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Monk Zombie wrote:when?

Sandstorm wrote:Pity. Who's going to keep you Klingons in line now?

Adriaan Basson on Twitter wrote:
Presidency official tells @News24 the SABC report that Zuma has agreed to step down is not true. @TeamNews24

5:29 PM - Feb 12, 2018

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Listened to a US prof speaking on the radio (RSG) (did not get his full name, Prof Piet Joubert I think) who reckons Zuma will not be bothered by the odd R3 million p.a. that he will lose if fired ... he's made enough money otherwise. For him the main thing will be to
a) maintain his circle of patronage
b) get the Russian nuclear deal signed.

Big Nipper wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Listened to a US prof speaking on the radio (RSG) (did not get his full name, Prof Piet Joubert I think) who reckons Zuma will not be bothered by the odd R3 million p.a. that he will lose if fired ... he's made enough money otherwise. For him the main thing will be to
a) maintain his circle of patronage
b) get the Russian nuclear deal signed.

Nuke deal will not be signed, you are peddling fake news in order to troll, or to further your contrarian objective

DraadkarD wrote:So, we start again. Will it be today or tomorrow?

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Listened to a US prof speaking on the radio (RSG) (did not get his full name, Prof Piet Joubert I think) who reckons Zuma will not be bothered by the odd R3 million p.a. that he will lose if fired ... he's made enough money otherwise. For him the main thing will be to
a) maintain his circle of patronage
b) get the Russian nuclear deal signed.

Nuke deal will not be signed, you are peddling fake news in order to troll, or to further your contrarian objective

Bluh bluh bluh bluh.
Little Zuma fluffer.

Go pack your shelves. The adults are conversing.

Big Nipper wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:Listened to a US prof speaking on the radio (RSG) (did not get his full name, Prof Piet Joubert I think) who reckons Zuma will not be bothered by the odd R3 million p.a. that he will lose if fired ... he's made enough money otherwise. For him the main thing will be to
a) maintain his circle of patronage
b) get the Russian nuclear deal signed.

Nuke deal will not be signed, you are peddling fake news in order to troll, or to further your contrarian objective

Bluh bluh bluh bluh.
Little Zuma fluffer.

Go pack your shelves. The adults are conversing.

Lovely comeback, you really have no clue

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Go do you fokken research yourself. There WAS a deal signed, year ago, already set apart by the courts (Cape High Court - expect a challenge on that)
Muthambi (Zuma's lay) and the Energy minister was in Dubai this weekend. Guptas in Moscow last week. All available on the net.

Stop being so fokken lazy. It comes through even worse than your boorishness.


Children.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Go do you fokken research yourself. There WAS a deal signed, year ago, already set apart by the courts (Cape High Court - expect a challenge on that)
Muthambi (Zuma's lay) and the Energy minister was in Dubai this weekend. Guptas in Moscow last week. All available on the net.

Stop being so fokken lazy. It comes through even worse than your boorishness.


Children.

Big Nipper wrote:

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Go do you fokken research yourself. There WAS a deal signed, year ago, already set apart by the courts (Cape High Court - expect a challenge on that)
Muthambi (Zuma's lay) and the Energy minister was in Dubai this weekend. Guptas in Moscow last week. All available on the net.

Stop being so fokken lazy. It comes through even worse than your boorishness.


Children.

Pinch a nerve, I see?

Sards wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Did you not think it coincidental that Mahlobe and Faith flew to Dubai this past weekend , prior to which the Guptas had been to Russia and a Russian Nuclear delegation arrived in South Africa stright afterwards.....

If you were as clever as PG you would........connect.........the.........dots

troglodiet wrote:

Sards wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Did you not think it coincidental that Mahlobe and Faith flew to Dubai this past weekend , prior to which the Guptas had been to Russia and a Russian Nuclear delegation arrived in South Africa stright afterwards.....

If you were as clever as PG you would........connect.........the.........dots

Last night Zuma agreed to resign.....provided he's allowed to stay on as prez for 3 months.


Why 3 months? Why not immediately. Or one month's notice.


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troglodiet wrote:

Sards wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Did you not think it coincidental that Mahlobe and Faith flew to Dubai this past weekend , prior to which the Guptas had been to Russia and a Russian Nuclear delegation arrived in South Africa stright afterwards.....

If you were as clever as PG you would........connect.........the.........dots

Last night Zuma agreed to resign.....provided he's allowed to stay on as prez for 3 months.


Why 3 months? Why not immediately. Or one month's notice.


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#ZumaExit ANC Secretary General Ace Magashule and his deputy Jessie Duarte have been tasked with delivering the recall letter to President Jacob Zuma #sabcnews

troglodiet wrote:Letter being drafted by the NEC, to be delivered to JZ.

