belt if you keep training. It's just a matter of how much time you spend on the mat learning, drilling and especially rolling. I got my blue belt in less than a year but i felt it was too quick. I didn't expect to be promoted and felt like refusing the belt. I didnt feel ready but I had to trust my Mestre's judgemnt. Don't focus too much on the belt and have fun, focus on tecnique rather than strenght and enjoy it. If you can do both gi and no-gi, oss!!!

Mog The Almighty wrote:

shanky wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:Is this some kind of shanky troll or you really know a 19 year old who is about to get a Brazillian JJ black belt???

Not trolling. He hasn’t got it yet though.

Very impressive.

You can't get a blue belt until you're sixteen, and the recommendations for the best students is that they spend a minimum of two years as a blue belt before being considered for a purple, a minimum of 18 months as a purple before being considered for a brown, and a minimum of 12 months as a brown before being considered for a black.

So to get a black belt at 19 you basically have to get a blue on your sixteenth birthday and then blow the minimum recommendations out of the water with natural talent and work. Which I believe has happened but it's rare as anything.

He or she must be a freak at the sport with a huge future.

Mog The Almighty wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

pelo wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:First class tonight.

Any other practitioners? Not sure what to expect as one of my huge athletic weaknesses is my flexibility (although I do work on it, it's still shit - and I am 40 years old as of a couple of days ago).

I think BJJ and Western Boxing (which I also do) is a pretty handy combination. I figure that if I keep going for a few years and add a Mauy-Thai style low-kick to the that repertoire and I'd be pretty handy in a scrap (certainly don't claim to be at the moment). In fact, I don't think there's much else I could do. Apart from the bullshit fake martial arts, they're the only three things on offer here. They do a bit of submission wrestling at the BJJ center, but the focus is definitely on ju jitsu. Pretty sure there's also a few Judo schools around, but working full time and do weights training, BJJ and boxing is going to more than fill the schedule.

I have done many sports and many contact sports. Bjj is by far the best I ever done, I am currently blue belt training 4/5 times a week gi and no gi. Not being flexible is not a big problem, learn the basic and you will be ok, you just won’t be able to do any crazy rubber guard shit.

How long did it take you to get to blue belt? I hear the progression is pretty slow. But I like the idea of belts. Even if it's a meaningless superficial marker, it gives you a goal and a sense of achievement. If I can get a blue belt in BJJ one day I'd be very happy with myself.

You will get a blue belt, even a black belt if you keep training. It's just a matter of how much time you spend on the mat learning, drilling and especially rolling. I got my blue belt in less than a year but i felt it was too quick. I didn't expect to be promoted and felt like refusing the belt. I didnt feel ready but I had to trust my Mestre's judgemnt. Don't focus too much on the belt and have fun, focus on tecnique rather than strenght and enjoy it. If you can do both gi and no-gi, oss!!!

My brother has been doing BJJ for a few years now and hasn't got his blue belt yet. I'm not sure how often he goes, but he's not unathletic or lazy.

The instructor at the place I'm going to said he only teaches gi to beginners because it's better for learning the technique. He does teach non-gi as well, but only in the more advanced classes.

Mog The Almighty wrote:
I'm guessing that was security guard in the bottom right at the end. He didn't seem eager to get involved.

The first and second hits looked like sucker punches tbh. The last duck and weave and counter was class though.

Still, decking people over an argument on concrete is a dick move.

pelo wrote: It depends how often he trains per week, I am pretty obsessed with it, most of the time i do two class per day. I do not agree that no-gi should be taught only to advanced student, I believe that training in both is very beneficial. No-gi obviousy relies less on grips and it is much faster, I prefer no-gi because there is less stalling. I was at Marcelo Garcia's academy in NYC in November and i had the pleasure to roll no-gi with Tana Umaga!