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Why can he not be told?


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He knows already.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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Things Julian Assange is not:

• being detained
• under house arrest
• clean

Things Julian Assange is:

• hidey
• rapey
• free to go outside any f**king time he wants to




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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


It is indeed perversion of justice the way the Ecuadorians have interfered with the extradition of a possible sex criminal.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


He's perfectly free to leave the Embassy at any time - it's his choice to hole up in there.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


It is indeed perversion of justice the way the Ecuadorians have interfered with the extradition of a possible sex criminal.

He was never charged by Sweden. We all know why they wanted him, America wanted him. So they put up fake allegations to get him there. Why are the Brits allowing this to happen? That's why we should be afraid, this isn't much different to Russia.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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Any naughties that he knows of will be far more serious for Obama than for Trump.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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ovalball wrote:
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A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


He's perfectly free to leave the Embassy at any time - it's his choice to hole up in there.

You conveniently left our why he is there in the first place. The US Govt or some very corrupt powerful people with influence over the US govt, have bent the laws and justice systems of two countries to get Assange. Little old Ecuador atleast has a spine.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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CrazyIslander wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
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A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


It is indeed perversion of justice the way the Ecuadorians have interfered with the extradition of a possible sex criminal.

He was never charged by Sweden. We all know why they wanted him, America wanted him. So they put up fake allegations to get him there. Why are the Brits allowing this to happen? That's why we should be afraid, this isn't much different to Russia.


They issued an arrest warrant against him, he was never charged cause you have to to arrested to be charged.


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ovalball wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


He's perfectly free to leave the Embassy at any time - it's his choice to hole up in there.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


It is indeed perversion of justice the way the Ecuadorians have interfered with the extradition of a possible sex criminal.


I think Assange is a bit of a twat but that is a particularly tenuous basis for an argument.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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CrazyIslander wrote:
ovalball wrote:
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A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


He's perfectly free to leave the Embassy at any time - it's his choice to hole up in there.

You conveniently left our why he is there in the first place.


Cause he didn't want to face charges of rape? I think you're the one missing that point.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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guy smiley wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


It is indeed perversion of justice the way the Ecuadorians have interfered with the extradition of a possible sex criminal.


I think Assange is a bit of a twat but that is a particularly tenuous basis for an argument.

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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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CrazyIslander wrote:
ovalball wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
A man's freedom is taken from him and clear cut perversion of justice. All in public view yet noone can stop it. We should all be afraid.


He's perfectly free to leave the Embassy at any time - it's his choice to hole up in there.

You conveniently left our why he is there in the first place. The US Govt or some very corrupt powerful people with influence over the US govt, have bent the laws and justice systems of two countries to get Assange. Little old Ecuador atleast has a spine.


Don't you just love a good old conspiracy theory.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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They issued an arrest warrant against him, he was never charged cause you have to to arrested to be charged.

Sweden lifted their arrest warrant long since.

The Swedes wanted to drop it as far back as 2013 but the UK bullied them not to.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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Don't you just love a good old conspiracy theory.


Oh absolutely. Of course, I wouldn't want to lend credence to anything as far fetched as that so I'll just suggest that


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/ ... mails-show
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Swedish prosecutors attempted to drop extradition proceedings against Julian Assange as early as 2013, according to a confidential exchange of emails with the Crown Prosecution Service seen by the Guardian.

The sequence of messages also appears to challenge statements by the CPS that the case was not live at the time emails were deleted by prosecutors, according to supporters of the WikiLeaks founder.

Assange was first questioned over allegations of sexual assault and rape in Sweden, which he denies, in 2010. He travelled to the UK later that year and Swedish authorities began extradition proceedings against him.

He subsequently skipped bail and was granted asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London in 2012 in order to avoid extradition. It was not until last year that the Stockholm publicly announced they had dropped their European arrest warrant application for him.

Assange still faces arrest for breaching his former bail conditions in the UK if he leaves the embassy in Knightsbridge. He fears there is a secret US indictment against him relating to WikiLeaks’ disclosure of leaked classified US documents.

