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According to a pro-Israel organisation that has just taken out a full page advert in the Washington Post saying as much.

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I'd say this bint's rating has just gone up a few notches. Well done, NZ :thumbup:


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It was a lose-lose situation.


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It seems barely conceivable that Rabbi Schmuley Boteach would have an agenda.


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Oh no time to delete her from iTunes. Clearly a rabid antisemite rather than just a performer getting caught between competing waves of outrage


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She really shouldn't have backed down to the first group and she should just give the finger to this lot.


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"21 is young to be a bigot" but not too young to attack for political gain?


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It was a lose-lose situation.


Not really. Nick Cave just told the anti-Israel lot to get f**ked. Didn't do him any great harm.

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Nick Cave says he will 'make a stand' against artists boycotting Israel

Nick Cave, the dark poet of rock, is taking a "principled stand" against activists working to ostracise the Jewish state and credited the boycotters on Sunday with his decision to act against those trying to "bully" and "silence" musicians and go ahead with his shows here.

The Australian artist whose music can be both melancholic and uplifting simultaneously is well loved in Israel and both shows were almost sold out.

At a press conference, Cave spoke about the logistical challenges of playing Israel then said musicians also endure pressure from an international movement known as BDS that seeks to ostracize Israel by lobbying corporations, artists and academic institutions to sever ties with the Jewish state.

He said record producer Brian Eno had asked him three years ago to sign a boycott list. "On a very intuitive level I did not want to sign that list, there was something that stunk to me about that list," Cave said.

"And then it kind of occurred to me that I'm not signing the list but I'm also not playing Israel and that just felt to me cowardly really."

Cave said "it suddenly became very important to make a stand against those people that are trying to shut down musicians, to bully musicians to censor musicians and to silence musicians."

He said after much thought and consideration he decided to play Israel on his tour this year.

"So at the end of the day there are two reasons why I am here. One is that I love Israel and I love Israeli people and two is to make a principled stand against anyone who wants to censor and silence musicians," Cave said.

"So really you could say in a way that the BDS made me play Israel," he said.

The boycott movement, also called the BDS movement, advocates boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel in what its supporters say is a nonviolent way to promote the Palestinian cause.

It has urged businesses, artists and universities to sever ties with Israel and includes thousands of volunteers around the world.

Israel says the campaign goes beyond fighting its occupation of territory Palestinians claim for a state and often masks a more far-reaching aim to delegitimise or destroy the Jewish state.

Some BDS critics accuse the movement of anti-Semitism because it singles out Israel for boycott while overlooking the Palestinian part in the conflict and ignoring other disputes around the world.

For fans Nick Cave is rock royalty with decades of influential albums.

BDS has enlisted the support of Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters and has persuaded some performers like Elvis Costello and Lauren Hill against playing.

A long list of artists including Metallica, Madonna, Elton John, Rihanna, Ozzy Osbourne and others ignore the pressure and continue to perform in Israel.


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I'm a massive fan of Nick Cave, but this

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strikes me as an example of the emotive rhetoric regularly used to support the Israeli cause. Who is shutting down, censoring or silencing? All of those artists who have played in Israel are still free to perform elsewhere. None of them have suffered career threatening reactions.

He's talking through a hole in his head.


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Good for Nick Cave. :thumbup:


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guy smiley wrote:
I'm a massive fan of Nick Cave, but this

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Cave said "it suddenly became very important to make a stand against those people that are trying to shut down musicians, to bully musicians to censor musicians and to silence musicians."


strikes me as an example of the emotive rhetoric regularly used to support the Israeli cause. Who is shutting down, censoring or silencing? All of those artists who have played in Israel are still free to perform elsewhere. None of them have suffered career threatening reactions.

He's talking through a hole in his head.

Yup.

And not paying any price whatsoever for this "principled stand". It's quite hollow.


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"New Zealand opted to deploy its diplomatic muscle..."

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What was that about Mossad agents trying to obtain NZ passports?


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This is serious, we all remember the 2016 war with Israel.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11773841

It was our greatest victory since the World Cup.


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This is serious, we all remember the 2016 war with Israel.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11773841

It was our greatest victory since the World Cup.


:lol: I wish we could just fence off the entire middle east, including those clowns in Israel.


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Interesting bit at the bottom of the poster.

"Support Our Campaign to Defend Israel and Promote Human Rights"


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ing_Israel

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The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by United Nations Human Rights Council. Since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council, not counting those under Agenda Item 10 (countries requiring technical assistance).[1] From 1967 to 1989 the UN Security Council adopted 131 resolutions directly addressing the Arab–Israeli conflict. In early Security Council practice, resolutions did not directly invoke Chapter VII. They made an explicit determination of a threat, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, and ordered an action in accordance with Article 39 or 40. Resolution 54 determined that a threat to peace existed within the meaning of Article 39 of the Charter, reiterated the need for a truce, and ordered a cease-fire pursuant to Article 40 of the Charter. Although the phrase "Acting under Chapter VII" was never mentioned as the basis for the action taken, the chapter's authority was being used.[2]


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The passport thieves doth protest too much, methinks.


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He's talking through a hole in his head.