#ZumaExit ANC Secretary General Ace Magashule and his deputy Jessie Duarte have been tasked with delivering the recall letter to President Jacob Zuma #sabcnews

Letter to be written and delivered by two of his staunchest supporters




One other thing that needs mentioning: it took a 13-hour meeting for the NEC to get to an agreement. That clearly shows there's still one helluva lot of support for JZ within the top structures.

danny_fitz wrote:

troglodiet wrote:

Sards wrote:

Big Nipper wrote:I asked you for concrete proof of a nuclear deal signed, or in the process of being signed, and yet you can provide no such proof

Did you not think it coincidental that Mahlobe and Faith flew to Dubai this past weekend , prior to which the Guptas had been to Russia and a Russian Nuclear delegation arrived in South Africa stright afterwards.....

If you were as clever as PG you would........connect.........the.........dots

Last night Zuma agreed to resign.....provided he's allowed to stay on as prez for 3 months.


Why 3 months? Why not immediately. Or one month's notice.


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Needs to hammer out those immunity agreements.

troglodiet wrote:

Problem for JZ, from all the discussions I've seen, is that there's no legal way in which anybody can grant him any immunity.

The only person who can give some sort of agreement is the president of the country, who is currently Jacob Zuma. There might be a slight conflict of interest.........

And immunity indicates an admission of guilt.

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

troglodiet wrote:

Problem for JZ, from all the discussions I've seen, is that there's no legal way in which anybody can grant him any immunity.

The only person who can give some sort of agreement is the president of the country, who is currently Jacob Zuma. There might be a slight conflict of interest.........

And immunity indicates an admission of guilt.

Doesn't need immunity. Only needs a suitably incompetent State prosecutor, who fudges up his arguments and misrepresents the case.

We've seen that many times already. Before, during and after apartheid, even.

President Jacob Zuma’s family has blamed white people for his political woes and called on him to resist pressure to resign.
Zuma’s nephew, Inkosi Simphiwe Zuma, a senior member of the family, said the ANC national executive committee (NEC) members and society’s call for him to resign was the work of the West, which interfered with the ANC’s affairs with the aim of destroying it, so that “they can do as they please with the country”.

“White people came within us, with the aim of destroying the ANC. If the leadership does not realise this, they (white people) are coming for (Cyril) Ramaphosa,” he said.

And if the president resigned he would be admitting guilt on the allegations made against him, he added.

“If you resign you are saying you have done something wrong. They must make a de­cision to recall him, since he is deployed by the ANC. I don’t support the idea of him resigning on his own because that would he admitting to (the) charges they’re putting against him,” he said.

Sards wrote:And of course there is the usual from the Zuma family.....its all the Wests fault. And the Whites......

They really think that the rest of South AFRICA is as foolish as themselves and BN.....

"The current crisis is also not about two centres of power, but the fact that a continued stay of Zuma as president would cost the ANC dearly and impact on the country in a manner that has not happened before. We are not dealing with two centres of power here, but the challenge of corruption, state capture, and the fear of ending up in jail." - Frank Chikane

Wilson's Toffee wrote:

Sards wrote:And of course there is the usual from the Zuma family.....its all the Wests fault. And the Whites......

They really think that the rest of South AFRICA is as foolish as themselves and BN.....

Does it matter ? Little Big nipper will be in church at lunch time, admitting to being a closet racist, saying Hail Marys and seeking absolution for the sake of preservation of his soul .... That is the way the cookie crumbles.

BREAKING: Zuma has until end of Tuesday to resign - sources
2018-02-13 12:48
Mahlatse Mahlase, Tshidi Madia and Adriaan Basson

Pretoria - The ANC has given President Jacob Zuma an ultimatum to resign as head of state by the end of Tuesday or risk being removed by Parliament.

ANC secretary general Ace Magashule delivered Zuma’s recall letter to the presidential guesthouse on Tuesday morning after the party’s highest decision-making body, the national executive committee (NEC), decided after a marathon meeting that he should go.

News24 has reliably learned that the balance of forces in the governing party had shifted "overwhelmingly" against Zuma and there was little sympathy for his perceived defiance of the ANC.

"Zuma is very emotional. He is speaking through the heart now. He is angry," an inside source with knowledge of the discussions with Zuma said.

The ANC is scheduled to announce its decision to recall Zuma at 14:00.

FOLLOW THE LATEST NEWS IN OUR LIVE UPDATE

Zuma refused to resign during a terse meeting with ANC president Cyril Ramaphosa and other top officials at the presidential guesthouse late on Monday night. Ramaphosa was delegated by the party to inform Zuma of his imminent recall.

The meeting came after Ramaphosa failed to convince Zuma to resign voluntarily. Ramaphosa told the NEC that Zuma had insisted on a three months' "notice period" to hand over the running of the state to his deputy. This was rejected by the NEC.