The newly-released emails show that the Swedish authorities were eager to give up the case four years before they formally abandoned proceedings in 2017 and that the CPS dissuaded them from doing so.


this suggests the British CPS was committed to ensuring the safety of Swedish citizens to an exemplary degree and

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“The time passing, the costs and how severe the crime is to be taken into account together with the intrusion or detriment to the suspect. Against this background, we have found us to be obliged to lift the detention order ... and to withdraw the European arrest warrant. If so this should be done in a couple of weeks. This would affect not only us but you too in a significant way.”

Not all the emails are preserved in the exchange, but three days later Ny emailed the CPS again to say: “I am sorry this came as a [bad] surprise... I hope I didn’t ruin your weekend.”

The CPS lawyer wrote back to Ny in December 2013, insisting: “I do not consider costs are a relevant factor in this matter.” This was at a time when the Metropolitan police had revealed that its from the embassy had already cost £3.8m. “I do wonder occasionally if the police just make public comments because they think it will somehow progress a case,” he wrote.

“All we can do is wait and see [and perhaps be eternally grateful that neither of us have to share a room in the embassy with him over Christmas!].”

At the beginning of the legal battle over Assange in 2011, the CPS advised Swedish prosecutors not to interview him in Britain, but they eventually did.

The CPS lawyer also told Ny that year: “It is simply amazing how much work this case is generating. It sometimes seems like an industry. Please do not think this case is being dealt with as just another extradition.”



this suggests that the CPS would naturally expend a similar effort to ensure the safety of anyone that comes within their sphere of interest.


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 Post subject: Re: Julian Assange
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Extraordinary level of corruption by the Crown Prosecution Service UK.
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Swedish prosecutors attempted to drop extradition proceedings against Julian Assange as early as 2013, according to a confidential exchange of emails with the Crown Prosecution Service seen by the Guardian.

The sequence of messages also appears to challenge statements by the CPS that the case was not live at the time emails were deleted by prosecutors, according to supporters of the WikiLeaks founder.

Assange was first questioned over allegations of sexual assault and rape in Sweden, which he denies, in 2010. He travelled to the UK later that year and Swedish authorities began extradition proceedings against him.

Julian Assange is made an Ecuadorian citizen in effort to resolve impasse

He subsequently skipped bail and was granted asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London in 2012 in order to avoid extradition. It was not until last year that the Stockholm publicly announced they had dropped their European arrest warrant application for him.


Assange still faces arrest for breaching his former bail conditions in the UK if he leaves the embassy in Knightsbridge. He fears there is a secret US indictment against him relating to WikiLeaks’ disclosure of leaked classified US documents.

The newly-released emails show that the Swedish authorities were eager to give up the case four years before they formally abandoned proceedings in 2017 and that the CPS dissuaded them from doing so.

Some of the material has surfaced from an information tribunal challenge brought late last year by the Italian journalist Stefania Maurizi.

The CPS lawyer handling the case, who has since retired, commented on an article which suggested that Sweden could drop the case in August 2012. He wrote: “Don’t you dare get cold feet!!!”.

As the case dragged on, the Swedish director of public prosecutions, Marianne Ny, wrote to the CPS on 18 October 2013 explaining that she had few options left. “There is a demand in Swedish law for coercive measures to be proportionate,” she informed London.


“The time passing, the costs and how severe the crime is to be taken into account together with the intrusion or detriment to the suspect. Against this background, we have found us to be obliged to lift the detention order ... and to withdraw the European arrest warrant. If so this should be done in a couple of weeks. This would affect not only us but you too in a significant way.”

Not all the emails are preserved in the exchange, but three days later Ny emailed the CPS again to say: “I am sorry this came as a [bad] surprise... I hope I didn’t ruin your weekend.”

The CPS lawyer wrote back to Ny in December 2013, insisting: “I do not consider costs are a relevant factor in this matter.” This was at a time when the Metropolitan police had revealed that its security operation to prevent Assange escaping from the embassy had already cost £3.8m. “I do wonder occasionally if the police just make public comments because they think it will somehow progress a case,” he wrote.

“All we can do is wait and see [and perhaps be eternally grateful that neither of us have to share a room in the embassy with him over Christmas!].”


At the beginning of the legal battle over Assange in 2011, the CPS advised Swedish prosecutors not to interview him in Britain, but they eventually did.