Haven't heard that one. Is it on Spotify?


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He's talking through a hole in his head.


Haven't heard that one. Is it on Spotify?

:lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MajmI5j7Bs


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Good for Nick Cave. :thumbup:


Yeah Radiohead told them to fudge off too. Thom York's position was that musicians should be able to make their own moral judgements about things rather than having to accept the morality of the mob. That seems like the adult view. The mob requires people to accept their moral judgement or be evil.

The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?


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Thom York's position was that musicians should be able to make their own moral judgements about things rather than having to accept the morality of the mob.

I didn't know they had to.


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Good for Nick Cave. :thumbup:


Yeah Radiohead told them to fudge off too. Thom York's position was that musicians should be able to make their own moral judgements about things rather than having to accept the morality of the mob. That seems like the adult view. The mob requires people to accept their moral judgement or be evil.

The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?


Exactly. Tell them to get f**ked and just play the Israel gig. After all Lordes Israeli fan base haven't anything wrong. Why should they be punished?


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Good for Nick Cave. :thumbup:


Yeah Radiohead told them to fudge off too. Thom York's position was that musicians should be able to make their own moral judgements about things rather than having to accept the morality of the mob. That seems like the adult view. The mob requires people to accept their moral judgement or be evil.

The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?


They aren't, Russia doesn't seem to be a target for these social media bullies though. Does playing in the US mean your support T rump and the yanks foreign policy?


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Exactly. Tell them to get f**ked and just play the Israel gig. After all Lordes Israeli fan base haven't anything wrong. Why should they be punished?

I think the reasoning is the same as that for flour bombs at Eden Park. YMMV.


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They aren't, Russia doesn't seem to be a target for these social media bullies though. Does playing in the US mean your support T rump and the yanks foreign policy?

I thought that sort of situation was why The Dixie Chicks went to Europe.


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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism and plenty who known it's there but refuse to acknowledge it, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.

It also amuses me that no-one significantly decided to boycott the USA when they invaded Iraq under Bush which is still one of the worst actions of this century.


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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


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eldanielfire wrote:
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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


You mistake my point. I agree with you. Which is why I pointing out how selective and inconsistent these these campaigns are and how dubious the real motivations are.


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guy smiley wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


What a load of rubbish. What actions are governments indulging in in relation to Israel other than voting against them at the UN? Lorde is applying selective morality here based on internet outrage.

Nobody is excusing Israel's actions because of what Russia is doing. Not one person. The point, the blindingly obvious point, is that Israel and Russia are doing dodgy things (and Russia arguably worse in the grand scheme of things) but Lorde only sees fit to boycott one. And that is because all of the outrage is directed at one.


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strikes me as an example of the emotive rhetoric regularly used to support the Israeli cause. Who is shutting down, censoring or silencing? All of those artists who have played in Israel are still free to perform elsewhere. None of them have suffered career threatening reactions.

He's talking through a hole in his head.

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guy smiley wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


It's ridiculous to excuse the actions of one, because another is as bad, or worse, but it's perhaps legitimate to ask why so many people seem to want to take a much larger stand over one than the other (be it the BDS or not performing shows). Personally I don't think much of it is anti-semitism for most participants, but I do think it is driven onwards by anti-semitic groups. Much like I suspect most flat earthers aren't rabid christians, but I do think it's driven on by such groups.


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guy smiley wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


What a load of rubbish. What actions are governments indulging in in relation to Israel other than voting against them at the UN? Lorde is applying selective morality here based on internet outrage.

Nobody is excusing Israel's actions because of what Russia is doing. Not one person. The point, the blindingly obvious point, is that Israel and Russia are doing dodgy things (and Russia arguably worse in the grand scheme of things) but Lorde only sees fit to boycott one. And that is because all of the outrage is directed at one.

For your first paragraph, the US just did a fairly big action by recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

Second paragraph, we dont really know Lordes motivs. She has elected to support the Palestinian cause and cancel an event. She may not feel as strongly on the Russian issue. Who are we to decide what is a bigger issue for her?


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It's an odd, frequently used tactic to make unfortunately.

Country A is upset because they get called out for being an asshole, but they aren't denying it, merely pointing out that Country B does bad stuff too. Shocking whataboutery. Nothing can be said about Country A until all the rest of the world's problems have been solved now?

Country A is an asshole, but look, that popstar is being inconsistent! Yeah, inconsistency isn't a wonderful thing, but it's not quite as bad as what Country A has apparently been doing for generations.


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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


It's ridiculous to excuse the actions of one, because another is as bad, or worse, but it's perhaps legitimate to ask why so many people seem to want to take a much larger stand over one than the other (be it the BDS or not performing shows). Personally I don't think much of it is anti-semitism for most participants, but I do think it is driven onwards by anti-semitic groups. Much like I suspect most flat earthers aren't rabid christians, but I do think it's driven on by such groups.

I think it a very long bow to stribg to conflate criticism of Israels treatment of the Palestinian people, and a boycott because of it, with any sort o antisemitism. In fact, doing so weakens orher legitimate arguments. And I thin that is exactly what this group have done here and they need to be called out for it.


