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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:47 pm 
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it makes them misogynists #metoo

Hitchcock was a misogynist. I doubt either of these two disliked women. Quite the reverse.

#nptmycaptain begs to differ. There a was tweet linked earlier where they were called misogynists. It's the wrong moment to have your whatsapp messages publicized.

I'll defer to you because I have no idea what they wrote. Just pointing out that the correct definition of misogyny is beyond simply seeing women as sex objects.


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Harrison has already been charged - he’s on trial for perverting the course of justice however the evidence for this hasn’t been covered in the trial yet.

I thought some of it had been covered in opening statements? Prosecution are alledging he messaged McIlroy and told him not to bring his phone with him to the Police Station.

This Harrison lad is starting to look like he actually has a brain. It's a pity his mates are so thick


If was actually that smart he would have done it over a phone call.


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Delete yessir whatsapp lads. First date just ended, apparently it's very incriminating.


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Anyone thinking of posting anything related to the trial should heed the following paragraph taken from a Court of Appeal decision dating back to February 2016.

43. In that regard, we ought to underline that anyone posting a comment on a publicly available website which creates a substantial risk of causing serious prejudice faces the potential prospect of proceedings for contempt of court and we anticipate that the authorities will be alert to inform the Attorney General should such circumstances arise. This does not just apply to the appellant or any other media organisations: it applies to individuals who run the risk of causing real difficulty to the smooth progress of a fair trial for these defendants.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2016/12.html


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Could you be extradited from Australia/France/Munster?


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Could you be extradited from Australia/France/Munster?

:lol: Exactly what I was wondering.


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Anyone thinking of posting anything related to the trial should heed the following paragraph taken from a Court of Appeal decision dating back to February 2016.

43. In that regard, we ought to underline that anyone posting a comment on a publicly available website which creates a substantial risk of causing serious prejudice faces the potential prospect of proceedings for contempt of court and we anticipate that the authorities will be alert to inform the Attorney General should such circumstances arise. This does not just apply to the appellant or any other media organisations: it applies to individuals who run the risk of causing real difficulty to the smooth progress of a fair trial for these defendants.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2016/12.html


The key with this is "a substantial risk of causing serious prejudice " this is more claiming to have evidence of guilt or innocence etc not the sort of bar stool/coffee shop shite that's posted here.


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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
Jumper is right. I listened to that guy on Off the Ball yesterday. IIRC he also said that Jacksons lawyer presented a selfie taken downstairs at the time she said she was leaving and in the background is the girl putting on shoes with what appears to be her purse in her hand. IIRC she almost admitted her memory of two separate events was hazy. Rightly or wrongly i think the lawyer has done a decent job for his client there



Where has this come from? I haven't seen it reported.


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Jumper is right. I listened to that guy on Off the Ball yesterday. IIRC he also said that Jacksons lawyer presented a selfie taken downstairs at the time she said she was leaving and in the background is the girl putting on shoes with what appears to be her purse in her hand. IIRC she almost admitted her memory of two separate events was hazy. Rightly or wrongly i think the lawyer has done a decent job for his client there



Where has this come from? I haven't seen it reported.


IIRC - Especially common to be used when trying to cover up a vague guess, or when you are truly befuddled and trying to recall a fact of some sort


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Mullet 2 wrote:
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Jumper is right. I listened to that guy on Off the Ball yesterday. IIRC he also said that Jacksons lawyer presented a selfie taken downstairs at the time she said she was leaving and in the background is the girl putting on shoes with what appears to be her purse in her hand. IIRC she almost admitted her memory of two separate events was hazy. Rightly or wrongly i think the lawyer has done a decent job for his client there



Where has this come from? I haven't seen it reported.


Neither have i but i'll try and find the youtube link. It was on off the ball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR7l8igBmPk

1hr 26 in Mullet. In fairness its not certain it was the bag. the lawyer was implying it was


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"keep the chin up you wonderful young woman"

:|

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/rugby-rape-trial-texts-between-alleged-victim-and-rory-harrison-heard-as-accuser-says-she-has-no-complaint-against-him-36582074.html


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By all accounts he is a very sound chap and he was pissed.

I’ll wait to hear his evidence but I could guess what she was in hysterics to him over.


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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
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Jumper is right. I listened to that guy on Off the Ball yesterday. IIRC he also said that Jacksons lawyer presented a selfie taken downstairs at the time she said she was leaving and in the background is the girl putting on shoes with what appears to be her purse in her hand. IIRC she almost admitted her memory of two separate events was hazy. Rightly or wrongly i think the lawyer has done a decent job for his client there



Where has this come from? I haven't seen it reported.


Neither have i but i'll try and find the youtube link. It was on off the ball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR7l8igBmPk

1hr 26 in Mullet. In fairness its not certain it was the bag. the lawyer was implying it was


Interesting. There are only so many times you can say “I can’t recall” or “I don’t know” when someone picks holes in a story.


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By all accounts he is a very sound chap and he was pissed.

I’ll wait to hear his evidence but I could guess what she was in hysterics to him over.

Seems he couldn't


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By all accounts he is a very sound chap and he was pissed.

I’ll wait to hear his evidence but I could guess what she was in hysterics to him over.

Seems he couldn't


It seems she texted Harrison the day after, saying it was non-consensual.

The judge and jury are visiting Jackson's house today.


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It's a cunning attempt at the shoulder to cry on ride.

i'll give him that.


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It's a cunning attempt at the shoulder to cry on ride.

i'll give him that.

There should be a charge against that. Shocking attempt.


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You have to hand it to men.

