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Bullettyme wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote:

Bullettyme wrote:You should have taken him to the ground BJJ style

boom.

Obviously you were not one of the guys telling me my BJJ training would be useless in a "real fight".

And yeah, I agree - if you know what you're doing. Taking a dude to the ground isn't going to be that helpful if you're just as clueless as they are. The best thing about it in these kind of situations is, if you know what you're doing, you can totally subdue the guy without actually doing any damage that could wind you up in court or something.

Naki: sorry to hear about that experience. Must have been frightening as hell, although sounds like you handled it well. Dealing with someone who is obviously unhinged is scary because you just don't know what they're willing to do. Did you or anyone else get a number plate? Did you get contact details from any of the witnesses?

As a side-point, how f'n mental does a fellah have to be to tail-gate someone like a moron, rear-end them and then get out and act like it was all the other guys fault. Crazy shit.

I was, it was a joke at your expense.

Okay, so you have no idea what you're talking about then. Fair enough.

Well I don't do BJJ, no interest in fighting or mid-life crisis coping mechanisms, I was just laughing at your ridiculous assertion that finding yourself on the ground during a fight was safe. But that's it really.

No fighting is safe. But if you think it's safer to stand up and bang than you're either a moron or have no idea what you're talking about. I'm assuming a mix of both.

Mid-life crisis coping mechanisms. Nice little dig there you prick. It's not a mid-life crisis coping mechanism. It's simply that I'm giving up rugby and want to do something that remains physical and challenging and keeps me fit and flexible. And hey ... if that actually is my "mid life crisis coping mechanism", f-ck it, I could be doing a lot worse than hard, challenging physical activity. So sit and spin buddy.

Mog The Almighty wrote: No fighting is safe. But if you think it's safer to stand up and bang than you're either a moron or have no idea what you're talking about. I'm assuming a mix of both.

Mid-life crisis coping mechanisms. Nice little dig there you prick. It's not a mid-life crisis coping mechanism. It's simply that I'm giving up rugby and want to do something that remains physical and challenging and keeps me fit and flexible. And hey ... if that actually is my "mid life crisis coping mechanism", f-ck it, I could be doing a lot worse than hard, challenging physical activity. So sit and spin buddy.

I've never said standing up and fighting is sensible, it's demonstrably not. What I think is that fights on the street are generally not one on one, or in my experience are not. Being on the ground is not a safe place, particularly if you're the only one down there and there's more than one person around and involved. It's pretty logical. I've a small bit of fighting experience, and I don't fancy getting any more. I don't really fancy getting in another discussion about it here, because I don't really care.

On the other thread you said you wanted to learn BJJ so you'd be better in a fight, which is it? Nothing wrong with physical activity, I'm a fan of it myself, but how you explained it, and then your age, I just put 2 and 2 together

Anyway, they're two cheap throw away jokes. Don't overthink them.

Thread title needs to be changed. It's not a "fight" if you don't actually fight back. Particularly if you're a hulking beast of a man, and the bloke whomping you is a diminutive little chap.

I suggest renaming it to "EMASCULATION! EMASCULATION! EMASCULATION!" but I'm open to other suggestions from the bored faithful.

Bullettyme wrote:

Mog The Almighty wrote: No fighting is safe. But if you think it's safer to stand up and bang than you're either a moron or have no idea what you're talking about. I'm assuming a mix of both.

Mid-life crisis coping mechanisms. Nice little dig there you prick. It's not a mid-life crisis coping mechanism. It's simply that I'm giving up rugby and want to do something that remains physical and challenging and keeps me fit and flexible. And hey ... if that actually is my "mid life crisis coping mechanism", f-ck it, I could be doing a lot worse than hard, challenging physical activity. So sit and spin buddy.

I've never said standing up and fighting is sensible, it's demonstrably not. What I think is that fights on the street are generally not one on one, or in my experience are not. Being on the ground is not a safe place, particularly if you're the only one down there and there's more than one person around and involved. It's pretty logical. I've a small bit of fighting experience, and I don't fancy getting any more. I don't really fancy getting in another discussion about it here, because I don't really care.

On the other thread you said you wanted to learn BJJ so you'd be better in a fight, which is it? Nothing wrong with physical activity, I'm a fan of it myself, but how you explained it, and then your age, I just put 2 and 2 together

Anyway, they're two cheap throw away jokes. Don't overthink them.