"He was given one last chance to resign, but he refused. He was very emotional," said the source. Zuma told Ramaphosa that he would respond publicly to an official letter from the ANC that recalls him, if the party decided to go that way.

Ramaphosa and his colleagues returned to the NEC meeting at Saint George Hotel outside Pretoria, where it was formally decided to recall Zuma.

Loud applause for Ramaphosa

According to inside sources, Ramaphosa was widely praised by the NEC for the way in which he has handled the matter. "Cyril got loud applause. People appreciated that he tried to avoid this thing from happening (the recall)."

Another NEC source described Zuma as impossible. "He has literally shown the NEC the middle finger. We were exhausted and emotional."

His approach caused former Zuma supporters like Fikile Mbalula, Pam Tshwete, Collen Maine and Nomvula Mokonyane to speak in favour of a recall. "Pam Tshwete used to insult us (Ramaphosa supporters) in NEC meetings in defence of Zuma. We were surprised," said an NEC member.

On Tuesday morning, Zuma was told that he had until the end of the day to step down.

Motion of no confidence

If Zuma resigns, it will trigger an immediate vacancy in the Presidency which will be filled by Ramaphosa in an acting capacity until he is voted and sworn in as president by Parliament.

If Zuma still refuses to go, the ANC will have to vote him out through a motion of no confidence in Parliament. An EFF-sponsored motion is scheduled for February 22, but it is expected that the ANC would want to table its own motion to remove Zuma.

The EFF is expected to insist that its motion be dealt with first, creating the possibility that ANC MPs may have to abstain from voting or vote against the motion if the party insists on removing Zuma through its own motion.

Speaker Baleka Mbete has called a forum of chief whips for 08:00 on Wednesday.

Pretoria - The ANC has given President Jacob Zuma an ultimatum to resign as head of state by the end of Tuesday or risk being removed by Parliament.

ANC secretary general Ace Magashule delivered Zuma’s recall letter to the presidential guesthouse on Tuesday morning after the party’s highest decision-making body, the national executive committee (NEC), decided after a marathon meeting that he should go.

News24 has reliably learned that the balance of forces in the governing party had shifted "overwhelmingly" against Zuma and there was little sympathy for his perceived defiance of the ANC.

"Zuma is very emotional. He is speaking through the heart now. He is angry," an inside source with knowledge of the discussions with Zuma said.

The ANC is scheduled to announce its decision to recall Zuma at 14:00.

Zuma refused to resign during a terse meeting with ANC president Cyril Ramaphosa and other top officials at the presidential guesthouse late on Monday night. Ramaphosa was delegated by the party to inform Zuma of his imminent recall.

The meeting came after Ramaphosa failed to convince Zuma to resign voluntarily. Ramaphosa told the NEC that Zuma had insisted on a three months' "notice period" to hand over the running of the state to his deputy. This was rejected by the NEC.

"He was given one last chance to resign, but he refused. He was very emotional," said the source. Zuma told Ramaphosa that he would respond publicly to an official letter from the ANC that recalls him, if the party decided to go that way.

Ramaphosa and his colleagues returned to the NEC meeting at Saint George Hotel outside Pretoria, where it was formally decided to recall Zuma.

Loud applause for Ramaphosa

According to inside sources, Ramaphosa was widely praised by the NEC for the way in which he has handled the matter. "Cyril got loud applause. People appreciated that he tried to avoid this thing from happening (the recall)."

Another NEC source described Zuma as impossible. "He has literally shown the NEC the middle finger. We were exhausted and emotional."

His approach caused former Zuma supporters like Fikile Mbalula, Pam Tshwete, Collen Maine and Nomvula Mokonyane to speak in favour of a recall. "Pam Tshwete used to insult us (Ramaphosa supporters) in NEC meetings in defence of Zuma. We were surprised," said an NEC member.

On Tuesday morning, Zuma was told that he had until the end of the day to step down.

Motion of no confidence

If Zuma resigns, it will trigger an immediate vacancy in the Presidency which will be filled by Ramaphosa in an acting capacity until he is voted and sworn in as president by Parliament.

If Zuma still refuses to go, the ANC will have to vote him out through a motion of no confidence in Parliament. An EFF-sponsored motion is scheduled for February 22, but it is expected that the ANC would want to table its own motion to remove Zuma.

The EFF is expected to insist that its motion be dealt with first, creating the possibility that ANC MPs may have to abstain from voting or vote against the motion if the party insists on removing Zuma through its own motion.

Speaker Baleka Mbete has called a forum of chief whips for 08:00 on Wednesday.

DraadkarD wrote:

BREAKING: Zuma has until end of Tuesday to resign - sources
2018-02-13 12:48
Mahlatse Mahlase, Tshidi Madia and Adriaan Basson