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rabble wrote:I think a motion of no confidence could be a better outcome for the country.
A m.o.n.c. passed means the whole cabinet needs to resign. (102 (2))
This will conveniently get of all the dead wood without CR needing to tread on any toes.
I think there's 3 options with a MONC, but is it likely they'll go for just him or the cabinet? What's the EFFs motion?rabble wrote:I think a motion of no confidence could be a better outcome for the country.
A m.o.n.c. passed means the whole cabinet needs to resign. (102 (2))
This will conveniently get of all the dead wood without CR needing to tread on any toes.
(1) If Parliament passes a vote of no confidence in the Cabinet, including the President, the President shall, unless he or she resigns, dissolve Parliament and call an election in accordance with section 39.
(2) If Parliament passes a vote of no confidence in the President, but not in the other members of the Cabinet, the President shall resign.
(3) If Parliament passes a vote of no confidence in the Cabinet, excluding the President, the President may-
https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/sout ... -analysts/Political analysts shared their views on the purpose of the action.
Dr Mzukisi Qobo‚ associate professor at the Pan-African Institute at the University of Johannesburg‚ says the raid is meant to send a powerful message to the statesman.
“It’s simply to say‚ the law enforcement will be unleashed on you. But I don’t think there should be much celebration‚ these institutions have been defective for too long. It will take time to repair the paralysis‚” Qobo said.
Political economist Moeletsi Mbeki suggested that the raid was political and not intended for the greater good.
Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma tells ANC it's time for Zuma to go
Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma put the final nail in President Jacob Zuma's political coffin.
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“In their [ANC] eyes‚ their constitution overrides that of the country. If the Guptas are guilty‚ why have they not arrested them before? Why now? This shows disregard for the rule of law. The raid was not in the spirit of upholding the law but for political ends‚” Mbeki said.
Speaking on the planned recall of the president‚ Mbeki said Zuma was president by virtue of the constitution‚ not the ANC.
“The constitution is highly compromised in the ANC. Not just under the new boss‚ Cyril Ramaphosa‚ but under Zuma too.”
The section I referred to say:Bullettyme wrote:I think there's 3 options with a MONC, but is it likely they'll go for just him or the cabinet? What's the EFFs motion?rabble wrote:I think a motion of no confidence could be a better outcome for the country.
A m.o.n.c. passed means the whole cabinet needs to resign. (102 (2))
This will conveniently get of all the dead wood without CR needing to tread on any toes.
(1) If Parliament passes a vote of no confidence in the Cabinet, including the President, the President shall, unless he or she resigns, dissolve Parliament and call an election in accordance with section 39.
(2) If Parliament passes a vote of no confidence in the President, but not in the other members of the Cabinet, the President shall resign.
(3) If Parliament passes a vote of no confidence in the Cabinet, excluding the President, the President may-
Motions of no confidence
102. (1) If the National Assembly, by a vote supported by a majority of its members, passes a motion of no confidence in the Cabinet excluding the President, the President must reconstitute the Cabinet.
(2) If the National Assembly, by a vote supported by a majority of its members, passes a motion of no confidence in the President, the President and the other members of the Cabinet and any Deputy Ministers must resign.
Kind of the endgame is it not? He goes to have a very nice retirement in a wealthy country that does not do extradition?Bullettyme wrote:What is the hurry
He's either completely deluded or he wants to tear everything down with him before he goes off-shore.
Flyin Ryan wrote:Kind of the endgame is it not? He goes to have a very nice retirement in a wealthy country that does not do extradition?Bullettyme wrote:What is the hurry
He's either completely deluded or he wants to tear everything down with him before he goes off-shore.
You'd think so, since the ANC doesn't want to give any sort of immunity to him. The jig is well and truly up.Flyin Ryan wrote:Kind of the endgame is it not? He goes to have a very nice retirement in a wealthy country that does not do extradition?Bullettyme wrote:What is the hurry
He's either completely deluded or he wants to tear everything down with him before he goes off-shore.
Bullettyme wrote:You'd think so, since the ANC doesn't want to give any sort of immunity to him. The jig is well and truly up.Flyin Ryan wrote:Kind of the endgame is it not? He goes to have a very nice retirement in a wealthy country that does not do extradition?Bullettyme wrote:What is the hurry
He's either completely deluded or he wants to tear everything down with him before he goes off-shore.