Dude that is just not what I said. I repeatedly gave the same reason as above with the bonus that, "if I could keep up the bjj and boxing for a few years it would probably be pretty handy if I ever found myself in a scrap". That's all and it all kicked off from there with a bunch of alleged fighting experts trying to argue that years of training and sparring in fighting won't help you in a fight. It was just retarded. Then when that BS got called out they went to this multiple attackers with weapons argument. And I've been consistently saying sure, against multiple armed psychos you're going to be fůcked up. With the only caveat that even then, fight training will still be better than no training. And also that really, most fights (Nakis is pretty typical) are not against multiple armed assailants unless you're part of the criminal underworld or something. Sure it can be in a mugging or whatever, but still it's one on one more often than not.

If you don't care fine. But don't talk shit and make it sound like Ive been saying shit I haven't. Reason from post #1 was a challenging replacement for rugby, fitness, etc.

Probably wires crossed as usually happens.

Important thing is that you're enjoying it though

The prat...rear ending you then going off like that. Glad you're ok ... youre probably thinking did that really happen, or was it a scene from a Taika Waititi movie. I'd report it to Police if I was you...prats like that could twist the whole incident. Were there any CCTV cameras nearby. Might be worth looking into. When you're rear ended, the other guy has little to no defence...yeah....book him!

I had a fight once where a guy charged up to fight me. I gave ground a few times, then tackled him. I did this because at the time I thought he had big hands and was bigger (fatter it turned out) and didn't want to make a mistake and get KOed. It was probably tactically wrong over all but felt right at the time. His friends quickly circled round. Luckily I wasn't alone my friends told them not to get involved. We rolled and in a few seconds I was in the mounted position. He pulls the jumper I am wearing over my head, and bites my arm on the bicep, through my jumper and wont let go. I am thinking that while a hole is going to suck, my head is still intact. Luckily he lets go after about 10 seconds of gnawing, I guess because I didn't react. His face close to mine, he is threatening me with everything. 'I am a trained UFC fighter, I better let go or else.' I say nothing at all. No ones moving till the cops arrive, that's all I know. The dude thrashes wildly twice to get away but I got him and feel more relaxed. 3rd time he thrashes I realise I have f**ked up and over balanced and we roll again. We end up in an even better position for me , I get his back, lying on my back and sink the choke. I don't apply any pressure on it at all, my elbow is under his chin, and I've got hooks on him and as a restraint position its magic. Cops turn up, and I let him go. He rushes straight to them and starts moaning about how I attacked him.
Luckily the wit kant fought with them a minute later and spat in one of their faces.

I wiped the floor with his lawyer in court.
£500 compensation for the bite

The way BJJ helps most in a fight is you are never stuck for a plan. Plans might not work, but you have them. It worked well for me.

He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

CrazyIslander wrote:He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

Was this before you joined the bored? Could be more useful evidence for the "concussions can cause severe brain injury later in life" research teams.

Has anyone ever seen a boxer* in a street fight? It's quite extraordinary to see actually.

An actual boxer, not a bloke who thinks he can box.

Uthikoloshe wrote:I had a fight once where a guy charged up to fight me. I gave ground a few times, then tackled him. I did this because at the time I thought he had big hands and was bigger (fatter it turned out) and didn't want to make a mistake and get KOed. It was probably tactically wrong over all but felt right at the time. His friends quickly circled round. Luckily I wasn't alone my friends told them not to get involved. We rolled and in a few seconds I was in the mounted position. He pulls the jumper I am wearing over my head, and bites my arm on the bicep, through my jumper and wont let go. I am thinking that while a hole is going to suck, my head is still intact. Luckily he lets go after about 10 seconds of gnawing, I guess because I didn't react. His face close to mine, he is threatening me with everything. 'I am a trained UFC fighter, I better let go or else.' I say nothing at all. No ones moving till the cops arrive, that's all I know. The dude thrashes wildly twice to get away but I got him and feel more relaxed. 3rd time he thrashes I realise I have f**ked up and over balanced and we roll again. We end up in an even better position for me , I get his back, lying on my back and sink the choke. I don't apply any pressure on it at all, my elbow is under his chin, and I've got hooks on him and as a restraint position its magic. Cops turn up, and I let him go. He rushes straight to them and starts moaning about how I attacked him.
Luckily the plum fought with them a minute later and spat in one of their faces.