He was still trying to hit that


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I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/


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If Jackson is innocent, his accuser should face a longgggg time behind bars.


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I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


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JoeMangled wrote:
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I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


Yep. The comments in the WhatsApp are too damaging


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JoeMangled wrote:
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I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?

I would hope they could, both would add hugely to Ulster while both could have roles to play with Ireland.

However, they've been found guilty by the court of public opinion already so the likelihood of it happening is near zero.


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How do charges work in Ireland? Can a lesser charge be applied - e.g. sexual assault for the fingering - if it was found to be without consent?

Or is that a new trial as a new charge?

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She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?


https://twitter.com/FrankGreaney/status ... 6221154307

#FingerThrusting


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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
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I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


Yep. The comments in the WhatsApp are too damaging

They really aren't.


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DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
JoeMangled wrote:
Flametop wrote:
I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


Yep. The comments in the WhatsApp are too damaging

They really aren't.

I tend to agree. They were private messages of shitetalk between a bunch of hungover spas. Assuming they didn't actually gang rape someone and thought everything was consensual.

Anyway, getting ahead of myself. Wait and see.


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If Jackson is innocent, his accuser should face a longgggg time behind bars.


Why?


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earl the beaver wrote:
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
JoeMangled wrote:
Flametop wrote:
I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


Yep. The comments in the WhatsApp are too damaging

They really aren't.


They really are. It would benefit Ulster massively i agree and i also understand that the same or similar comments would be found on a lot of players phones but we are too far gone on this one. Short of the girl breaking down and confessing she made everything up i just dont see it.


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earl the beaver wrote:
DiscoHips D'Arcy wrote:
JoeMangled wrote:
Flametop wrote:
I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


Yep. The comments in the WhatsApp are too damaging

They really aren't.

you would read them about your sister/daughter and think "that's cool" would you? because that's the tack the prosecution will take with them


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I don’t think this should have made court.

The initial prosecution statement I felt was weak, away from the moral indignation about a bunch of men behaving like lads, it was quite poor.


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JoeMangled wrote:
Flametop wrote:
I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


It still doesn’t make sense though, there’s a reporter on twitter live tweeting from the case i’ve been following

Someone has said Olding wasn’t in the room
Jackson said he never penetrated the woman
The witness who walked in said Olding was in the room and that Jackson was penetrating her

There is a lot of loopholes in both sides of the story that need ironed out


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JoeMangled wrote:
Flametop wrote:
I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


It still doesn’t make sense though, there’s a reporter on twitter live tweeting from the case i’ve been following

Someone has said Olding wasn’t in the room
Jackson said he never penetrated the woman
The witness who walked in said Olding was in the room and that Jackson was penetrating her

There is a lot of loopholes in both sides of the story that need ironed out

her message is consistent if short on detail, the two guys and their "star" witness directly contradict each other, it depends on who the Jury believe


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Olding, per McIlroy’s version, wasn’t in the room when he went in. I have not read it been said that Olding wasn’t there when the other woman walked in.


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They really are. It would benefit Ulster massively i agree and i also understand that the same or similar comments would be found on a lot of players phones but we are too far gone on this one. Short of the girl breaking down and confessing she made everything up i just dont see it.


I think there’s too much of a family atmosphere around Ulster to let them back in, if they are guilty. Plus you need to factor in if the IRFU want to keep them around, how sponsers feel having them promote their brand as well as if they themselves even want to stick around. The best thing for them would be, if innocent, to cut ties and go get a nice paycheck in England or France


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JoeMangled wrote:
Flametop wrote:
I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/

That's a fairly positive report for the two lads.

She is saying Jackson raped her at least twice. He is saying he only fingered her. That's a stark difference, can either be proved?

Am I the only one thinking that they could be back playing rugby in Ireland *if* they are completely exonerated?


It still doesn’t make sense though, there’s a reporter on twitter live tweeting from the case i’ve been following

Someone has said Olding wasn’t in the room
Jackson said he never penetrated the woman
The witness who walked in said Olding was in the room and that Jackson was penetrating her

There is a lot of loopholes in both sides of the story that need ironed out

her message is consistent if short on detail, the two guys and their "star" witness directly contradict each other, it depends on who the Jury believe


It’s short on detail and there seems to have been details added in throughout the case. The fact another two girls were outside the room when it happened and didn’t seem to be concerned is quite telling


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I don’t think this should have made court.

The initial prosecution statement I felt was weak, away from the moral indignation about a bunch of men behaving like lads, it was quite poor.


I would say the opposite. Not a strong case, but there is rarely a "smoking gun" in these situations. The early disclosure and evidence of a victims distress are often enough to take to trial to test the credibility of both sides under cross examination. The content of the Whatsapp messages would also be seen as a good reflection of the defendants attitutde towards the incident. The fact that the players versions appear very much at odds is also very strange.

She appears ot have been very consistent in her version of events where they appear all over the shop. Never a good place to be.


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They really are. It would benefit Ulster massively i agree and i also understand that the same or similar comments would be found on a lot of players phones but we are too far gone on this one. Short of the girl breaking down and confessing she made everything up i just dont see it.


I think there’s too much of a family atmosphere around Ulster to let them back in, if they are guilty. Plus you need to factor in if the IRFU want to keep them around, how sponsers feel having them promote their brand as well as if they themselves even want to stick around. The best thing for them would be, if innocent, to cut ties and go get a nice paycheck in England or France

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I think this testimony is going to be the key one, I’m guessing in favour of the defendants.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jackson-olding ... 6-Feb2018/


I would say the exact opposite surely?

Jackson has denied riding her and the witness saw him.

They’re toast.


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