The CPS lawyer also told Ny that year: “It is simply amazing how much work this case is generating. It sometimes seems like an industry. Please do not think this case is being dealt with as just another extradition.”

Assange’s supporters allege that the CPS has been inconsistent in declaring whether or not the case was live. In dismissing a personal data request by him in April 2013, the CPS wrote that they could not release anything “because of the live matters still pending”.

But when explaining the deletion of emails about the case in 2014, after the CPS official who had been corresponding with Ny retired, it was defended on the grounds that: “The case was, therefore, not live when the email account was deleted.” Little had changed over that period, Assange’s supporters maintain.

A CPS spokesperson said: “As there are legal proceedings still under way it would be inappropriate to comment.”


Westminster magistrates court is due to deliver judgment on Tuesday in response to arguments from Assange’s lawyers that continuing to enforce the arrest warrant is disproportionate after so many years.

The UK supreme court ruled last week in relation to a case about the Chagos Islands that diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks are admissible as evidence in the dispute over creating a marine protection zone in the British territory.


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guy smiley wrote:
ovalball wrote:

Don't you just love a good old conspiracy theory.


Oh absolutely. Of course, I wouldn't want to lend credence to anything as far fetched as that so I'll just suggest that


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/ ... mails-show
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Swedish prosecutors attempted to drop extradition proceedings against Julian Assange as early as 2013, according to a confidential exchange of emails with the Crown Prosecution Service seen by the Guardian.

The sequence of messages also appears to challenge statements by the CPS that the case was not live at the time emails were deleted by prosecutors, according to supporters of the WikiLeaks founder.

Assange was first questioned over allegations of sexual assault and rape in Sweden, which he denies, in 2010. He travelled to the UK later that year and Swedish authorities began extradition proceedings against him.

He subsequently skipped bail and was granted asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy in London in 2012 in order to avoid extradition. It was not until last year that the Stockholm publicly announced they had dropped their European arrest warrant application for him.

Assange still faces arrest for breaching his former bail conditions in the UK if he leaves the embassy in Knightsbridge. He fears there is a secret US indictment against him relating to WikiLeaks’ disclosure of leaked classified US documents.

The newly-released emails show that the Swedish authorities were eager to give up the case four years before they formally abandoned proceedings in 2017 and that the CPS dissuaded them from doing so.


this suggests the British CPS was committed to ensuring the safety of Swedish citizens to an exemplary degree and

Quote:
“The time passing, the costs and how severe the crime is to be taken into account together with the intrusion or detriment to the suspect. Against this background, we have found us to be obliged to lift the detention order ... and to withdraw the European arrest warrant. If so this should be done in a couple of weeks. This would affect not only us but you too in a significant way.”

Not all the emails are preserved in the exchange, but three days later Ny emailed the CPS again to say: “I am sorry this came as a [bad] surprise... I hope I didn’t ruin your weekend.”

The CPS lawyer wrote back to Ny in December 2013, insisting: “I do not consider costs are a relevant factor in this matter.” This was at a time when the Metropolitan police had revealed that its from the embassy had already cost £3.8m. “I do wonder occasionally if the police just make public comments because they think it will somehow progress a case,” he wrote.

“All we can do is wait and see [and perhaps be eternally grateful that neither of us have to share a room in the embassy with him over Christmas!].”

At the beginning of the legal battle over Assange in 2011, the CPS advised Swedish prosecutors not to interview him in Britain, but they eventually did.

The CPS lawyer also told Ny that year: “It is simply amazing how much work this case is generating. It sometimes seems like an industry. Please do not think this case is being dealt with as just another extradition.”



this suggests that the CPS would naturally expend a similar effort to ensure the safety of anyone that comes within their sphere of interest.


I suspect the CPS didn't want him to be seen avoiding prosecution by jumping bail - it sets a bad precedent.

But, he should still be arrested and charged with jumping bail. The law has to apply to everyone - he's no exception.


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Yup, he can leave whenever he wants


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Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?


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Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?

Why the fûck should we?

If they apply to extradite him it'll go through the courts. We just told them to sod off with that hacker bloke.


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Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?