I wiped the floor with his lawyer in court.
£500 compensation for the bite

The way BJJ helps most in a fight is you are never stuck for a plan. Plans might not work, but you have them. It worked well for me.

but, but, but ... chances of having a fight are very thin, "never" happens actually... so, how boring is it to train big time to get enough skills for something that will never happen ?

I mean, rugby is fun to play, i mean, it's a "game"... but kravmaga, or other stuff... seriously, where's the fun ? So, how to you get in a boring shit like that ? Isn't your job boring enough that you need to bore the shit of yourself after work ?

real question here.

Chips wrote:Has anyone ever seen a boxer* in a street fight? It's quite extraordinary to see actually.

An actual boxer, not a bloke who thinks he can box.

so tell us more now...

Demilich wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

Was this before you joined the bored? Could be more useful evidence for the "concussions can cause severe brain injury later in life" research teams.

That rules you out coz you first need a brain to qualify.

CrazyIslander wrote:He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

what happened after the 3rd time ?

jolindien wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

what happened after the 3rd time ?

I jumped the fence.


Nah . It got broken up.

CrazyIslander wrote:

jolindien wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

what happened after the 3rd time ?

I jumped the fence.


Nah . It got broken up.

ah. You mean someone switched off the playstation ?

If he was Singaporean, and you an expat, you would have been f**ked if you had touched him.

Singaporeans are untouchables there.

jolindien wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:

jolindien wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

what happened after the 3rd time ?

I jumped the fence.


Nah . It got broken up.

ah. You mean someone switched off the playstation ?

It felt like someone was pumping the punch button hard on the other controller.

Mog The Almighty wrote:That's also been discussed a lot. We all agree, if that's a possibility it's by far the best option.

It's all hypothetical man-talk anyway really. Let's hope that none of us are ever in a situation where any of this discussion becomes relevant.

I don't mind copping a beating but running? I am not sure I can anymore and i'd look incredibly silly doing it

jolindien wrote:

Chips wrote:Has anyone ever seen a boxer* in a street fight? It's quite extraordinary to see actually.

An actual boxer, not a bloke who thinks he can box.

so tell us more now...

You have to see it to believe it really but boxers are like supermen. The pissed up bloke wind milling towards the boxer literally won't get near to hitting the boxer. Their economy of movement is also seriously impressive, just footwork and head movement then if he he feels like it, the boxer can hit the non-boxer with just light jabs that will devastate him.

It certainly straightens the aggressor up sharpish.

swissguy wrote:If he was Singaporean, and you an expat, you would have been f**ked if you had touched him.

Singaporeans are untouchables there.

he actually touched him, with his shin and his hair. Is he in trouble ?

CrazyIslander wrote:

jolindien wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:

jolindien wrote:

CrazyIslander wrote:He kicked you in the shin, get over it. Last fight I had the bloke decked me 3 times and really gave me a hiding. No big deal, one day I'll king hit the cvnt.

what happened after the 3rd time ?

I jumped the fence.


Nah . It got broken up.

ah. You mean someone switched off the playstation ?

It felt like someone was pumping the punch button hard on the other controller.

and what was the subject of the fight ?

it could've been worse...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... D=ref_fark

Chips wrote:Has anyone ever seen a boxer* in a street fight? It's quite extraordinary to see actually.

An actual boxer, not a bloke who thinks he can box.

Yeah, when I was at high school there was this bloke who had been boxing since he was like 10. He did alright at amateur level, but didn't really take it any further. Saw him get in a few fights and they all went exactly the same - he'd wait for the other guy to swing first, step to the side and unload a 3 or 4 punch combo in their face. Fight over.

I haven't been in a proper fight in ages. I think the last one was in Melbourne when a group of guys on a Buck's Night stormed into my rugby team's favourite drinking hole and started shit. It was crazy. Dude's getting glassed etc. I remember the pub owner casually saying to me "Here Thommo, catch this and get stuck in..." and throwing a sawn off pool cue in my direction. Fark that noise.