Although, he could be completely deluded in thinking that everything that he did was fair, that the ANC (and the new SA) owed him a living for his time spent in prison and in exile. And sure wasn't everyone else on the take as well?
Different country, but in Ireland after an election each of the parliamentary parties usually nominate their party leader for Taoiseach (prime minister), and they usually garner the same votes as they have seats. Then they usually go into horse trading as there's usually no outright majority and they form coalitions, process happens again etc. Funny seeing some of the no-hopers nominated. Might be similar in SA.troglodiet wrote: Another question, and this is purely hypothetical as I know it wouldn't happen even if it could, but: if the prez is let go through parliament, and parliament then have to elect a new prez, is there anything prohibiting a member of another party to be elected? Could say Julius or John Steenhuisen throw their names in the hat just for the lulz?
DraadkarD wrote:He's not going to resign
They can vote any parliamentary member into the presidency. There was a DA candidate that was nominated to contest Kgalema Motlanthe. Could not remember his name.troglodiet wrote:
Another question, and this is purely hypothetical as I know it wouldn't happen even if it could, but: if the prez is let go through parliament, and parliament then have to elect a new prez, is there anything prohibiting a member of another party to be elected? Could say Julius or John Steenhuisen throw their names in the hat just for the lulz?
DraadkarD wrote:They can vote any parliamentary member into the presidency. There was a DA candidate that was nominated to contest Kgalema Motlanthe. Could not remember his name.troglodiet wrote:
Another question, and this is purely hypothetical as I know it wouldn't happen even if it could, but: if the prez is let go through parliament, and parliament then have to elect a new prez, is there anything prohibiting a member of another party to be elected? Could say Julius or John Steenhuisen throw their names in the hat just for the lulz?
Wikipedia says Joe Seremane.DraadkarD wrote:They can vote any parliamentary member into the presidency. There was a DA candidate that was nominated to contest Kgalema Motlanthe. Could not remember his name.troglodiet wrote:
Another question, and this is purely hypothetical as I know it wouldn't happen even if it could, but: if the prez is let go through parliament, and parliament then have to elect a new prez, is there anything prohibiting a member of another party to be elected? Could say Julius or John Steenhuisen throw their names in the hat just for the lulz?
That's the guy. ThanksFlyin Ryan wrote:Wikipedia says Joe Seremane.DraadkarD wrote:They can vote any parliamentary member into the presidency. There was a DA candidate that was nominated to contest Kgalema Motlanthe. Could not remember his name.troglodiet wrote:
Another question, and this is purely hypothetical as I know it wouldn't happen even if it could, but: if the prez is let go through parliament, and parliament then have to elect a new prez, is there anything prohibiting a member of another party to be elected? Could say Julius or John Steenhuisen throw their names in the hat just for the lulz?
He's not speaking to us he's speaking to the ANC, the public are irrelevant to ANC thinking. His argument is he's done nothing wrong and there's no evidence of anything, so there's no basis for to resign, makes sense he can't implicate himself and say he's guilty of something. The ANC could easily not vote against him in a motion of no confidence, like the 8 previous times.spike wrote:This is embarrassing to watch.. rambling, deranged man fighting for his life..
DraadkarD wrote:They can vote any parliamentary member into the presidency. There was a DA candidate that was nominated to contest Kgalema Motlanthe. Could not remember his name.troglodiet wrote:
Another question, and this is purely hypothetical as I know it wouldn't happen even if it could, but: if the prez is let go through parliament, and parliament then have to elect a new prez, is there anything prohibiting a member of another party to be elected? Could say Julius or John Steenhuisen throw their names in the hat just for the lulz?
ox wagon wrote:He's not speaking to us he's speaking to the ANC, the public are irrelevant to ANC thinking. His argument is he's done nothing wrong and there's no evidence of anything, so there's no basis for to resign, makes sense he can't implicate himself and say he's guilty of something. The ANC could easily not vote against him in a motion of no confidence, like the 8 previous times.spike wrote:This is embarrassing to watch.. rambling, deranged man fighting for his life..
This shows why the ANC will never reform. Can't even get rid of one guy, and it's not one man they need to get rid of 40%+ of them supported his ex-wife over Ramaphosa. They can't really go after them using the courts etc either, as going down that rabbit hole will implicate probably most of them.
