Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:37 pm
Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.
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lol hes just your regular Aussie.Sissyfuss wrote:Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.
If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.
Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit, but I do wonder if it sets things up for a titanic physical clash in the first half draining the Welsh opposition for the impact finishers to come on and take the game away from them as they tire in the second half.ovalball wrote:They were hardly 'distasteful' comments. A bit 'pratish' maybe.MaccTaff wrote:Eddie’s comments about Patchell aren’t getting any more tasteful after a second examination.
Not sure the Welsh really need winding up for an encounter with England - but Eddie just likes to make absolutely sure.
I thought the Welsh pack was only around a stone heavier than England’s?Double wrote:Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
I think that is the most likely scenario too.Rugby2023 wrote:Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit, but I do wonder if it sets things up for a titanic physical clash in the first half draining the Welsh opposition for the impact finishers to come on and take the game away from them as they tire in the second half.ovalball wrote:They were hardly 'distasteful' comments. A bit 'pratish' maybe.MaccTaff wrote:Eddie’s comments about Patchell aren’t getting any more tasteful after a second examination.
Not sure the Welsh really need winding up for an encounter with England - but Eddie just likes to make absolutely sure.
ExcellentDai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
It's possible they only look heavy because they're slow. Still, the English mobile ball-handling pack advantage nullified.MaccTaff wrote:I thought the Welsh pack was only around a stone heavier than England’s?Double wrote:Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.
We all know the Welsh love Kaplan. He ignores their cheating.MaccTaff wrote:ExcellentDai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
I was thinking England would win by around 11/12 points. I thought it would be pretty tight until towards the end where England get that final score to just put them out of reach of Wales.100MileDad wrote:This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:
Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you
I don't agree, we won't be able to stop all of their line breaks and they certainly won't be gifting us any points Ala Ecosse.bessantj wrote:I was thinking England would win by around 11/12 points. I thought it would be pretty tight until towards the end where England get that final score to just put them out of reach of Wales.100MileDad wrote:This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:
Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you
Good Lord this is a bad gimmickSissyfuss wrote:Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.
If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.
Interesting that you haven't posted a link, DaiDai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Case closed. Independent Top-Level Independent referee confirms that AWJ is a consummate gent to deal with and that Eddie is a hypocritical plum who needs to wind his neck in.MaccTaff wrote:ExcellentDai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Bet old patchy alopecia head wasn’t expecting that!MaccTaff wrote:ExcellentDai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Not fit enough yet. 1 game for your boys and he'll be back after the inevitable 'drop half the team' talk after we get beat comfortablyPlastic Sarrie wrote:I thought that (a) he was out for the whole 6N and (b) if he was fit he'd be playing for Wales.cubby boi wrote:So tell us what the Is for then?Plastic Sarrie wrote:Liam Williams starting for Sarries
Here you go, Keith. From the Daily Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/ ... ong-worst/Keith wrote:Interesting that you haven't posted a link, DaiDai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
I’m disappointed he wasn’t brought straight in for HP if he’s fully fit. It would have been the bold and confident call.Frodder wrote:Not fit enough yet. 1 game for your boys and he'll be back after the inevitable 'drop half the team' talk after we get beat comfortablyPlastic Sarrie wrote:I thought that (a) he was out for the whole 6N and (b) if he was fit he'd be playing for Wales.cubby boi wrote:So tell us what the Is for then?Plastic Sarrie wrote:Liam Williams starting for Sarries
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
This place is an absolute abortion, mindThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
I was more thinking of the pages of tedious shitfighting over press statements by the coaches and people quoting half a page of someone else's half page newspaper extract.Frodder wrote:No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
Clapton’s tears in Heaven would have been a more appropriate quotation to end that post with.The Man Without Fear wrote:I was more thinking of the pages of tedious shitfighting over press statements by the coaches and people quoting half a page of someone else's half page newspaper extract.Frodder wrote:No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
Roll on the game. Let us to it pell-mell. If not to Heaven, then hand in hand to Hell.
Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.Frodder wrote:No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
I hope Kaplan's new leather jacket keeps him nice and warm.Saturnine wrote:Case closed. Independent Top-Level Independent referee confirms that AWJ is a consummate gent to deal with and that Eddie is a hypocritical plum who needs to wind his neck in.MaccTaff wrote:ExcellentDai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.
I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.
As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.
That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.
World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.
Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.
However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.
When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.
I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.
O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.
I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Doesn't get more conclusive than that.
I said before the tournament began that Wales would be very pleased with a return of 2 wins in this year's tournament.c69 wrote:This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.Rugby2023 wrote:Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.Frodder wrote:No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
Gatland has been in charge for ten years. Anyone would think a new coaching staff had just been appointed.c69 wrote:This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.Rugby2023 wrote:Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.Frodder wrote:No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
So if you win you will be disappointed? That's logic is that, see.Dai another day wrote:I said before the tournament began that Wales would be very pleased with a return of 2 wins in this year's tournament.c69 wrote:This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.Rugby2023 wrote:Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.Frodder wrote:No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
With the victory over the Scots, it looks like we will surpass that with bankers over Italy and France.
It means against Englañd and Ireland, Wales can just go out and play. Whatever happens happens. There is no expectation. We expect to lose.
A Lion = AWJ (3 separate tours)croyals wrote:
Said the Welsh rugby player to the animal right activist.croyals wrote:
Come on now, you must at least try for the sake of coal, water, steel, houses, rape, control, and punishementDai another day wrote:I said before the tournament began that Wales would be very pleased with a return of 2 wins in this year's tournament.c69 wrote:This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.Rugby2023 wrote:Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.Frodder wrote:No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advanceThe Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
With the victory over the Scots, it looks like we will surpass that with bankers over Italy and France.
It means against Englañd and Ireland, Wales can just go out and play. Whatever happens happens. There is no expectation. We expect to lose.
cubby boi wrote:Bet you England won’t close the roof as they’re petrified of our running game.Mahoney wrote:Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.
We know our place, hopefully you'll take it easy on us sircroyals wrote:
If onlyFrodder wrote:We know our place, hopefully you'll take it easy on us sircroyals wrote:
I think (hope) cb was taking the pissGWO2 wrote:cubby boi wrote:Bet you England won’t close the roof as they’re petrified of our running game.Mahoney wrote:Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.
What roof?
You think our players are better than yours?Yeah it's been stale for years. However a leopard can apparently change its spots. This change has been forced by injuries and the Scarlets success. England are too settled to strong and just too Saes.
England by 15