I've always adopted the "batshit crazy" method of fighting. I learned in my teens that you don't have to throw a punch to win a fight. You just have to look like, if given the chance, you'll eat an ear or nose if it pops into your field of vision.

Thomas wrote:I haven't been in a proper fight in ages. I think the last one was in Melbourne when a group of guys on a Buck's Night stormed into my rugby team's favourite drinking hole and started shit. It was crazy. Dude's getting glassed etc. I remember the pub owner casually saying to me "Here Thommo, catch this and get stuck in..." and throwing a sawn off pool cue in my direction. Fark that noise.

I've always adopted the "batshit crazy" method of fighting. I learned in my teens that you don't have to throw a punch to win a fight. You just have to look like, if given the chance, you'll eat an ear or nose if it pops into your field of vision.

I don't think I've been in a proper fight since I was in my 20's. I can't fight for shit, but apparently I can take a punch pretty well. My Homer Simpson like ability to be punched and shrug it off has worked brilliantly a couple of times when I've been punched in the back of the head and then made the assailant back off by turning around and laughing at them - my thinking being that I wouldn't want to fight some nutter who did that to me.

Jay Cee Gee wrote:

Thomas wrote:I haven't been in a proper fight in ages. I think the last one was in Melbourne when a group of guys on a Buck's Night stormed into my rugby team's favourite drinking hole and started shit. It was crazy. Dude's getting glassed etc. I remember the pub owner casually saying to me "Here Thommo, catch this and get stuck in..." and throwing a sawn off pool cue in my direction. Fark that noise.

I've always adopted the "batshit crazy" method of fighting. I learned in my teens that you don't have to throw a punch to win a fight. You just have to look like, if given the chance, you'll eat an ear or nose if it pops into your field of vision.

I don't think I've been in a proper fight since I was in my 20's. I can't fight for shit, but apparently I can take a punch pretty well. My Homer Simpson like ability to be punched and shrug it off has worked brilliantly a couple of times when I've been punched in the back of the head and then made the assailant back off by turning around and laughing at them - my thinking being that I wouldn't want to fight some nutter who did that to me.

I've got a glass jaw/head/body so I can't take a punch.

The last set-to I was in I diffused by stripping to my underwear screaming "LET'S FARKEN GO! YEEEEUW. TIME TO DANCE MOTHERFUCKERS!" I found out that no one wants to fight a drunken bald dude in his undies. It worked for me. The guys backed off saying "Your mate is crazy, man. He's crazy..." to my buddies.

Always the short fucks too. Got into a scrap with some cretin at a petrol station about ten years ago. Guy was a midget, couldn't take him seriously. Felt like I was about to scrap with a stubbled faced toddler.

Next time it happens just shit on his face.

Thomas that method is called being poisonous. If you can't out muscle them, then make sure they dont fancy a bite even if they think they'll win.

True Blue wrote:Always the short fucks too. Got into a scrap with some cretin at a petrol station about ten years ago. Guy was a midget, couldn't take him seriously. Felt like I was about to scrap with a stubbled faced toddler.

Next time it happens just shit on his face.

A mate of mine got into a brawl with 4 midgets at a McDonalds about 10 years ago. He was stoned out of his mind and must have said something to them and they all took offence. Reckons it was like something out of a movie. He's 6'7 so had them crawling on him like little foul-mouthed parasites.

Chips wrote:

jolindien wrote:

Chips wrote:Has anyone ever seen a boxer* in a street fight? It's quite extraordinary to see actually.

An actual boxer, not a bloke who thinks he can box.

so tell us more now...

You have to see it to believe it really but boxers are like supermen. The pissed up bloke wind milling towards the boxer literally won't get near to hitting the boxer. Their economy of movement is also seriously impressive, just footwork and head movement then if he he feels like it, the boxer can hit the non-boxer with just light jabs that will devastate him.

It certainly straightens the aggressor up sharpish.

I have seen a very good boxer do that to 3-4 drunks at a pub in Nelson on New Year's eve.

How many BJJ guys have actually trained on concrete /asphalt etc? Ground fighting on a mat is completely different. Throw in someone who can gouge eyes, bite, grab ya balls etc and its not BJJ now, add a weapon ie rock, bottle, knife, stick and its another level again.