This is embarrassingly incompetent from the ANC, they now need the opposition to get rid of their own two term corrupt Prez. They can't even deal with their own guy.
ox wagon wrote:He's not speaking to us he's speaking to the ANC, the public are irrelevant to ANC thinking. His argument is he's done nothing wrong and there's no evidence of anything, so there's no basis for to resign, makes sense he can't implicate himself and say he's guilty of something. The ANC could easily not vote against him in a motion of no confidence, like the 8 previous times.spike wrote:This is embarrassing to watch.. rambling, deranged man fighting for his life..
This shows why the ANC will never reform. Can't even get rid of one guy, and it's not one man they need to get rid of 40%+ of them supported his ex-wife over Ramaphosa. They can't really go after them using the courts etc either, as going down that rabbit hole will implicate probably most of them.
This is embarrassingly incompetent from the ANC, they now need the opposition to get rid of their own two term corrupt Prez. They can't even deal with their own guy.
troglodiet wrote:ox wagon wrote:He's not speaking to us he's speaking to the ANC, the public are irrelevant to ANC thinking. His argument is he's done nothing wrong and there's no evidence of anything, so there's no basis for to resign, makes sense he can't implicate himself and say he's guilty of something. The ANC could easily not vote against him in a motion of no confidence, like the 8 previous times.spike wrote:This is embarrassing to watch.. rambling, deranged man fighting for his life..
This shows why the ANC will never reform. Can't even get rid of one guy, and it's not one man they need to get rid of 40%+ of them supported his ex-wife over Ramaphosa. They can't really go after them using the courts etc either, as going down that rabbit hole will implicate probably most of them.
This is embarrassingly incompetent from the ANC, they now need the opposition to get rid of their own two term corrupt Prez. They can't even deal with their own guy.
I wonder how much of a difference this is going to make in 2019.
The two camps within the ANC and the organisation as a whole didn't come out of this looking too great.
And I'm sure the voters are starting to wake up to this.
2019 is going to be a very interesting election.
#ZumaExit Zuma: I joined the ANC very young, taken instruction to areas where I would have been killed for the first time I have a problem with the leadership. 'Not defying, I've said I don't agree' @teamnews24
Wilson's Toffee wrote:troglodiet wrote:ox wagon wrote:He's not speaking to us he's speaking to the ANC, the public are irrelevant to ANC thinking. His argument is he's done nothing wrong and there's no evidence of anything, so there's no basis for to resign, makes sense he can't implicate himself and say he's guilty of something. The ANC could easily not vote against him in a motion of no confidence, like the 8 previous times.spike wrote:This is embarrassing to watch.. rambling, deranged man fighting for his life..
This shows why the ANC will never reform. Can't even get rid of one guy, and it's not one man they need to get rid of 40%+ of them supported his ex-wife over Ramaphosa. They can't really go after them using the courts etc either, as going down that rabbit hole will implicate probably most of them.
This is embarrassingly incompetent from the ANC, they now need the opposition to get rid of their own two term corrupt Prez. They can't even deal with their own guy.
I wonder how much of a difference this is going to make in 2019.
The two camps within the ANC and the organisation as a whole didn't come out of this looking too great.
And I'm sure the voters are starting to wake up to this.
2019 is going to be a very interesting election.
Mosioua (Terror) Lekota reckons the ANC will loss the majority of votes for that election. Says the black electorate have lost their trust in the ANC.
troglodiet wrote:From his interview:
#ZumaExit Zuma: I joined the ANC very young, taken instruction to areas where I would have been killed for the first time I have a problem with the leadership. 'Not defying, I've said I don't agree' @teamnews24
Is he saying what I think he's saying?
Wilson's Toffee wrote:troglodiet wrote:From his interview:
#ZumaExit Zuma: I joined the ANC very young, taken instruction to areas where I would have been killed for the first time I have a problem with the leadership. 'Not defying, I've said I don't agree' @teamnews24
Is he saying what I think he's saying?
Yes.
And I do not think he is far wrong. Those were hard days.
Zuma has (reportedly) had a hand in several MK "executions" himself. Uganda, those places.
He is no stranger to blood and death. And treachery.
Wilson's Toffee wrote:The Party Faithful
Yes, they are always with us.
troglodiet wrote:Wilson's Toffee wrote:The Party Faithful
Yes, they are always with us.
Sorry, did you say something?
I still have you on ignore.
Wilson's Toffee wrote:troglodiet wrote:Wilson's Toffee wrote:The Party Faithful
Yes, they are always with us.
Sorry, did you say something?
I still have you on ignore.
Oh. Thought so, but just wanted to make sure.
Will talk to you again when your period is over.