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The bloke has a point about Israel and Russia too. Why is Israel worse then Russia?



As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


What a load of rubbish. What actions are governments indulging in in relation to Israel other than voting against them at the UN? Lorde is applying selective morality here based on internet outrage.

Nobody is excusing Israel's actions because of what Russia is doing. Not one person. The point, the blindingly obvious point, is that Israel and Russia are doing dodgy things (and Russia arguably worse in the grand scheme of things) but Lorde only sees fit to boycott one. And that is because all of the outrage is directed at one.

For your first paragraph, the US just did a fairly big action by recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

Second paragraph, we dont really know Lordes motivs. She has elected to support the Palestinian cause and cancel an event. She may not feel as strongly on the Russian issue. Who are we to decide what is a bigger issue for her?


Guy Smiley said "Western governments". Most of them voted against the US move.

And yeah, maybe she'll be convinced to change her mind about Russia after an internet pile on about the evils of Russia and the creation of a group specifically to boycott Russia. I won't hold my breath though. You go right ahead.


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strikes me as an example of the emotive rhetoric regularly used to support the Israeli cause. Who is shutting down, censoring or silencing? All of those artists who have played in Israel are still free to perform elsewhere. None of them have suffered career threatening reactions.

He's talking through a hole in his head.


His mouth? How odd.

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The censorship is not playing in Israel.


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Are any of the other "bad" countries activity supported and touted as the good guys by anyone other than an extreme end of the bell curve? That might be one clue as to why they get, or at least are perceived to get, different treatment.

That and the fact that relatively short term "one off" events, while generating outrage and frustration, won't be seen in the same light as an issue that has been ongoing for over 60 years.

Still, playing the other are bad as well card is a brave move. They're basically admitting that they deserve to to considered in the same light as Assad and Russia.

And pulling out the anti-Semite card is the real display of bigotry here.


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As the Labour party have shown, you get away from the public anti-Israel publicity and away from the public that some of the people on the ground are clearly motivated by outright anti-semitism, which in some lefty leaning groups seems to be an acceptable form of bigotry.



Don't be silly. Israel and Russia can't be equated like this. Public sentiment regarding Russia is strong but western governments aren't indulging in actions regarding the country that stir up public sentiment in the same way they are with Israel.

It's a ridiculous and stupid argument to try and excuse the actions of one country by saying another is just as bad.


What a load of rubbish. What actions are governments indulging in in relation to Israel other than voting against them at the UN? Lorde is applying selective morality here based on internet outrage.

Nobody is excusing Israel's actions because of what Russia is doing. Not one person. The point, the blindingly obvious point, is that Israel and Russia are doing dodgy things (and Russia arguably worse in the grand scheme of things) but Lorde only sees fit to boycott one. And that is because all of the outrage is directed at one.

For your first paragraph, the US just did a fairly big action by recognising Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

Second paragraph, we dont really know Lordes motivs. She has elected to support the Palestinian cause and cancel an event. She may not feel as strongly on the Russian issue. Who are we to decide what is a bigger issue for her?


Guy Smiley said "Western governments". Most of them voted against the US move.

And yeah, maybe she'll be convinced to change her mind after an internet pile on about the evils of Russia and the creation of a group specifically to boycott Russia. I won't hold my breath though. You go right ahead.

What hemisphere is the US in? The decision to recognise Jerusalem was a massive one politically. Tere is ongoing fallout from that.

As for the second point, you are very big on not making assumptions on why people do things usually, except here. Why is that? We dont know Lordes motives other than she has been convinved that boycotting her Tel Aviv show is the right thing to do. Who are we to state what her priorities are?


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 Post subject: Re: Lorde is a bigot
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Farva wrote:
Raggs wrote:
It's ridiculous to excuse the actions of one, because another is as bad, or worse, but it's perhaps legitimate to ask why so many people seem to want to take a much larger stand over one than the other (be it the BDS or not performing shows). Personally I don't think much of it is anti-semitism for most participants, but I do think it is driven onwards by anti-semitic groups. Much like I suspect most flat earthers aren't rabid christians, but I do think it's driven on by such groups.


I think it a very long bow to stribg to conflate criticism of Israels treatment of the Palestinian people, and a boycott because of it, with any sort o antisemitism. In fact, doing so weakens orher legitimate arguments. And I thin that is exactly what this group have done here and they need to be called out for it.


Well done for apparently not reading my post. I agree that for most people it has nothing to do with anti-semitism, but why is the Israeli cause so much more publicized than seemingly any other?

I've got a pretty good friend, who puts up regular newspaper/blog/articles about Israel and the terrible things they are doing (some are seemingly fairly routine all over the world, and only terrible if viewed through a rather new world order sort of viewpoint). I'd certainly not suggest he's anti-semitic in the slightest. I've not seen him post a single thing on Russia in Syria, nothing about the hospitals being bombed, nothing on Amenesty saying ""Russia is guilty of some the most egregious war crimes" it had seen "in decades"" etc etc.

It's seemingly true pretty much everywhere, that Israel is always the bigger news story, whether it's due to Israels crimes, or people being anti-semitic being somehow more serious than any other sort of racism


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