Of course not - we have an extradition treaty with the US - if they make a legal application, and a case that satisfies the criteria - why wouldn't we extradite him


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You would have thought he would be happy to be extradited. He would become much more relevant as a martyr.


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Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?

Why the fûck should we?

If they apply to extradite him it'll go through the courts. We just told them to sod off with that hacker bloke.

Human Rights? Do you not see that the Swedish rape allegations were made to get him to Sweden so that the US can take him?


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Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?

Why the fûck should we?

If they apply to extradite him it'll go through the courts. We just told them to sod off with that hacker bloke.

Human Rights? Do you not see that the Swedish rape allegations were made to get him to Sweden so that the US can take him?


Which is why it will go through the courts in the UK. If they find that there is no reason not to extradite him he will be sent over.


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Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?


Of course not - we have an extradition treaty with the US - if they make a legal application, and a case that satisfies the criteria - why wouldn't we extradite him

Because you're allowing your whole justice system to be a puppet to a powerful few in the US.


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CrazyIslander wrote:
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Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?

Why the fûck should we?

If they apply to extradite him it'll go through the courts. We just told them to sod off with that hacker bloke.

Human Rights? Do you not see that the Swedish rape allegations were made to get him to Sweden so that the US can take him?

Can I send you some more tinfoil for your hat?


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happyhooker wrote:
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happyhooker wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?

Why the fûck should we?

If they apply to extradite him it'll go through the courts. We just told them to sod off with that hacker bloke.

Human Rights? Do you not see that the Swedish rape allegations were made to get him to Sweden so that the US can take him?

Can I send you some more tinfoil for your hat?

If a govt can control the courts than its citizens are fvcked.


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But, he should still be arrested and charged with jumping bail. The law has to apply to everyone - he's no exception.

Everyone, eh? By all means.

They don't really bother imprisoning everyone for that on its own. Jail space is in short supply so it's probably a fine of up to five grand.

Unless they're looking to make an example out of it.


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CrazyIslander wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?

Why the fûck should we?

If they apply to extradite him it'll go through the courts. We just told them to sod off with that hacker bloke.

Human Rights? Do you not see that the Swedish rape allegations were made to get him to Sweden so that the US can take him?


1. The rape allegations were made when he was already in Sweden.
2. Why would it be any easier to extradite him from Sweden?


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CrazyIslander wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
happyhooker wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
Will the UK guarantee that he won't be extradited to the US?

Why the fûck should we?

If they apply to extradite him it'll go through the courts. We just told them to sod off with that hacker bloke.

Human Rights? Do you not see that the Swedish rape allegations were made to get him to Sweden so that the US can take him?

Can I send you some more tinfoil for your hat?

If a govt can control the courts than its citizens are fvcked.

He skipped bail. Let him come out and face that.

If you really think the government here controls the courts you're even crazier than your login.


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But, he should still be arrested and charged with jumping bail. The law has to apply to everyone - he's no exception.

Everyone, eh? By all means.

They don't really bother imprisoning everyone for that on its own. Jail space is in short supply so it's probably a fine of up to five grand.

Unless they're looking to make an example out of it.

The courts will tend to make an example of high profile cases who flaunt their flouting of the law. Nothing to do with the government


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Why were the rape charges dropped? was the accusation withdrawn


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If all he was facing was the skipping bail charge I'm sure he would take that gladly.


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happyhooker wrote:
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But, he should still be arrested and charged with jumping bail. The law has to apply to everyone - he's no exception.

Everyone, eh? By all means.

They don't really bother imprisoning everyone for that on its own. Jail space is in short supply so it's probably a fine of up to five grand.

Unless they're looking to make an example out of it.

The courts will tend to make an example of high profile cases who flaunt their flouting of the law. Nothing to do with the government


So it's arbitrary justice. That's fine, just don't try to claim it's applied the same to everyone.


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If all he was facing was the skipping bail charge I'm sure he would take that gladly.

It is all he's facing


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If all he was facing was the skipping bail charge I'm sure he would take that gladly.

It is all he's facing

No it's not.


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happyhooker wrote:
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If all he was facing was the skipping bail charge I'm sure he would take that gladly.

It is all he's facing

The UK has "not commented" on whether it has received an extradition request from the US.


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