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Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:37 pm
by Double
Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:37 pm
by Rugby2023
Sissyfuss wrote:Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.
lol hes just your regular Aussie.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:40 pm
by Rugby2023
ovalball wrote:
MaccTaff wrote:Eddie’s comments about Patchell aren’t getting any more tasteful after a second examination.
They were hardly 'distasteful' comments. A bit 'pratish' maybe.

Not sure the Welsh really need winding up for an encounter with England - but Eddie just likes to make absolutely sure.
Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit, but I do wonder if it sets things up for a titanic physical clash in the first half draining the Welsh opposition for the impact finishers to come on and take the game away from them as they tire in the second half.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:41 pm
by MaccTaff
Double wrote:Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.
I thought the Welsh pack was only around a stone heavier than England’s?

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:43 pm
by Dai another day
All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:45 pm
by MaccTaff
Rugby2023 wrote:
ovalball wrote:
MaccTaff wrote:Eddie’s comments about Patchell aren’t getting any more tasteful after a second examination.
They were hardly 'distasteful' comments. A bit 'pratish' maybe.

Not sure the Welsh really need winding up for an encounter with England - but Eddie just likes to make absolutely sure.
Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit, but I do wonder if it sets things up for a titanic physical clash in the first half draining the Welsh opposition for the impact finishers to come on and take the game away from them as they tire in the second half.
I think that is the most likely scenario too.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:47 pm
by MaccTaff
Dai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Excellent :thumbup:

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:48 pm
by Double
MaccTaff wrote:
Double wrote:Rain definitely plays into to the hands of the heavy Welsh pack and backline. Makes things trickier for England.
I thought the Welsh pack was only around a stone heavier than England’s?
It's possible they only look heavy because they're slow. Still, the English mobile ball-handling pack advantage nullified.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:50 pm
by 100MileDad
This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:

Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:51 pm
by Mick Mannock
MaccTaff wrote:
Dai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Excellent :thumbup:
We all know the Welsh love Kaplan. He ignores their cheating.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:52 pm
by bessantj
100MileDad wrote:This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:

Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you
I was thinking England would win by around 11/12 points. I thought it would be pretty tight until towards the end where England get that final score to just put them out of reach of Wales.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:54 pm
by 100MileDad
bessantj wrote:
100MileDad wrote:This is how I see/bet tomorrow's match:

Medium scoring game for 65 minutes, England lead by two scores, say 9 points, England then go on and score another try towards the end. The bookies have this @ -11 England, I make it -16/17 England. Pretty easy money to be honest with you
I was thinking England would win by around 11/12 points. I thought it would be pretty tight until towards the end where England get that final score to just put them out of reach of Wales.
I don't agree, we won't be able to stop all of their line breaks and they certainly won't be gifting us any points Ala Ecosse.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:00 pm
by JM2K6
Sissyfuss wrote:Edward Jones should take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

If this man is let anywhere near the Lions job I will be absolutely seething. He is a boorish oik he has no understanding of rugger ethos.
Good Lord this is a bad gimmick

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:02 pm
by Keith
Dai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Interesting that you haven't posted a link, Dai

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:10 pm
by Saturnine
MaccTaff wrote:
Dai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Excellent :thumbup:
Case closed. Independent Top-Level Independent referee confirms that AWJ is a consummate gent to deal with and that Eddie is a hypocritical plum who needs to wind his neck in.

Doesn't get more conclusive than that.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:13 pm
by cubby boi
MaccTaff wrote:
Dai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Excellent :thumbup:
:lol: Bet old patchy alopecia head wasn’t expecting that!

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:13 pm
by Frodder
Plastic Sarrie wrote:
cubby boi wrote:
Plastic Sarrie wrote:Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?
So tell us what the :? Is for then?
I thought that (a) he was out for the whole 6N and (b) if he was fit he'd be playing for Wales.
Not fit enough yet. 1 game for your boys and he'll be back after the inevitable 'drop half the team' talk after we get beat comfortably

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:14 pm
by Saturnine
Keith wrote:
Dai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Interesting that you haven't posted a link, Dai
Here you go, Keith. From the Daily Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/ ... ong-worst/

You're welcome.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:16 pm
by cubby boi
Frodder wrote:
Plastic Sarrie wrote:
cubby boi wrote:
Plastic Sarrie wrote:Liam Williams starting for Sarries :?
So tell us what the :? Is for then?
I thought that (a) he was out for the whole 6N and (b) if he was fit he'd be playing for Wales.
Not fit enough yet. 1 game for your boys and he'll be back after the inevitable 'drop half the team' talk after we get beat comfortably
I’m disappointed he wasn’t brought straight in for HP if he’s fully fit. It would have been the bold and confident call.