Still if someone is fronting up and you give clear verbal and physical instructions that they should not come closer and you do this twice and back away there is no third time you have a reasonable right to flatten them. I would suggest that knocking them to the ground so that their head doesn't hit first is a good idea. You want to hurt him not necessarily kill him.

kiwinoz wrote:How many BJJ guys have actually trained on concrete /asphalt etc? Ground fighting on a mat is completely different. Throw in someone who can gouge eyes, bite, grab ya balls etc and its not BJJ now, add a weapon ie rock, bottle, knife, stick and its another level again.
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This is why I train in gunfighting and knife-boxing.

kiwinoz wrote:How many BJJ guys have actually trained on concrete /asphalt etc? Ground fighting on a mat is completely different. Throw in someone who can gouge eyes, bite, grab ya balls etc and its not BJJ now, add a weapon ie rock, bottle, knife, stick and its another level again.

Still if someone is fronting up and you give clear verbal and physical instructions that they should not come closer and you do this twice and back away there is no third time you have a reasonable right to flatten them. I would suggest that knocking them to the ground so that their head doesn't hit first is a good idea. You want to hurt him not necessarily kill him.

Life isn't a Bruce Lee movie mate.

Bullettyme wrote:

naki wrote:
Not looking forward to going over the CCTV footage. I’m guessing the fake-out shin kick is going to be so telegraphed they’re going to ask why I didn’t block it

CCTV footage is never good, because no matter how good you think things went in your head, it looks ridiculous on CCTV.

Some twat hit me with a bottle in a pub years ago (and his scumbag mate stabbed me soon after), I thought I put up a half decent defence. After viewing the CCTV I was sadly very wrong.

Jaysus, sounds like Tramco in the good old days.

kiwinoz wrote:How many BJJ guys have actually trained on concrete /asphalt etc? Ground fighting on a mat is completely different. Throw in someone who can gouge eyes, bite, grab ya balls etc and its not BJJ now, add a weapon ie rock, bottle, knife, stick and its another level again.
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Concrete and asphalt? Makes no difference. Its like shagging on the carpet, you only notice your knees are f**ked when you jump in the shower the next day.

Kiwias wrote:

Chips wrote:

jolindien wrote:

Chips wrote:Has anyone ever seen a boxer* in a street fight? It's quite extraordinary to see actually.

An actual boxer, not a bloke who thinks he can box.

so tell us more now...

You have to see it to believe it really but boxers are like supermen. The pissed up bloke wind milling towards the boxer literally won't get near to hitting the boxer. Their economy of movement is also seriously impressive, just footwork and head movement then if he he feels like it, the boxer can hit the non-boxer with just light jabs that will devastate him.

It certainly straightens the aggressor up sharpish.

I have seen a very good boxer do that to 3-4 drunks at a pub in Nelson on New Year's eve.

Yes, boxing is very under-rated when it comes to being a street-fight imo. Not because I'm a good boxer (although I do take beginner classes and spar). As I've been saying all along, any combat sport that actually involves real, hard sparring is going to be useful if you're good at it.

Uthikoloshe wrote:

kiwinoz wrote:How many BJJ guys have actually trained on concrete /asphalt etc? Ground fighting on a mat is completely different. Throw in someone who can gouge eyes, bite, grab ya balls etc and its not BJJ now, add a weapon ie rock, bottle, knife, stick and its another level again.
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Concrete and asphalt? Makes no difference. Its like shagging on the carpet, you only notice your knees are f**ked when you jump in the shower the next day.

Yes, this. Although tbh I sure as shit notice the rash building up on my titties and under my arms and between my thighs. Time to invest in a rash vest and tights under the gi. But yes, it's not as if you're going to be worrying about a rash if you're forced to defend yourself in the street.

As for the rest of it (biting, gouging, etc.) - that's irrelevant. Are those things going to be a non-issue if you haven't trained in BJJ? Of course not. Look, nobody wants to be in a fight, and nobody thinks that boxing or BJJ or wrestling or anything else is some magic bullet that's going to ensure you win and keep you safe. Just that if it comes to the crunch, whatever the circumstances, you're better off with it than without it.

So had to report it in person to the police, went smoother than expected. Apparently cctv definitely in the area but I will likely never see the footage unless it goes any further.

Grass.

Uthikoloshe wrote:Grass.

could do with with some to calm these nerves, thanks mate