I fear that HP getting on the end of a couple of sitters is going to see him stinking up the 15 shirt for a while longer now.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:21 pm
by The Man Without Fear
I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:23 pm
by Frodder
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:26 pm
by JM2K6
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
This place is an absolute abortion, mind

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:27 pm
by jdogscoop
Huge game. I'm recording it overnight to watch over breakfast on Sunday and I hope no bugger divulges the score.

I hope Wales win. I doubt they will though.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:29 pm
by The Man Without Fear
Frodder wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance
I was more thinking of the pages of tedious shitfighting over press statements by the coaches and people quoting half a page of someone else's half page newspaper extract.

Roll on the game. Let us to it pell-mell. If not to Heaven, then hand in hand to Hell.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:39 pm
by cubby boi
The Man Without Fear wrote:
Frodder wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance
I was more thinking of the pages of tedious shitfighting over press statements by the coaches and people quoting half a page of someone else's half page newspaper extract.

Roll on the game. Let us to it pell-mell. If not to Heaven, then hand in hand to Hell.
Clapton’s tears in Heaven would have been a more appropriate quotation to end that post with.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:43 pm
by Rugby2023
Frodder wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance
Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:47 pm
by NickC
Saturnine wrote:
MaccTaff wrote:
Dai another day wrote:All round top guy and one of the great referees, Jonathan Kaplan, takes a dislike to the comments made by Eddie Jones.
"I completely disagree with Eddie Jones in his accusation that Alun Wyn Jones “intimidated” referee Pascal Gauzere during Saturday’s game with Scotland.

I find Jones’s argument to be one-eyed at best, and plain wrong at worst. To my mind there is very little in that incident, and I am extremely surprised the England head coach has said what he has.

As a referee you are always keen to encourage dialogue with players, particularly the leaders of a team at international level. Alun Wyn was the Wales captain on Saturday and, as such, Pascal would have been speaking to him on a regular basis.

That means that if Scotland scored a try and Alun Wyn believes it merits another look from the officials then he can try to make that point – as long as he does so in a respectful fashion.

World Rugby would like their referees to be in sole control of this process but, if we are approached by a captain in the correct manner in the immediate aftermath of an incident, then we will often listen to them as it is in everyone’s benefit to get the big decisions right.

Looking at the conversation Alun Wyn had with Pascal I see absolutely no sign of disrespect, although when he stands in the way of the kicker that is probably a bit of gamesmanship as he tries to make his point – he clearly knows the try cannot be reviewed if the conversion has been taken.

However, once Pascal has made it clear the try is good, Alun Wyn walks away immediately.

When looking at this incident it is important to bear in mind that a lot has been made recently of the fact players need to show officials more respect, and I agree with World Rugby that we have a culture that needs to be maintained. While doing so it is also important that we don’t over-sanitise the lines of communication and refuse to allow leaders to express themselves.

I do wonder why Eddie never mentioned anything on this topic when Owen Farrell repeatedly questioned referee Ben O’Keefe during England’s win over Australia in November.

O’Keefe reviewed and eventually disallowed an Australian try after Farrell’s constant intervention and, if anything, that incident was arguably worse than what Jones is accusing the Welsh captain of – even if the right decision was reached in the end.

I myself have refereed Alun Wyn a number of times and did not have a single issue with him as a leader of his group. He may have disagreed with me on occasion but I had absolutely no problem with that as long as it did not tip over into disrespect or abuse. This incident was neither disrespectful or abusive, and I doubt very much it was intimidating for Pascal – and I would advise the England coach to look closer to home before pointing fingers at others"
Excellent :thumbup:
Case closed. Independent Top-Level Independent referee confirms that AWJ is a consummate gent to deal with and that Eddie is a hypocritical plum who needs to wind his neck in.

Doesn't get more conclusive than that.
I hope Kaplan's new leather jacket keeps him nice and warm.

In fairness it does show that the Welsh have good connections, getting refs to write on their behalf.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:54 pm
by croyals
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Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:00 pm
by Mick Mannock
England: Brown; Watson, Joseph, Farrell, May; Ford, Care; M Vunipola, Hartley (capt), Cole, Launchbury, Itoje, Lawes, Robshaw, Simmonds.

Replacements: George, Hepburn, H Williams, Kruis, Underhill, Wigglesworth, Te'o, Nowell.

Wales: Halfpenny; Adams, S Williams, Parkes, Evans; Patchell, G Davies; Evans, Owens, Lee, Hill, AW Jones (capt), A Shingler, Navidi, Moriarty.

Replacements: Dee, W Jones, Francis, B Davies, Tipuric, A Davies, Anscombe, North.

Anyone fancy doing a head to head?

Let's see if all these Welsh doom-sayers can bring themselves to commit to England players being individually better.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:00 pm
by Dai another day
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Frodder wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance
Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.
This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
I said before the tournament began that Wales would be very pleased with a return of 2 wins in this year's tournament.

With the victory over the Scots, it looks like we will surpass that with bankers over Italy and France.

It means against Englañd and Ireland, Wales can just go out and play. Whatever happens happens. There is no expectation. We expect to lose.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:03 pm
by Mick Mannock
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Frodder wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance
Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.
This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
Gatland has been in charge for ten years. Anyone would think a new coaching staff had just been appointed.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:04 pm
by ManInTheBar
Dai another day wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Frodder wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance
Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.
This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
I said before the tournament began that Wales would be very pleased with a return of 2 wins in this year's tournament.

With the victory over the Scots, it looks like we will surpass that with bankers over Italy and France.

It means against Englañd and Ireland, Wales can just go out and play. Whatever happens happens. There is no expectation. We expect to lose.
So if you win you will be disappointed? That's logic is that, see.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:07 pm
by Saturnine
croyals wrote:Image
A Lion = AWJ (3 separate tours)

Which makes Eddie a sheep, I guess...

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:07 pm
by Andalu
croyals wrote:Image
Said the Welsh rugby player to the animal right activist.

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:07 pm
by Mick Mannock
Dai another day wrote:
c69 wrote:
Rugby2023 wrote:
Frodder wrote:
The Man Without Fear wrote:I love the approach of the 6N. Such anticipation. Then it starts and things like this thread appear...
No expectation on us. We're expecting to get beat easily and the bookies have it right. Well done England in advance
Agree, Wales can afford to go and have a really good go in expansive Scarlets style without worrying too much if they lose.
This was a rebuilding season, new team, new tactics.
Just give either a lash. We are going to lose by a dozen or so we may as well go down playing with a bit of flair.
The Saes bench will be too dynamic.
I said before the tournament began that Wales would be very pleased with a return of 2 wins in this year's tournament.

With the victory over the Scots, it looks like we will surpass that with bankers over Italy and France.

It means against Englañd and Ireland, Wales can just go out and play. Whatever happens happens. There is no expectation. We expect to lose.
Come on now, you must at least try for the sake of coal, water, steel, houses, rape, control, and punishement

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:14 pm
by GWO2
cubby boi wrote:
Mahoney wrote:Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.
Bet you England won’t close the roof as they’re petrified of our running game.
:?
What roof?

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:17 pm
by Frodder
croyals wrote:Image
We know our place, hopefully you'll take it easy on us sir

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:20 pm
by croyals
Frodder wrote:
croyals wrote:Image
We know our place, hopefully you'll take it easy on us sir
If only

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:24 pm
by Mick Mannock
GWO2 wrote:
cubby boi wrote:
Mahoney wrote:Looks like it’s going to be played in a complete downpour.
Bet you England won’t close the roof as they’re petrified of our running game.
:?
What roof?
I think (hope) cb was taking the piss

Re: England Vs Wales OFFICIAL Six Nations Match Thread

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:25 pm
by Mick Mannock
Yeah it's been stale for years. However a leopard can apparently change its spots. This change has been forced by injuries and the Scarlets success. England are too settled to strong and just too Saes.
England by 15
You think our players are better than yours?